Suspension upgrade for road use

[jvanzyl]

Ah right- missed the generic pic bit..

[Ars1e]

Spotted this... https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/car-brands/spare-parts-toyota/yaris-scp9-nsp9-ksp9-ncp9-zsp9/19256/10671/steering-links-control-arm-trailing-link-diagonal-arm.html

[shnazzle]

Spotted this... https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/car-brands/spare-parts-toyota/yaris-scp9-nsp9-ksp9-ncp9-zsp9/19256/10671/steering-links-control-arm-trailing-link-diagonal-arm.html

Another good source of cheap parts. Cheers


Still not sure about the cheapies I have in the garage and whether to bother fitting them

[toyoda]

I would like to ask advice and for your opinions:- I want to improve the dampers (shocks) but don't fancy lowering that much, the choices are not great for the MR2, I like the KONI's with standard springs or maybe some stiffer but not that lower (I know someone that may be able to do these) but what puts me off is the fitting of them in the old rusty damper bodies, I would have to wire brush and paint or send for coating, either way it turns a 2-3 hour job into a major overhaul, (even if you do spray them the same day you still have to wait for them to dry etc).
If you look at the price of koni sports for other cars some are cheaper and they have the strut and spring mount welded on, they could have brake line and abs mounts on one of those adjustable mounts you get with coilovers, this in itself puts me off them. I could buy 2 2nd hand dampers, cut them and have them coated first but the cheapest ive seen are 30+20 post each plus aprox 30 powder coat plus £144 is £224 each side without springs, If I do all 4 i'm into £900. Then I start thinking should I just buy some coilovers with adjustable ride height ?
I wish Bilstien just made some B6's for this car.
There are loads of coilover kits from £600-£1800 I get the idea that us drivers want to improve our handling, but the main aim of the coilover manufacturer is just to sell somthing that lowers the car, stiffens the damping and that looks good when you get it out of the box but in reality the quality is no better if not worse than the standard dampers, I'm only going off what I have read but most of the coilovers are not matched pairs and the adjustments are mostly useless.
Sorry I'm just having a rant. But would still value your opinions. Thank you.

[1979scotte]

Kong are probably your best bet unfortunately. Although don't look past stock KYB going to be better than what's been on the car for the last 14 years.
The cheaper coilover kits aren't for everyone. I like my meister R but they're not for everyone especially on poor surfaces.
Maybe Tein would be better but they're even more money.
Agreed is a shame bilstein or ohlins don't do something for our cars.

[thetyrant]

It is annoying Koni only make inserts for these cars and not complete bolt on units, like the Konis i have on my BM and previous ones as well,  however i guess we should just be thankful they make anything at all as there seem so little out there that is decent for these cars now.

[Joesson]

It is annoying Koni only make inserts for these cars and not complete bolt on units, like the Konis i have on my BM and previous ones as well,  however i guess we should just be thankful they make anything at all as there seem so little out there that is decent for these cars now.

https://www.dcperformance.co.uk/uprated/koni-sport-suspension-kits/toyota/mr2.html

@toyoda

I believe it was @1979scotte that pointed these out recently.

[Petrus]

As was observed fresh KYBs are a world of improovement over tired ones.
Also it is a doddle at very little expense to have your own springs made to spec in the UK by several specialists.

[Carolyn]

Last year, I replaced my springs and shocks with KYB and OEM springs. The improvement was massive- I discovered how one of these must have felt when it was factory-fresh, and it was good!

Sometimes 'uprating' is not an improvement?

[1979scotte]

As was observed fresh KYBs are a world of improovement over tired ones.
Also it is a doddle at very little expense to have your own springs made to spec in the UK by several specialists.

Let's try getting some made up to Sportivo spec then. Maybe try with Koni inserts.

[Mr2paul]

Just got some Yaris wishbones for our Yaris, which has been no bother n a cracking car tbh with its 130k miles, cost me £44 and mot advisory for slight play, so is a no brainer. I'm thinking I'll change these and use the Toyota old ones after a rebush on the mr2. My question is, can someone recommend a supplier of the bushes, perhaps poly ?? Thanks

[Joesson]

Just got some Yaris wishbones for our Yaris, which has been no bother n a cracking car tbh with its 130k miles, cost me £44 and mot advisory for slight play, so is a no brainer. I'm thinking I'll change these and use the Toyota old ones after a rebush on the mr2. My question is, can someone recommend a supplier of the bushes, perhaps poly ?? Thanks

That's TCB on here who supply SuperPro

[thetyrant]

https://www.dcperformance.co.uk/uprated/koni-sport-suspension-kits/toyota/mr2.html

@toyoda

I believe it was @1979scotte that pointed these out recently.

Bit deceiving that as while it looks like a complete kit you only get inserts to go into your cut struts, plus a set of springs but its not complete bolt on units as you might think from looking at pictures.

Fitting the inserts is not difficult but it is more work than just swapping complete damper units of course.

[Joesson]

https://www.dcperformance.co.uk/uprated/koni-sport-suspension-kits/toyota/mr2.html

@toyoda

I believe it was @1979scotte that pointed these out recently.

Bit deceiving that as while it looks like a complete kit you only get inserts to go into your cut struts, plus a set of springs but its not complete bolt on units as you might think from looking at pictures.

Fitting the inserts is not difficult but it is more work than just swapping complete damper units of course.

https://www.dcperformance.co.uk/uprated/koni-sport-suspension-kits/toyota/mr2.html

@toyoda

I believe it was @1979scotte that pointed these out recently.

Bit deceiving that as while it looks like a complete kit you only get inserts to go into your cut struts, plus a set of springs but its not complete bolt on units as you might think from looking at pictures.

Fitting the inserts is not difficult but it is more work than just swapping complete damper units of course.

Well, if that is right they should be shot for misrepresentation, this is part of the text with that offer:

"Koni Sports Kits come with four adjustable (yellow) Sport shocks and a matching set of H&R lowering springs. Koni Sports (yellow) shocks are ....."

[Zxrob]

Well, if that is right they should be shot for misrepresentation, this is part of the text with that offer:

"Koni Sports Kits come with four adjustable (yellow) Sport shocks and a matching set of H&R lowering springs. Koni Sports (yellow) shocks are ....."

I looked at these, you really do have to read the description, it does say that they are for use with original struts though, the problem sometimes is terminology.

Rob

[Joesson]

Well, if that is right they should be shot for misrepresentation, this is part of the text with that offer:

"Koni Sports Kits come with four adjustable (yellow) Sport shocks and a matching set of H&R lowering springs. Koni Sports (yellow) shocks are ....."

I looked at these, you really do have to read the description, it does say that they are for use with original struts though, the problem sometimes is terminology.

Rob

Your certainly not wrong, caveat emptor, an excellent example!

I suppose what they  are suggesting is that the shocks will be yellow, if you paint them!

[Zxrob]

Well, if that is right they should be shot for misrepresentation, this is part of the text with that offer:

"Koni Sports Kits come with four adjustable (yellow) Sport shocks and a matching set of H&R lowering springs. Koni Sports (yellow) shocks are ....."

I looked at these, you really do have to read the description, it does say that they are for use with original struts though, the problem sometimes is terminology.

Rob

Your certainly not wrong, caveat emptor, an excellent example!

I suppose what they  are suggesting is that the shocks will be yellow, if you paint them!

Would have been so easy to advertise as " adjustable damper and springs", problem is, folks see the term  "shock absorber" and take it as the complete kit

Rob

[Joesson]

Well, if that is right they should be shot for misrepresentation, this is part of the text with that offer:

"Koni Sports Kits come with four adjustable (yellow) Sport shocks and a matching set of H&R lowering springs. Koni Sports (yellow) shocks are ....."

I looked at these, you really do have to read the description, it does say that they are for use with original struts though, the problem sometimes is terminology.

Rob

Your certainly not wrong, caveat emptor, an excellent example!

I suppose what they  are suggesting is that the shocks will be yellow, if you paint them!

Would have been so easy to advertise as " adjustable damper and springs", problem is, folks see the term  "shock absorber" and take it as the complete kit

Rob

You are too kind and forgiving!
Who else sells diy shock absorber/ dampers (call them what you will) ?
I find it difficult to believe that there is not some attempt to deceive, there is a "generic picture/ not the actual product" that looks suspiciously like a complete assembly. The worded description actually describes the colour!
I confess I had bookmarked these for possible consideration, I really would have been very unhappy if I had bought that box of bits.
Thankfully you have your eyes very wide open.

[Petrus]

Well, if that is right they should be shot for misrepresentation, this is part of the text with that offer:

"Koni Sports Kits come with four adjustable (yellow) Sport shocks and a matching set of H&R lowering springs. Koni Sports (yellow) shocks are ....."

I looked at these, you really do have to read the description, it does say that they are for use with original struts though, the problem sometimes is terminology.

Rob

I was alerted by the blurp about the photos not neccessarily representing the actual product. The photos of the áctual product make it totally obvious.
I felt rather ´tricked´ at first too.

[Zxrob]

I find it difficult to believe that there is not some attempt to deceive, there is a "generic picture/ not the actual product" that looks suspiciously like a complete assembly. The worded description actually describes the colour!

You are spot on there, you first see the pics, you think,hmm, you then read the product description, not quite what it appears

Rob

[Ardent]

What the big print. Giveth.
The small print taketh away.

[Joesson]

@toyoda
You asked a question and I apologise if I have muddied the waters, but @Zxrob cleared them again. It does highlight the problem of today in that we do not see what we pay for as so much is done via the www. But looking at that positively without this Forum, that lives in the middle of that web, I would be none the wiser about the Kone INSERTS! And maybe it's highlighted that for some other readers also.

[thetyrant]

A good reseller will let you know on point of ordering about the insert situation in case you missed it in the advert as its not always clear, things like that sorts the good ones out from the race to the bottom box shifters who just want you money and dont give a stuff!

This is the problem with www shopping and why we dont have a online shop at work, to do it right and get all the details i feel you should have it takes a lot of time and effort, i much prefer my customers to contact me via email/phone so i can discuss their requirements and find a product to suit, rather than let them just hit a button on a webshop and then  possibly buy the wrong thing for their needs

[AdamR28]

On the flip side you get those people who ask your advice then ignore it anyway, and buy what they clearly had in mind already. So frustrating!

[Smithy]

Last year, I replaced my springs and shocks with KYB and OEM springs. The improvement was massive- I discovered how one of these must have felt when it was factory-fresh, and it was good!

Sometimes 'uprating' is not an improvement?

Good morning. Can you please tell me where you perchased your shocks and springs please?