Looking for some currently available mid-range/priced woofer and tweeter component speakers for my car to replace the stock ones. Powered by a Sony XAV-AX1000 (no amp 55Wx4 output). Ideally in the £50-100 range. Can source fitting brackets for 5.25" or 6.5" woofers via fleabay/amazon. The speakers should be good enough on their own as it might take me a while to get around to fitting the sub (USW10 on order) which I expect to be more of a pig. Not looking for audiophile level sound quality or boy-racer level vol btw, just it would be nice to hear tunes clearly at 70mph with the top down :D Also can be a package with tweeters and woofers or a pairing of separate components.
Am I good to use the stock wiring? I see there are pluggable adapters available. The purist in me says no but the experienced lazy person in me says yea, fook it.
Any tips for easily available now stick-based remotes? There are old 2nd hand sony models available for bad money without mounts and all sorts on fleabay, but I would prefer something new.
Kenwood KFC-E170P 300W 17cm... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00G5JODOO?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I fitted these, decent for the money, just needed some fiddling around with the tweeters to make them fit the FL door cards. No issues with the wiring, pretty much plug and play.
If you're binning your OEM speakers just cut the door rings off them and attach to the new speakers.
It'll make sense when you start doing it.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on May 28, 2019, 22:15
Kenwood KFC-E170P 300W 17cm... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00G5JODOO?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I fitted these, decent for the money, just needed some fiddling around with the tweeters to make them fit the FL door cards. No issues with the wiring, pretty much plug and play.
If you're binning your OEM speakers just cut the door rings off them and attach to the new speakers.
It'll make sense when you start doing it.
Nice ... I had spotted those Kenwood ones and half hoped they'd be good enough because if so that's a steal at the price!
I was going to keep the old ones but I'm really not sure why, they are almost certainly binnable and it makes it easier and cheaper :)
Cheers for the tip! Here's to actually hearing the music :D
Get yourself a roll of flashing from Screwfix or similar while you're at it and sound deaden all the door cards and bits of trim.
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Flashing tape would be much cheaper than the dedicated stuff right. Only thing I guess needs to be avoided is the bitumen based stuff which I'm sure would stink up quite bad!
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https://www.screwfix.com/p/bostik-flashband-grey-10m-x-100mm/57969
I use this sort of stuff, needs a quick waft with the heat gun once you've placed it to properly stick but it deadens vibrations well.
I also got some "dynamat" type cheap off Fleabay after someone shared a link on here but there was quite a run on it, think they might have underpriced it at the time [emoji23]
Which sub did you get?
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on May 29, 2019, 09:46
https://www.screwfix.com/p/bostik-flashband-grey-10m-x-100mm/57969
I use this sort of stuff, needs a quick waft with the heat gun once you've placed it to properly stick but it deadens vibrations well.
I also got some "dynamat" type cheap off Fleabay after someone shared a link on here but there was quite a run on it, think they might have underpriced it at the time [emoji23]
Which sub did you get?
Aye the Dynamat stuff seems pretty expensive for what it is.
The Sub I got is the InPhase USW10 which I think is the same as you. It should be arriving today. Now tell me you don't also have the Sony XAV-AX1000 HU do ya or we'll have almost the exact same setup :D
Edit: actually I think I'm mixing you up with Shnazzle who said they have the USW10. Are you rocking a sub also, Midlife?
Nah, I'm Kenwood through and through, wouldn't buy the head unit again for these cars though.
Wish I'd gone for a Sony as there's no remote stalks for the Kenwoods.
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Crikey that flashing tape is half the price of the stuff I got. I went for Butyl rather than bitumen to avoid any unwanted smells
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sika-Multiseal-Sealing-Self-Adhesive-Flashing-Tape-Band-10m-100mm-lead-look-Roof/361706918206?hash=item543769913e:g:xHUAAOSwHoFXwY3h&frcectupt=true
Needed just over 10 metres from memory
Quote from: Bossworld on May 29, 2019, 10:26
Crikey that flashing tape is half the price of the stuff I got. I went for Butyl rather than bitumen to avoid any unwanted smells
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sika-Multiseal-Sealing-Self-Adhesive-Flashing-Tape-Band-10m-100mm-lead-look-Roof/361706918206?hash=item543769913e:g:xHUAAOSwHoFXwY3h&frcectupt=true
Needed just over 10 metres from memory
Only smells when you first install it and warm it, we're not talking melting it, just activating the adhesive.
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Quote from: Bossworld on May 29, 2019, 10:26
Crikey that flashing tape is half the price of the stuff I got. I went for Butyl rather than bitumen to avoid any unwanted smells
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sika-Multiseal-Sealing-Self-Adhesive-Flashing-Tape-Band-10m-100mm-lead-look-Roof/361706918206?hash=item543769913e:g:xHUAAOSwHoFXwY3h&frcectupt=true
Needed just over 10 metres from memory
Ta for the heads-up. I checked that link and it did say in the description "Made from aluminium foil reinforced by a polyester film and coated with a cold-adhesive bituminous compound".
Maybe I'm overthinking this, just don't want my car smelling like a building site :rofl
If it's only for the bedding in period, I could always lend the car to my friend for the weekend ha
I think most people are OK with it, I'm just overly sensitive to smells, noise, anything that could irritate me frnakly :P
I'll try and remember to bring a bit to Ding Day and you can have a sniff for yourself.
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D'oh I've just seen I've linked to Sika's bitumen based stuff. All I can say is I paid about £20 for a 10m roll of the butyl stuff.
Quote from: Bossworld on May 29, 2019, 11:27
D'oh I've just seen I've linked to Sika's bitumen based stuff. All I can say is I paid about £20 for a 10m roll of the butyl stuff.
Do you need a lie down??
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on May 29, 2019, 11:33
Quote from: Bossworld on May 29, 2019, 11:27
D'oh I've just seen I've linked to Sika's bitumen based stuff. All I can say is I paid about £20 for a 10m roll of the butyl stuff.
Do you need a lie down??
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I'm going to extrapolate that the butyl stuff does funny things to the mind ;D
I'll give them both a sniff and let you guys know which is the "good sh1t" :D
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Just arrived [emoji108]
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Lovely. That's not what I have though so can't help you with installation advice [emoji23]
Mine is a Kenwood sc 11, flat and rectangular.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on May 29, 2019, 14:35
Lovely. That's not what I have though so can't help you with installation advice [emoji23]
Mine is a Kenwood sc 11, flat and rectangular.
I'll find a way, somehow! Bloody thing is heavy ... don't want this falling on shins!
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Another much welcome arrival today [emoji108]
Just need to source the soundproofing materials now and some time to do it. Probably next weekend if I can make enough progress boxing stuff up to move house.
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Rerouting some of the cables so took the chance to take a better pic.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on May 30, 2019, 14:44
Rerouting some of the cables so took the chance to take a better pic.
Thanks! That's very helpful. The very definition of "Belt and braces"!
If you don't mind, could you also pls send me the full size images (pm/email/whatevs)? I don't know why this forum enable us to attach the full size image and have a small thumbnail inline with the post ... Shnazzle!? It's a problem I've come across on here a couple times viewing useful information but accompanied by small downsized images (and not the fault of the poster)
Pm incoming. Be prepared to get a bit contorted though, I've left the seat in today to save time.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190530/8ea3f69e0cb3f371a56affdde3cd8963.jpg)
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Heh, think I'll be taking the seat out at the very least!
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Btw nice combats [emoji1787]
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Quote from: househead on May 30, 2019, 21:52
Btw nice combats [emoji1787]
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Cheers. They're re from my time in Nam but I don't like to talk about it.
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So I fitted the cheap Kenwoods into mr doors and the sound is well better!
First took plastic door panels off and used B&Q flashing tape on inside of door. Didn't go wild but I put plenty down. Tested sound by knocking on/around each door. Sounds solid now and not like a tin can [emoji122]. Dirty job tho, so use gloves.
Butchered and binned the original speakers to reuse mounts, and my dremel collet nut in the process (metal too close to other metal)[emoji2357] Used the wrong cutting wheel too. Nevermind. Job done anyway and have another collet nut.
For the tweeter I just ripped the old one off and stuck the new one on with blue tack at first to test it then silicon sealant.
Used the wires that came with the speakers and the passive crossover it came with. Ripped up but not out the old connectors. Left the unused tweeter one in but could have removed it.
Couldn't be bothered with soldering so I used wagos and wrapped em up in tape (red of course cos it's a red edition). Taped up some other bits and used some cable ties.
Used a bit of silicon sealant under each door panel pin as they might be prone to rattling around.
Some pics...
Old mount, old speaker
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Old mount, new speaker
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Mounted tweeter
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Both speakers mounted before the plastic went back on
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Sealant
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Retainer clips with some sealant
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Well done
Quote from: 1979scotte on June 4, 2019, 06:03
Well done
Cheers mate. Next for the sub! Probably stick it behind passenger seat for now (though my missus is quite tall). Eventually I'll get it under the dash but need to fathom it a little first.
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A job well done, I've always been surprised how much improvement the flash tape alone makes.
Underdash sub would get my vote, the best sound and no loss of space.
Quote from: s12vea on June 4, 2019, 20:07
Underdash sub would get my vote, the best sound and no loss of space.
Aye, just need to fashion some brackets and attempt it when I've got time to pull the seat out and make all the wiring nice.
Managed to get a Sony RM-X2S remote on the bay of fleas. £29 used. Looks like it comes with the bracket. No idea what the diff between the X2S and the X4S but the latter is being sold 2nd hand at silly prices. Hopefully can assign one of the buttons to CarPlay/Siri on the Sony HU.
Found this detail on an ICE forum, not sure if it will be of any help with reassigning the buttons for you:
OK everyone ive done the checks on my Rmx2s (The rmx4s i guess will be the same) and here are the button resistance values of the buttons to get everything to work. Ive noted the exact resistance of each button as it was on my multimeter and i have no idea how exact they have to be for the head unit to recognise the correct button.The plug looks like a standard stereo earphone jack and ive called the connections "TIP,Middle and base,when you look at the jack youll see what i mean.Of course up and down will depend on what side your remote setup has been set to on your head unit.
ALL THE NEXT BUTTONS WERE MEASURED BETWEEN TIP AND BASE:
VOLUME UP 16.9K OHMS
VOLUME DOWN 23.7K
TRACK UP 8.88K
TRACK DOWN 12.15K
SOURCE 2.2K
OFF 20 OHMS
MUTE 4.45K
button next to off 6.65k
button next to mute 33.6k
button at base of rmx 47.9k
FOR "DISC UP" (in a changer) YOU NEED:
8.8K tip to base AND>>> 9.2 ohms from middle to base
FRO DISC DOWN:
12.15k tip to base AND>>> 9.2 ohms, middle to base.
Now you can repair that remote of yours now that you know what the resistances are
No real difference between X2S and X4S, possibly the sticky labels but think that's it.
I'm banking on the Remote>Custom menu in the head-unit to do the hard work. I'm sure that button specific resistance stuff might well be useful to someone though. I'm hoping all my buttons work and with it being a Sony remote not much frigging about.
So yesterday my Used Sony RM-X2S arrived in the post. It's not in perfect condition (didn't expect it to be), but after an ISO wash and some crud-picking work with some toothpicks, I gave it a quick test on the headunit. All the buttons are working, plus it didn't need any extra setup to be useful.
The button marked "SEL" brings up Siri on CarPlay, and now using the "DISP" button, I'm able to fully turn off the display and still have music/Nav running in the background. Didn't find a way to do that without the remote. Very handy.
It came with the mounting block but no screws so I'll dig some out and an adhesive pad and fit this later today to the left side of the steering wheel below the indicator stalk. First impressions are this is well worth the £30ish for a used item. Much less reaching down and around the gear stick makes me a happy chappy!
Also, I installed the Sub last week, behind the passenger seat for now. It's just stuck on with strong Velcro currently, so I need to drill some holes and secure it properly methinks
There is a little thing called a fuel tank on the other side of that passenger panel. Watch out!
Velcro, blue-tac and gaffer tape is all you need!! Lol.
Quote from: StuC on June 12, 2019, 23:10There is a little thing called a fuel tank on the other side of that passenger panel. Watch out!
Velcro, blue-tac and gaffer tape is all you need!! Lol.
Haha yea don't wanna be drilling into that bad boy!
Anyone got these ? or think there worth buying? i've looked at kenwood and jbl etc speakers but i just like that these are orange even though you won't see it lol + there around the same price as the kenwoods and other similar named speakers. worth the gamble?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EDGE-480W-TOTAL-2WAY-6-5-INCH-16-5cm-CAR-DOOR-2WAY-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS-TWEETERS/351860829015?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908131621%26meid%3D06b3c9bb56304e1996f8cf6321fc27d6%26pid%3D100678%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D192895807528%26itm%3D351860829015&_trksid=p2481888.c100678.m3607&_trkparms=pageci%3A3bd73878-9929-11e9-a7e1-74dbd180b7ec%7Cparentrq%3A9b03146816b0aad98ed8624dffa8a67c%7Ciid%3A1 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EDGE-480W-TOTAL-2WAY-6-5-INCH-16-5cm-CAR-DOOR-2WAY-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS-TWEETERS/351860829015?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908131621%26meid%3D06b3c9bb56304e1996f8cf6321fc27d6%26pid%3D100678%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D192895807528%26itm%3D351860829015&_trksid=p2481888.c100678.m3607&_trkparms=pageci%3A3bd73878-9929-11e9-a7e1-74dbd180b7ec%7Cparentrq%3A9b03146816b0aad98ed8624dffa8a67c%7Ciid%3A1)
I ordered the speakers that i posted above will let you know how they sound when i fit them , also ordered a android head unit as the stock sony is not loud enough for me (sorry stu i only had it fitted for a week or so :) ) i ordered the one below and going to hook it up to a 2tb external hard drive :)
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it was £74 but thats only because i bought it with the toyota wiring kit also(plug and play:) , there on ebay for around £50-60 without the wiring kit, if anyone wants the link to the one i bought with the wiring kit etc just ask :)
@tony=m= No problem maybe hold onto it in case someone else needs it.
Could put it in the freebies section or bring it to the ding day auction next year! ;)
i got the speakers ( them orange things ) quailty looks good not fitted them yet as i was waiting for some sound deading to arrive but that has arrived also now ::) so i just have to make time to fit the things ;)
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link for speakers
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EDGE-480W-TOTAL-2WAY-6-5-INCH-16-5cm-CAR-DOOR-2WAY-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS-TWEETERS/351860829015?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
link for the sound deading
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silent-Coat-2mm-4-Sheets-Car-Van-Deadening-Vibration-Sound-Proofing-Damping-Mat/161525970631?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
This was the best cheap-ish setup 2 years ago: Pioneer MVH-390BT + TS-E171ci
I've done a details write-up on it before, but prices have probably changed and I think the headunit has been superseded.... have a dig through the this section for it, but I can't find it on a quick search.
Headunit (MVH-390BT) was picked because it is VERY small and light (about a quarter of the size and weight of the fisherprice unit)... all I wanted was a decent integrated MOSFET amp and Bluetooth+AUX in (USB optional). The 4x50W that it has actually does 2x20W RMS at a very respectable THD - note that this is ONLY if you're running two channels!
It also does a pre-amp out if you still want to run a sub and are remote stalks available for most of those Pioneer headunits.
Speakers were picked because I'd prefer to do without a sub, if I can: the ones I went for (TS-E171ci) 17cm components give a proper active crossover box, mounted in the door and really good bass response, so less need for a separate sub.
Only other items I needed were:
1) a small 2x30cmx30cm pack of Dynamat Ultimate
2) plastic mountings for the speakers (they were the stock Aygo/YAris items - I can't recall).
3) a set of plugs to connect the stock wiring into the crossover line in - a little lazy, but useful if you ever want to disconnect doorcards!
4) Halfords 1-DIN conversion kit and plastic surrounds.
All details / part numbers (where available) are in my previous write-up.
If I was buying again and there was an option to get exactly the same, I'd gladly do it... I just moved the exact same kit over to my new MR2.... BUT I was tempted to see if the new compact headunit from Pioneer has bigger buttons - the volume is fine, but I'd like to be able to skip tracks with a physical button rather than the Spotify/Waze App...
Where did you put the flashing tape? I can't see from the pics. I'm planning speaker upgrade myself too.
Quote from: Turbotrucker on October 12, 2019, 14:44Where did you put the flashing tape? I can't see from the pics. I'm planning speaker upgrade myself too.
I did the insides of the insides of the doors ... pull back the yellow plastic stuff while being careful with the sealant and then reach inside the hole to access the innards. It's a pain of a job but it does make a big difference. I may go back and add more. Certainly others have used a lot more putting my half-job to shame!
Flash tape makes the biggest improvement, line the door cards and around the speaker. I'm installing a similar setup in mine next week, I've got vibe 6" coax speakers plus tweeters. Had the same setup in my green car and really lifts the sound.