Anyone else see the "race" between the mark one and the roadster on top gear last night?
Nearly choked on my beer due to the fact that the roadster was at least being acknowledged by top gear!
5 pairs of cars, one old one new, had a sprint over a fifth of a mile (?) to see which generation was best.
Did we win, did we win?!?!?!
yes we won... i wonder what the MK1 owners think of that then! s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Damn!! Turned over to watch at 8pm as usual... just in time to see the credits!! Now I'm even more disappointed. I usually enjoy doing the washing up on a Sunday... gives me a chance to escape Monarch of the Heartbeat (or whatever) and watch TG in peace!! Still the SAS thing at 8pm was quite interesting... I won't go trying to attack Tony Bliar in a hurry!!
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"yes we won... i wonder what the MK1 owners think of that then! s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
They seem to think it was a fix... s:) :) s:)
I think Lauren said something along the lines of "Of course the Mk3 won, it's lighter and has more power, a fair test would have been vs a Mk2 NA" s:) :) s:)
And then something about the fact that her supercharged Mk1 would have beaten the Mk3.. (Well.. duh.. s:D :D s:D )..
Aaron 'the stirrer s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: ' Brailsford
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Quote from: "aaronjb"Quote from: "krisclarkuk"yes we won... i wonder what the MK1 owners think of that then! s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
They seem to think it was a fix... s:) :) s:)
I think Lauren said something along the lines of "Of course the Mk3 won, it's lighter and has more power, a fair test would have been vs a Mk2 NA" s:) :) s:)
And then something about the fact that her supercharged Mk1 would have beaten the Mk3.. (Well.. duh.. s:D :D s:D )..
Aaron 'the stirrer s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: ' Brailsford
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Er i've beaten a Mk1 supercharger. The gearing doesn't give a very fast 0 to 60.
Also the POINT was that the oldest went against the newest. Oh and we also beat the Mk2s anyway. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Yeah thought it woudl be something along the lines of that... when i saw it i said to penny "damn, i hope that aint the supercharged version!"... and looking at the results it wasnt! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
And I missed it s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Anyone know if it is repeated on one of the extra BBC Sky channels?
Quote from: "WoodenDummy"Er i've beaten a Mk1 supercharger. The gearing doesn't give a very fast 0 to 60.
Also the POINT was that the oldest went against the newest. Oh and we also beat the Mk2s anyway. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Yeah but Lauren's SC is putting out about 180bhp (apparently) and has no interior.. at all.. (Trackday queen, y'see. Oh, and mad..) s:D :D s:D s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Slacey"Anyone know if it is repeated on one of the extra BBC Sky channels?
Doesn't look like it s:( :( s:( I just checked Digiguide (http://www.digiguide.com) s:( :( s:( (I missed it too)
Don't suppose anyone videoed it? We could transfer it to mpeg if they did..
Aaron
Sure you are not the only ones to have missed it.
Clarkson started the show by having a dig at the BBC for moving them around in the schedules, he allegedly missed the show himself last week!
Pretty straightforward win for the Roadster against the heavily criticised mark one (for it's looks more than anything else)
Cannot remember all the other four head to heads, but the Escort Cosworth destroyed the RS Focus!
I taped it. No way of getting it onto mpeg though.
Quote from: "phil4"I taped it. No way of getting it onto mpeg though.
I can.. (I think.. The TV card in the PC alleges it can record to disk, at least, and I have Adobe Premier someplace)
Would you consider posting the tape to me? I could digitise it for the masses then..
Aaron
Quote from: "phil4"I taped it. No way of getting it onto mpeg though.
Im sure someone here could do it.
Chuck me a PM with your addy and I'll post it post next week. I'll have a stab first and see if I can do it. I'm pretty sure I can't, but you never know.
Consider that done Phil s:) :) s:)
If Arron cant, I can.
Top Gear is usually repeated on 564 (sky)... one of the UK channels so it will be there again. You didnt miss mutch... only there for about 5 secs! (fun to watch though!)
It was also fun to see what i've said about the Audi TT on a track as a proper sports car being backed up. It sucks. s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
I watched an episode on Saturday late (1am) that I "think" was the weeks (Aston DB7 and a 911 GT3). So it should be repeated again hopefully.
For reference, the next episodes that I can find are;
28/12/03 on BBC 2 - 20:00 to 21:00 which will be the next normal episode
And
04/01/04 on UK Horizons (564) - Top Gear GTi - 12:00 to 13:00
Quote from: "WoodenDummy"It was also fun to see what i've said about the Audi TT on a track as a proper sports car being backed up. It sucks. s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
It's just a golf in an expensive dress, if you ask me. And the golf lost it's handling crown years ago. You may as well buy a Leon Cupra R, and use the money you save to buy a proper car (like a second hand '2).
Which TT? I think the new 3.2 litre one is a bit special aint it?
Quote from: "cstevens"Which TT? I think the new 3.2 litre one is a bit special aint it?
The duel clutch gear box is a work of art, but its not much faster than the 225 around a track.
Quote from: "WoodenDummy"Quote from: "cstevens"Which TT? I think the new 3.2 litre one is a bit special aint it?
The duel clutch gear box is a work of art, but its not much faster than the 225 around a track.
The Stig reckoned it handled like a "clown car".
I'm saving for this - the 911 GT3, fallen in love with it!
(http://www2.uk.porsche.com/english/gbr/911/gt3/bilder/intro_foto.jpg)
Going back to the original post (not around here that much any more (Boooo......) so have only just cought up..........) I have actually OWNED the Mk1, both T-Bar (slightly less stiff and a little heavier) and the "coupe" and I can catagorically say that the N/A Mk1's were quick, but they are nowhere NEAR as quick as the Mk3. I like both cars (if I could have kept my T.Bar, I would have), but there just isn't any comparison. We are talking 1985 technology (1983 if you talk about Japanese launch dates) compared to 2000 technology. The Mk3 is lighter, more powerful and has the more sophisticated power delivery. It was ALWAYS going to win.........
Still want my old Mk1 back though. Lovely car...........
good job they didnt put the mk 3 up against the mk.2 turbo , now that would have been embarrising s:oops: :oops: s:oops: Have had bothe the mk 2 NA and turbo and the turbo was like #### of a shovel :-) :-) :-)
Quote from: "John Woodward"N/A Mk1's were quick, but they are nowhere NEAR as quick as the Mk3
Used to own one as well...actually had the Mk1&3 together for about a year. Mk3 wins in everything. Then again, like you said, the cars have 20 years inbetween. Mk3 should be better in everything...
But lets say you had £20k to spend on a used Mk1/3 and the remaining cash for tuning it. Now that would make things interesting s8) 8) s8)
Quote from: "perry190"turbo and the turbo was like #### of a shovel :-) :-) :-)
I just never seem to be able to get them to put the power down on track. I would prefer my Mk3 anytime to a Mk2 Turbo on track, the Mk3 handles its power so well. Just try telling that to a Max Puppet reader. s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Quote from: "John Woodward"Still want my old Mk1 back though. Lovely car...........
I had 3, and put one on its roof on track. If I had to pick the Mk3 or Mk1 engine i'd be hard pressed, they had great engines! s:) :) s:)
Yeah, agreed. The Mk1 engine was lovely and revved until it exploded!!! It was great! Even higher than the Mk3. 7800rpm if I remember right and no rev limiter, so on short bursts, maybe 8000!!!! Great engine...........
Anybody have a .mpg of the show? Since I'm in the states we don't get BBC/Top Gear. I love the show along with 5th Gear, but I only see what get's posted up over at RacingFlix.com.
You MUST be our furthest member then - cool!
Quote from: "John Woodward"Mk1 engine was lovely and revved until it exploded!!! It was great! Even higher than the Mk3. 7800rpm if I remember right and no rev limiter
It had a rev limiter. I don't remember where it was originally, cause I had a tuned ECU with a higher limit s8) 8) s8)
I've got a Mk1 I've had from new and a Mk3. The Mk1 seems much better built and the engine sounds wonderful in comparison to the later model. Back in the late 80's it was as quick around the track as a Ferrari 308. Wonder if we will look back at the Mk3 with the same affection.
p.s. I've had a TT too and anyone who says it is a golf in drag hasn't owned or driven one. A well driven TT would make mincemeat of an MR2.
Don't pay any attention to the prats on Top Gear....the new Stig isn't any where as near as good a driver as the old one, who just happened to drive for Audi at Le Mans and uses a TT as his everyday car.
Quote from: "Teucer2000"p.s. I've had a TT too and anyone who says it is a golf in drag hasn't owned or driven one. A well driven TT would make mincemeat of an MR2.
Sorry dude, I drove one for two weeks (225) and the only thing I liked about it was the engine (which can put out 300bhp easy, but I could buy a S3 if I wanted that and not look like a poser). I've also driven on and agasint one on track. The TT is a Golf down to its boots. Even its AWD system was compromised by the shape and design of its body, which is why it is out handled by other Audi's. Top Gear sumed it up when JC was laughing as it only just made it around a bend without hitting the turf.
In a line yes, it would eat a MR2 and maybe on a long, streched track but thats not why i'm here and on roads like this -
(http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:xLqXiW3b1xcC:www.highlandtoursus.com/curve)
We eat them alive.
Agreed on the TT. I had one for a week and also "raced" one at Brands atch and I don't think I have ever driven a car that has sucha "numbness" about it. I found it VERY difficult to find its limits safely as there was just no feedback from the car. Yeah, its limits were undoubtedly high (in the right circumstances and driven correctly), but getting there was like driving in the dark.
Looks nice, nasty to drive in my opinion. And I would struggle to see how the TT would beat the 2 on the windies to be honest, mainly cos the 2 gives you so much more info. Its limits may be lower, but you can reach them so much more readily............
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QuoteI've got a Mk1 I've had from new and a Mk3. The Mk1 seems much better built and the engine sounds wonderful in comparison to the later model. Back in the late 80's it was as quick around the track as a Ferrari 308. Wonder if we will look back at the Mk3 with the same affection.
To a point I would agree. The Mk1 was built from granite (cliche, I know, but correct all the same........) and I can see the interior and the structure of the car on my old Mk1 (which I still see as I know the guy who I sold it to) still going in about 5-10 years. Not sure the Mk3 would stand up to that. The engine on the Mk3 is a cracking engine, but would agree on the sound. The old Mk1 engine sounded like a proper little racer and was fab!!! The Mk1 would still give most modern GTi's a run for their money around a track (and so would the Corrolla GTi on which it was based. Horrid to look at, unsung hero when it came to the hot hatch stakes.........)
The steering does feel dead dosnt it. I'd take a Boxster if I wanted something with that power, but then i'd be looking at a NSX if I wanted a Boxster... *runs to find Autotrader...
oh dear he off on one now s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Quote from: "WoodenDummy"The steering does feel dead dosnt it. I'd take a Boxster if I wanted something with that power, but then i'd be looking at a NSX if I wanted a Boxster... *runs to find Autotrader...
Totally agree; NSX's are bloody good value second hand as well.
I'm just so used to low running costs on the MR2 I don't know if I want to get a NSX and up the costs. I should stop being a chimp and just get one really.
Quote from: "WoodenDummy"I'm just so used to low running costs on the MR2 I don't know if I want to get a NSX and up the costs. I should stop being a chimp and just get one really.
Did you see last nights Top Gear with the NSX Type-R... *drool*
They loved the car but said it was too fussy and over engineered - drove like a dream though, and they panned the fact it was 70k s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
I'd still buy one though if I had the cash s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
They are nice. I remember trying to blag a sit in one at a dealers when they first came out. No dice s:( :( s:(
There was one in Avonvale Stratford when I was looking at S2ks. Second hand, but still over 40k though.
And there is the problem. Too expensive. If I had that sort of money there are lots and lots of other cars I think I'd probably rather have.
back on topic.....
has anyone streamed that video yet?
It'll be in the post to Aaron today, 1st class. I don't have the technology to stream it.
If you know where and what to look for you can get them for about 20k. Also I know where I can get RX-7s with new radiators and re-built engines etc for 10k.
Quote from: "phil4"It'll be in the post to Aaron today, 1st class. I don't have the technology to stream it.
And it's arrived too.. I'm only here for one night though before I disappear off again until the 5th, so it won't get done until the new year.. But I'll do it as soon as I get back s:) :) s:)
Aaron
Wow.. the post worked. Amazing.
Out of my chrimble hole now and catching up on posts... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Quote from: "Parslad"Pretty straightforward win for the Roadster against the heavily criticised mark one (for it's looks more than anything else)
Cannot remember all the other four head to heads, but the Escort Cosworth destroyed the RS Focus!
I'm sure something was up with that start - I'm shocked that the escort cossie is that much faster - it just took off like it had caught it's exhasut in a mouse trap!!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
The only other race i can remember was a mk1 golf gti against a mk5 (obvious result), a leon cupra?, and boxster v 911 i think? roll on that vid... anyway the old cars had it 3-2.
edit: Ok, just seen the other fifth gear post in chit-chat... s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:oops: :oops: s:oops: