190 celica engine

Anonymous · March 9, 2006, 13:56

I know this may have come up before, but I want to know what difference there would be between the TTE turbo kit and swapping the engine with the 190bhp celica version?
Would the performane figs be simialr to the turbo kit? And what sort of price is a 190 engine.
Has anyone done an engine swap s:?: :?: s:?:

kanujunkie · March 9, 2006, 14:12

loads of people have done the swap, more on SC though, try doing a search for 2ZZ-FE OR 2ZZ.

markiii · March 9, 2006, 14:32

power will be about teh same

torque on the TTE Turbo willbe way better

Anonymous · March 9, 2006, 20:02

Can you also get a turbo conversion for the 2ZZ-FE engine ? I had a 190 and they are quick anyway.

aaronjb · March 9, 2006, 20:16

There's no off-the-shelf conversion that fits the Roadster that I know of, but it has been done ( m http://www.spyderchat.com m has more details).

Anonymous · March 9, 2006, 20:19

I'll go browsing, thanks. I was just being lazy he he he

QuoteThere's no off-the-shelf conversion that fits the Roadster that I know of, but it has been done ( m http://www.spyderchat.com m has more details).

Tem · March 10, 2006, 05:24

Quote from: "projectneon"2ZZ-FE

There is no 2ZZ-FE. It's 2ZZ-GE.

(might seem like a small difference, but F&G tell a lot to those who know)

kanujunkie · March 10, 2006, 06:37

Quote from: "Tem"
Quote from: "projectneon"2ZZ-FE

There is no 2ZZ-FE. It's 2ZZ-GE.

(might seem like a small difference, but F&G tell a lot to those who know)

sorry thats my fault on a typo above s:oops: :oops: s:oops: i hit f and not g s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

Tem · March 10, 2006, 06:52

Quote from: "kanujunkie"
Quote from: "Tem"
Quote from: "projectneon"2ZZ-FE

There is no 2ZZ-FE. It's 2ZZ-GE.

(might seem like a small difference, but F&G tell a lot to those who know)

sorry thats my fault on a typo above s:oops: :oops: s:oops: i hit f and not g s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

Somehow I didn't even see it in your post, must've learned to read through your typos s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

dreambackup · March 10, 2006, 08:11

ask Dieamond about the 2ZZ swap s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

I rode the beast and it's a matter of choice. I personnally would go turbo but the noise and the push of that engine feeling like a 1ZZ gone crazy (the same as a well tuned 1ZZ before around 6500 rpms and then... s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: ).

all I can tell is that it's the good amount of power for a chassis prepared MR-S s8)

s8) (forget it with a stock car s:lol: :lol: s:lol: )

Anonymous · March 11, 2006, 02:54

Quote from: "dreambackup"all I can tell is that it's the good amount of power for a chassis prepared MR-S s8) s8) (forget it with a stock car s:lol: :lol: s:lol: )

Damn, now i'm going ot have to spend more money.... s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

Best Motoring did a touge run (like a track based motokhana) with the 2ZZ and a Toms Turbo-ed MR2. The 2ZZ was a good 0.4-0.5 seconds faster. It wasn't quite a fair test, since the cars had differing suspension setups etc, but the drivers comments was that the 2ZZ was faster compared to the Toms MR2, both around corners, and in straightline acceleration.

Plus there's the advantage thaht you can turbo a 2ZZGE with a baseline of 140kw, compared to turbo a 1ZZFE with a baseline of 100kw, you will get more from the 2ZZ.

Tem · March 11, 2006, 13:51

Quote from: "Tiang"Best Motoring did a touge run (like a track based motokhana) with the 2ZZ and a Toms Turbo-ed MR2. The 2ZZ was a good 0.4-0.5 seconds faster. It wasn't quite a fair test, since the cars had differing suspension setups etc, but the drivers comments was that the 2ZZ was faster compared to the Toms MR2, both around corners, and in straightline acceleration.

Those are fun to look at, but I wouldn't take them as any sort of engine comparisons. It's all about handling the corners.

QuotePlus there's the advantage thaht you can turbo a 2ZZGE with a baseline of 140kw, compared to turbo a 1ZZFE with a baseline of 100kw, you will get more from the 2ZZ.

If you're considering turbo, I really don't see the point of going 2ZZ first. The stock 1ZZ seems to be good enough for some 300hp, which is already massive power for such a light car. And if you spend the cost of 2ZZ swap into building a 1ZZ, you can get wicked power out of it.

dreambackup · March 12, 2006, 13:56

I agree: save the 2ZZ sway money to improve your 1ZZ internals (even if a couple of 2ZZ turbo run in the US).

I'd say anything above 250hp on a Spyder is too much. after that, the changes to be made (chassis braces, suspensions, brakes, etc, etc...) just aren't cost effective. it'd be better to start with something else (maybe a Speedster turbo).

in any way, this would be a track car, no more a daily driver.

LeeUK · March 13, 2006, 09:47

For a road car, a turbo will be faster and more cost effective. For track car when you want to hit the power band instantly exiting the corner (or mid-corner s:lol: :lol: s:lol: ) a 2zz would be better.

Tem · March 13, 2006, 10:06

Quote from: "LeeUK"For track car when you want to hit the power band instantly exiting the corner (or mid-corner s:lol: :lol: s:lol: ) a 2zz would be better.

Are you sure? I thought so myself too...

But now that I have a turbo, it has virtually no lag. It just starts to go when you floor the throttle, pretty much like N/A engine, just with a lot more power. I found it very easy to control, just like it was pre-turbo, except now I can't just floor it all the time like I could with 140hp.

Of course I don't exit corners at 1500rpm on a track, if I'm trying to go fast. s;)

s;) Then it would take some time to make boost.

LeeUK · March 13, 2006, 22:04

I agree, I'm just comparing it to markiii and his hass kit on saturday at Anglesey as me and kanujunkie were as quick (thats when stu managed to stay on the track s:lol: :lol: s:lol: ), I'd still say the 2zz may have the edge but depending on the boost of the turbo and how well the turbo is tuned. My C2 power kit is on the way so I'll be able to coment myself!

Shame I don't have a 2zz to compare it with! s:(

s:(

Tem · March 14, 2006, 05:53

Quote from: "LeeUK"I agree, I'm just comparing it to markiii and his hass kit on saturday at Anglesey as me and kanujunkie were as quick (thats when stu managed to stay on the track s:lol: :lol: s:lol: ), I'd still say the 2zz may have the edge but depending on the boost of the turbo and how well the turbo is tuned.

You're right, some systems have more lag than others. Just sounded like you were saying all turbos are like that. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

Didn't the Hass have just a basic log manifold? I recall seeing some pics of it ages ago, no idea if they changed it though..

aaronjb · March 14, 2006, 08:48

Quote from: "Tem"Didn't the Hass have just a basic log manifold? I recall seeing some pics of it ages ago, no idea if they changed it though..

It still is..

One thing to remember, though, is that on track 90% of your times are down to driver skill - that's not to say that Mark et al aren't good drivers, but Lee is quite insane behind the wheel s;)

s;)

I'd take his ability to keep up as being more to do with his driving than outright power or lag, really - just look at the pics of Lee in Events, as he practically has the car on three wheels.. now that's commitment s;)

s;)

kanujunkie · March 14, 2006, 08:53

Quote from: "aaronjb"but Lee is quite insane behind the wheel s;) s;)

but still passable s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

philster_d · March 14, 2006, 15:17

s:P

LeeUK · March 14, 2006, 16:45

My only excuse it that when turning the "2" into a 3 wheeler it does scrub off some speed exiting the corner s:lol: :lol: s:lol: .

You can always catch Stu at the next corner as he is the one going backwards through the gravel, and Phil's usually in the pits for a telling off! s:P

s:P

kanujunkie · March 14, 2006, 17:07

Quote from: "LeeUK"You can always catch Stu at the next corner as he is the one going backwards through the gravel, and Phil's usually in the pits for a telling off! s:P s:P

GIT!

guess i should back off on the throttle sometimes s:? :? s:? and also respect cold tyres s:? :? s:?

philster_d · March 14, 2006, 18:19

s:P

Anonymous · March 14, 2006, 18:21

Quote from: "kanujunkie"guess i should back off on the throttle sometimes s:? :? s:? and also respect cold tyres s:? :? s:?

Please don't Stu: Some of the best fun I had all day was sitting as a passenger in your car when you kept spinning! 360's are great fun when you're not driving and it's not your car! s:D

s:D s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

kanujunkie · March 15, 2006, 06:36

Quote from: "Ekona"
Quote from: "kanujunkie"guess i should back off on the throttle sometimes s:? :? s:? and also respect cold tyres s:? :? s:?

Please don't Stu: Some of the best fun I had all day was sitting as a passenger in your car when you kept spinning! 360's are great fun when you're not driving and it's not your car! s:D s:D s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

i dont remember spinning at all with you in the car, must be the extra weight that helped s:wink: :wink: s:wink: