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The Workshop => General => Topic started by: CJB on May 27, 2010, 07:40

Title: LSD
Post by: CJB on May 27, 2010, 07:40
All the toyota dealers say that the MRS does NOT have a LSD. No one knows. Toyota technical don't know. Only the spreadsheet on this forum suggests that UK/europe cars have LSD as standard. I believe that it is a mistake. Who drew up that sheet and why did they put that statement in.

Can anyone help?
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: onion86 on May 27, 2010, 07:46
I think it's not standard on an 'MRS' (being that they are the imports) but some boxes do have them (think you can tell somehow from some letter stamped on the end of the chassis number or something). Pretty sure UK cars have LSD as standard.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: spit on May 27, 2010, 07:53
There was some info gleaned from a website in Japanese which hinted that a "B" suffix  on the J-Spec VIN plate under "Tra/Axle" means LSD. "A" means no LSD.

Other than a very poor translation of that web page, I'm not aware that this has been confirmed.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: CJB on May 27, 2010, 07:57
What I mean is - I don't believe post 03 UK sold roadsters have an LSD base on what I've been told. To me it is important as its why I originally wanted an MR-S. The only mid-engined affordable sports car with an LSD (Torsen). I am really disappointed that is most likely does not have an LSD.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: spit on May 27, 2010, 08:02
oops my mistake.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: FGrob on May 27, 2010, 08:09
Quote from: "CJB"What I mean is - I don't believe post 03 UK sold roadsters have an LSD base on what I've been told. To me it is important as its why I originally wanted an MR-S. The only mid-engined affordable sports car with an LSD (Torsen). I am really disappointed that is most likely does not have an LSD.
Hmmmm - what a load of crap, suggest you and whom ever told you that read the following:

 m http://www.carpages.co.uk/toyota/toyota ... _09_02.asp (http://www.carpages.co.uk/toyota/toyota_mr2_roadster_06_09_02.asp) m

As for the MRS - why - whats the matter with a UK car you get a LSD after 03 as standard  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: muffdan on May 27, 2010, 08:36
Having had a couple of gearboxes stripped, I can confirm they had LSD's. The car also drives and handles like it has an LSD. I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed if their car didn't have an LSD by now.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: onion86 on May 27, 2010, 08:37
In the past loads of people have been selling 6-speed boxes with LSD (as I almost bought one when my 5-speed died), so I'm pretty sure the 03+ box does have one?

*EDIT* Jason beat me to it  s:) :) s:)
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: FGrob on May 27, 2010, 08:44
[MOD]Removed some unfriendly content, I will have words with the OP [/MOD]

OK you did not look to hard then, how about:

 m http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarr ... a_mr2.html (http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/32231/toyota_mr2.html) m

 m http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/ca ... 02513.html (http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/toyota-mr2-roadster-1002513.html) m

 m http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/1479 ... dster.html (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/1479/Toyota-MR2-Roadster.html) m

 m http://www.supercarsite.net/toyota/mr2-roadster/2003 (http://www.supercarsite.net/toyota/mr2-roadster/2003) m

  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:    s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: CJB on May 27, 2010, 08:55
Thanks to everyone - it looks like you've confirmed that the 6 speed version has a LSD. I can start looking. Cheers
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: Wabbitkilla on May 27, 2010, 15:08
[MOD]OK, if we can keep this on topic, and try and not take offense where none was meant it would be useful. Some content to this thread has been removed, the initial attack and the consequent commentary which is no longer relevant ... don't worry boys, it's not your fault i've removed it - I will contact the OP directly [/MOD]
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: ChrisGB on May 27, 2010, 17:58
Quote from: "CJB"Thanks to everyone - it looks like you've confirmed that the 6 speed version has a LSD. I can start looking. Cheers

For clarity, specifically you do not want an MR-S. The MR-S is the Japanese market car and on these, the LSD was an optional extra. What you do want is an official Toyota GB sold MR2 which had an LSD as standard.

If you go shopping for an MR-S or grey import, you may or may not get a LSD. Shop for UK supplied MR2 and you will get a LSD provided the car is on its original box. Simples!

Chris
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: cclarke99 on May 28, 2010, 09:45
Looking on the Toyo diy website you get the following part numbers for the differential

2004 car UK
41301    CASE SUB-ASSY, REAR DIFFERENTIAL
41301-20230    ZZW30    1    € 1,026.86

2004 car Japan
41301    CASE SUB-ASSY, REAR DIFFERENTIAL
41301-20230    ZZW30; アリ(L.S.D)    1    $1,766.16
41301-32061    ZZW30    1    $649.15

2002 car UK
41301    CASE SUB-ASSY, REAR DIFFERENTIAL
41301-20230    ZZW30; W(LSD)    1    € 1,026.86
41301-32061    ZZW30..EUR    1    € 341.82

2002 car Japan
41301    CASE SUB-ASSY, REAR DIFFERENTIAL
41301-20230    ZZW30; アリ(L.S.D)    1    $1,766.16
41301-32061    ZZW30    1    $649.15

So 41301-20230 is the LSD differential for both markets and 41301-32061 is the open diff. LSD is standard from 2003 onwards on UK cars but still an option on the MR-S. One thing to note is the big price difference, if people at Toyota can't tell what your car has fitted, you could get ripped off (or a bargain).

In the manual it says the following

2000-2002 gearbox type C56
2003 on   gearbox type C65

With a  date code in the form

Y MM XXXXX (where XXXXX is a 2 or 5 digit production code)

Apparently the number is stamped on the top front edge of the clutch housing, but I couldn't find it in the car as theres too much stuff in the way.
Title: Re: LSD
Post by: CJB on May 28, 2010, 10:01
Thats useful info - thanks for that cclarke99