So I've been flirting with an idea to install additional foglights to either the lower bumper area or the line where bonnet meets bumper.
The inspiration for this are some interesting YouTube builds I've seen for Porsche 911s executed in a safari/road rally flavour.
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Anyone seen this done on a MR2 before?
Is this a dumb idea?
Any suggestions as to how I can go about this would be welcome, if possible without cutting or drilling directly into the bodywork.
ala Alpine A110
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@SuperArt Maybe doable with some clever folding to get a piece of flat steel to the steelwork around the top the radiator or to the underside of the bonnet. The shorter length of material the better, to avoid vibration, you would likely be limited to 3mm thick material to get through the shut line.
Maybe have a go at some Origami using a thick card to get some idea of form required.
Is it legal to have externally fitted fogs these days because of the mess they could make if hitting a pedestrian ?
Quote from: TheTigerUK on March 2, 2022, 18:44Is it legal to have externally fitted fogs these days because of the mess they could make if hitting a pedestrian ?
Good point no idea. This is why I'm bouncing the idea off you guys.
Quote from: SuperArt on March 2, 2022, 15:18So I've been flirting with an idea to install additional foglights to either the lower bumper area or the line where bonnet meets bumper.
The inspiration for this are some interesting YouTube builds I've seen for Porsche 911s executed in a safari/road rally flavour.
984526E5-F947-4DE2-944A-790E8A99EB55.jpeg
6870B97C-5568-4FCC-A01F-ECAAAFB098D9.jpeg
Anyone seen this done on a MR2 before?
Is this a dumb idea?
Any suggestions as to how I can go about this would be welcome, if possible without cutting or drilling directly into the bodywork.
It's a dumb idea on something that YOU always wanted to be pure TTE.
I pondered this one for a while. I found that classic 911s used Cibie Pallas spotlamps. These aren't made anymore but you can get reproductions for about £800 a pair. A modern alternative are Cibie Oscars these don't have such a domed back but are a lot cheaper and available in LED.
If you don't want to bolt through the bonnet you'd have to make a bracket to fit around the front of the bonnet.
Quote from: Joesson on March 2, 2022, 16:18@SuperArt
Maybe doable with some clever folding to get a piece of flat steel to the steelwork around the top the radiator or to the underside of the bonnet. The shorter length of material the better, to avoid vibration, you would likely be limited to 3mm thick material to get through the shut line.
Maybe have a go at some Origami using a thick card to get some idea of form required.
I like that. I think the 3mm bracket might do the trick. The problem is routing the wiring through that same gap.
I've just received some more homework to do!
Quote from: steveash on March 2, 2022, 20:41...Cibie Pallas spotlamps. These aren't made anymore but you can get reproductions for about £800 a pair. A modern alternative are Cibie Oscars these don't have such a domed back but are a lot cheaper and available in LED.
Great tip. I really only need the external housing as I have something quite rare and interesting to put inside. Will try my luck on eBay while figuring out that bracket idea which both you and Tony suggested.
Good stuff!
Have a look for ´rally light pod´.
Though an administrative PITA over here, they cán be added to the registration papers and as such be made road legal.
Just buy a second bonnet and mod thát one.
I'm not sure what to think ?
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Eye of the beholder...
I like it but the normal lights need a good restoration to match them.
In a similar vein I would like to fit some running lights into the rectangles in my PFL front bumper at some time, when I get some time I am going to look into it but I am quite surprised some clever guys have not already done something and a lot better than I can imagine.
Quote from: TheTigerUK on April 30, 2022, 21:54In a similar vein I would like to fit some running lights into the rectangles in my PFL front bumper at some time, when I get some time I am going to look into it but I am quite surprised some clever guys have not already done something and a lot better than I can imagine.
It's quite a straightforward fit if you get the same lights the majority of people have used, bracket straight in, just need to tap a couple of wires into a standard relay.
There's a lot of information on it on here if you do a few searches.👍🏻
Quote from: TheTigerUK on April 30, 2022, 21:54In a similar vein I would like to fit some running lights into the rectangles in my PFL front bumper at some time, when I get some time I am going to look into it but I am quite surprised some clever guys have not already done something and a lot better than I can imagine.
I had to move my pfl yesterday, I was driving a Fl in front + could see the PFL behind me (another person driving that, if this seems like gobledegook)
The pfl looked bloomin' superb with its blue paintwork, orange mirrors and quite low down DRL(https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ring-Automotive-BRL0397-Daytime-Running/dp/B002PIL8RO) mounted in the grille area
@GiblaThey look the part, but why does the Amazon Technical info refer to:
2 Lithium ion batteries required. (included)?
@Joesson that's baffling, as they are simply wired into the car without the need for any Lithium ion batteries so I suspect Amazon is talking out of its backside here ;D
Will definitely get these installed onto the 3rd car ..to complete the full set
Hugely distinctive and very noticeable on a busy Motorway
@Gibla That's what I would have thought, as you say baffling. I guess that saying the (unnecessary) batteries are included is better than the normal (necessary ) batteries Not included!
Quote from: JohnGee on April 29, 2022, 17:00Eye of the beholder...
The eyes of the beholder ;) They look like a set of eyes no?!
I think it looks sort of cool actually.
Quote from: TheTigerUK on April 30, 2022, 21:54In a similar vein I would like to fit some running lights into the rectangles in my PFL front bumper at some time, when I get some time I am going to look into it but I am quite surprised some clever guys have not already done something and a lot better than I can imagine.
I bought a set of LED pods for the purpose but found that they are a big fat headache to get approved here. Nigh impossible. You´d expect something sáfer to be welcomed but no.
Do have a look into the UK regulations about it to avoid a PITA or surprise at the next MoT.
Quote from: SuperArt on March 2, 2022, 15:18So I've been flirting with an idea to install additional foglights to either the lower bumper area or the line where bonnet meets bumper.
Any suggestions as to how I can go about this would be welcome, if possible without cutting or drilling directly into the bodywork.
Remembered a very nice looking compact one from Hella which mount without the usual ugly bent tin fittings: HELLA 1F3 009 094-021 - Luminator Compact and there are also quite nice looking caps availeble.
Since I have a spare bonnet for MoT anyway, might actually have a look at it.
Btw. why not make it H4 normal ones? That would double up the dipped beam too.
This classic bullet shape should fit nicely:
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Quote from: 1979scotte on March 2, 2022, 20:32It's a dumb idea on something that YOU always wanted to be pure TTE.
@1979scotte There are TTE ones...
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Meanwhile kinda curious what
@SuperArt has thought of. His sourcing skills are impressive remember.
Been measuring and trial ´fitting´ round stuffs of various diameters.
The main conclusion is that you want it as low as possible. So none too large diameter and as low as possible fixture. The Cibié Pallas is what you want really and is surprises me that none of the available is likewise. Reverse the fitting, moving the lamp unit forward in effect also lowers it.
These 55W H3 micro ones should do it:
(https://i.ibb.co/fMcQzc4/MR2Lamp2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fMcQzc4)
They come with the traditional U-bracket but since they are so smaal and light, I think they could be mounted with a bolt from below with the plastic straight on the sheet metal of the bonnet.
They come with caps even!
(https://i.ibb.co/SBJJ9f1/MR2Lamp1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SBJJ9f1)
I think I am going to press and play... I sure have the gumption ( thanks
@Ardent ) to drill in the metal.
Done it. For 37,43 Euros with éverything included, it is worth a try. Should be here to play next weekend.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81TM3eTsFcL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
All I now need is a TRD logo/decal over the Ring branding....
Anyone remember this one??
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Ignoring the front it has a vague similarity to the Ford RS200, probably v similar era
Quote from: Gibla on May 4, 2022, 20:20Ignoring the front it has a vague similarity to the Ford RS200, probably v similar era
It is the MR2 8) 222D prototype for the Group S which never came to be.
There are 3 still about; 2 black, 1 white:
(https://images.cdn.circlesix.co/image/1/700/0/uploads/posts/2017/08/e688dcea2b1f7f99adc92d0c054426b5.jpg)
750kg + ~700bhp 8)
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/wboqgok/
Quote from: Gibla on May 4, 2022, 22:07750kg + ~700bhp 8)
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/wboqgok/
It's amazing the difference a pair of spot lamps can make. ;D
Quote from: steveash on May 5, 2022, 09:50It's amazing the difference a pair of spot lamps can make. ;D
In this case they make it look like a "proper" rally car, although they usually have an array of such.
Not so popular today on street cars as they were in my youth (some time ago) when a couple of lamps were sure to make your car go faster.
Quote from: Joesson on May 5, 2022, 10:03In this case they make it look like a "proper" rally car, although they usually have an array of such.
Not so popular today on street cars as they were in my youth (some time ago) when a couple of lamps were sure to make your car go faster.
In the case of our cabrio, they actually do allow you to go faster ;) ;D
The lighting of the ZZW30 is not the most hallowed aspect of the car :P
That observed, I pérsonally have no issue with it since I fitted Osram Nightbreakers.
So for mé it would indeed be the nostalgic rally look O:-)
Hence plastic covers are a must 8)
They should be at the petrol station today/tomorrow. Will then measure the size of the TRD sticker needed :))
Seriously, will first test mount with double sided tape.
Also have several possible solutions to mount them on the bonnet without the U-brackets raising the thing a few cms. up. Maybe even hug it clóser. Could make the world of difference. Remember I already have the bonnet and front bumper shirt in satin black.
(https://i.ibb.co/8bwzhQb/MR2-Maart22-Hello-Kitty.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8bwzhQb)
If I don´t like them I will fit them to Esmeralda >:D
Meanwhile wondering what
@SuperArt is up to.
Well, not half bad and really nicely compact. They come as fog lights too, so depending on how mounting them ´hugged´ goes, may even order those too!
(https://i.ibb.co/8ssDqX4/MR2Spot1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8ssDqX4)
(https://i.ibb.co/vq2NG71/MR2Spot4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vq2NG71)
(https://i.ibb.co/GFFgLBM/MR2Spot2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GFFgLBM)
(https://i.ibb.co/0Vpj1K7/MR2Spot3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Vpj1K7)
Lightened them ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/BGThTV0/MR2Spot5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BGThTV0)
Quote from: Petrus on May 6, 2022, 09:12Well, not half bad and really nicely compact. They come as fog lights too, so depending on how mounting them ´hugged´ goes, may even order those too!
(https://i.ibb.co/8ssDqX4/MR2Spot1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8ssDqX4)
(https://i.ibb.co/vq2NG71/MR2Spot4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vq2NG71)
(https://i.ibb.co/GFFgLBM/MR2Spot2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GFFgLBM)
(https://i.ibb.co/0Vpj1K7/MR2Spot3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Vpj1K7)
I had the exact same ones on my 1986 Vauxhall Cavalier! A very much thing done in the 90s. As you say, you could get them in spot or fog, and also in round or oblong.
I had round spots above the bumper, and the oblong fogs below the bumper.
Quote from: tricky1138 on May 11, 2022, 18:13I had the exact same ones on my 1986 Vauxhall Cavalier! A very much thing done in the 90s. As you say, you could get them in spot or fog, and also in round or oblong.
I had round spots above the bumper, and the oblong fogs below the bumper.
As the Roadster is pretty much a child of the nineties: The first public appearance of a prototype was in ´97 8)
Because of the sleek lines, I think the lamps should be as sleek as possible, like the Cibié Pallas, on the bonnet.
Anyway, depénding... But I then will go for a matching round set in the mouth of the frog ;)
Going back to the opening post:
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(http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads11/Marchal11186346260.jpg)
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Quote from: Petrus on May 11, 2022, 19:11(http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads11/monte69kr61186351677.jpg)
Just to mention that in the photograph of the Porsche Rally Teams car park I can see examples of two cars that I once owned!
Quote from: Joesson on May 11, 2022, 19:48Just to mention that in the photograph of the Porsche Rally Teams car park I can see examples of two cars that I once owned!
Beetle and Type 3?
Some more, different VW
(https://www.early911sregistry.org/forums/attachment.php?s=06ad17c3968f56fc365dc58b91349c0b&attachmentid=385371&d=1467746946)
Quote from: Petrus on May 11, 2022, 20:18Beetle and Type 3?
Half correct, one was the oval window '56 Beetle the other the Fiat 1500.
Off topic I know but- the Fiat 1500 was one car I had a handbrake problem with.
Mrs J was in the back of the car with our two very young ones. I stopped the car on a slightly inclined country road to attend to a call of nature. As I started, I looked up to see the car slowly rolling down the road, Mrs J a non driver at the time, reached over and pulled up hard on the hand brake!
Quite a large and gentlemanly car when new. We had a dark maroon one in the street and we thought it áwesome.
As we are off topic anyway; not doing anything with the lamps now. Some more farm things, extra hay bale in the paddock and óff to the beach for stripeless vitamin D, tarta de atun for lunch and then some more bum burning 8)
Quote from: Petrus on May 2, 2022, 21:39Meanwhile kinda curious what @SuperArt has thought of. His sourcing skills are impressive remember.
Nothing.
Unfortunately (or fortunately) at a pivotal moment in my career and having to choose between having a life or working my derrière off.
Time will tell but I think I have chosen poorly.
I already have the TRD rainbow foglights, just want an enclosure which looks the part.
This is my most divisive/controversial post, seems like it's not an instantly beloved idea to fit safari lights, totally out of character for me too I must profess. I'm glad it least it is not completely an unsavoury idea and am buoyed that some of you are keen.
Very partial to the silver MR-S with bonnet foglights, also all the examples Petrus posted.
@Petrus you've rather spurred me into action. Will be starting to look into this with more vigor once I can catch a break.
Quote from: MRSwede on April 29, 2022, 16:56I'm not sure what to think ?
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Love it or loathe it, this is exactly what I am going for.
I personally am in love with this look. Will see if I can't mock up some cardboard "brackets" on the weekend to avoid drilling into any body panels.
Quote from: SuperArt on May 12, 2022, 21:49to avoid drilling into any body panels.
You can mock up using double sided adhesive tape.
Drilling in the bonnet is by fár the easiest fitting and not a biggy. I already have a spare bonnet and in the UK they are quite easily/cheaply sourced.
One tip/hint: Try use lamps that sit as low on the fittings as possible. It will reduce their standing out like the proverbial thumb.
Custom motorcycle after market has surprising options!
Your using TRD lamp units will keep it in your chosen style 8)
(https://www.spyderchat.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.spyderchat.com/attachments/trd-light-jpg.87746/)
I incorporated mine behind the front grille
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Quote from: TheTigerUK on May 13, 2022, 08:27I had a 1954 Beetle :)
My first car was a ´72 1302 S with quite pokey 1600 cc engine in orange/red.
Much later bought the charming company a Type 34 Karmann in ivory white.
In retrospect two very, véry nice and incredibly well sorted cars with basically all modern tech you imo need.
The fuel no-economy was basically the only downside.
Quote from: Peter Wright on May 13, 2022, 07:54I incorporated mine behind the front grille
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Neatly hidden! Like the LEDs in the air intakes too. I want the IN YOUR FÁCE! rally look though :-[
And do I see chróme mirrors?
Quote from: Petrus on May 13, 2022, 10:21Neatly hidden! Like the LEDs in the air intakes too. I want the IN YOUR FÁCE! rally look though :-[
And do I see chróme mirrors?
Correct Peter was a founder member here and his car inspired my search for some
Quote from: Bernie on May 13, 2022, 11:34Correct Peter was a founder member here and his car inspired my search for some
I think those look horribly conspicuous with those nicely hidden spots. Now on mý car ... O:-)
Hóped to get to drilling the holes in the bonnet today (the wires will be hidden) but other distractions prevail ::)
Quote from: Petrus on May 13, 2022, 10:21Neatly hidden! Like the LEDs in the air intakes too. I want the IN YOUR FÁCE! rally look though :-[
And do I see chróme mirrors?
Yes and the chrome windscreen surround
I have got to stop reading the forums, I now want, no, need spots behind the front grille and LEDs in the air intakes !! :)
Additional lights and chrome mirrors 1966 version.
(https://i.ibb.co/q59QfRL/994-B199-F-D824-4-B39-81-D8-121239-EFDCFF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q59QfRL)
Quote from: Joesson on May 14, 2022, 15:36Additional lights and chrome mirrors 1966 version.
(https://i.ibb.co/q59QfRL/994-B199-F-D824-4-B39-81-D8-121239-EFDCFF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q59QfRL)
Ahhh, the Imp 8) Thanks for sharing!!! Long time since I have seen one of those. Nóne about here in the south, NONE. Spanish plebs were only júst starting to get mobile on four wheels with the Seat 600 and as classics they have no fame whatsoever outside of the anglo-saxon world.
Nice engine btw. They even found use in motorcycle racing sidecars.
Nayway, it all goes to underline that spots/foggies on an MR2 are not thát weird. It is after all a nineties product and the FL has them integrated so if anything it is odd that bar exceptions none are fitted to the PFL.
@Petrus said:
Nice engine btw. They even found use in motorcycle racing It was a very lightweight engine, just as well for me as I took it out (with my bare hands, and those of a friend ) to replace the clutch, and then again to replace the clutch and flywheel with larger diameter as it became knowledge that these were undersized for the power, as were the Metalastik bushes.
Quote from: Joesson on May 14, 2022, 18:36@Petrus said:
Nice engine btw. They even found use in motorcycle racing
It was a very lightweight engine, just as well for me as I took it out (with my bare hands, and those of a friend ) to replace the clutch, and then again to replace the clutch and flywheel with larger diameter as it became knowledge that these were undersized for the power, as were the Metalastik bushes.
I helped my brother in law take his out when I had to helicoil two of his spark plug threads many years ago.
Test fitting.
They will bolt from inside the lamp onto the bonnet. The wires too will go inside.
Adjustment by rubber shim.
Still faffing about placement. They look a bit too far forward but further in they also get higher.
Tbh none too keen on the look. Think they´d look less out of place/ spoiling the bonnet line in the ´mouth´.
(https://i.ibb.co/zxqWVDX/MR2Spot9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zxqWVDX)
(https://i.ibb.co/pZvpfvs/MR2Spot7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pZvpfvs)
(https://i.ibb.co/jHDbPd0/MR2Spot8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jHDbPd0)
Note to
@SuperArt make triple sure you pre-fit and test-fit. Use double sided tape and step back.
In mý opinion (plus those of gfs and #1 son) it looks AWFUL on the bonnet. It jars with the elegant line.
Next trying the grill but in front of it. I dó like the rally-esque look.
Quote from: Petrus on May 16, 2022, 12:17Still faffing about placement. They look a bit too far forward but further in they also get higher.
I thought you would have put them on the bumper rather than the bonnet. Or too far forward?
Quote from: fawtytoo on May 16, 2022, 15:13I thought you would have put them on the bumper rather than the bonnet. Or too far forward?
The stárt was bonnet mount.
On the bumper skirt looks totally out of place; way worse than bonnet mount.
Imo mounting will have to be inside the intake opening. The lamps are nicely compact and I have already re-glued the base I cut off. Will still mount them from the inside through an 8 mm hole drilled in the bottom. The wires now through the back through the grill mesh.
Will Q&D test fit tomorrow but then there is a week´s delay at least.
Quote from: TheTigerUK on May 13, 2022, 20:15I have got to stop reading the forums, I now want, no, need spots behind the front grille and LEDs in the air intakes !! :)
re LED in the air intakes https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310844272609 < tested by another forum member (lost the link now) and guaranteed to fit
Quote from: Gibla on May 16, 2022, 17:14Quote from: TheTigerUK on May 13, 2022, 20:15I have got to stop reading the forums, I now want, no, need spots behind the front grille and LEDs in the air intakes !! :)
re LED in the air intakes https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310844272609 < tested by another forum member (lost the link now) and guaranteed to fit
Referred to as air intakes but for what purpose?
They are perhaps in a position where they could be ducted on to the brake discs, except they are not. So, my thinking is that may or may not have been an option that was not pursued or more likely a cosmetic function only.
Nevertheless it does provide a suitable niche for the DRL's.
Test fitted the micro ones in the grill opening and they fit/look just right.
Even the caps stay flush with the license plate.
Have fitted the switch in one of the spare blank switch inserts in the dash. Looks neat imo.
The two together stay under 300 grams in all btw.
First preparing to pass periodic inspection though and find out whether I can get the spots homologated in the papers befóre fitting them.