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Title: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on August 4, 2020, 08:17
Ok time to replace my trusty Federal 595RS-R tyres which ive had on the MR2 since early 2019, paid £260 for full set (195/50-15 & 205/45-16) and they have been great on road and track, rears still have some life but front shoulders are well past there best so need changing, they are being phased out it seems and prices are over £100 more for what is left it seems!...its replacement doesnt offer the same performance and is more money  :(


My car usage is mainly fast/fun road and sprint events with the odd trackday so need a track capable tyre, ideally lots of grip with quick warm up for sprints and enough tread to clear standing water in rare occasion car gets used in the wet, price wise im trying to keep it under £400 for the set and want to tick as many boxes as i can for that, i could switch to 15" front and rear which would bring cost down but decided to stick with stock FL 15/16 setup and run same 195/50-15 front and 205/45-16 rear i have been running.

So all this into consideration below is where im at.

Federal 595RS-R - Price increased and fancy trying something different this time.

Nankang NS-2R (180) - similar price to above but slower to warm up so not as good for sprints, softer compound version not readily available now unfortunately

Nankang AR1 - More than budget and concerned about wet weather/road use with minimal tread

Toyo R888R - tempted but more money than i wanted to spend again and wet weather not to good same as AR1

Yokohama AD08RS - heard nothing but bad from people using these on track, massive step back from older AD08 and AD08R in terms of outright grip

Uniroyal Rainsport5 - Normal road tyres compared to above and while ok for road and trackdays i think the outright grip and soft sidewalls would spoil it on sprint events for me, would like a 2nd set of wheels with them as full wet option though.

So not finding what i wanted from above ive been looking at other options not so well known, ive decided to try some totally unheard of to me (any many others i imagine!) Zestino Gredge 07RS as per pic and link below, reading and watching reviews i think these could be what i want, soft compound for quick warm up, faster laptimes than AR1 and R888R but with more tread if there is some water so hopefully clear it better than both those making better for road use.

Spotted them on demon tweeks site which got me researching and then ordered direct from European distributor in Netherlands, will report back once i get them on car and hoping for good things.

https://www.zestino.eu/en/gredge-07rs/ (https://www.zestino.eu/en/gredge-07rs/)

Pic of what they look like...

(https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1gzWlfOCYBuNkHFCcq6AHtVXaz.jpg)


Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: JB21 on August 4, 2020, 09:28
Have a look at these as well mate. Come in soft compound too.

https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/maxsport-rb5-tarmac-rally-tyre-247193/
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on August 4, 2020, 09:37
Quote from: JB21 on August  4, 2020, 09:28Have a look at these as well mate. Come in soft compound too.

https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/maxsport-rb5-tarmac-rally-tyre-247193/

Ive looked at them but im not a fan of remoulds and the Extreme tyres i was also looking (forgot to add to list) are same, usually ok unless you get a bad carcass of which you have no control, if i had another set of wheels just for them might be worth trying but i wouldnt want to use them as a road tyre, i had some similar Pirelli rally tyres on my old Evo and they were awesome in dry but not so much in wet with no drainage grooves and also very noisy!
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: JB21 on August 4, 2020, 09:40
Here you go @thetyrant , Kumho V70a. 225 rears but one the best all-round semi slicks you'll find. These really will give you an edge on track.

I've used the seller many times and he's very reliable. You'll get these for £400 delivered with best offer.


225/45/16

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283908691202

195/50/15

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274444891226

My old Celica 190 on them keeping a 300hp Megan honest

Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: Gaz2405 on August 4, 2020, 09:53
This is why I'm considering going to a square 15" set up for cheap slicks.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on August 4, 2020, 10:20
Quote from: JB21 on August  4, 2020, 09:40Here you go @thetyrant , Kumho V70a. 225 rears but one the best all-round semi slicks you'll find. These really will give you an edge on track.

I've used the seller many times and he's very reliable. You'll get these for £400 delivered with best offer.


225/45/16

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283908691202

195/50/15

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274444891226


V70s are awesome tyres but not E-marked seller says which is odd as thought they were, if not then cant use in the Javelin sprints.

Ive ordered the Zestinos Gredge07RS now for £360 delivered including CC charges etc so will hopefully soon find out what they are like, from what ive seen they are better than AR1 and R888R in the dry for lap time, feedback and heatcycling etc, not seen a wet weather comparison but hopefully be better due to more tread for water dispersal, they also offer a harder compound called Acrova 07A which are good bit cheaper and probably about same as my Federal RSR's but fancied trying softs see what they are like :D

Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: JB21 on August 4, 2020, 10:43
Quote from: thetyrant on August  4, 2020, 10:20
Quote from: JB21 on August  4, 2020, 09:40Here you go @thetyrant , Kumho V70a. 225 rears but one the best all-round semi slicks you'll find. These really will give you an edge on track.

I've used the seller many times and he's very reliable. You'll get these for £400 delivered with best offer.


225/45/16

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283908691202

195/50/15

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274444891226


V70s are awesome tyres but not E-marked seller says which is odd as thought they were, if not then cant use in the Javelin sprints.

Ive ordered the Zestinos Gredge07RS now for £360 delivered including CC charges etc so will hopefully soon find out what they are like, from what ive seen they are better than AR1 and R888R in the dry for lap time, feedback and heatcycling etc, not seen a wet weather comparison but hopefully be better due to more tread for water dispersal, they also offer a harder compound called Acrova 07A which are good bit cheaper and probably about same as my Federal RSR's but fancied trying softs see what they are like :D



Shame they don't do anything wider than 205 in 15s as the tests seem encouraging.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on August 4, 2020, 12:16
Quote from: JB21 on August  4, 2020, 10:43Shame they don't do anything wider than 205 in 15s as the tests seem encouraging.

Yes sizes are a bit limited and just glad they do the same as i have been running so i can try them back to back, if they are better than my RSR's (which they should be going on spec and tests) i will be happy enough :)   i doubt lifespan will be as good as its 140 treadwear vs 220 on the Federals but hopefully not too bad, the Federals have done me well for lifespan with quite a few trackdays and sprints last year as well asabout 9k road miles, still plenty legal tread wise just n/s outer and o/s inner shoulders have got very low with all the righthanders!

Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on August 7, 2020, 15:24
Well the Zestino Gredge 07RS have just arrived!, hopefully get them fitted this weekend and report back :)

zestino07rs.jpg
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on August 8, 2020, 10:47
At tyre fitter now he is complaining about how stiff sidewall is, at least as stiff as run flats were his words!  Bodes well for feel at least :)
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: Gaz2405 on August 8, 2020, 11:10
Be interested in hearing your thoughts on them.

I'm looking at going 15x7 all round for tyre choice.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on August 8, 2020, 14:49
Ok 20 miles on them just now and all is well :)  in terms of feel they remind me of the original AD08 i ran on the Evo many years ago!  its early to say much more as was mostly just pottering and doing some datalogs etc but feel very grippy so far with nice firm turn in etc

I was a bit concerned about the tyre dates as front are early 2020 but rears early 2019 so they are over a year old! visually and to the touch the rears looked/felt harder but after the above miles they all feel/look the same so hopefully be ok once i start to push them, usually takes a couple of years for soft tyres to start to degrade with age in my previous experience so shouldnt be an issue with them.

Will report back with more miles/abuse but so far all is well :D
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: shnazzle on August 8, 2020, 14:57
Quote from: thetyrant on August  8, 2020, 14:49Ok 20 miles on them just now and all is well :)  in terms of feel they remind me of the original AD08 i ran on the Evo many years ago!  its early to say much more as was mostly just pottering and doing some datalogs etc but feel very grippy so far with nice firm turn in etc

I was a bit concerned about the tyre dates as front are early 2020 but rears early 2019 so they are over a year old! visually and to the touch the rears looked/felt harder but after the above miles they all feel/look the same so hopefully be ok once i start to push them, usually takes a couple of years for soft tyres to start to degrade with age in my previous experience so shouldnt be an issue with them.

Will report back with more miles/abuse but so far all is well :D
Definitely interested in the wetter/ older review when available
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: Gregmorse on August 8, 2020, 15:03
How did test drive go?
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: Gregmorse on August 8, 2020, 15:04
Oops posted that on an unrefreshed page....good to hear you had positive experience so far
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: JB21 on August 8, 2020, 15:09
They'll feel better still once they've had a proper heat cycle and all the release agent has burnt off.

I've used 10 year old r888s so a year old shouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on August 8, 2020, 19:59
Few more miles on this evening and grip seems pretty epic!  they feel like a cross between the old AD08 and a rally slick!  very firm sidewalls and it actually feels like ive stiffened dampers slightly but thankfully not jarring at all on sharper edges, tyre noise not bad and not a lot different to Federal RSR that came off but they were quite worn which makes them worse, with these if you drive over smooth areas of tar where there is no/little amount chippings etc in the tarmac you get the hum like you do with rally slicks :)

Looking forward to trying them in the wet to see what that is like, im expecting them to be pretty reasonable at least while still new as there is plenty of tread and its a soft compound so that generally makes a reasonable wet tyre, until water gets too deep for the tread to clear it, i would think they will be better than the AD08 and R888 in wet but we will see, also cant wait to try them on track but hopefully in the dry first :D
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: BahnStormer on August 12, 2020, 09:37
Looking forward to feedback - I've got a limits day this week to prove suspicions, but I think the AD08RS are my last set of Yoko's until they get back to the AD08R formula.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on August 12, 2020, 09:50
So far im really really impressed and just waiting for some wet weather to see how they clear water, im not expecting miracles but as long as they are safe in the wet im good with that, i would expect them to be similar or slightly better than my old AD08 looking at tread and compound, hoping the softer compound makes them better in wet.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on August 13, 2020, 09:49
Got some wet running on them yesterday after a storm passed through just before i was heading home from work, unfortunately it soon passed over so not the test i was hoping for but roads were still pretty wet with lots of puddles/small floods etc, didnt get huge amount of miles on but grip was good and water dispersal much better then the half worn Federal RSR they have replaced, i no longer have to fear puddles like i did on the Federals for last few months!  in fact i ended up purposely aiming for them yesterday to see how these tyres coped and was pleasantly surprised not to have any scary moments, well i had  one when road was flooded right across in a hidden dip but no worse than the Michelins on my BMW would of dealt with it.

Of course weather is warm so that helps from compound point of view and will be interesting to see when temps start to drop how they do, based on findings so far i think we will be ok as i tend to drive to conditions so if cold/wet i dont push on and feel they will be better than federals anyhow, we will also see if they harden up after some track heat cycles which is why the Federals start to drop off in wet weather as they are pretty good when new.

There is a small roundabout near my home that is very greasy in the wet, often see motorbikes/scooters laying on their side as owners dont realise how slippy it is, previously in teh wet i could do a nice easy and safe slide as i went around to my exit, tried it last night and it barely moved....good and bad to having more grip i guess :D
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: BahnStormer on August 13, 2020, 11:56
looks like the DB could do with a new review?

https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=3313.0

and yes - I'd expect cold+wet performance on a soft compound tyre to degrade a lot more than warm+wet... I always correct people when they say that AD08R's are bad in the wet.... I always found them very good on damp roads... but in the cold - very different! 
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: Petrus on August 14, 2020, 12:56
Quote from: thetyrant on August  4, 2020, 12:16i doubt lifespan will be as good as its 140 treadwear vs 220 on the Federals


The soft NS-2R has(had) 120 and the harder one is 180.

The treadwear index is the best comparison as available for the grip the rubber has.

The trick aspect of compounds is illustrated by the AR-1 which needs rubber temp of 70 degreed C. to get into the grippy zone.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on September 28, 2020, 12:01
Little bit of an update on this one after 1st track event with them at Croft last weekend, it was just a sprint event which is 1 lap from  standing start against the clock, so tyres start off pretty much stone cold and are pushed hard as you can right from the off, this is why i went for the softer of the 2 compounds of these tyres.

It was a damp start to the day and air/track temp was pretty cool as well, track did dry out fully pretty quickly as day went on and afternoon was bone dry but still cold, tyres worked really well and i would say slightly better on 1st half of lap than last time there with my Federal RSR, 2nd half once some heat in them pretty similar feeling and well stuck to the track, although was struggling with loose rear on high speed entry as you come into "Sunny in" on back section, i think this was more down to the rear geo though as i forgot i needed to reset to my usual zero toe setting and was slightly toe out afer having all rear end apart.

Wear wise they looked fine as well which was good, was concerned they were too soft and would of melted but all looked fine.

Overall im happy with the tyres but would like to try on track in wet conditions to see how that goes, ive had no issues on wet roads even when very wet but i dont like to push car on road like i would on track.  Also a full trackday would be good rather than a sprint but not sure when i will get one of those sorted, i am at another sprint in a couple of weeks at Cadwell though.



Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: AdamR28 on September 28, 2020, 12:12
Thanks for the info Ian, good to hear you're enjoying them!

Any tyre that has 'Lightning Groove can not only insure broadwise's tenacity, but also show special of pattern' in the marketing blurb gets my vote :D

Are you all booked for Cadders in the MR2 then?
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on September 28, 2020, 12:35
Quote from: AdamR28 on September 28, 2020, 12:12Thanks for the info Ian, good to hear you're enjoying them!

Any tyre that has 'Lightning Groove can not only insure broadwise's tenacity, but also show special of pattern' in the marketing blurb gets my vote :D

Are you all booked for Cadders in the MR2 then?

Yes some interesting jibber these companies come up with lol :)

Im booked on in the MR2 yes so fingers crossed im there in it!, got MOT this week so just waiting on that really as im going to hold off starting turbo conversion until after Caddy, if i run into issues with mot i will bring the BM 130i instead but hopefully all is ok.



Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on October 29, 2020, 11:02
Quick update after a first trackday on these yesterday at Croft, it was cold and slightly damp to start the day with leaves and things on back of track so didnt push too hard until the dry line got a bit wider!, the damp running i did do they felt easily controllable on both braking and cornering,  by afternoon track was fully dry and i was able to punish the tyres with very good grip levels and feedback.

I was concerned about melting them as they are meant to "soft" compound but i think more a medium really as they held up very well, i only do 5-7 lap sessions so maybe someone who does longer sessions might have issues and be better with the harder compound but these seemed pretty durable, i will get a better look at them once all the picked up rubber from trackday wears off and i can see condition but inital inspection they looked fine and outer shoulders not overly scrubbed off.

All in all i would recommend these for high performance road and trackday/sprint use :D
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: BahnStormer on October 30, 2020, 23:51
Quote from: thetyrant on October 29, 2020, 11:02Quick update after a first trackday on these yesterday at Croft, it was cold and slightly damp to start the day with leaves and things on back of track so didnt push too hard until the dry line got a bit wider!, the damp running i did do they felt easily controllable on both braking and cornering,  by afternoon track was fully dry and i was able to punish the tyres with very good grip levels and feedback.

I was concerned about melting them as they are meant to "soft" compound but i think more a medium really as they held up very well, i only do 5-7 lap sessions so maybe someone who does longer sessions might have issues and be better with the harder compound but these seemed pretty durable, i will get a better look at them once all the picked up rubber from trackday wears off and i can see condition but inital inspection they looked fine and outer shoulders not overly scrubbed off.

All in all i would recommend these for high performance road and trackday/sprint use :D

and that's these ones? "Zestino Gredge 07RS"
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on October 31, 2020, 09:07
Quote from: BahnStormer on October 30, 2020, 23:51and that's these ones? "Zestino Gredge 07RS"

Yes thats what ive got fitted :D
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on March 15, 2021, 08:22
Been awhile since i updated this as my MR2 has be sorn and in garage since end of November :(  i bought an old Honda CRV for winter duties but that is now gone along with hopefully worst of winter weather so MR2 is back out garage and on the road :D

1st up I had forgotten how much fun these cars are to drive! even in some very wet and cold conditions i faced this weekend the Zestino tyres were awesome on some very wet local A & B roads, way better than the older Yokohama AD08 i ran on another car which i would say is most similar thing to these Zestinos, as in a road tyre that can handle track heat, the water dispersal on these is way better feeling much less skitish even on the light front end of these cars, while yes on big puddles they did start to plane a little i think no more so than the Michelin PS4 on my BMW would and at normal/safe speeds no issue what so ever with deeper water, i was pushing on a little a few times to try and get a better feel for the wet limits but once slowed down no worries about the puddles :D

There was some concern about rubber going hard after been sat unused for 3 months or so but still feels just as good as when it went in garage despite the cold/wet weather, also im interested to see how more track heat cycles affect the rubber as that is often the big difference with the cheaper track tyre which start to harden up much quicker than a more premium brand ime, we will see after some more track miles when i get chance to get it out again.

So anyone looking for a high performance tyre without breaking the bank with excellent dry grip and respectable wet grip i would totally recommend these, and no i wasnt paid or given these tyres to say that :D
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: 1979scotte on March 15, 2021, 09:07
Quote from: thetyrant on March 15, 2021, 08:22Been awhile since i updated this as my MR2 has be sorn and in garage since end of November :(  i bought an old Honda CRV for winter duties but that is now gone along with hopefully worst of winter weather so MR2 is back out garage and on the road :D

1st up I had forgotten how much fun these cars are to drive! even in some very wet and cold conditions i faced this weekend the Zestino tyres were awesome on some very wet local A & B roads, way better than the older Yokohama AD08 i ran on another car which i would say is most similar thing to these Zestinos, as in a road tyre that can handle track heat, the water dispersal on these is way better feeling much less skitish even on the light front end of these cars, while yes on big puddles they did start to plane a little i think no more so than the Michelin PS4 on my BMW would and at normal/safe speeds no issue what so ever with deeper water, i was pushing on a little a few times to try and get a better feel for the wet limits but once slowed down no worries about the puddles :D

There was some concern about rubber going hard after been sat unused for 3 months or so but still feels just as good as when it went in garage despite the cold/wet weather, also im interested to see how more track heat cycles affect the rubber as that is often the big difference with the cheaper track tyre which start to harden up much quicker than a more premium brand ime, we will see after some more track miles when i get chance to get it out again.

So anyone looking for a high performance tyre without breaking the bank with excellent dry grip and respectable wet grip i would totally recommend these, and no i wasnt paid or given these tyres to say that :D

Time to confess you own the company don't you?
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on March 15, 2021, 11:21
Quote from: 1979scotte on March 15, 2021, 09:07Time to confess you own the company don't you?

Haha i wish :)
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: JB21 on March 15, 2021, 11:25
Quote from: thetyrant on March 15, 2021, 08:22Been awhile since i updated this as my MR2 has be sorn and in garage since end of November :(  i bought an old Honda CRV for winter duties but that is now gone along with hopefully worst of winter weather so MR2 is back out garage and on the road :D

1st up I had forgotten how much fun these cars are to drive! even in some very wet and cold conditions i faced this weekend the Zestino tyres were awesome on some very wet local A & B roads, way better than the older Yokohama AD08 i ran on another car which i would say is most similar thing to these Zestinos, as in a road tyre that can handle track heat, the water dispersal on these is way better feeling much less skitish even on the light front end of these cars, while yes on big puddles they did start to plane a little i think no more so than the Michelin PS4 on my BMW would and at normal/safe speeds no issue what so ever with deeper water, i was pushing on a little a few times to try and get a better feel for the wet limits but once slowed down no worries about the puddles :D

There was some concern about rubber going hard after been sat unused for 3 months or so but still feels just as good as when it went in garage despite the cold/wet weather, also im interested to see how more track heat cycles affect the rubber as that is often the big difference with the cheaper track tyre which start to harden up much quicker than a more premium brand ime, we will see after some more track miles when i get chance to get it out again.

So anyone looking for a high performance tyre without breaking the bank with excellent dry grip and respectable wet grip i would totally recommend these, and no i wasnt paid or given these tyres to say that :D

Looked at these before purchasing a set of MRF ZTR's. The lack of decent stagger killed the idea. 195/205 in 15" only.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on March 15, 2021, 12:53
Quote from: JB21 on March 15, 2021, 11:25Looked at these before purchasing a set of MRF ZTR's. The lack of decent stagger killed the idea. 195/205 in 15" only.

Yes lack of sizes is only issue really but i got lucky they did sizes i wanted :), i hope you get on better with the MRF than last person i spoke to with them, although to be fair he was sprinting so not same as trackdays etc, he just couldnt get any heat into them and even after 2 hard laps of 3sisters they were barely warm and very slidey!, few more laps they would of come on im sure though :)
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: 1979scotte on March 15, 2021, 14:25
Quote from: thetyrant on March 15, 2021, 12:53
Quote from: JB21 on March 15, 2021, 11:25Looked at these before purchasing a set of MRF ZTR's. The lack of decent stagger killed the idea. 195/205 in 15" only.

Yes lack of sizes is only issue really but i got lucky they did sizes i wanted :), i hope you get on better with the MRF than last person i spoke to with them, although to be fair he was sprinting so not same as trackdays etc, he just couldnt get any heat into them and even after 2 hard laps of 3sisters they were barely warm and very slidey!, few more laps they would of come on im sure though :)

Quote from: JB21 on March 15, 2021, 11:25
Quote from: thetyrant on March 15, 2021, 08:22Been awhile since i updated this as my MR2 has be sorn and in garage since end of November :(  i bought an old Honda CRV for winter duties but that is now gone along with hopefully worst of winter weather so MR2 is back out garage and on the road :D

1st up I had forgotten how much fun these cars are to drive! even in some very wet and cold conditions i faced this weekend the Zestino tyres were awesome on some very wet local A & B roads, way better than the older Yokohama AD08 i ran on another car which i would say is most similar thing to these Zestinos, as in a road tyre that can handle track heat, the water dispersal on these is way better feeling much less skitish even on the light front end of these cars, while yes on big puddles they did start to plane a little i think no more so than the Michelin PS4 on my BMW would and at normal/safe speeds no issue what so ever with deeper water, i was pushing on a little a few times to try and get a better feel for the wet limits but once slowed down no worries about the puddles :D

There was some concern about rubber going hard after been sat unused for 3 months or so but still feels just as good as when it went in garage despite the cold/wet weather, also im interested to see how more track heat cycles affect the rubber as that is often the big difference with the cheaper track tyre which start to harden up much quicker than a more premium brand ime, we will see after some more track miles when i get chance to get it out again.

So anyone looking for a high performance tyre without breaking the bank with excellent dry grip and respectable wet grip i would totally recommend these, and no i wasnt paid or given these tyres to say that :D

Looked at these before purchasing a set of MRF ZTR's. The lack of decent stagger killed the idea. 195/205 in 15" only.

It's tempting to try on my pfl alloys.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: JB21 on March 15, 2021, 14:26
Quote from: thetyrant on March 15, 2021, 12:53
Quote from: JB21 on March 15, 2021, 11:25Looked at these before purchasing a set of MRF ZTR's. The lack of decent stagger killed the idea. 195/205 in 15" only.

Yes lack of sizes is only issue really but i got lucky they did sizes i wanted :), i hope you get on better with the MRF than last person i spoke to with them, although to be fair he was sprinting so not same as trackdays etc, he just couldnt get any heat into them and even after 2 hard laps of 3sisters they were barely warm and very slidey!, few more laps they would of come on im sure though :)

Yeah done the research beforehand and this was the only downside, but the upside is they last ages and once up to temp the window of peak grip stays open much longer, compared to the AR1's they're replacing.

I was going to sell my wets with Rainsports on, but these are being kept now as the MRF's wont be any good in damp/wet/cold conditions on the road or track.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: pistol pete on March 16, 2021, 06:31
Another vote for the V70a Kumhos, I ran them on my mk2, but they don't do the sizes i/we want for the mk3.. but they are a mega tyre!!

Be interested to see how you get on with these new ones, i have r888r which i ran last year for track days, for the sprints i am going to try the A052s
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: Madeinwigan on February 3, 2023, 10:19
A bit of an update on this set of tyres.

I bought the car off thetyrant, it's a fantastic car and a credit to him. I went to Oulton Park last December for my first track day in the car.

I was very happy with the tyres, they had good grip and the breakaway was progressive. I did start to feel vibrations as the day went on and there were some strange noises coming from the tyres. Once back in the pits I could see a few long, thin strips of tread coming off the tyres which is something I'd not experienced before.

There was still plenty of tread left on the tyres and apart from the vibrations the grip was still good. A couple of session in and I was going round Druids, a challenging corner at the best of times, when the n/s rear tyre let go.

I limped back the the pits and was surprised to find that the inner edge had been destroyed in at least three places. The front n/s tyre was showing signs of delaminating as well.

I'd have been happy to buy another set of them until the puncture but I'll try another brand now.
(https://i.ibb.co/6FqJL82/3514-D228-DA98-4-A34-AC43-88-DAE7835-D0-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6FqJL82)

(https://i.ibb.co/kKPCD85/0908-BD8-C-9111-4-D02-A990-AD8-BA320-E77-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kKPCD85)
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: AJRFulton on February 3, 2023, 10:49
You're not the first person I've seen report similar with Zestino tyres, albeit first in an MR2.

Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: JB21 on February 3, 2023, 10:51
What camber is/was the car running? I've delaminated plenty of tyres running inadequate negative camber. MK3 needs at least -2.5mm for track work and even tyre wear.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: Madeinwigan on February 3, 2023, 12:06
I've no idea what camber I have, the wear on the tyres is even and doesn't suggest that it's been working the insides too hard.
(https://i.ibb.co/pLLgZkj/BC8-A823-F-B243-4072-9670-7-DEAE9-EEB03-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pLLgZkj)

(https://i.ibb.co/d536Lc2/BEFD03-FD-3623-4916-AD98-4-A25-C5-CF8-E41.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d536Lc2)
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: thetyrant on February 3, 2023, 15:16
OH hell that is not a pretty site!   glad you managed to keep it out the armco though, i guess cheap tyres are that for a reason but the grip vs ££ on the zestinos was very impressive shame they didnt last, i cant remember how much track work i did with them, think i was couple of sprints and half a trackday before a monsoon came in as well as good few road miles, i will have a record of mileage they were fitted though so let me know what its done now i can compare.

Good to hear car is still being enjoyed though, another i should of kept really!
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: Madeinwigan on February 3, 2023, 17:22
I've done three track days with the car, two at Oulton and one at Donington. I only used the Zestinos for one day, about 20 or so laps before it popped. They were good while they lasted.

I've really enjoyed the old road tyres, the way the car moves around with them fitted is great fun.

I can see why you regret selling it, great news is that there's still loads left! I must admit that I hadn't been convinced by MR2's on the road but I can't get over how much fun they are on track, my friend enjoyed it so much that he's bought one as well!
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: JB21 on February 9, 2023, 16:24
Ive been in search for the holy grail tyre, the one that can do all and the closest ive found is the Yokohama A052. Fantastic in the dry, good in the cold, damp, light rain, and even OK in heavy rain if you have tread remaining. You can even rotate them front to back, side to side if all the same size.
Title: Re: High performance/trackday/sprint tyres
Post by: AJRFulton on February 13, 2023, 07:15
I'd agree the A052 is about as close to the perfect universal tyre as you will get.

It is IMO the best list 1a/b/c tyre on a damp or patchy track, it's probably the best on a cold day, and near the best on a dry track in summer. It works ok as an intermediate, and it is only full wet weather when it starts coming unstuck - but even then it's not awful.

If you only had 1 set of track day wheels, it's 100% the tyre I'd say to fit to them.

I do wonder why nobody really makes an intermediate track tyre. Toyo made them with the R1R, but they were discontinued 3yrs ago.