So I have one of these:-
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A great car and is good fun but could do with a bit more oomph
1st idea was to fit one of these
(https://www.jdmracingmotors.com/images/EnginePics/Full/1701_DSC_3443.jpg)
But finding a suitable gearbox proved to be a fruitless exercise so I started thinking about a V6 swap.
Then this turned up on ebay
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NUcAAOSwdIFX0wNc/s-l1600.jpg)
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Some beverage tokens changed hands and its now in my shed s:) :) s:)
The manifold shows signs of a previous repairs by untrained marmosets
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this has been handed to my tame fabricator who will either repair or make a new one.
The turbo has been tested and spins up nicely on compressed air with no leaks. No play in the shaft either.
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The turbo is missing the actuator, but I have managed to source a replacement.
The kit also comes with an e-manage blue (frustratingly I just sold an Apexi PFC last month s:evil: :evil: s:evil: ) but has the cables and software so I'll run with it for now
A beast of a dump valve
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Not sure if I'll keep this as I do prefer the sound of wastegate chatter
Also in the package was the wiring loom, boost sensor, some hoses and a few other bits.
I've ordered in a few extra bit to improve reliability.
Mishimoto Radiator
Oil cooler kit with auxilary oil pressure and temp gauges
Boost gauge (tho I did realise that buying a mechanical one was foolish as I'll need to run a pipe through the cabin s:oops: :oops: s:oops: )
Further mods will include a barrel type charge cooler to keep the pipework nice and short
Next step will be to do a head leak check, and compression test before I start the fitting process
What's the waste gate setting going to be?
0.5 Bar or 7.35Psi from the factory, however it can be changed by changing the sping, so I have also ordered a 0.3 and a 0.8
Will be starting off with a 0.3 and work up from there
This is the Actuator
m http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/kinug ... ation.aspx (http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/kinugawabilletadjustableturboactuatoruniversalapplication.aspx) m
So no need for a boost controller, just run wastegate pressure as dictated by the spring? Sounds like a simple way to do things, as long as you keep an eye on boost with a guage (which you have mentioned)
Also, "untrained marmosets" had me sniggering
Quote from: "iower"Also, "untrained marmosets" had me sniggering
I've seen the state of the repair and I still laughed.
The .3 should be spot on for what your looking for.
Head gasket leak test was successful s:) :) s:)
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after 15mins of Idle, no bubbles or colour change s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
The same cannot be said for my Alfa 147 s:( :( s:( decided to test that as well and it seems I have gas in my coolant s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Parts arriving on a daily Basis s:) :) s:)
We now have:-
Manifold & Turbo wrap
Reading the articles there seems to be a lot of heat so decided these would be prudent
Oil Cooler Kit
Overkill? perhaps, but better to be safe than sorry and the sandwich plate gives me the feeds for my oil pressure & temp gauges
Apexi Air Filter
Genuine not a copy. The one in the kit was bent and well loved and I do like the Apexi filters
Braided Oil return line & Hose Finishers
Bit of bling never hurts, and the feed is braided so might as well make them match
New Sump
Makes the fitting of the oil drain easier and the old one will be retained so if it all goes Pete Tong I can go back to N/A
Timing chain tensioner
The seal on mine is leaking a bit so decided to replace the whole thing
Just waiting for the Turbo Manifold to be returned from the fabricator and I can get started
Oh yes.... and one more thing....
Someone posted on here about Joining the 2 O2 sensors together so both the left and right banks are connected to one sensor, Cant find it tho
I want to do this as the Turbo downpipe has 2 sensor holes and I want to utilise one for a Wideband sensor
Need to be linked regardless. You need to link both signal wires, white from memory.
So basically I just need to make up a Y adaptor lead with all wires joined
2 sockets to the the loom for Bank A/B and one plug to the O2 sensor?
Yep
Which sandwich plate mate from where and how much?
Oil cooler is on my list too.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Which sandwich plate mate from where and how much?
Oil cooler is on my list too.
this one:-
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m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152148252270 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152148252270) m
Have to say for the money it looks pretty good
Will be testing parts prior to fitting
Just need to figure out where to fit it
Do you think its ok it not being thermostatic?
I supose it just takes it a little longer to warm the oil.
I did think about that, and I may well change the sandwich plate to a thermostatic one at a later date.
its quite a small so I'm thinking it should be OK. Had I gone for a larger one then I would have gone for a thermostatic one, but that then gives a further headache of location.
After thinking about it i will probably go for the exact same cooler but with the thermostatic sandwich plate wasnt much more expensive.
m http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-Row-Universal ... nav=SEARCH (http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-Row-Universal-AN10-Trust-oil-cooler-Thermostat-Sandwich-Plate-adapter-kit-BK-/281845976971?nav=SEARCH) m
I looked at that one (or at least a similar one)
I cant recommend one yet as I haven't fitted it so it could leak from every joint lol, but the quality seems there. There are no tool chatter marks on the sandwich plate (often found on cheaper machined parts) and so it looks like its been through some kind of rudimentary QC.
Double post
Picked up a couple of these today from my local motorparts store:-
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Only a fiver each so thought a brace of those in the turbo intake and we'll be pushing 400Hp s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
Then the creative juices stated flowing, so I apologised to the shopkeeper and left.
Now the slightly more serious bit.
maintaining engine bay temps are a challenge when it comes to turbocharging, moreso when its mid engines, so I got to thinking... extractor fans... run these on a thermostatic switch to extract hot air from the engine bay using some 3" ducting
probably a daft idea but I'm not one to pass up a bargain s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I would say air in over air out but the idea has merit
Quote from: "rbuckingham"I would say air in over air out but the idea has merit
Fair point, I did think that as well
Maybe one sucking air in to the engine bay, and the other blowing air out
Quote from: "Essex2Visuvesi"Quote from: "rbuckingham"I would say air in over air out but the idea has merit
Fair point, I did think that as well
Maybe one sucking air in to the engine bay, and the other blowing air out
Suck air in via the engine lid vents.
Air flowing under the car sucks it out.
For the SW20, but food for thought nonetheless: m https://twosrus.com/catalog/product_inf ... ucts_id=96 (https://twosrus.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=96) m
Quote from: "Alex Knight"For the SW20, but food for thought nonetheless: m https://twosrus.com/catalog/product_inf ... ucts_id=96 (https://twosrus.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=96) m
Thanks for the link
I'm going to speak to Headcase as Scottie has suggested he sells a deck lid fan "Kit"
This weeks ebay bargain
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35.00 delivered s:) :) s:)
The manifold is on its way back from the Fab guy so hopefully I can start soon s:) :) s:)
Right
Having a few issues attaching the actuator s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
looking at the pics of other PE turbo kits it seems the arm on the wastegate is 90Deg out
Can anyone who has the PE Kit installed take a closeup pic of the turbo? particularly the actuator, rod and wastegate arm
Take a close pic of your wastegate arm
Quote from: "rbuckingham"Take a close pic of your wastegate arm
If you look at the 6th Pic of the first post you can see the orientation of the arm in the closed position
Then you will need to get that sorted or get a bracket made with a bespoke actuator and bolt to the exhaust housing. My arm points towards the engine so towards the bottom of your pic.
Thanks for that.... I thought it wasn't right
May have to do some jiggery faffery
After much buggering about I have found the correct bracket and have one on order
JDM Parts were very helpful and are sending me just the bracket as they had a customer return with a faulty actuator for the cost of the postage s:) :) s:)
I know I could have made one up myself but for time involved it seemed silly
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Power Enterprise were not much help as all the email addresses I have found for them bounces back as undelivered
The manifold is back and repaired. Although I'm having a new tubular one made up to the same specs.
I was going to wrap the manifold but after doing a little research there seems to be 2 trains of thought on this.
This post by Guy Croft makes for interesting reading:-
m http://www.guy-croft.com/viewtopic.php? ... hilit=wrap (http://www.guy-croft.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=759&hilit=wrap) m
As some of the older members will probably know this guy is a genuine legend when it comes to the Fiat/Lancia Twin cam engine
Been doing some research into wideband sensors, what are people opinions on this one?
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Compression test done today
Cold Engine that hasn't been run for about 3 weeks
150,150,145,143
Was hoping for a little better than that s:( :( s:(
Also looked at where to fit the ST205 Chargecooler. Big problem, no room at the inn, even if I relocate the battery
Innvoate are reccomended by Link or Syvecs something like that so must be ok. Some people had issues with their sensor but they use the latest Bosch these days.
I was going to get there MTX range but now i think i may get the Aem wifi X as it combines AFR with EGT and it doesnt require a gauge. Will display on your phone or tablet over wifi.
No gauge? But what will the other half watch
Quote from: "rbuckingham"No gauge? But what will the other half watch
The road as i am too busy watching tablets/gauges.
Another reason i like innovate is you can re calibrate the O2 sensor some people think this is a drawback they are wrong.
m http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/reso ... ibrate.php (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/resources/whycalibrate.php) m
One of the most important things with the PE turbo, is to brace the manifold. With the turbo sitting above the manifold, it is harder to brace, and , as with a lot of these tubular manifolds, be prepared for cracking at some point. That would be a good reason not to wrap it, for me, to keep an eye on things.
Quote from: "loadswine"One of the most important things with the PE turbo, is to brace the manifold. With the turbo sitting above the manifold, it is harder to brace, and , as with a lot of these tubular manifolds, be prepared for cracking at some point. That would be a good reason not to wrap it, for me, to keep an eye on things.
As you can see from the previous posts the cracking has already happened and has been repaired. I will be bracing the manifold in some way
Yes, I had seen that, and note that it has been repaired. It did look a bit distressed. s;) ;) s;)
My point was, that even with really good welding on the manifold, the design is such that it will be at risk. I have been through this myself. My first turbo was a PE, with a cracked manifold, amongst other things, which I had welded and then completely re installed, but the manifold cracked again, after a short time. I had a small, but effective brace installed, to triangulate the manifold, and it held up for a good long time, after that.
The brace basically ran from the turbo flange, back to the flange that meets the head. Its not the only way of doing it though. Be interested to see what you go for
Quote from: "loadswine"Yes, I had seen that, and note that it has been repaired. It did look a bit distressed. s;) ;) s;)
My point was, that even with really good welding on the manifold, the design is such that it will be at risk. I have been through this myself. My first turbo was a PE, with a cracked manifold, amongst other things, which I had welded and then completely re installed, but the manifold cracked again, after a short time. I had a small, but effective brace installed, to triangulate the manifold, and it held up for a good long time, after that.
The brace basically ran from the turbo flange, back to the flange that meets the head. Its not the only way of doing it though. Be interested to see what you go for
Don't suppose you have a pic of the brace?
I do somewhere, also my old mate Perry made a barce for his PE too, slightly different design, but it would have been effective. Perry was a bit of a dab hand with this sort of stuff. I might have a pic of that one too. I will have a hunt around and see what I can find.
Found them!
First of all, Perry's brace:-
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(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/PE%20pipework%20routes/DSC00574.jpg)
And this was my attempt:-
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Cheers for the pics, most informative! Perry's brace was pretty much what I had in mind.
Annoyingly we were going to go with the blue engine cover and Brace as you have s:( :( s:( so we'll have to think of something else!
First apologies for messing up your last post. Pressed the wrong button, when trying to add a quote. s:oops: :oops: s:oops: mod slip by me, I'm afraid, sorry.
I think Perry's was a good, robust solution. Pleased to see you've made a start. No problem with replicating that colour scheme, as that was 5 cars ago for me and that setup no longer exists on that car. Current owner has a 2GR V6 in there. s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "loadswine"First apologies for messing up your last post. Pressed the wrong button, when trying to add a quote. s:oops: :oops: s:oops: mod slip by me, I'm afraid, sorry.
I think Perry's was a good, robust solution. Pleased to see you've made a start. No problem with replicating that colour scheme, as that was 5 cars ago for me and that setup no longer exists on that car. Current owner has a 2GR V6 in there. s;) ;) s;)
No problem!
Now have the manifold in Hand so on Adam and I started pulling bits off s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
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Yes I know he's not a real man.... there's an instruction manual! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
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Crash bar and exhaust is next on the list for removal. But first a few days of plus gassing
Suprised at the size of the std exhaust, the CHE exhaust thats on the way from the US should be considerably lighter
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If anyone wants the stock system (Manifold is sold and I'm keeping the sport cat) then its free to whoever wants to collect it once its off
A little bit of up update
The Acutaor bracket problem has been solved with a bracket from Kinugawa (meant for a subaru legacy) that just needs one of the fixing holes moving
Have decided to go with a water-air intercooling with the pre rad in front of the normal radiator.
The pre rad is from a Ford Focus RS MK1. A mate had upgraded his one for for a front mounted air-air so I grabbed it, I grabbed the chargecooler but it wouldnt fit. I also picked up a chargecooler from Toyota Celica T205 but again it wasn't suitable without some convoluted boost piping
Need to find a TRD stage 2 spoiler to give some extra airflow to the pre rad
Water pump and resevoir are both again from the MK1 Focus RS
Trying to find a water intercooler that will fit in the stock PE pipework proved tricky as it doesn't allow much length but finally found one to fit
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Not the prettiest in the world but they do the job and will maintain the existing pipe run. Keeping the boost run as short as possible should reduce boost losses and refuce lag.
The 2ZZ injectors are on their way to injectortune for a clean and flow test. Knowing the true max flow rate of each injector will make the ECU setup easier.
This brings me to my choice of ECU
I was going to go E Manage Ultimate but after some further research this may not be the best option, so I'm now considering the Apexi PFC (Stupidly I sold the one I bought last year) one of the reasons is that I have made contact with a member of spiderchat who is running almost the same setup as I'm planning. And has offered me his maps to use as a baseline. The PFC also has the advantages that it doesn't fight with the existing ECU and it's true plug and play into the existing harness. The car is an import so I wont loose the immobiliser or alarm as it doesn't have them (well not facory ones anyway s;) ;) s;) )
Other parts purchased include an wideband AFR sensor and gauge
More gauges than a 747. I now have 7 pods for guages. 3 will be on the top of the centre cubby, 3 on the pillar and the boost gauge on the binnacle.
Gauges:-
[list=]AFR
Boost
Oil Pressure
Oil Temp
dual Intercooler temp in & out
EGT
Chargecooler water temp[/list]
Still need to decide on an electronic boost controller
That's about all for now, hoping to start spannering when the weather improves
Going to be following this and hopefully stealing some of your idea's s:D :D s:D How bad a fit was the celica intercooler as id considered that idea myself
As far as we could work out there is no where it can be fitted that doesn't either hinder access, create convoluted boost pipe runs, or just look messy.
one to consider might be the Focus RS MK1 chargecooler
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Was hoping not to spend any money on the car this month, but these have just appeared on evilbay
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Someone please buy them before I do!
Must resist
They look lovely but you need to be careful with Brides...especially recliners. A friend had a pair of carbon backs that appeared to be completely real (and the price would make you cry)... He hit a tree backwards at a fairly slow speed and they completely snapped on the reclining point, not ideal..
(I'm also fairly sure them ones are fakes)
Quote from: "Jims"They look lovely but you need to be careful with Brides...especially recliners. A friend had a pair of carbon backs that appeared to be completely real (and the price would make you cry)... He hit a tree backwards at a fairly slow speed and they completely snapped on the reclining point, not ideal..
(I'm also fairly sure them ones are fakes)
I have a feeling you could be right.. they don't look quite right and I cant find them on any of the jap sites. Did find the same in Black "leather" on alibaba s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Quote from: "Essex2Visuvesi"Quote from: "Jims"They look lovely but you need to be careful with Brides...especially recliners. A friend had a pair of carbon backs that appeared to be completely real (and the price would make you cry)... He hit a tree backwards at a fairly slow speed and they completely snapped on the reclining point, not ideal..
(I'm also fairly sure them ones are fakes)
I have a feeling you could be right.. they don't look quite right and I cant find them on any of the jap sites. Did find the same in Black "leather" on alibaba s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Aye as far as im aware the whole "bride europe" lot are all fakes. That and all though they look nice, as you've said, they don't look quite right especially when compared to real cuga's.
Had a visit from a friendly chap from IMOC who dropped of a rather cheekly little aquamist water injection kit s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
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Pulled some more bits off ready to fit the turbo.
Spotted some worrying looking rust on the rear crossmember that looks like it needs some furrther investigation
Decided that the pillar mount guage pod looks stupid and is far too in yer face so will have to rethink my guage layout
Many parts cleaned and prepped for paint
Attempted to remove the front bumper but the lower bolts seem to be just spinning will abuse further this week (weather permitting)
A sad day today
Had the car in the air and found I my rear subframe is shot top looks ok but the bottom is Swiss cheese especially where the rear arms connect
Also found rust in the body box sections so I need to get a grown up to check it before I decide what to do, but it's not looking good s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "Essex2Visuvesi"A sad day today
Had the car in the air and found I my rear subframe is shot top looks ok but the bottom is Swiss cheese especially where the rear arms connect
Also found rust in the body box sections so I need to get a grown up to check it before I decide what to do, but it's not looking good s:( :( s:(
ah no man! s:-( :-( s:-(
the rear subframe whilst expensive is at least a known entity - what/where is the body box section??
Well I haven't updated this for a while as not much happened.
A lot of remedial work has needed to be done to the car but now a change in Job/Divorce/Impending house move mean that I will be selling this as I really can't justify keeping this and 3 other cars anymore :'(
The turbo kit will be offered for sale this weekend along with the car and a load of other bits and bobs.
Sorry to hear that mate.
Best of luck.
Don't worry
We will be back.... I just need to downsize the toy box for a while