Don't know quite why it came about, but Jason (muffdan) moved his alarm sounder out of the inside of the frunk box onto the outside. It looked good so I did as well!
Apart from at least doubling the alarm sound (as I found out when I threw something into the alarmed car), it allows you to turn your spare wheel upside down and gain more storage space.
The position we found ideal was one bolt hole 12cm immediately below the left hand fixing hole, offer up the alarm bracket (U shape to the top edge), then make the second hole where required, and bolt in.
There may be some effect of having it out of the frunk (water, road rubbish etc.), but time will tell.
I also did mine, however check for fans on the radiators as that 12cm is a bit tight with fans and stuff!
Roger, I think thanks should go to Ian (E) as it was him who inspired it.
Quote from: "uktotty"I also did mine, however check for fans on the radiators as that 12cm is a bit tight with fans and stuff!
I'll check - seemed OK at the time.
Quote from: "custardavenger"Roger, I think thanks should go to Ian (E) as it was him who inspired it.
Thanks E.
BTW Russ (or anybody else) unless you don't want the spare or you reckon on making a cheapy yourself, do you want a shortened wheel holder from DarkDay on SC. $25 inc US shipping - slightly more for international. We could put in one box to share that!
Cheers for that Rob and yes it makes one hell of a difference both to the sound levels of the alarm and the increased storage. A bit worried about the mention of water and fans it sounds like they have been mounted underneath the frunk if that's the case I would think they would have a limited lifespan due to the water and salt Etc. What I did was to drill through the two spot welds that hold the two halves of the bracket together then with the frunk removed used those two holes to pop rivet the bracket to the frunk, top right hand corner as you look from the front of the car. in this position it is out of the way in fact you would think it was meant to go there and best of all it is out of the way of the weather can put a pic of it in position at the weekend if this would be of use.
Quote from: "E"can put a pic of it in position at the weekend if this would be of use.
Yes please E.
Quote from: "roger"unless you don't want the spare or you reckon on making a cheapy yourself, do you want a shortened wheel holder from DarkDay on SC. $25 inc US shipping - slightly more for international. We could put in one box to share that!
Yes please Rog, see if we can get a few ordered
Roger actually pointed to that very place and said "I think Ian put his there.." Before he could say any more Jason and Rob were drilling under the frunk in the custard-mobile s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
A picture would be very useful s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Quote from: "ekimq"Roger actually pointed to that very place and said "I think Ian put his there.." Before he could say any more Jason and Rob were drilling under the frunk in the custard-mobile s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
A picture would be very useful s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Mike must have had a long day. It wasn't me that said that, and it was Jason's they were drilling s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "uktotty"Yes please Rog, see if we can get a few ordered
I've asked for 3. You, me and possibly Jason whose a maybe! Anybody else want them before they are made?
Go on then Roger, Put me down for one.
Quote from: "ekimq"Roger actually pointed to that very place and said "I think Ian put his there.." Before he could say any more Jason and Rob were drilling under the frunk in the custard-mobile s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
Mike. I didn't do mine. I knew E had done it and was waiting to see how he did it. I had seen where he put it too, but couldn't work out how he'd got it there. Removing the bracket was the info I needed.
much cheaper to cut a few inches off the stock rod and retap it
thats what I did
Quote from: "markiii"much cheaper to cut a few inches off the stock rod and retap it
thats what I did
That is what DD is doing - but of course he has to source the part. And he gets through quite a few taps, apparently.
Any offers for a mass retap? I don't have that bit of kit.
One question though, if we cut the OEM, would a short one still hold a full size tyre? I would imagine so, but without going out and checking can't be sure.
Oh. Well if thats the case I'll thread my own. Or make a new one.
I would have though the biggest problem with threading them would be not breaking the plastic.
Personally, I reckon on just buying it in, because its not that expensive, unless somebody would offer to do the retap. That also leaves the original if it was ever needed
I don't mind having a go, but your right $25 is no money.
That said if it is the stock one with extended thread then it's just not good enough for this engineer as the way that it's produced. Also it's platted and theading it will remove that and make it rust.
I have a Toad alarm fitted (as well as the standard one - it was like that when I got it) and the sounder is down behind the front grill mounted to a hole that was already there it on the drivers side of the car. I can only assume whoever fitted the alarm for the previous owner actually did a good job and moved everything for them. I do know it makes it nice and loud when it goes off!!!!
I'm afraid you're right about the coating custard. I have no way of doing that and I don't think it would be even possible for a reasonable ammount of money as any sort of coating would make my threads useless unless it was REALLY thin. Not sure though. I will say the cutting oil that is used is extremely thick and seems to leave a small coat on the spindle even after being wiped with a paper towel. What I do is whenever i take my spare out to do maintainence or whatever is spray it with a shot of WD-40 just incase. So far I haven't seen any rust but YMMV.
I cut mine down and re tapped and all I've done is a small smear of copper slick grease on the threads just don't get hold of the thread end or you will get lubricated but it seems to keep the rust at bay.
OK guys - ordered 3 at the moment. Mine, Russ and Jason. If Jason doesn't want his please shout, if Rob does, please shout. Any more as production is starting.
Just an update there are 6 frunksavers spoken for and I have 7 on order. It looks like these will get made next weekend (Weekend of the 10th) and go out the following monday. Roger I can't remember how long it will take to get them overseas but I think it's about 2 weeks or a week and a half.
Please let me know asap if anyone else wants one.
OK Here are the pictures I promised of the alarm sounder in its new position.
Who says the 2 isn't practical, just look at all that storage space.
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp342/ianslaptop/DSC00941.jpg)
If you look closely on the right hand side you can just make out the two pop rivets that hold the alarm to the frunk
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp342/ianslaptop/DSC00940.jpg)
And here is the alarm neatly tucked away in the corner.
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp342/ianslaptop/DSC00938.jpg)
Hope these are helpful.
Great idea and pics,i think i will do this tomorrow as mine has the volume level of a wet fart.
I'd appreciate a bit more info on exactly how to do this mod.
Obviously you undo the two bolts and the electrics and drill out the U bracket rivets?
What about the wiring, can this just be taken out from the spare wheel holder?
Is the wiring long enough to reach the new location or do you have to 'cut and splice'?
Nuts and bolts will fix instead of pop rivits I'm sure.
Thanks
Yes the wiring just needs to be unplugged and it reaches the new position without any adaption all. s:) :) s:) make sure you block the hole where the wiring passes through into the frunk to stop water getting in there, a grommet would be great but I just used a piece of aluminum tape. and yes you could use nuts and bolts to fix it in place but you will of course have to be able to get a spanner or similar to the nuts on the outside of the frunk not sure how tricky this will be as I had some stainless steel rivets so that was the easiest option for me.
Just thinking maybe a good idea to point out to anyone thinking of doing this mod, please do not be tempted to travel around with the spare wheel unsecured as under severe braking the spare wheel will do its best to escape through you bonnet, you must either cut your own screw down and tap new threads on it or buy one of DDs ones that roger is talking about.
Quote from: "mrzwei"and drill out the U bracket rivets?
These are bolts - at least on all the ones I've seen. The nuts are welded below the support.
The drilling out is actually on spot welds. The bracket is in two pieces spotted together, drill through the spot welds, prise the two pieces apart and keep only the smaller piece.
Quote from: "E"The drilling out is actually on spot welds. The bracket is in two pieces spotted together, drill through the spot welds, prise the two pieces apart and keep only the smaller piece.
Sorry, misunderstood what was going on. Where I put it, and checked today plenty of room (a whole hand width) between the sounder and any radiator work.
"Right, let's just do it!" says I. Seems easy enough and that spot in the top right-hand corner looks perfect. Unfortunately, that perfect location looks a little different on my facelift with aircon:
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o420/ekimq/Dsc00077a.jpg)
The charge point sticks up in the middle of the gap and stops anything else going in there s:( :( s:(
Not to be outdone, I've stuck the alarm on the left side of the frunk:
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o420/ekimq/DSC00078.jpg)
Yay that wasn't too hard s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Now for the acid test.. close the bonnet.. set the alarm.. reach in to the car.. OH MY WORD!! OUCH, THAT'S REALLY *beep beep * loud! s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Nice job, I never thought about AC with not having it myself. an easy mod that makes so much difference and costs virtually nothing s8) 8) s8)
Ok guys I got them made today unfortunately monday is a postal holiday I just found out so they won't go out until tuesday. s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "darkday"unfortunately monday is a postal holiday s:( :( s:(
We're getting a lot of that over here too at the moment s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I've PM DD to offer to pay and sort out distribution in UK. Just to confirm 3 purchased, myself, Russ, Jason. I think he has one spare.
PM me AND DarkDay if anybody wants it.
That spare just sold however I do have one more uncut frunksaver due to a mixup on my dealers part. I didn't think I would sell my spare in one day so I was going to take it back. I will be keeping that now so if anyone wants it let me know. However unless I know within the next 2 hours it will have to ship seperately from the 3 Roger is handling and you will be charged full price for shipping. It will probably go out a week from monday if someone wants it (and doesn't let me know within 2 hours). And this really is the last one I have ordered/stocked.
DD / Roger - please can I have the last one - PM me to let me know how to pay ... Hope I am in time - thanks - Andy
Quote from: "AMH"DD / Roger - please can I have the last one - PM me to let me know how to pay ... Hope I am in time - thanks - Andy
It's yours. I'll PM roger with the updated price and you will pay for it through roger. They're being shipped to him first. Thanks. s:) :) s:)
Brilliant - many thanks.
Ok they've gone out. Roger should be receiving a nice package of 4 within the next week or two. Many thanks to all who contributed. s:) :) s:)
Was I on that list?
Quote from: "roger"OK guys - ordered 3 at the moment. Mine, Russ and Jason. If Jason doesn't want his please shout, if Rob does, please shout. Any more as production is starting.
Here's the last list I saw UKTotty so I believe that's a yes. Can't speak for Roger though, I just know 4 were ordered in total from me by Roger.
The four are me, Russ (UKtotty), Jason (muffdan) and Andy (AMH).
I'll let you guys know the cost when they are in my hands.
If anyone wants help installing this contact me, this is the level of my engineering expertise
Quote from: "uktotty"If anyone wants help installing this contact me, this is the level of my engineering expertise
Are you the expert now Russ?
Quote from: "custardavenger"Quote from: "uktotty"If anyone wants help installing this contact me, this is the level of my engineering expertise
Are you the expert now Russ?
Didn't say anything about moving the sounder, just fitting the FrunkSaver s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I've just done this mod, looks and sounds a lot better, one word of warning, don't carry your keys in your pocket when carrying out this mod, especially if you lock the car by mistake and then remove the sounder s:scared: :scared: s:scared: s:scared: :scared: s:scared: s:scared: :scared: s:scared: I didn't realise it had battery back up and the noise was LOUD. s:flame: :flame: s:flame:
Rob
lol! Yeah, it's always kinda worrying when you unplug it and it starts its beep-beep-ticking-bomb-countdown thing it does! Even when its disarmed it still does it when its unplugged.
Quote from: "muffdan"lol! Yeah, it's always kinda worrying when you unplug it and it starts its beep-beep-ticking-bomb-countdown thing it does! Even when its disarmed it still does it when its unplugged.
At least it's not an aftermarket one - a lot of those will start going off if you unplug them without putting the alarm into valet mode first..
As I found out when I did that on the Nissan - nearly brained myself on the underside of the bonnet as a result s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "muffdan"lol! Yeah, it's always kinda worrying when you unplug it and it starts its beep-beep-ticking-bomb-countdown thing it does! Even when its disarmed it still does it when its unplugged.
Does it go off after 'x' amount of time even if disarmed, or just do the beep beep thing?
Thanks,
Stu
Quote from: "StuM"Quote from: "muffdan"lol! Yeah, it's always kinda worrying when you unplug it and it starts its beep-beep-ticking-bomb-countdown thing it does! Even when its disarmed it still does it when its unplugged.
Does it go off after 'x' amount of time even if disarmed, or just do the beep beep thing?
Thanks,
Stu
The beeping goes off after a short period.
Quote from: "FGRob"Quote from: "StuM"Quote from: "muffdan"lol! Yeah, it's always kinda worrying when you unplug it and it starts its beep-beep-ticking-bomb-countdown thing it does! Even when its disarmed it still does it when its unplugged.
Does it go off after 'x' amount of time even if disarmed, or just do the beep beep thing?
Thanks,
Stu
The beeping goes off after a short period.
Great, thanks Rob.
Moved the sounder yesterday, can't believe the difference it makes! I can now hear the alarm go off when I'm indoors, even with the TV on! s:D :D s:D
Did mine yesterday,What a big difference for less than an hours work.
Hi guys - Frunksavers in town. I'll PM you all with details.
Many thanks Sam.
Quote from: "E"I cut mine down and re tapped
Any idea what size die is require to cut the thread? All my dies seem to be different sizes s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "Gif"Quote from: "E"I cut mine down and re tapped
Any idea what size die is require to cut the thread? All my dies seem to be different sizes s:? :? s:?
M8 1.25
Quote from: "E"M8 1.25
Thanks M8 s:lol: :lol: s:lol: sorted it yesterday, wheel now safely upside down and installed.
Would there be any interest in another group buy on frunksavers? I can't remember how much the shipping is on individual frunksavers to the UK but I recall it being quite cheap to do a mass shipment over there.
Here's the main thread on spyderchat. m http://spyderchat.com/forums/showthread ... age-Space! (http://spyderchat.com/forums/showthread.php?30824-GB-Frunksaver-(More-Storage-Space!) m !)-30-Shipped
Just done this little mod, top idea
s:D :D s:D now have an easy place to put my gym bag and the gas struts make it so simple
used the old bracket drilled out the spot welds as suggested, now who said the 2 was'nt practical s:D :D s:D
Hi guys ive just had a go at this very easy done
but i have no alarm sounder in my frunk
its a uk car(i think) no jap writing on sun shades uk key remote locking/dead locking
any ideas anyone please
cheers
steve
Quote from: "stevieb1973"Hi guys ive just had a go at this very easy done
but i have no alarm sounder in my frunk
its a uk car(i think) no jap writing on sun shades uk key remote locking/dead locking
any ideas anyone please
cheers
steve
Need more info/pics, do you think it has been removed? Are the wires there?
Quote from: "stevieb1973"Hi guys ive just had a go at this very easy done
but i have no alarm sounder in my frunk
its a uk car(i think) no jap writing on sun shades uk key remote locking/dead locking
any ideas anyone please
cheers
steve
If you unscrew the stock spare wheel and remove it, then you should see the black sounder attached to a metal bracket with the cable disappearing through the bottom of the frunk. If it's not there then it may've been moved already or not present in the first place - what happens when you lean in with the roof down but alarm set? At worst, I have a spare alarm/bracket I can sell ya s:) :) s:)
Maybe already done! Suggest you try to set the alarm off, like putting it on with roof down then lean into car, to find out where it is, if you can't see iy obviously in the frunk.
Hi guys their is nowt there when i remove the spare
ive put the window down and waited about 5 mins put my arm in window nothing happened
i also dead locked it from the outside and waited put my arm in and even put key and turn it on still nothing
steve
well it certainly sounds like there is no alarm fitted, or at least working!
When you press the lock button on the key and the indicators flash, do you then get a red light on the heater panel or next to the coin slot to the left of the steering wheel? one of them is the alarm light but can't remember which (and it's only been just over a month since i last drove mine - shocking memory.. s:oops: :oops: s:oops: )
Are there any obvious signs of relocation on the sides of the bin? It won't go far due to the length of the cable so you could always take the plastics off and have a quick look to see if you can spot it - maybe it's just unplugged?
Hi chris i get the flashing one on the heater panel
ive not got a led next to the coin slot
i will have a look about tomorrow for the sounder i took the plastics of yesterday to recharge the aircon
I didnt see it them
steve
Hi guys here is a pic of my frunk
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k154/stevieb1973/DSCI0673.jpg)
no sign of any place where an alarm sound could have been mounted
steve
Thought about this mod once then thought about how many times my alarm has gone off in the eight years of ownership, then thought of the times I have actually heard a car alarm go off (loud or quiet) and then thought "WTF...I hope that goes off soon!!!"
..........So I have never bothered s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Still a good space saving mod though
Steve the alarm would have been mounted on the bottom of the frunk where the two screw holes are about 6" apart.
Looks like you need to take out the frunk as the alarm is probably mounted underneath.
If that had ever had an alarm there'd be a great big hole drilled in the frunk (just above the rubber grommet the spare tyre bolt goes through). I'd say that's never had an alarm, backed up by the lack of red light by the steering wheel (but it has an immobiliser if it has the red light in the heater controls).
Japanese or European import with no alarm fitted.
So it could be an European import is their anyway of telling
steve
Hi guys right ive just looked at the service history and the supplying dealer is germany i think
its came from
Garage Celis
st.bernardsesteenweg 733-735
2660 hobken
steve
Could well have been bought and imported by somebody in the forces.
IIRC somebody has said the alarm was a fitting at entry into UK, so I guess that's where it missed out. If you've got all the wires (basically a black (?) plug) swinging around underneath the wheel box, then buying a sounder my well be the easy way out.
Having said that, no alarm and (technically) an import could well not be what your insurance company expect s:( :( s:(
Yep, alarm was fitted at port of entry to be Thatcham approved .. I don't think the wiring loom (or bonnet & boot sensors) will be there, so you'd have to retro fit the whole thing. By which point you may as well go off and get a Toad/Clifford/whatever fitted by an alarm installer s:) :) s:)
Does anyone know who makes the alarm please
also i wonder if it would be possible to remove the parts needed from a salvage 2
steve
I seem to recall it's a toyota specific jobbie called TVSS (Tyoyota Vehicle Security system iirc) but not sure if it's actually just a rebadged something else..
As for buying the bits from a salvage, then I just so happen to be breaking my '2 at the moment... I've already got the sounder and brackets from the front bin off the car, but not sure what else would be needed - presumably you'll need the rest of the cables so when I'm back at Mark's (where the car is, probably 1st week jan) I'll have a look to see if I can trace that cable and see where it goes...
You've got PM...
Glad I just found this thread. I thought my siren was faulty or the backup batt in it was dying, cos it sounded so weary. Even phoned my local Toyota dealer and asked them what the prob might be, who just told me (predictably) bring it in for diagnosis s:? :? s:? It never occurred to me that it sounds quiet because... IT'S MOUNTED UNDER THE SPARE TYRE IN A SEALED BOX UNDER THE BONNET!
I shall be doing this mod soon. Stupid place to install it in the first place!
Just for reference, based on the great information in this thread, I've done a 'How To' with pictures for the alarm move.
Available here... l viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44216) l
Perfect! s:D :D s:D
Done! Using AndyM's very helpful how to guide.
The frunk now looks tidier, if it wasn't for the piece of silver tape over the hole you'd never know there used to be anything there. Easier to get spare in & out plus more room for extra gubbins s:D :D s:D And the siren... It hurts my ears now it's so loud!
I extended the thread on the spare wheel retainer shaft using an M8x1.25 die & then chopped it down about 70mm, fits nicely.
Did this a few days ago.... Is it my imagination, my key blipper seems to work better now?!?!