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The Workshop => Audio / Security / Electrical => Topic started by: GSB on October 22, 2004, 09:22

Title: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something Else
Post by: GSB on October 22, 2004, 09:22
The passenger window disable switch fitted to the dash by the steering wheel... Anyone ever actually use it? No.

Anybody ever been caught out by it when they find the passenger window wont work? Oh Yes...

In short, its usless... No-one ever uses the bloody thing, so heres how to remove the window function from it so you can free the switch up to do something more useful...

Remove the switch by reaching up underneath the dash to the back of the switch. If you gently squeeze at the top and bottom the switch will slide forward and can then be pulled out of the dashboard. On the back of the switch is a plug, into which you 'll see 2 wires. Cut these wires about 2 inches back from the plug and join them together, ideally by soldering and heatshrink insulation, but a butt splice crimp connector and some insulating tape will do just as well...

The passenger window will now work without the switch in circuit, and the 2 wires you have left on the back of the switch can now be connected to something considerably more useful. The favorite being to put in the circuit from the headunit to the electric ariel so you can lower it when its not required. Other uses might be for control of additional lights, (such as neons if thats your thing  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:  ) or perhaps water injection / alternative fuelling map / boost setting selection for the turbo guys...

Yet another entirely useful five minute mod brought to you by GSB...  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: roger on October 22, 2004, 13:41
Excellent idea, but what are you doing with a "Passenger Widow"   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

Can somebody add a link or instructions as to which wire activates the aerial (assuming its not in the handbook!!!). A search shows Buster had ideas about 15 months ago, but unfortunately nothing came of it.

Thanks chaps.

roger
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Post by: heathstimpson on October 22, 2004, 14:24
I could never figure why they decided to add such a useless feature to a roadster. I asked when I picked it up when new and they said incase you want to stop a child openening their window  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:? :? s:?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2004, 16:39
Quote from: "heathstimpson"I could never figure why they decided to add such a useless feature to a roadster. I asked when I picked it up when new and they said incase you want to stop a child openening their window  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:? :? s:?
But shouldn't a child be in the back seat? That's what it says on my visor.   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
(do you have that same warning label, or this just a USA thing?)
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Post by: Darth Paul on October 22, 2004, 16:48
Just a USA thing.  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2004, 16:57
Since this is a USA thing, a lot of you might not know what I'm talking about.
On both sun visors we have warning labels that say:

WARNING
DEATH or SERIOUS INJURY can occur
* Children 12 and under can be killed by the air bag
* The BACK SEAT is the SAFEST place for children
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Post by: heathstimpson on October 22, 2004, 17:22
Quote from: "FairportSpyder"Since this is a USA thing, a lot of you might not know what I'm talking about.
On both sun visors we have warning labels that say:

WARNING
DEATH or SERIOUS INJURY can occur
* Children 12 and under can be killed by the air bag
* The BACK SEAT is the SAFEST place for children
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  Must tell my kids and they won't be so keen to jump in  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2004, 17:36
Quote from: "FairportSpyder"Since this is a USA thing, a lot of you might not know what I'm talking about.
On both sun visors we have warning labels that say:

WARNING
DEATH or SERIOUS INJURY can occur
* Children 12 and under can be killed by the air bag
* The BACK SEAT is the SAFEST place for children

I've got one of those stickers and my car is UK. Or I certainly hope it is.   s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  

Any easy way I can tell?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2004, 17:56
Which side is your steering wheel on?   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Tem on October 22, 2004, 19:31
Quote from: "fraz"I've got one of those stickers and my car is UK. Or I certainly hope it is.   s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

I had that as well...I thought all EU cars had it, but I guess not  s:? :? s:?
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Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2004, 17:21
IIRC, the antenna wire is in the harness behind the stereo and is orange. All it would take is to run a small guage wire from there to the downstream side of the switch and a hot wire to the front side of the switch. Possibly even off the old window power circuit.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 5, 2005, 13:13
You can call me stupid but this is my funny experience.

One day I found out my passenger window didn't roll down, thought something got disconnected since I have a custom leather work.
After a couple weeks at a traffic light stop decided to look and found that blocking window option. Oops!!!!, my window worked again, I believe I pressed when cleaning.

Next new use will be a front fog light button
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Post by: roger on September 5, 2005, 13:41
You are NOT the first   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

Fortunately I am not on the list   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Tem on September 5, 2005, 19:42
Some have actually had their "dead" passenger window repaired under warranty  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: heathstimpson on September 7, 2005, 08:09
Quote from: "roger"You are NOT the first   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

Fortunately I am not on the list   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Add me to; you would think that the salesman would show you on delivery of the car  s:? :? s:?
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Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 05:23
This might be an easy solution for me.. Im searching to get rid of the anoying antena when Im listening to CDs!!
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Post by: heathstimpson on December 22, 2005, 14:36
Quote from: "ShIvER"This might be an easy solution for me.. I'm searching to get rid of the anoying antena when I'm listening to CDs!!
A mod I still having gor around to do  s:? :? s:?
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Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 15:30
Im gonna do mine now, I think Im gonna take the camera and make an article for spydermagazine  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 20:58
I just did it.. I had no orange cable for the antena but I found out wich one it was from the stock radio bible on spydermagazine, the rest is a prety straigh forward job! just make sure you secure the cable tight around the cables that are allready behind the pedals so they don't ever get in the way of the acelerator  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: mg on December 22, 2005, 22:51
I would like to do this as well.  Any idea how to change the graphic on the switch?

Also, how does this operate?  If the antenna is up, does it lower it or does it just cut power to the antenna motor?  If it does not lower it, then I can see how you could leave your antenna up when you turn off...  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
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Post by: GSB on December 23, 2005, 06:43
Quote from: "ShIvER"I'm gonna do mine now, I think I'm gonna take the camera and make an article for spydermagazine  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

And whats wrong with the articles section of this fine institution?

Quote from: "mg"Also, how does this operate? If the antenna is up, does it lower it or does it just cut power to the antenna motor? If it does not lower it, then I can see how you could leave your antenna up when you turn off...

It cuts the signal to the antenna relay. You cant leave it in the up position
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Post by: mg on December 23, 2005, 09:11
Quote from: "GSB"It cuts the signal to the antenna relay. You cant leave it in the up position

So when modified (as above) it basically removes control of the antenna from the head unit and wires it to a switch?  Cool.

I wonder if Toyota make a switch that would fit with an antenna symbol on it.  I can't see how to easily change the graphic?

You all realise that once people start making this change, we are going to see posts every few months 'My antenna does not work!' instead of 'My passenger window does not work!' -lol!
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Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2005, 17:23
Quote from: "GSB"
Quote from: "ShIvER"I'm gonna do mine now, I think I'm gonna take the camera and make an article for spydermagazine  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

And whats wrong with the articles section of this fine institution?

Quote from: "mg"Also, how does this operate? If the antenna is up, does it lower it or does it just cut power to the antenna motor? If it does not lower it, then I can see how you could leave your antenna up when you turn off...

It cuts the signal to the antenna relay. You cant leave it in the up position
nothing wrong with this forum's articles section, I just didn't knew it has one  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  
but I didn't make an article anyway, this thing is too easy!

about changing the logo on the switch.. what for? I just erased the graphic, I have a black switch that noone can see, and that's a good thing! I don't want the antena of hell to be released by the wrong person!!  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: mg on December 23, 2005, 19:09
Quote from: "ShIvER"I just erased the graphic, I have a black switch that noone can see, and that's a good thing!

How did you 'erase' the graphic, sand it off?
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Post by: kanujunkie on December 23, 2005, 20:45
Quote from: "mg"
Quote from: "ShIvER"I just erased the graphic, I have a black switch that noone can see, and that's a good thing!

How did you 'erase' the graphic, sand it off?

i used a rough ink eraser on mine, got a slightly polished finish, but it soon dulls down  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2005, 21:10
my brother erased it while I was skeezing myself under the steering wheel to pass the eletric cables down there, he did it with a knife it peels of easily but left some scratch marks, barelly visible tough. It would be better if done with a fine sand paper (one of those that you pass water before using) for a smooth surface  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 24, 2005, 00:01
Quote from: "ShIvER"... one of those that you pass water before using...
s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 24, 2005, 02:43
You could put one of these there.

(http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/button_idea_ELECTRIC_SUPERCHARGER.jpg)
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Post by: Anonymous on December 25, 2005, 04:49
Quote from: "peterb"
Quote from: "ShIvER"... one of those that you pass water before using...
s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
what's that face about?
My native language is not english so I lack a lot of words, I read it today somewhere, it's called water sandpaper, right?

LOL at that image!!  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: kanujunkie on December 25, 2005, 09:57
Quote from: "ShIvER"My native language is not english so I lack a lot of words, I read it today somewhere, it's called water sandpaper, right?

you mean wet'n'dry paper, but that is a tradename
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Post by: Anonymous on December 25, 2005, 18:56
wet and dry paper? not really, it's water sandpaper Im pretty sure   s:? :? s:?  
I used it in PCs to polish heatsinks
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Post by: Anonymous on December 25, 2005, 18:57
go , here (http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=27968) and look at step #2[/url]
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Post by: kanujunkie on December 25, 2005, 19:31
that is 1500 grit wet and dry they're talking about
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Post by: Anonymous on December 25, 2005, 23:03
Quote from: "ShIvER"
Quote from: "peterb"
Quote from: "ShIvER"... one of those that you pass water before using...
s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
what's that face about?
My native language is not english so I lack a lot of words, I read it today somewhere, it's called water sandpaper, right?

LOL at that image!!  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Sorry, but "passing water" is often used to mean going to the toilet!

The "sand paper" you refer to is usually called "wet and dry".
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Post by: Anonymous on December 25, 2005, 23:17
passing the sandpaper by water...
Im not english native so gimme a break  s;) ;) s;)
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Post by: kanujunkie on December 26, 2005, 17:12
Quote from: "ShIvER"I'm not english native so gimme a break  s;) ;) s;)

out of interest, where are you then??
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Post by: so.simple on December 26, 2005, 17:25
He's in Portugal.   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: mr2mark on July 17, 2006, 19:26
Hi just been reading about these people who are on about having the aerial up when listening to a c.d. ...... If you have the same head unit as me I just press the TA button when in c.d mode and switch TA off .... this will put the aerial down ..... then when I switch to radio it goes up on its own ..... then back to c.d it goes down ...... SORTED ... Then you can use this switch for neons   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
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Post by: kanujunkie on July 17, 2006, 21:37
Quote from: "mr2mark"Then you can use this switch for neons   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:

NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
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Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2006, 18:25
mr2mark

What marque is your car? I've just changed from April 2000 to a September 2003 facelift. Playing a CD without the aerial up on the old car was easy. I've just tried your suggestion on my new one and the bloody aerial still comes up  s:!: :!: s:!:  Perhaps I'm missing something.
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Post by: kanujunkie on July 30, 2006, 13:24
heres the wiring diagram (http://www.stuandele.co.uk/mr2roc/aerial.pdf). Your looking at the black wire in the bottom left.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2006, 20:19
Just a nod to GSB and others for pointing out what's possible. I've now done this to my '2, and it's still recent enough to be fun to test it's still working when stuck in traffic en route to work!! Cheers.

n
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Post by: Anonymous on April 2, 2007, 23:06
Quote from: "roger"Excellent idea, but what are you doing with a "Passenger Widow"   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Going out on a shaky limb: I believe the "Passenger Widow Disabler" removes the passenger's spouse's ability to die, much like a cheat code grants immortality in a PS2 game.
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Widow Disable Switch For Something E
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2007, 04:56
Quote from: "GSB"The passenger window disable switch fitted to the dash by the steering wheel... Anyone ever actually use it? No.

Actually, it's a handy switch. I use it all the time.  When I fart, I press on that button and prevents her from winding the window down....so yes..it's handy.
And the other safety function for it is if your car is drowning down some lake, that button enables you to manually push the window down if you don't have the means to smash the window... that's what I've been told at least.... haven't had the chance to confirm it underwater.
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Widow Disable Switch For Something E
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2007, 18:17
Quote from: "Dangly"for it is if your car is drowning down some lake, that button enables you to manually push the window down if you don't have the means to smash the window... that's what I've been told at least.... haven't had the chance to confirm it underwater.

Hmmm Really?? Sound fishy to me?
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Post by: enid_b on April 22, 2007, 22:12
okies, im doing the passenger window - aerial switch thingy.

i cut the obvious orange wire. but it had no effect.

does anyone know which orange wire to cut....?

i am thinking that its the other orange wire- this is pre ISO adaptor ie part of the cars wiring as opposed to the stereo wiring (the bit that comes out of the floor before any connectors?

is this the right one, if not which one do i need,  thanks.

im in the middle of the job so a quick answer would make my day.

many thanks
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Post by: enid_b on April 23, 2007, 00:05
Task is now complete.  It was the BLUE wire in the ISO loom. ie the bit you plug into the wires that are attached to the car.

snip the blue one, wire it up to the passenger window switch and away you go.

this one is super easy, when you get the right wire, and i am very pleased with the result, as there is nothing worse than an aerial that is always up.  IMHO i think it makes the car look like a remote control one.

thumbs up, and if you need guidance, drop me a line.

E
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Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2009, 02:12
Quote from: "enid_b"Task is now complete.  It was the BLUE wire in the ISO loom. ie the bit you plug into the wires that are attached to the car.

snip the blue one, wire it up to the passenger window switch and away you go.

this one is super easy, when you get the right wire, and i am very pleased with the result, as there is nothing worse than an aerial that is always up.  IMHO i think it makes the car look like a remote control one.

thumbs up, and if you need guidance, drop me a line.

E

out of interest, what was the orange one you cut??   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

i would probably do this if the TA thing didnt work!

although i do use the switch in the yaris to stop my (very mature   s:roll: :roll: s:roll:  )mates from shouting abuse at people we drive past   s:? :? s:?
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Widow Disable Switch For Something E
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2009, 20:46
Quote from: "Dangly"
Quote from: "GSB"The passenger window disable switch fitted to the dash by the steering wheel... Anyone ever actually use it? No.

Actually, it's a handy switch. I use it all the time.  When I fart, I press on that button and prevents her from winding the window down....so yes..it's handy.
And the other safety function for it is if your car is drowning down some lake, that button enables you to manually push the window down if you don't have the means to smash the window... that's what I've been told at least.... haven't had the chance to confirm it underwater.

I also find it handy at traffic lights as a reason NOT to pay for my windows being cleaned with an oily rag, simply use the disabled button on the centre console + gesture / swear until the lights change.
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Widow Disable Switch For Something E
Post by: Tem on August 27, 2009, 22:23
Quote from: "simonp"
Quote from: "Dangly"for it is if your car is drowning down some lake, that button enables you to manually push the window down if you don't have the means to smash the window... that's what I've been told at least.... haven't had the chance to confirm it underwater.

Hmmm Really?? Sound fishy to me?

I really doubt that. The switch only cuts power from the window motor. It makes no difference to the normal situation, when you're not running the window motor. Consider it equal to just removing the passenger side switch.


Then again, I guess it's possible that water could short the electrics so that the window motor keeps running the window closed and that switch could stop it. But even then, it has zero effect on the driver side window. Even then, I suppose it would be easier to undo the roof latches and open it, if it was closed in the first place.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2009, 18:23
Thank God for MR2 Roc!!  Just got back fomr a drive worried my passenger window was broken.  I was abou tto ask for some advice on where to start testing for faults, then i read this and checked.  I don't think i have ever noticed the button before!! What an idiot i am !
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Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 19:31
I got my 'friend' to wire mine up so it squirts oil onto the windscreen of villain behind chasing me!
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Post by: Anonymous on February 4, 2010, 11:12
Mine now produces a smokescreen to confused the chasing villians!
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something Else
Post by: oli3107 on May 23, 2010, 23:31
ours goes down when you turn radio off or switch to cd?
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Post by: kentsmudger on May 24, 2010, 00:24
Quote from: "oli3107"ours goes down when you turn radio off or switch to cd?
Not all head-units will do this, especially when playing CDs, hence the mod
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something Else
Post by: oli3107 on May 25, 2010, 16:45
ours is stock HU.
but then i spose most on here have aftermarket
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something
Post by: kamlung on February 12, 2013, 19:15
was thinking about using the switch as a in your face stealth kill switch... but im afraid it may be too high gauge of a wire to handle the current?
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Post by: brianorme1986 on July 28, 2013, 18:30
do you think i can unplug that useless switch and use the live feed to wire in a engine start button??
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something
Post by: dtp on August 2, 2013, 14:35
This is how I did my aerial disable - I didn't use the window disable switch but fitted a new one (see photos), but there is no reason why you cant reuse the switch
http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=34574#p420196
This is on a 2004 facelift model with original Mr. T audio and linked CD changer.

Cheers
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something
Post by: kamlung on September 3, 2013, 22:08
i think that for anyone that has a swapped motor (i.e. 2zz) that no longer has an immobilizer, you can use the switch as a stealthy kill switch on the starter... :2cents:
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something
Post by: Skint Brit on March 12, 2016, 06:58
Hi all, I'm so grateful to have read this post a couple of months ago, as I had a new head unit fitted this week (Pioneer Avic-f77), and was told by the fitter that the electric aerial would have to be up ALL THE TIME the ignition was on. I said "what, even when I'm not listening to radio?"  He said yes. Then I remembered this post, and asked him to wire the aerial power to the window isolation switch, he looked at me a bit strangely and then the penny dropped.  Works really well, most of the time I'm listening to the great DAB reception, or Bluetooth, but should I want to listen to FM/MW.........Up it goes.  Thanks for the suggestion, too clever to be my own!
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Post by: skidmark on May 5, 2016, 21:50
How about replacing it with one of these.

Always handy to see the battery voltage

(https://t6x69a-bn1306.files.1drv.com/y3mGpd696T_2oq8rz47fkW3QazkKFw8rJtxhKCV2FBV0Mffhz_R6J_D9kmctL4R-qpZhfDPc0kfpsgyH_lsFjQHim9vL1_rQntIAo7NyAgwyzFsZgyV_MByBhs0z2WMJl4Ou8UJ1v9wRXNuyFvgSOaufomRw6Kkf3ysi-b83IlhQfw?width=660&height=660&cropmode=none)
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Post by: shnazzle on May 5, 2016, 22:05
Quote from: "skidmark"How about replacing it with one of these.

Always handy to see the battery voltage

(https://t6x69a-bn1306.files.1drv.com/y3mGpd696T_2oq8rz47fkW3QazkKFw8rJtxhKCV2FBV0Mffhz_R6J_D9kmctL4R-qpZhfDPc0kfpsgyH_lsFjQHim9vL1_rQntIAo7NyAgwyzFsZgyV_MByBhs0z2WMJl4Ou8UJ1v9wRXNuyFvgSOaufomRw6Kkf3ysi-b83IlhQfw?width=660&height=660&cropmode=none)
I like that! Link?
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Post by: skidmark on May 5, 2016, 22:20
I will be ordering one once I've check the sizes

 m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LED-Digital-V ... Swh-1W4UM0 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LED-Digital-Voltmeter-Voltage-Thermometer-Monitor-For-Toyota-Camry-Corolla-12V-/371571433114?hash=item5683621e9a:g:YzcAAOSwh-1W4UM0) m
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something
Post by: tricky1138 on May 6, 2016, 11:54
Quote from: "shnazzle"
Quote from: "skidmark"How about replacing it with one of these.

Always handy to see the battery voltage

(https://t6x69a-bn1306.files.1drv.com/y3mGpd696T_2oq8rz47fkW3QazkKFw8rJtxhKCV2FBV0Mffhz_R6J_D9kmctL4R-qpZhfDPc0kfpsgyH_lsFjQHim9vL1_rQntIAo7NyAgwyzFsZgyV_MByBhs0z2WMJl4Ou8UJ1v9wRXNuyFvgSOaufomRw6Kkf3ysi-b83IlhQfw?width=660&height=660&cropmode=none)
I like that! Link?

I like that too! Await confirmation of fitting!   s:D :D s:D
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something
Post by: skidmark on May 7, 2016, 11:39
Couldn't really say for sure its going to fit, so ordered it anyway and will make it work  s:) :) s:)

Will update when it arrives and is tested, its not due for a week or 2
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something
Post by: stu h on October 7, 2016, 19:43
so simple you would have to be a genius to think about it ???
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Post by: Bossworld on November 2, 2016, 21:23
Quote from: "Skint Brit"Hi all, I'm so grateful to have read this post a couple of months ago, as I had a new head unit fitted this week (Pioneer Avic-f77), and was told by the fitter that the electric aerial would have to be up ALL THE TIME the ignition was on. I said "what, even when I'm not listening to radio?"  He said yes. Then I remembered this post, and asked him to wire the aerial power to the window isolation switch, he looked at me a bit strangely and then the penny dropped.  Works really well, most of the time I'm listening to the great DAB reception, or Bluetooth, but should I want to listen to FM/MW.........Up it goes.  Thanks for the suggestion, too clever to be my own!

Just wondering how the wiring for this would work?  Would it mean that the aerial power remains dependent on the radio, or is it completely independent in operation (up/down based on the switch?)
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something
Post by: gazza1286 on November 2, 2016, 22:05
The switch only interrupts the aerial when the head unit is switched on. It doesn't power the aerial when the head unit is switched off.
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something
Post by: Skint Brit on November 20, 2016, 22:57
Quote from: "Bossworld"
Quote from: "Skint Brit"Hi all, I'm so grateful to have read this post a couple of months ago, as I had a new head unit fitted this week (Pioneer Avic-f77), and was told by the fitter that the electric aerial would have to be up ALL THE TIME the ignition was on. I said "what, even when I'm not listening to radio?"  He said yes. Then I remembered this post, and asked him to wire the aerial power to the window isolation switch, he looked at me a bit strangely and then the penny dropped.  Works really well, most of the time I'm listening to the great DAB reception, or Bluetooth, but should I want to listen to FM/MW.........Up it goes.  Thanks for the suggestion, too clever to be my own!

Just wondering how the wiring for this would work?  Would it mean that the aerial power remains dependent on the radio, or is it completely independent in operation (up/down based on the switch?)

Hi Bossworld, sorry only just noticed your question. Simply put, when you make this mod you completely take control of the aerial MOTOR from the head unit. The aerial it self is of course always attached to the head unit, but the up/down function of the electric motor is now under your manual control. I hope that makes sense?
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something
Post by: Skint Brit on November 20, 2016, 23:07
Quote from: "skidmark"How about replacing it with one of these.

Always handy to see the battery voltage

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Did we ever find out if this was the right size and worked once fitted?  Seems like a nice thing to fill one of the blanks.
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something
Post by: Bossworld on November 21, 2016, 16:30
Quote from: "Skint Brit"
Quote from: "Bossworld"
Quote from: "Skint Brit"Hi all, I'm so grateful to have read this post a couple of months ago, as I had a new head unit fitted this week (Pioneer Avic-f77), and was told by the fitter that the electric aerial would have to be up ALL THE TIME the ignition was on. I said "what, even when I'm not listening to radio?"  He said yes. Then I remembered this post, and asked him to wire the aerial power to the window isolation switch, he looked at me a bit strangely and then the penny dropped.  Works really well, most of the time I'm listening to the great DAB reception, or Bluetooth, but should I want to listen to FM/MW.........Up it goes.  Thanks for the suggestion, too clever to be my own!

Just wondering how the wiring for this would work?  Would it mean that the aerial power remains dependent on the radio, or is it completely independent in operation (up/down based on the switch?)

Hi Bossworld, sorry only just noticed your question. Simply put, when you make this mod you completely take control of the aerial MOTOR from the head unit. The aerial it self is of course always attached to the head unit, but the up/down function of the electric motor is now under your manual control. I hope that makes sense?

Hi mate,

No worries at all, ended up using the same theory but in a slightly different way.

Bought a cheap 16mm rocker switch (99p on eBay) and fitted that in with a male bullet connector one end, female the other.  Plugged in-line into my Pioneer's blue wire and works perfectly.
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something Else
Post by: chrismscotland on September 9, 2018, 10:41
Quick one guys, already taken the window controls out of the switch and wired up but looking to do the aerial mod, does it matter what Amperage of wire I use?
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something Else
Post by: mitreklov on March 31, 2019, 16:23
I did this mod for my arial control. Purchased another secondhand switch, rubbed the white markings off using some t-cut the used 'Y' shaped white lettering to represent the function. Used it quite a lot, works well.
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something Else
Post by: virginpaul on May 29, 2020, 12:30
So I've now done the aerial override switch mod. myself thanks to the great how to's on here.  I used the daft passenger window cutout switch.  Cut the heavy wiring 1 inch from the switch connector and stripped and twisted and crimped them together - pax window worked fine.

For the aerial cutout wiring, rather than try and access the OE wiring behind the new stereo or the ISO converter cable I fitted, I broke into the circuit behind the corner kick panel at the drivers footwell - IJ1 (the large white connector), pin 2, small black wire.  Used a meter to check it went +12v with the radio on, and 0 when selected off.

The wiring is pretty low amperage as it's only a "signal" wire to the relay.

Just got to remove the "window" symbol from the switch and see if I can dry transfer either a symbol of an antenna, or just the word "aerial" crossed out.....

Edit:-
That'll do...

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Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something Else
Post by: TheTigerUK on November 16, 2021, 19:15
Quote from: mr2mark on July 17, 2006, 19:26Hi just been reading about these people who are on about having the aerial up when listening to a c.d. ...... If you have the same head unit as me I just press the TA button when in c.d mode and switch TA off .... this will put the aerial down ..... then when I switch to radio it goes up on its own ..... then back to c.d it goes down ...... SORTED ... Then you can use this switch for neons   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:

15 years on you have just helped me, thank you :)
Title: Re: Using The Passenger Window Disable Switch For Something Else
Post by: p3t3r on September 19, 2023, 11:17
Quote from: virginpaul on May 29, 2020, 12:30So I've now done the aerial override switch mod. myself thanks to the great how to's on here.  I used the daft passenger window cutout switch.  Cut the heavy wiring 1 inch from the switch connector and stripped and twisted and crimped them together - pax window worked fine.

For the aerial cutout wiring, rather than try and access the OE wiring behind the new stereo or the ISO converter cable I fitted, I broke into the circuit behind the corner kick panel at the drivers footwell - IJ1 (the large white connector), pin 2, small black wire.  Used a meter to check it went +12v with the radio on, and 0 when selected off.

The wiring is pretty low amperage as it's only a "signal" wire to the relay.

Just got to remove the "window" symbol from the switch and see if I can dry transfer either a symbol of an antenna, or just the word "aerial" crossed out.....

Edit:-
That'll do...



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black wire pos 8 from CN701-1 connector switched by an old landcruiser antenna switch