Has anyone refurbished their front lower control arms with new bushes?
Achievable with clamps and hammers, or proper press required?
It's quite expensive to buy new arms, but only £55 for the bushes.
I bought a pair from the states for not much more than bushes.
I know it says 'Scion' but they are identical!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Lower-Control-Arm-Left-LH-Right-RH-Pair-Set-for-MR2-Scion-xA-xB-/351007624127?hash=item51b9af4bbf
Quote from: Carolyn on August 18, 2018, 11:51
I know it says 'Scion' but they are identical!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Lower-Control-Arm-Left-LH-Right-RH-Pair-Set-for-MR2-Scion-xA-xB-/351007624127?hash=item51b9af4bbf
I did the same. I brought the bushes and then saw these arms. I ordered them and they were delivered in just under a week and fitted perfectly. I was going to strip the old arms but ended up just chucking them.
Not to hijack the thread but I have brand new arms and bushes to go on but want to replace with polybushes that I have.
Is there a method to swap the bushes without a press?
Seriously fancy a set of those arms. But if the front had fresh, the rear would need fresh. That then becomes expensive for the same reason. You cannot just get fresh stock rubber bushes.
And i dont want poly.
I bought the same ones from the states when I saw the price and they're on the shelf for future use, apparently the same year Yaris ones now fit and can be had for £35 ...
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Sold! Thanks, glad I asked.
Now to hope I don't get stung on any import duty.
Oh... you pre-pay import duty at the checkout :( damn. If I'd known last week I'd have picked them up in the USA and save $50
Quote from: Call the midlife! on August 18, 2018, 14:37
I bought the same ones from the states when I saw the price and they're on the shelf for future use, apparently the same year Yaris ones now fit and can be had for £35 ...
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Is this the case? Either a well kept secret or there must be some differences, otherwise why would the mr2 ones command such a premium?
Quote from: McMr2 on August 21, 2018, 13:28
Quote from: Call the midlife! on August 18, 2018, 14:37
I bought the same ones from the states when I saw the price and they're on the shelf for future use, apparently the same year Yaris ones now fit and can be had for £35 ...
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Is this the case? Either a well kept secret or there must be some differences, otherwise why would the mr2 ones command such a premium?
It's oft quoted on the Facebook group by at least one long time owner and dismantler of 2s.
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Not so sure about the Yaris ones.
The Scion ones are definitely the same. I've got a pair and they do match up.
I've downloaded pictures of all three and can't see a difference
Just to add, I ordered similar items a few year back, albeit Blueprint branded. When they arrived they had Blueprint stickers pasted over Toyota OEM stickers.
If that doesn't tell you how much mark up they put on parts, I don't know what does!
Quote from: Carolyn on August 21, 2018, 14:01
Not so sure about the Yaris ones.
The Scion ones are definitely the same. I've got a pair and they do match up.
I've downloaded pictures of all three and can't see a difference
Maybe a slightly different pressing but the orientation all looks the same, it was Dongle Sloan that I first saw mention it. More or less after I'd just got the ones from the States...
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I couldn't find anyone that had actually fitted the Yaris ones. That was the hard stop on it for me.
The danger of a fast moving page like Facebook is that it's more difficult to search for things and stuff quickly becomes apocryphal.
There must be part numbers somewhere.
My concern is more about if the rubber has different ratings on diff cars.
This could be real or imagined of course.
Quote from: Ardent on August 21, 2018, 16:59
There must be part numbers somewhere.
My concern is more about if the rubber has different ratings on diff cars.
This could be real or imagined of course.
This was my only concern but I'm replacing with polybush anyway.
I asked on the fb as a confirmation and at least two people said they had fitted them.
But you are correct. If one person on this club had said it m, it would hold much more weight and at least be documented properly.
Just a note. Go on mr2 fb page and search for Yaris. You'll find the confirmation on there.
For what it's worth the photo of the Yaris arm differs from the Scion and MR 2 photos in the area of the "conical" bush the metal is formed differently.
This would mean that at least two types of arms were produced. Other differences would need to be seen / measured to determine.
Quote from: dan944 on August 21, 2018, 17:03
Just a note. Go on mr2 fb page and search for Yaris. You'll find the confirmation on there.
There's a post from 2016 saying that there are two types for Yaris, and another poster in the same thread saying they're not the same but very similar.
I hasten to add I've nothing against different sites but I just couldn't find a conclusive 'yes I've done it' back in May 2017. If someone has done it since then happy days as they're a considerable saving even over the import Scion ones.
Edit: Idiot me was the last replier in the thread from earlier this year where the two people said they did work ::)
Quote from: Bossworld on August 21, 2018, 18:08
Quote from: dan944 on August 21, 2018, 17:03
Just a note. Go on mr2 fb page and search for Yaris. You'll find the confirmation on there.
There's a post from 2016 saying that there are two types for Yaris, and another poster in the same thread saying they're not the same but very similar.
I hasten to add I've nothing against different sites but I just couldn't find a conclusive 'yes I've done it' back in May 2017. If someone has done it since then happy days as they're a considerable saving even over the import Scion ones.
That's the problem with the fb page I think. It's hard to pinpoint what you need at the time you need it.
16th of may this year was the post I referred to. Little after you needed the advice unfortunately:(.
I was willing to take the punt for £45 or whatever I paid. The same as my £44 pair shocks :)
Quote from: Bossworld on August 21, 2018, 18:08
Quote from: dan944 on August 21, 2018, 17:03
Just a note. Go on mr2 fb page and search for Yaris. You'll find the confirmation on there.
There's a post from 2016 saying that there are two types for Yaris, and another poster in the same thread saying they're not the same but very similar.
I hasten to add I've nothing against different sites but I just couldn't find a conclusive 'yes I've done it' back in May 2017. If someone has done it since then happy days as they're a considerable saving even over the import Scion ones.
That's the problem with the fb page I think. It's hard to pinpoint what you need at the time you need it.
16th of may this year was the post I referred to. Little after you needed the advice unfortunately:(.
I was willing to take the punt for £45 or whatever I paid. The same as my £44 pair shocks :)
Quote from: dan944 on August 21, 2018, 18:12
Quote from: Bossworld on August 21, 2018, 18:08
Quote from: dan944 on August 21, 2018, 17:03
Just a note. Go on mr2 fb page and search for Yaris. You'll find the confirmation on there.
There's a post from 2016 saying that there are two types for Yaris, and another poster in the same thread saying they're not the same but very similar.
I hasten to add I've nothing against different sites but I just couldn't find a conclusive 'yes I've done it' back in May 2017. If someone has done it since then happy days as they're a considerable saving even over the import Scion ones.
That's the problem with the fb page I think. It's hard to pinpoint what you need at the time you need it.
16th of may this year was the post I referred to. Little after you needed the advice unfortunately:(.
I was willing to take the punt for £45 or whatever I paid. The same as my £44 pair shocks :)
I just searched for it after you referenced it and I was the last person to reply in the 2018 one lol. Back to sleep for me
Quote from: Bossworld on August 21, 2018, 18:08
Quote from: dan944 on August 21, 2018, 17:03
Just a note. Go on mr2 fb page and search for Yaris. You'll find the confirmation on there.
There's a post from 2016 saying that there are two types for Yaris, and another poster in the same thread saying they're not the same but very similar.
I hasten to add I've nothing against different sites but I just couldn't find a conclusive 'yes I've done it' back in May 2017. If someone has done it since then happy days as they're a considerable saving even over the import Scion ones.
That's the problem with the fb page I think. It's hard to pinpoint what you need at the time you need it.
16th of may this year was the post I referred to. Little after you needed the advice unfortunately:(.
I was willing to take the punt for £45 or whatever I paid. The same as my £44 pair shocks :)
Hello all.
I may need some of these.
What cheapest I can get and where ?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Lower-Control-Arm-Left-LH-Right-RH-Pair-Set-for-MR2-Scion-xA-xB/371010090639?epid=8020522429&hash=item5661ecb68f:g:gAwAAOSwSbxbSJf3
Even with shipping and taxes, still a deal.
I got mine in less than a week.
Quote from: ilovejapcrap on September 10, 2018, 10:02
Hello all.
I may need some of these.
What cheapest I can get and where ?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Lower-Control-Arm-Left-LH-Right-RH-Pair-Set-for-MR2-Scion-xA-xB-/351007624127?hash=item51b9af4bbf
Still the cheapest option, by quite a margin
Ordered, however thanks to midlife I have them now so can crack on before mine actually arrive
Quote from: ilovejapcrap on September 10, 2018, 22:25
Ordered, however thanks to midlife I have them now so can crack on before mine actually arrive
Fingers crossed you've got "mine" fitted before yours arrive then![emoji23]
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Reading through, it appears that the Yaris ones are OK.
Does anyone have a part number so I can call the dealers?
Banana has just failed her MOT on worn lower arm bushes.
Quote from: StuC on March 19, 2019, 16:36
Reading through, it appears that the Yaris ones are OK.
Does anyone have a part number so I can call the dealers?
Banana has just failed her MOT on worn lower arm bushes.
Thought people were going with the ebay ones
Quote from: 1979scotte on March 19, 2019, 16:59
Quote from: StuC on March 19, 2019, 16:36
Reading through, it appears that the Yaris ones are OK.
Does anyone have a part number so I can call the dealers?
Banana has just failed her MOT on worn lower arm bushes.
Thought people were going with the ebay ones
The USA ones that @Carolyn (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=22891) linked to?
Quote from: Bossworld on August 21, 2018, 18:08
Quote from: dan944 on August 21, 2018, 17:03
Just a note. Go on mr2 fb page and search for Yaris. You'll find the confirmation on there.
There's a post from 2016 saying that there are two types for Yaris, and another poster in the same thread saying they're not the same but very similar.
Quick eBay search shows there is a set with a 12mm bush and another set with a 14mm bush.
Can anyone measure which is likely to match the mr2 ones?
I don't mind having a punt to save £700+ on the mr2 ones.
Would rather order once though if poss.
Quote from: StuC on March 19, 2019, 23:30
Quote from: Bossworld on August 21, 2018, 18:08
Quote from: dan944 on August 21, 2018, 17:03
Just a note. Go on mr2 fb page and search for Yaris. You'll find the confirmation on there.
There's a post from 2016 saying that there are two types for Yaris, and another poster in the same thread saying they're not the same but very similar.
Quick eBay search shows there is a set with a 12mm bush and another set with a 14mm bush.
Can anyone measure which is likely to match the mr2 ones?
I don't mind having a punt to save £700+ on the mr2 ones.
Would rather order once though if poss.
I'm banned from the Facebook group for some reason so can't search it, but these are the ones I bought and I fitted to my car a few months back
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F332659560803
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) are you FL or PFL in this regard?
Quote from: StuC on March 20, 2019, 08:19
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) are you FL or PFL in this regard?
Facelift, 04 plate car
Clicked on that, filled in the compatability chart, said they dont fit mr2 2000 to 2007
Quote from: 105e on March 20, 2019, 10:13
Clicked on that, filled in the compatability chart, said they dont fit mr2 2000 to 2007
Without getting too far into it, that list will be based on the part number. Toyota specify different part numbers for both cars. However, the car sat in my garage at this minute in time, has Yaris arms fitted to it. Held up against each other, they looked identical. Other people have reported success with the Scion arms, which is the US equivalent of that era Yaris.
There may be a difference, there may not be. For £40 I am happy.
https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=66556.0
Quote from: 105e on March 20, 2019, 10:13
Clicked on that, filled in the compatability chart, said they dont fit mr2 2000 to 2007
Pay no attention to ebay.
Loads of things aren't listed correctly.
Quote from: Bossworld on March 20, 2019, 09:13
Quote from: StuC on March 20, 2019, 08:19
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) are you FL or PFL in this regard?
Facelift, 04 plate car
Does anyone know if there are any differences between PFL and FL for the lower arms? I haven't spotted anything.
Quote from: StuC on March 20, 2019, 12:36
Quote from: Bossworld on March 20, 2019, 09:13
Quote from: StuC on March 20, 2019, 08:19
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) are you FL or PFL in this regard?
Facelift, 04 plate car
Does anyone know if there are any differences between PFL and FL for the lower arms? I haven't spotted anything.
I don't believe there is, though your best bet would likely be Dean or Dick given their experience of breaking a variety of cards.
The only suspension 'gotcha' I've come up against so far, is a difference in spring length on the rear depending on year. 353mm vs 360mm
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) based on your rebuilt car, I have taken the plunge. I need my car back up and running this week. The States option was not viable. Additionally if i can bolster the evidence then the rest of the club benefits too. £45 next day delivery for the pair could be a huge win!
Thanks for your support. :)
Quote from: StuC on March 20, 2019, 14:32
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) based on your rebuilt car, I have taken the plunge. I need my car back up and running this week. The States option was not viable. Additionally if i can bolster the evidence then the rest of the club benefits too. £45 next day delivery for the pair could be a huge win!
Thanks for your support. :)
Good luck and if the car has ever lived near the sea, get plusgassing the bolts now. Not that much to undo to change them but it might take some persuasion. Couple of us documented our fun in here
https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=66648.0
I also opted not to dismantle the hub, which means you'll need to use your judgement for the torque on the castle nut as you won't get a torque wrench in there with the hub attached
So ordered these before midday yesterday and they arrived 24 hours later!! Big win from Yodel today. :) :)
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Thought I would throw up some photos for future reference.
Have taken the boys down to the garage for them to fit and make Banana fit for the road once more. :)
@Carolyn (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=22891) any chance of double checking these against the stock/Scion parts you have on the shelf?
Not really, 'cos I don't want to unwrap them.
Quote from: Carolyn on March 21, 2019, 15:24
Not really, 'cos I don't want to unwrap them.
Fair enough.
If you do ever unwrap them, perhaps you could review this.
Quote from: StuC on March 21, 2019, 15:27
Quote from: Carolyn on March 21, 2019, 15:24
Not really, 'cos I don't want to unwrap them.
Fair enough.
If you do ever unwrap them, perhaps you could review this.
Happy to.
I've got some of the Murican ones but they're on someone else's shelf at the moment, they're unwrapped though so if he ever brings them back I'll try and remember to measure them.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on March 21, 2019, 15:39
I've got some of the Murican ones but they're on someone else's shelf at the moment, they're unwrapped though so if he ever brings them back I'll try and remember to measure them.
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You realise that this will happen 5 seconds after you have taken the car off the axle stands, to complete the job! ;)
Quote from: StuC on March 21, 2019, 15:56
Quote from: Call the midlife! on March 21, 2019, 15:39
I've got some of the Murican ones but they're on someone else's shelf at the moment, they're unwrapped though so if he ever brings them back I'll try and remember to measure them.
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You realise that this will happen 5 seconds after you have taken the car off the axle stands, to complete the job! ;)
Nah, I've had them since last summer, bought them as shelf parts while they were at (what was then) the best price for the part. No need of them at the moment, touch wood..[emoji23]
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Quote from: Bossworld on March 20, 2019, 07:55
Quote from: StuC on March 19, 2019, 23:30
Quote from: Bossworld on August 21, 2018, 18:08
Quote from: dan944 on August 21, 2018, 17:03
Just a note. Go on mr2 fb page and search for Yaris. You'll find the confirmation on there.
There's a post from 2016 saying that there are two types for Yaris, and another poster in the same thread saying they're not the same but very similar.
Quick eBay search shows there is a set with a 12mm bush and another set with a 14mm bush.
Can anyone measure which is likely to match the mr2 ones?
I don't mind having a punt to save £700+ on the mr2 ones.
Would rather order once though if poss.
I'm banned from the Facebook group for some reason so can't search it, but these are the ones I bought and I fitted to my car a few months back
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F332659560803
Quote from: Bossworld on March 20, 2019, 09:13
Quote from: StuC on March 20, 2019, 08:19
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) are you FL or PFL in this regard?
Facelift, 04 plate car
These above ^^^^^ are now fitted to Banana (PFL). As she is a daily driver I will report back if there are any longevity issues.
EDIT: Yaris front lower control arm part numbers 4806959035 4806859035 (for future reference)
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) thanks again.
I'm doubting myself due to someone else's posts on another thread about changing their front drop links. If you are able to get under your car, would you be able to confirm that your drop links are going through the larger of these two holes (the one on the right, which IMO has a recess for the drop link bush to sit in).
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@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) Hopefully this clears it up for you.
Also gives everyone some proof that it actually fits!! :) :)
Quote from: StuC on March 26, 2019, 22:08
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@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) Hopefully this clears it up for you.
Also gives everyone some proof that it actually fits!! :) :)
Cheers fella, panic over. Assume the other holes may be used in other applications of the arm.
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) they look like they are jig location holes. So used in the production of the arm pressing.
Is there a rubber bush missing on that droplink in the picture as it looks nothing like the one I have just installed - I have about 10 mm of thread protruding on the stud with the nylock in place yet my bushes are well compressed unlike those shown.
Norman
Quote from: normanh on March 27, 2019, 14:12
Is there a rubber bush missing on that droplink in the picture as it looks nothing like the one I have just installed - I have about 10 mm of thread protruding on the stud with the nylock in place yet my bushes are well compressed unlike those shown.
Norman
From the top down...
Shaft (with retention lip and thread)
Metal shim (not visible in picture)
Rubber bush (not visible in picture)
Lower control arm
Rubber bush
Metal shim
Nut
Which is as listed in many places...
MR2 Ben linky (https://mr2-ben.co.uk/products/1024)
Strange, I am wondering if the bushes supplied are significantly thicker than others as a guide supplied new the nylock is literally at the end of the stud when assembled and not under compression. I have reused the 3rd washer of the stock links.
Norman
I've two different lengths of nut showing with two different brands torqued up equally to spec
(https://i.ibb.co/Smr9Vg9/6-F81-A5-E9-BB91-40-E7-9803-3-A1-AA4-D3-E443.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5jFfs3f)
(https://i.ibb.co/5GZrYHb/AC69-C62-C-CA63-42-C4-874-E-9-DFB5-A9-DF2-B3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6rQHvCj)
What torque settings did you use?
Norman
Quote from: normanh on March 27, 2019, 17:12
What torque settings did you use?
Norman
Top balljoint: 44nm
Lower bush (under arm): 18nm
Quote from: StuC on March 25, 2019, 23:16Quote from: Bossworld on March 20, 2019, 07:55Quote from: StuC on March 19, 2019, 23:30Quote from: Bossworld on August 21, 2018, 18:08Quote from: dan944 on August 21, 2018, 17:03Just a note. Go on mr2 fb page and search for Yaris. You'll find the confirmation on there.
There's a post from 2016 saying that there are two types for Yaris, and another poster in the same thread saying they're not the same but very similar.
Quick eBay search shows there is a set with a 12mm bush and another set with a 14mm bush.
Can anyone measure which is likely to match the mr2 ones?
I don't mind having a punt to save £700+ on the mr2 ones.
Would rather order once though if poss.
I'm banned from the Facebook group for some reason so can't search it, but these are the ones I bought and I fitted to my car a few months back
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F332659560803
Quote from: Bossworld on March 20, 2019, 09:13Quote from: StuC on March 20, 2019, 08:19@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) are you FL or PFL in this regard?
Facelift, 04 plate car
These above ^^^^^ are now fitted to Banana (PFL). As she is a daily driver I will report back if there are any longevity issues.
EDIT: Yaris front lower control arm part numbers 4806959035 4806859035 (for future reference)
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743) thanks again.
Quick FYI
Banana has just gone for her yearly "handbrake cable needs adjusting" test (MOT).
After 6000 miles, BOTH of the ball joints on these lower arms have failed. Clearly this is not acceptable. I am not sure if there is a quality issue or if this is related to the fact that they are Yaris parts.
I have asked the eBay seller to comment on the situation. I am not holding my breath, although they do have a 2 year warranty.
I'll post up when I have more information.
@Bossworld
I did notice, in another thread these are available at many different pride-points. Some so low, I commented that they were just too cheap.
There is a big aftermarket for such a big seller as the Yaris, so I'm not surprised that some stuff is just not up to scratch.
I'd recommend paying a little more?
Quote from: Carolyn on March 9, 2020, 16:42I did notice, in another thread these are available at many different pride-points. Some so low, I commented that they were just too cheap.
There is a big aftermarket for such a big seller as the Yaris, so I'm not surprised that some stuff is just not up to scratch.
I'd recommend paying a little more?
If only it were that simple though ... is there any more actual guarantee that paying more bags you a better product? They could just be selling the same cheap crappy ones for more £? I think we need to identify the good suppliers rather than the price point at which it *should* be ok :)
I've got some from energizedcustoms on ebay. Not the cheapest but not the most expensive. Not yet fitted.
Quote from: StuC on March 9, 2020, 16:16Quick FYI
Banana has just gone for her yearly "handbrake cable needs adjusting" test (MOT).
After 6000 miles, BOTH of the ball joints on these lower arms have failed. Clearly this is not acceptable. I am not sure if there is a quality issue or if this is related to the fact that they are Yaris parts.
I have asked the eBay seller to comment on the situation. I am not holding my breath, although they do have a 2 year warranty.
I'll post up when I have more information.
@Bossworld
Hmm. I note househead has also gone 'energizedcustoms' which is where I got mine. If you're still able to get on the FB group, might be worth asking if anyone has had similar experience as I only went for these after confirmation from 5 or 6 others who'd also fitted.
Believe my second MOT since fitting is due in May so will report back then. I did ask the seller (energizedcustoms) how the guarantee worked at the time, and they said they'd replace upon production of an MOT failure certificate. Would hope they'd honour it as I've been burned by different supplier for handbrake cables before, also promising a 2 year guarantee.
Quoteenergizedcustoms2:
All wear components are covered by the warranty. However, unless the crack fails an MOT this is not covered
The Yaris is the same as the Scion arms that were previously suggested as the next best alternative, so to points already made, what is the tangible difference between those at different price points?
@StuC what was the reason given for failure? Cover damaged or something else?
I was looking at buying some soon so would be good to know.
Got some tein springs to fit so am looking at the roll centre adjusting ball joint anyway (which are annoyingly quite a bit more expensive than the springs that cause the problem)
Quote from: househead on March 9, 2020, 17:07I've got some from energizedcustoms on ebay. Not the cheapest but not the most expensive. Not yet fitted.
Thats 2 of us.
Quote from: househead on March 9, 2020, 17:07I've got some from energizedcustoms on ebay. Not the cheapest but not the most expensive. Not yet fitted.
This is where I got mine from.
Quote from: Bossworld on March 9, 2020, 17:19@StuC what was the reason given for failure? Cover damaged or something else?
I have not seen it yet. I'll post pictures when I have something.
@Carolyn I tend to agree with your statement. Last year I needed something quick. I feel I am paying for that now.
I know that Rogue use these arms, then poly bush them. The ball joint would remain as is though. So it's either a dodgy batch or cheap materials. Given the price I'd say its the latter.
Quote from: Bossworld on March 13, 2020, 15:31Any update @StuC ?
Somewhat. Got Banana back today and she has passed her MOT now.
Here are some piccies of the 6000 mile lower arms failures. You can see the rubbers are pooched.
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Will you be challenging the supplier?
Quote from: Ardent on March 13, 2020, 20:30Will you be challenging the supplier?
eBay seller said he was happy to refund the cost of the parts, but none of the labour.
I need to send the parts back via a free DPD service.
I am a little disgruntled about the labour tbh. A year ago I needed to pay out, which I was ok to accept. However this years labour was down to poor quality parts, which for me is on them. I am sure I could take to small claims, but I don't think it's worth it. Especially not with everything else going on.
Mine are still in the poly bags.
I might well see about contacting them.
This is not a new problem. I changed the track rod ends, just the ball joint, there was no carrier/ arm involved, on Mrs J's Fiesta around 1990 with after market items. The rubbers perished inside 12 months, and that wasn't after many miles, just poor quality rubber. Thirty years on the same thing is still happening.
I don't know what the solution to this problem is, but I am very sure that the difference in the price of the AM rubber boot and the OE rubber boot would be pennies. The price of OE parts is sometimes seemingly prohibitive, a "happy medium" would be nice but unlikely / not going to happen.
I also bought the Yaris arms from energized customs recently. Went to fit the driver's side one and the balljoint wouldn't push all the way up into the steering knuckle even when using a jack underneath. As this was my first time doing this, I didn't notice until after I had wrecked the thread from overtightening the castle nut.I tried to torque it but because there wasn't much thread for the nut to grab onto it didn't reach the correct torque before wrecking the thread. I then ordered some Moog ball joints which arrived today, pressed the knackered one out and the Moog one slid in easily by hand and has movement even when the circlip has been put on. I'm going to try the moog ball joint in my original control arm tomorrow to see if it fits tight in that.
Hmm... Worried about my unfitted ones now.
I got mine from Zakautoparts.
Went for them because of 100%positive feedback.
As my previous post. Mine are still in the poly bags.
I was just looking at ebay today and found this ad;
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FITS-TOYOTA-MR2-2000-2005-FRONT-LOWER-CONTROL-ARM-BUSH-BUSHES-BALL-JOINT-KIT/181620280717?hash=item2a49698d8d%3Ag%3ASqQAAOSwOmRdU%7EEE&fits=Car+Make%3AToyota%7CModel%3AMR+2%7CCars+Type%3A1.8+16V+VT-i%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+III%7CCars+Year%3A2004%7CBodyStyle%3AConvertible%7CVariant%3AMK+III+%5B1999-2007%5D+Convertible%7CEngine%3A1794ccm+140HP+103KW+%28Petrol%29
I didnt think a full replacement was available but may be of interest?
Another good find.
But my concern is. Are the rubbers any better than those that come in the arms. You would like to think so as double the price. But....
Also plenty more work involved.
I think that these parts have a shelf-life. (They are rubber and do oxidise over time. And I think the cheaper ones may just be out of date. Possibly even bought in as out-of-date stock!!!
I wouldn't worry if buying from a supplier with high turn-over and a good reputation.
I just bought items actually advertised for a mr2, from a company ive heard of having bought from them for previous cars. Cannot comment on quality as they sit still wrapped in my shed untill/if i need them..
Quote from: 105e on May 23, 2020, 13:17I just bought items actually advertised for a mr2, from a company ive heard of having bought from them for previous cars. Cannot comment on quality as they sit unwrapped in my shed untill i need them..
Care to share your source?
Just saw them advertised on ebay (£70 odd each) so decided to watch them, then got an ebay offer of just over £50 each so i bought them. Dont appear to have kept a receipt so dont remember seller, but from my fast fading memory maybe a "firstline" product
I bought the energised customs ones and they went on fine and are still like new although I don't do many miles!! Probably 500 tops
I had their drop links barely lasted a year before the rubbers rotted out they were just far to soft, told them at the time and they sent new ones same issue so I have replaced them with PU poly bushes.
Norman
All in all I'm not feeling the love for my new wishbones to be honest.
Feel like I might as well chuck them in the bin after this thread... :(
Quote from: 105e on May 25, 2020, 10:11Just saw them advertised on ebay (£70 odd each) so decided to watch them, then got an ebay offer of just over £50 each so i bought them. Dont appear to have kept a receipt so dont remember seller, but from my fast fading memory maybe a "firstline" product
Thank you for that.
I've found the below link that seems to fit your description, I 'll keep my eye on them.
There are other suppliers listing at very much higher prices, I would seriously check with MrT though before paying the £300+ prices advertised.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Car-Control-Arms-Parts-for-2002-Toyota-MR-2/33583/bn_7017807891?maspect=contextType%3ACAR_AND_TRUCK&MCar+Make=Toyota&MCars+Year=2002&MCars+Type=1.8+16V+VT-i
Quote from: shnazzle on May 25, 2020, 21:13All in all I'm not feeling the love for my new wishbones to be honest.
Feel like I might as well chuck them in the bin after this thread... :(
Feeling a bit like that myself.
Quote from: Ardent on May 25, 2020, 22:38Quote from: shnazzle on May 25, 2020, 21:13All in all I'm not feeling the love for my new wishbones to be honest.
Feel like I might as well chuck them in the bin after this thread... :(
Feeling a bit like that myself.
I suppose one option is to replace the bushes with poly (which I don't really want) or sell/bin these and buy an extortionate set of Toyota arms
My new arms have arrived which I'm fairly sure are 12mm but depending on where I place the tape measure could be argued as 12mm or 14mm.
Took the part number from earlier in this thread - 48069-59035. The 14mm are meant to be 48069-59055 I believe but I'm concerned about the 'Yaris Verso' designation on the label.
Least these ones arrived in a box within a box, are stamped with the manufacturer's logo, and the rubber looks OK. I spotted an Alibaba link for $3.99 arms which is concerning as it's probably the source of the others which have caused issue.
Will aim to get these fitted later in the week and report back
(https://i.ibb.co/ZmbrFZY/PXL-20201006-142006863.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hd9ybJx)
Right then, so I lost 3 hours this evening but thought I'd just get it done.
Initial thoughts - thank god A) I bought a windy gun when I did the suspension refresh and B) I put a tiny bit of copperslip on the bolts last time (not the threads).
The only difficult part that probably took an hour in total was getting the ball joints out, the driver's side in particular was difficult even with a hammer fork type remover.
The replacement arms are much better assembled, the rear bush is evenly distributed on both sides, the ball joint rubber looks OK on initial inspection.
I'm not holding much hope of a refund tbh as the offside balljoint on the ones that came off is now buggered but I took pics of the tears while it was still in position.
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I found a link on Alibaba which shows you can get no-name arms for $3.99 when purchased in bulk - https://m.alibaba.com/product/60775135075/Steering-parts-wishbone-suspension-control-arm.html given the issues some of us have had, and the lack of any retail packaging, I wouldn't be surprised if they form the bulk of the ones on sale on eBay.
One last point - take a look at the balljoint cover when the wheels are straight ahead and the weight of the hub is supported by a jack. I don't now much about balljoints but that's quite a way over to one side already, don't know if that would have contributed to issues and or the Yaris compatibility debate?
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Further to my post #86 above I revisited the link and after a brief trawl found these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ball-Joint-Front-Lower-Toyota-Yaris-/363123675626
And we , I believe, are generally understanding that component parts of the arms are not available.
£36.95 , A lot of money for a track rod end, but it says they are to suit a 2:
This item fits 1 version(s) of the Toyota MR 2 2002 MK III [1999-2007] Convertible 1.8 16V VT-i Convertible 1794ccm 140HP 103KW (Petrol):
Looking at the eBay ad, there is a banner showing the whole link arm for a Yaris, LH and RH, these are at less cost than the TRE and are stated as being in Morley Yorkshire.
No reference that I can see for compatibility with a 2.
PS.
Looking back over this thread (again) I saw
@Topdownman 's post #77 where he had found an ad. for all three bushes required for these arms. It seems that there are many parts at various prices with uncertain quality.
Has TCB been asked what he can offer?
Sorry Joesson I didn't see your reply.
Hopefully my last ever post on the subject but Energized Customs refunded me within hours of receiving the parts back (they paid for the courier) so other than 3 hours the other night, I've not lost anything having to swap them out.
I can't speak for TCB (as per earlier, my hunch would be that no one can truly confirm Yaris < > MR2 compatibility) but I found this on Spyderchat and it seems our American cousins have had the same debate regarding Scion/Vitz < > MR2, and they've gone into far more detail about actually swapping out the innards of the arms:
https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/control-arm.152031/
@Bossworld Frustrating, time wasting but the money return helps ease the pain!
My mention of TCB was as in have we asked what prices he can offer the OE control arms at?
The Spydermen have certainly tried many options. I noticed the arms seemed remarkably well preserved complete with paint, not like a typical arm in the UK.
Maybe from a sunshine state or generally less/ no salt on the roads, or summer time only use from new?
There is a much easier way. The ball joints on the factory arms are quality and last a very long time. It is better to just replace the bushings with Superpro, Whiteline or Energy Suspension than use an inferior manufactured part with questionable ball joints and rubber that might not last with possible tolerance issues. The poly bushings replacements were researched for the application and have similar shore rating. Once they are replaced the poly bushings can last a very long time without any squeaking or coming apart.
They do sell aftermarket ball joints but some of them have inferior re-greasable fittings. Toyota joints simply put are quality where there is no equivalent.
Quote from: Dev on October 13, 2020, 16:12There is a much easier way. The ball joints on the factory arms are quality and last a very long time. It is better to just replace the bushings with Superpro, Whiteline or Energy Suspension than use an inferior manufactured part with questionable ball joints and rubber that might not last with possible tolerance issues. The poly bushings replacements were researched for the application and have similar shore rating. Once they are replaced the poly bushings can last a very long time without any squeaking or coming apart.
They do sell aftermarket ball joints but some of them have inferior re-greasable fittings. Toyota joints simply put are quality where there is no equivalent.
I think one of the issues we're up against (and apologies Dev as I think I've laboured this same point to you before) is the weather/road salt and the way it attacks our cars in the UK. I'd never have got my old arms out in one piece.
Other's luck will certainly vary but as I'm looking to trade up to a VW Golf mk6, one of the things that kills me about the MR2s is how expensive suspension components are as they're specific to the MR2. Was very fortunate to get a lightly used set of struts from Tomo and changed the top mounts, but I couldn't justify £700 on parts only for a suspension refresh.
Quote from: Bossworld on October 13, 2020, 18:15Quote from: Dev on October 13, 2020, 16:12There is a much easier way. The ball joints on the factory arms are quality and last a very long time. It is better to just replace the bushings with Superpro, Whiteline or Energy Suspension than use an inferior manufactured part with questionable ball joints and rubber that might not last with possible tolerance issues. The poly bushings replacements were researched for the application and have similar shore rating. Once they are replaced the poly bushings can last a very long time without any squeaking or coming apart.
They do sell aftermarket ball joints but some of them have inferior re-greasable fittings. Toyota joints simply put are quality where there is no equivalent.
I think one of the issues we're up against (and apologies Dev as I think I've laboured this same point to you before) is the weather/road salt and the way it attacks our cars in the UK. I'd never have got my old arms out in one piece.
Other's luck will certainly vary but as I'm looking to trade up to a VW Golf mk6, one of the things that kills me about the MR2s is how expensive suspension components are as they're specific to the MR2. Was very fortunate to get a lightly used set of struts from Tomo and changed the top mounts, but I couldn't justify £700 on parts only for a suspension refresh.
I remember all too well the issues you guys faced when I sold Energy Suspension bushing with tool kit to you guys as the front spool bushing was fused to the arm for many of you. I have sold this kit all over the world without issue except the problems you guys faced and it might be the kind of salt that is used to melt ice which causes corrosion. We salt our roads also but have now switched to less salt mixed in with sand.
There is a way around this and that is to burn it out with a torch or you can drill holes into the rubber and cut it out.
The ball joint on this car requires a good ball joint separator tool that looks like a clamp and it will work without fail but if you use a pickle fork it will damage the joint.
Even if the arm is damaged some other way other than what I described its still worth the trouble to buy a good used set from a wrecker and then replace the bushings with Superpro.
I haven't had one customer report an issue with these bushings except for one that received the wrong metal sleeves that was probably a factory error when they were packing the bushings. For the long term Im impressed with how well these bushings have held up on my car without the squeaks that poly bushings are known for because they were designed with channels to capture the grease.
I worry about using inferior Chinese manufactured parts as they may skimp out on the quality and I think its down right dangerous for the ball joint to come separated when performance driving.
Sorry to butt in on another's thread, but I am totally confused over replacement lower control arms!!
A report on my last MOT recorded failed ball joint covers on both lower arms requiring repair.
Reading various posts on the lower arms, I am confused as to whether the ball joint is a replaceable item, or whether it requires a new lower arm complete, and if it does is there a suitable replacement arm yaris/scion/MR2 which economically does the job.
It's a bit like the latest Covid measures, a bit foggy and confusing :( A definitive answer would be helpful :-*
Quote from: scm2004red on October 14, 2020, 11:51Sorry to butt in on another's thread, but I am totally confused over replacement lower control arms!!
A report on my last MOT recorded failed ball joint covers on both lower arms requiring repair.
Reading various posts on the lower arms, I am confused as to whether the ball joint is a replaceable item, or whether it requires a new lower arm complete, and if it does is there a suitable replacement arm yaris/scion/MR2 which economically does the job.
It's a bit like the latest Covid measures, a bit foggy and confusing :( A definitive answer would be helpful :-*
I replaced mine with eBay Yaris arms. After a year and 6k miles the rubber had perished.
I have another Yaris set on now so will see how they hold up.
Are you doing the work yourself?
Quote from: scm2004red on October 14, 2020, 11:51Sorry to butt in on another's thread, but I am totally confused over replacement lower control arms!!
A report on my last MOT recorded failed ball joint covers on both lower arms requiring repair.
Reading various posts on the lower arms, I am confused as to whether the ball joint is a replaceable item, or whether it requires a new lower arm complete, and if it does is there a suitable replacement arm yaris/scion/MR2 which economically does the job.
It's a bit like the latest Covid measures, a bit foggy and confusing :( A definitive answer would be helpful :-*
I suggest that the "definitive answer" could be OE/ Mr T replacements, that is the arm complete with track rod end and two bushes. Downside of that is the cost.
Other Members have tried various suppliers of much lower priced "similar" Yaris complete replacement arms but to my reading have short lives, particularly with the TRE rubber boot.
In the above posts both our own Forum supplier @TCB and
@Dev advocate the use of aftermarket bushes in the OE arms with SuperPro bushes, these being designed to meet the OE specifications.
The track rod ends would seem to be the items that do not have a particular replacement and a branded serviceable item could perhaps be the object of a "Group Search" .
Quote from: scm2004red on October 14, 2020, 11:51Sorry to butt in on another's thread, but I am totally confused over replacement lower control arms!!
A report on my last MOT recorded failed ball joint covers on both lower arms requiring repair.
Reading various posts on the lower arms, I am confused as to whether the ball joint is a replaceable item, or whether it requires a new lower arm complete, and if it does is there a suitable replacement arm yaris/scion/MR2 which economically does the job.
It's a bit like the latest Covid measures, a bit foggy and confusing :( A definitive answer would be helpful :-*
I think the facts we've established are:
Scion and Yaris are effectively the same car underneath, but there's no definitive answer as to whether the MR2 arm is identical even though it looks it.
There are some horribly cheap arms available on Chinese wholesale sites (talking $3.99 an arm) which are ostensibly the unbranded ones being sold on eBay. Both StuC and I have had issues that would warrant an MOT fail, after 6k miles.
Many people have fitted various Yaris arms across Facebook. I've gone for some manufactured in Turkey this time.
It does seem to be the balljoint that goes on the cheap arms, which is the part others have struggled to replace, but Dev advises this may actually be OK in its stock state and to try to recover the stock arms and change the other two bushes.
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Just for clarity, there are two balljoints hooked onto the knuckle, the TRE one is easily swapped out for a MAPCO one (£9 on eBay and labelled up as MR2 compatible). I had one of these fail as the metal retaining ring slipped down after 18 months.
A three tier answer above, any fogginess is down to not wanting to accept the definitive answer because of its side affect.
I would get a good pair of arms from a junker that has low miles. It can be from a Yaris with intact ball joint boots. I would then change out the bushings. These joints are strong but I have seen it where someone improperly tries to separate the joint the boot can rip. I never encountered or heard of boots that rip on their own due to age but its possible. Or its just best to pay the price on new OE arms.
I have installed those cheap China arms on a local members car. Its been over two years and I haven't heard a problem with them yet but it might happen who really knows. One anecdotal failure is enough for me not to use them on a critical part.
Thanks.. I think!
Just to confirm, for my own tired brain, the lower control arm ball joint is an integral part of the arm, and not a separate replaceable item as is often the case? I thought I read somewhere in all of the threads that someone had found some, may be me confused.
TRE's I am not bothered about, they are straightforward replaceable items.
Quote from: Bossworld on October 14, 2020, 13:32Quote from: scm2004red on October 14, 2020, 11:51Sorry to butt in on another's thread, but I am totally confused over replacement lower control arms!!
A report on my last MOT recorded failed ball joint covers on both lower arms requiring repair.
Reading various posts on the lower arms, I am confused as to whether the ball joint is a replaceable item, or whether it requires a new lower arm complete, and if it does is there a suitable replacement arm yaris/scion/MR2 which economically does the job.
It's a bit like the latest Covid measures, a bit foggy and confusing :( A definitive answer would be helpful :-*
Scion and Yaris are effectively the same car underneath, but there's no definitive answer as to whether the MR2 arm is identical even though it looks it.
It does seem to be the balljoint that goes on the cheap arms, which is the part others have struggled to replace, but Dev advises this may actually be OK in its stock state and to try to recover the stock arms and change the other two bushes.
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Just for clarity, there are two balljoints hooked onto the knuckle, the TRE one is easily swapped out for a MAPCO one (£9 on eBay and labelled up as MR2 compatible). I had one of these fail as the metal retaining ring slipped down after 18 months.
From what I remember, here in the states the XB and Yaris arms worked for those that wanted to expand their availability of getting replacement arms due to accidents from junkers back in the day before these Chinese arms came about.
I never heard of anyone having fitment issues or early failure issues with this option. I have seen cross reference part numbers for all three so its possible they are the same part but Im not definitively sure as it could be some other part source lumping them together and it could be an assumption by someone compiling the list and not Toyota.
There were some that wanted to replace the ball joint which wasn't an easy procedure and some had problems with that retaining ring. I would rather have the ball joints on the arms with Toyota tooling as its possible that once they are removed tolerances become an issue for replacement parts. On some cars the ball joints are not replaceable you have to buy the arm as a unit.
I know of hundreds (lost count) of people around the world that have replaced their bushings with the Superpro with out any issues as I was in contact with the vast majority of them due to selling my tool kit to have them installed. This option has been available since 2007 and I never heard of anyone encountering a failure of any kind with the poly bushings which is remarkable.
Please don't consider this a shameless plug as Im not trying to sell anything. I no longer sell the tool kit internationally because its cost prohibitive for me to do so.
This is all helpful, but to labour a point lower ball joints, allegedly for the MR2, are available separately at my local supplier which seems to indicate these should be separately removable -
https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/lemforder-ball-joint-617820595?type=shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi-natpe07AIVE4jVCh2t7AijEAQYDSABEgJ0fPD_BwE
If this is correct and feasible, it avoids the debate over the correctness and adequacy of aftermarket arms by using a new ball joint in an OE arm?
Quote from: scm2004red on October 14, 2020, 14:33This is all helpful, but to labour a point lower ball joints, allegedly for the MR2, are available separately at my local supplier which seems to indicate these should be separately removable -
https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/lemforder-ball-joint-617820595?type=shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi-natpe07AIVE4jVCh2t7AijEAQYDSABEgJ0fPD_BwE
If this is correct and feasible, it avoids the debate over the correctness and adequacy of aftermarket arms by using a new ball joint in an OE arm?
Have a look through Dev's post above, there's also
@ooch 's post at the bottom of page 3 which theorises your exact point but doesn't look like they've been back on to confirm the outcome.
Lemforder (as per your link) came up several times in positive terms on my last frantic Google, but as per the theme of this thread, unfortunately you might need to be the trailblazer.
As mentioned it n # 99:
In the above posts both our own Forum supplier @TCB and
@Dev advocate the use of aftermarket bushes in the OE arms with SuperPro bushes, these being designed to meet the OE specifications.
The Ball Joint would seem to be the item that do not have a particular replacement and a branded serviceable item could perhaps be the object of a "Group Search" .
The Ball joints mentioned by
@scm2004red are by a German manufacturing company , suppliers of OE and AM suspension components, in the same group as ZF and so likely good quality.
The important price will be variable as the supplier and their sister co. often offer "sale" prices.
As to the fixing into the OE arms, when I first started working on cars suspension bushes were replaceable brass alloy bushings that required reaming to size and brake shoes required riveting to the carrier. Today, mass production means that many assemblies are made as a unit, this together with higher skilled labour costs mean that such ancient practices are not so much called for.
However, with the SuperPro replacement bushes and a good quality track rod end the questions become-
Are the OE components removable from the OE arm?
Does the OE arm resist corrosion and removal of existing components sufficient for reuse?
Would the time necessary for "professional" replacement, together with the above mentioned parts be cost effective?
Would the prices of the parts be cost effective for diy installation?
EDIT incorrect reference to TRE deleted.
If the joints appear to be in good condition with enough uncontaminated grease in them why not just replace the boot if that can be sourced or pulled from another ball joint. Clean off the grease and add new grease to refresh the joint.
Sometimes if the failure is first detected the grease doesn't have time to have been contaminated with taking in water and dirt. This also applies to the CV joint where you can replace the boot rather than the whole part as long as the grease did not run dry. It just makes for a much easier repair.
The ball joints for most all modern Toyotas vehicles are over built and should outlast the car. Its not like the old days where these parts were serviceable and required frequent inspection.
Quote from: Joesson on October 14, 2020, 15:11As mentioned it n # 99:
In the above posts both our own Forum supplier @TCB and @Dev advocate the use of aftermarket bushes in the OE arms with SuperPro bushes, these being designed to meet the OE specifications.
The track rod ends would seem to be the items that do not have a particular replacement and a branded serviceable item could perhaps be the object of a "Group Search" .
However, with the SuperPro replacement bushes and a good quality track rod end the questions become-
Are the OE components removable from the OE arm?
Does the OE arm resist corrosion and removal of existing components sufficient for reuse?
I can answer some of this. The front spool bushing has no casing and its relatively easy to replace with no tolerance issues. If its frozen as many have experienced from your part of the world you can drill multiple holes in the rubber and work it out with a screw driver pushing out the rubber fragments. With the big bushing you drill a few holes and then cut out the rest of the rubber using a knife. After that you can cut the casing using a hack saw and then deform the casing and it will pop off. The replacement bushings made by Superpro were designed with good tolerances to fit existing arms with no surprises with any kind of variation. It appeared to be they were designed around replacement of existing old arms. The key to safely removing the arms is a good ball joint separator.
If you take it to a shop they will want to use a press and the labor costs go up a lot . This is why DIY options can save you a fortune.
Thanks for all the replies. Did contemplate just replacing the rubber boot, there are plenty of varieties available, just thought it made more sense to replace the ball joint if it could be done as I am not sure how long the joint has been exposed to the elements.
Will probably have a look at this in a couple of months to see what can be done, I am all for re using parts if possible, rather than just chucking a part in the bin. It all hangs on how easy it is to get rusty bits apart!
For clarity and for my own information I have just emailed Paul@TCB asking him for regular / Forum prices for:
Replacement arms,OE / AM
Replacement arms / Yaris / AM if available
SuperPro bushes for installing into existing arms
Good quality Ball joint/ Track rod end for installing into existing arm.
I will post when I have a reply.
Quote from: scm2004red on October 14, 2020, 17:05Thanks for all the replies. Did contemplate just replacing the rubber boot, there are plenty of varieties available, just thought it made more sense to replace the ball joint if it could be done as I am not sure how long the joint has been exposed to the elements.
Will probably have a look at this in a couple of months to see what can be done, I am all for re using parts if possible, rather than just chucking a part in the bin. It all hangs on how easy it is to get rusty bits apart!
If you squeeze the rubber and have some of the grease come out you will know. If it presents with watery mix its no good. If you rub the grease between your fingers and it feels very abrasive its no good either. If you press on the boot and you see what looks like thick grease coming out you should be ok.
Once its separated from the car move the joint around and if it feels smooth and dampened you should be fine as long as its not flimsy and falling over or any play.
Further to my #111 above here is my email to Paul @TCB:
Hello Paul, I'm Joesson on the MR2 Roadster Forum.
You may be aware of the ongoing discussion on our Forum about the replacement/ renovation of the :
Lower front control arm
The general consensus is that the Toyota replacement arms are relatively costly, but I have not seen what this price actually is.
If the replacement arms are indeed costly an alternative is an aftermarket replacement, some members have bought ( low cost) Yaris arms, that while they seem compatible the rubber boot on the ball joint deteriorates within 12 months.
Otherwise there is the possibility of refurbishing the existing arms, with SuperPro bushes, because we understand that these have similar characteristics to the OE bushes.
That would leave the ball joint/ track rod end for consideration. If in good condition this could be reused, alternatively replaced with a good quality after market ball joint/ track rod end.
If you would kindly provide me with your regular/ Forum prices for the following items I would put them into a post.
1: Toyota OE Front lower control arm complete: price:
2: Aftermarket complete alternative:( If suitable/ available)price:
3: SuperPro replacement bushes for lower control arm price:
4: Aftermarket ball joint/ track rod end ( if suitable/ available) price:
Thank you in anticipation
And here is Paul's prompt response:
Thank you for your email about these items for the MR2 Roadsters
I did indeed know of the Yaris arm option on the MR2's which kinda prompted me not to stock wishbones due to the crazy low cost on these arms
1: Toyota OE Front lower control arm complete: price: Our Price £166.88 each + VAT (Retail £338.81 each + VAT)
2: Aftermarket complete alternative:( If suitable/ available)price: £90.00 each + VAT
3: SuperPro replacement bushes for lower control arm price: they do 2 types a standard or caster increase bush, STD £114.70 + VAT or Caster Increase £91.14 + VAT
4: Aftermarket ball joint/ track rod end ( if suitable/ available) price: £9.00 each + VAT
5: Replacement Higher Quality Yaris Ball Joint - £11.00 each + VAT (Delphi)
Thank You
Paul Pridham
Company Director
TCB Performance Parts Limited
www.tcbparts.co.uk
01579 383879
Mon - Fri 8:30 - 5:00
Specialists in Quality New and Used Toyota Celica, Supra and MR2 parts for over 27 years!
AMENDMENT SEE #120 FROM TCB
The OP
@frogger said
"It's quite expensive to buy new arms, but only £55 for the bushes"
The above figures will hopefully give some clarity to the debate.
All helpful stuff, my only, perhaps pedantic, comment would be that you have requested a price for a ball joint/tre, which could be misleading to both TCB and others. The lower control arm ball joint is not the same as a tre and I wonder what has been priced?
@Joesson @Paul@TCB Very much appreciated.
Based on that. I could see me going the full fat OEM arm.
I could easily see the £50-80 diy saving being eaten into, as my DIY, would still involve paying someone.
Quote from: scm2004red on October 16, 2020, 12:00All helpful stuff, my only, perhaps pedantic, comment would be that you have requested a price for a ball joint/tre, which could be misleading to both TCB and others. The lower control arm ball joint is not the same as a tre and I wonder what has been priced?
Pedantic? Yes!
But not without good reason.
Ball joint and track rod end have been variously used in this post.
The ball joint is a part of the control arm
The track rod end is a separate item.
It would be good practice to examine / replace as necessary the tre when replacing / refurbishing the control arm.
>For clarity please refer to TCB post #120 where a replacement BALL JOINT is referred to.<
Quote from: Joesson on October 16, 2020, 11:16From the above:
New OE arm £166.84 + VAT (£200.21) EACH
DIY refurb £91.14 + £9.00 / £100.14 +VAT (£120.17)EACH to
£114.70 + £11.00 / £125.70 +VAT. (£150.84)EACH
You will see that I have not included the aftermarket arm option from TCB
one Clarification here which I should've made clear in the previous email apologies for that
is that the bushes are priced as a vehicle set so for both sides, so you'd be looking at the following costings;
Genuine Toyota Complete Wishbone - £166.84 each + VAT (£200.21)
DIY Wishbone Refurb, Superpro Standard Bushes & Aftermarket Ball Joint - £66.35 each + VAT (£79.62)
DIY Wishbone Refurb, Superpro Caster Increase Bushes & Aftermarket Ball Joint - £54.57 each + VAT (£65.48)
Thank You
Paul (TCB)
For street people don't get the Superpro bushing with the caster adjustment, get the standard.
Reason being that its one more adjustment that has to be dialed in after installation and one that can come out of alignment over time which would be bad requiring frequent alignments. It's kind of weird that the caster adjustment bushing is cheaper than the standard.
Also keep in mind that the Superpro bushings will be superior to the rubber as far as longevity and giving you a taunt new car like ride quality for a long time.
However if the OE arms come close to avoiding the hassle of refurbishing the arms its probably the better value.
I think TCB's clarifying note clears up the queries regarding the rebuilding of the OE lower control arms which is very helpful, if you are reasonably competent and the arm is sound it can be done for a reasonable price, about half the price of a TCB supplied OE arm ( which is almost half the price of Toyota supplied unit and good value).
The only outstanding question is whether an aftermarket supplied Yaris unit will substitute for the OE unit, if as has been suggested, the only negative is the ball joint cover deterioration, that can be easily rectified by changing to a good replacement before assembly, silicone boots are available.
Hello
Anyone try to install or take a dimensions of a Corolla or Celica front arms ?
It's for increase the width of the front, and increase the camber, if it's possible.