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Title: Change clutch
Post by: shnazzle on February 1, 2017, 14:13
How To: Clutch Change

This guide is written keeping in mind one person doing the job. Certain parts may be easier/less hassle if you have a helper.

PlusGas everything well in advance multiple times. Especially the 3 amigos on the exhaust and all of the nearside suspension arm bolts.

Use plastic bags to label and sort bolts so you don't lose them. Or masking tape. Or whatever your method is. Just don't be that guy/gal looking for an hour for that one bolt or nut.

Warning - You CAN do expensive harm to your car if not done correctly. If you are not confident or have no previous experience in this kind of work, leave it to a pro. Clutch work will usually set you back about GBP 250 in labour excluding parts. For something done probably once in the life of your car, it's not a big amount

Materials

Tools

Preparation

Step 1 - Remove engine lid and strut cross bars

Step 2 - Remove intake

Step 3 - Remove battery and tray

Step 4 - Free gear link cables and wiring bolts

Step 5 - Undo topside transmission bolts

Step 6 - Brace up the engine and transmission

Step 7 - Undo left engine mount

Step 8 - Lift car and remove nearside wheel

Step 9 -  Undo all nearside suspension arms at the crossmember end

Step 10 -  Remove nearside drive shaft

Step 11 -  Undo starter motor
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: Joesson on February 1, 2017, 17:08
While having replaced clutches I have never done that on a 2, but feel I could having read this.
With the pictures to support the text it looks to be a very comprehensive " How to"
Comment re step 17 / 9 I suggest reference to "tightening opposite bolts " ( as for cylinder head)
/ 10 specification of torque value here( and elsewhere as required) would make this a one stop point of reference.
Good job.
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: mulaz on February 1, 2017, 17:19
Had a quick read ... cable tie around one of the selector cables a must
borrow if possible an impact gun?
you do not have to remove starter motor
The rear toe in arm scratch some marks as a ref. for alighnment when refitting and maybe a simple how to correct your steering if out afterwards
6 speed is 2lts and 5 speed 1.8lts . 6 speed box has two fillers . use the higher plug to fill box
3 amigos carefully check the crush gaskets are in position when re-assembling
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: shnazzle on February 1, 2017, 19:56
Very good points. Will add. Knew I had forgotten a fair bit

Will add torque references.

Pics to be sourced. I might steal the ones from the Spyderchat how to where applicable. Will give credit of course.
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: mulaz on February 1, 2017, 20:25
step 17 line 6 friction material is on both sides of the friction plate  ... when removing note its orientation . but it should only fit one way without silly force

we removed engine bay x member but other have used this to support the engine with straps

check this write up  m http://www.automotivating.com/Spyder/supercharger.html (http://www.automotivating.com/Spyder/supercharger.html) m
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: bluesmoke on February 1, 2017, 23:29
This is great and should be a big help to me tomorrow.

A few questions:
1. Dowels to tap out the driveshaft, do you mean the round wooden type thing that B&Q sell? They don't appear to have 30cm though....

2. I only have one engine hoist so can't use a strap to hold the engine and a second on the gearbox, best workaround? Bit worried about supporting on a jack and messing something up.

3. Clutch alignment - wouldn't you put the alignment tool through from the cover plate side, as then you could remove it again once mating the clutch up to the engine, right? You may be using a different type of alignment tool however, so it might work for what you have and no for the universal one I've bought.

4. Oil seals, there's no mention of any clip on the removal and replacement of the oil seals, is it something which should just be attached as part of a new seal?

Cheers!
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: mulaz on February 2, 2017, 07:35
1 we used a long metal bar 12" or so of copper with a lump hammer as not to damage driveshaft but aluminium or steel will do as long as you don't overdo it.

2 Tilt engine and gearbox then i would support the engine with ratchets straps attached to the engine bay cross bar stiffener and then use your hoist to lower gearbox

3  yes alignment tool through pressure plate and removal the same. my new ebay universal tool did not work until i ran a tap fully through one of the dowels. best check before ... My set has numbers flywheel end 20mm  (no 7 turned around ) and 20.22 to 21.42 (no 5 ) on clutch plate if that helps

4 no clip in seals ... seals are a push fit  .use a smear of oil when refitting. i used a plastic ring off the end of my large electric impact gun to hammer the nearside seal in.
this may help .. i used a open ended spanner and a screwdriver to pull the old seal out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4j_GFRxkF8
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: bluesmoke on February 2, 2017, 10:01
Thanks Mulaz. Unfortunately I don't have any ratchet straps so it's the hoist and jacks for me. Wish me luck....

Re clips, what's this part about then?
Step 20 - Insert drive-shaft
If you haven't replaced the seal, make sure the little metal spring clip (about 1.5inches in diameter, thin, metal springy thing) is not floating about. Look down the hole. If it is, fish it out and try to place it back on the inside of the seal. It's easier to just get a new seal....


Oh and one more thing, AL1100 paste is mentioned in the list at the start but nowhere else? Where is this used and will copper slip do the same job as it seems hard to find other than online?
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: shnazzle on February 2, 2017, 14:23
Quote from: "bluesmoke"Thanks Mulaz. Unfortunately I don't have any ratchet straps so it's the hoist and jacks for me. Wish me luck....

Re clips, what's this part about then?
Step 20 - Insert drive-shaft
If you haven't replaced the seal, make sure the little metal spring clip (about 1.5inches in diameter, thin, metal springy thing) is not floating about. Look down the hole. If it is, fish it out and try to place it back on the inside of the seal. It's easier to just get a new seal....


Oh and one more thing, AL1100 paste is mentioned in the list at the start but nowhere else? Where is this used and will copper slip do the same job as it seems hard to find other than online?

This is where that engineering knowledge comes in. AL1100 is an aluminium anti-seize paste. Knowing where to use AL1100, copper grease, silicon grease, etc and where not is not something I'm going to go into for this guide. You don't need the AL1100 at all if you don't want. Only the silicon will do, as described in the text.

There are two clips; I will clarify this as it can be confusing. One clip is around the end of the drive shaft spline. You'll see it when you pull it out. About 2cm diameter with one open end sitting in a groove on the shaft spline. That needs to always be there.
The other "clip" is a thin metal ring. It just looks like a very thin  (1mm) gasket. If you look into the gearbox housing before you put the driveshaft in, you may see it floating about. It needs to NOT be floating about. If you do see it, pull it out so that it's not floating around in your gearbox and destroying it. Then replace the whole seal (which comes with that little ring in the back of it).

If the ring is in good condition, you CAN try to wiggle it back into place in the back of the seal (which you can't see).

You can see it here just under my finger. Little silver ring around the inside of the nearside seal. It's so thin you'd never know it was there. But in both mine and Ian's, it came out of this position. On Ian's it was a bit mangled and popped out. On mine it was still in the gearbox, I could see it when I looked it so I pulled it out with pliers.
As you can see from the pic, it needs to sit inside the back of the seal, invisible to the outside
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All other amendments made to the text. Just need to add torques
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: bluesmoke on February 2, 2017, 14:34
That makes sense, thanks. I'm replacing anyway so I'll just check it isn't in there and get it out if it is  s:) :) s:)
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: mulaz on February 2, 2017, 15:00
You also need planet rock playing in the background for a smoother clutch change Haha... best of luck and never give up!
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: bluesmoke on February 2, 2017, 18:30
Doing my best but having a few complications, see my thread  s:( :( s:(
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: bluesmoke on February 2, 2017, 19:03
Are you doing this on a 2ZZ? My 1ZZ has a sort of eye on the bottom left corner nearest the rear of the car but nothing in  the middle on the other side of the engine. Absolutely stumped on where to run a strap as a result.
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: shnazzle on February 2, 2017, 19:19
This guide is for 1zz.
My fault on the engine hanger.

Actually, it's a bit of a lie haha. The hole that sticks out on the left is not actually the engine hanger. If you look, there is a bolt hole to the right of it where you would screw in the Toyota engine hanger hook.
But, but overkill to go and buy these. So that eyelet will do for now.

For the rear, I blatantly lied. There is nothing there without attaching that Toyota hook.

So just use that front eyelet. The rest of the weight is carried by the right engine mount and keeps the engine from tilting back to front.

Will amend my text. Apologies
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: bluesmoke on February 2, 2017, 19:24
Not a problem. This whole guide will be idiot proof once I've used it   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Title: Re: How To: Change clutch
Post by: shnazzle on February 3, 2017, 08:48
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