Simple question really but how often during everyday driving do you get the rear end moving out of line?
Having come from a FWD hatch albiet a rather tail happy one (306 rallye) I'm really enjoying its ease of handling, getting the back out in 2nd is dead easy and in the dry (I've not been out in it since I got it when its wet) its soo predictable and controlable.
Back to my question, I'll start it off! So far every time I've been out in it I've got the back sliding, even with the GF!
During everyday driving - never. It just seems to squat and go where I point it.... apparently its something to do with old age and the right foot s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Had plenty of scares, but they've always been linked to slippy roads, duff alignment or loose bushes s:? :? s:? . More a loss of grip than an oversteer situation though.
I usuallly try to get the car sliding (4 wheels) on a roundabout near me and sometimes get the tail lose on a favourite corner, but like Ste said, mine is pretty hard to unstick. I did enter a corner which I normally take at 40 at around 55 with a heavy hand and she slid and fishtailed a fair bit - heart in mouth moment - but it was my own bravado rather than slippy roads s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I do it every single time I get a chance. On the proviso that there's no cars near me in case I cock it up, of course.
i'm with Dan on this one, its a daily happening for me, when safe of course, i use oversteer and drifting as part of my normal driving now, but then with a turbo it is a hell of a lot easier to s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
interestingly its has become a lot easier to get sideways and a hell of a lot more controllable since fitting the TTE front and rear ARB's and droplinks
God i love this car s8) 8) s8)
At the weekend when she lets me drive it s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: So long as she is not with me that is, after all it is "her" car!!!!! s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Ekona"I do it every single time I get a chance.
Then why didn't you when you took me for a spin? You were blaming "sticky tyres" s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
With my '2 I find I have a bit of understeer. I suppose it comes down to removing the spare. Without that extra weight directly above the front axle some of the front end grip is removed. But that's the way I like driving. I like understeer. When the weather starts turning from mostly dry and warm, to cool and wet, I replace the spare I find that the car is a lot more precise, but not to the extent of giving oversteer.
I also have the Toyota optional extra rear wing. Now I know it is small, but I do believe that this must alter the air-flow enough to increase rear end downforce, even if it is by a small amount. And every time I clean my car the underside of the wing is filthy compared to the top side. So there is definately a low pressure area there. So low pressure on the underside and high pressure on the top = downforce.
I'd like to find a way of increasing the front end downforce a little. Something like the little "winglets" that you see on the front of DTM cars, or a decent front splitter. However I also know that increasing downforce enough at the front for cornering at low speed will reduce top speed.
Is there an answer?
depending on the mods you made, the car's natural understeer can disapear.
mine is now so stuck to the tarmac it needs to be badly provoqued to oversteer on dry surfaces.
unless it's very greasy or wet, it's better to forget about power slides!
at the limit, the natural undesteer is still here first and you have to have done something involving wrong mass transfer to make to rear go first...
Quote from: "Ekona"I do it every single time I get a chance. On the proviso that there's no cars near me in case I cock it up, of course.
I used to as well, coming out of right hand junctions on damp roads were my favourite, then the one time I was driving carefully because it was wet a bloody great tree decided to hit me s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Never.
I tend to drive it on the edge of understeer, feeling for grip at the front before accelerating.
If you want more oversteer, just increase the grip of the front wheels e.g. wider tyres. I may be a wimp but I like my comfort zone of mild understeer so I'm sticking with the stock set up.
Quote from: "Peter Laborne"Quote from: "Ekona"I do it every single time I get a chance.
Then why didn't you when you took me for a spin?
Too much weight probably s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I hope you're not referring to me s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Ekona"I hope you're not referring to me s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Yeah...like it's really gonna be me with the weight issue s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
'Least I'm not ugly. I can always diet. s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Ekona"I hope you're not referring to me s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
No no, just the difference in having 2 in the car instead of the driver only. Losts more drifting/oversteer on your tod s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Oi back on topic you 'orrible lot, call yourself moderators ! ! s:P :P s:P s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Nearly every morning especially when wet. out of side road, turnign right onto main road back steps out next junction right turn too, tyres still cold! most small low speed islands too, my back left tyre got a bit less tread than back right s:) :) s:) sooooo much fun i love it!
Never yet in the dry - I'm still learning the car, TBH I need a track or airfield to see what I can get away with. In the wet... well, that's a different matter altogether. You can easily see where the widowmaker reputation comes from s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Is it that bad, Sean? Bad as in really snappy?
Bad as in any more than an inch or so of throttle travel will light the rears and send the back out - in first, second or third - and in a straight line! At least it always seems to throw to the right, so it's at least predictable s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I have to have a ride in this at the weekend! s:D :D s:D
bagsy second in teh que :-) :-) :-)
Not sure what you guys are expecting... got me worried now!
Sure, it's quick as fuck in a straight line, but the handling is a tad.. er.. agricultural s:wink: :wink: s:wink: The noise though s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Quote from: "Slacey"Sure, it's quick as f**k in a straight line,
thats pretty much what we are expecting :-) :-) :-)
I really hope it handles crap, that way I won't want one :-) :-) :-)
The handling isn't crap, bear in mind it's still quite a small car, short wheelbase and light at a shade over 1000kg, it's just the rather solid steel frame chassis and basic (read 11 years old) suspension setup is a long way from the superb characteristics of the '2 & Elise etc...
But, that 5 litre V8 makes up for any shortcomings in the handling s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Quote from: "Slacey"But, that 5 litre V8 makes up for any shortcomings in the handling s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
nah na nah na nah na I'm not listening to you s:? :? s:? must resist
I reckon between the two of us Sean, we can get Mark to have his car up on Autotrader by Monday s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "markiii"bagsy second in the que :-) :-) :-)
Third s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
4th s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Just think of his running costs s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
I remember following a Griff 500 towards Harlow once and it come off this RaB I was in pursuit in my Clio 172 foot flat down hoping he'd show me who's boss, at which point he started to pull away with flames popping out the exhausts. Awesome car, superb sound!!!
Quote from: "edward.carter"Oi back on topic you 'orrible lot, call yourself moderators ! ! s:P :P s:P s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Didn't seem to have much effect Ed. Maybe you should tell 'em again ?
Or maybe topic drift is acceptable nowadays s:?: :?: s:?: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
My best mate had a Griff 500 which I had the pleasure of having a go in. He bought it new a few years back now s8) 8) s8)
I'm tempted to move this to Chit Chat.. any more TVR related stuff and I just might.. s;) ;) s;)
Happened to me just once on a complex cambered road in the wet, was more lack of response the car continued to turn left after I turned right on the complex camber. Or was it the tyres mmm dunlops on the front been very cautious at this roundabout ever since!
Normanh
Quote from: "red_leicester"Or maybe topic drift is acceptable nowadays s:?: :?: s:?: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Start a thread that's all about drifting and what do you expect?!?!? s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "jamesr1"Start a thread that's all about drifting and what do you expect?!?!? s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I'd not thought of it like that !! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I like to get the back end out every now and then to put a smile on my face s:D :D s:D ( local asda RaB is excellent for this!.
Have been caught out once or twice though (in the wet) - havin a 2 with smt have dropped down into 2nd rather than 3rd and the result is definately bumhole puckering! Anyone else with smt had similar experiences?