Hello all,
I'm wanting to refresh my suspension, i don't want coil overs want to keep standard (other than 30mm lower springs)
so what would you get.
I'm thinking:
top mounts
shocks
springs (30mm lower)
dust gators
do i need anything else ? bushes etc ?
Coilovers... you NEEEEED coilovers so you can constantly fiddle with them in carparks...
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On a serious note though, to refresh the full system you're looking at around £150 per corner plus rear droplinks and any new nuts and bolts that don't come with the new bits. And Toyota nuts and bolts aren't cheap.
The most cost effective way to replace all four corners is often coilovers.
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I've never driven a car with "coilovers" (aren't they all coilover?). From a financial and tweaking point of view they seem to me, without any real knowledge, to make a lot of sense.
Before I changed out my suspension, I did a bit of reading on here and got the impression it could make the ride too firm for me personally. My driving style (if you could even call it that) and the roads i like to drive on benefit more from a stock or softer setup. Honestly, im not chasing milliseconds on a track. If i do it'll be once a year at most if i'm lucky. I like a bit of flex and give. I got teins and kybs, £480 all in, without renewing top mounts or anything else. Just shocks and springs. I love 'em, made a real difference over my tired old kit
Quote from: Call the midlife! on May 18, 2018, 20:57
On a serious note though, to refresh the full system you're looking at around £150 per corner plus rear droplinks and any new nuts and bolts that don't come with the new bits. And Toyota nuts and bolts aren't cheap.
The most cost effective way to replace all four corners is often coilovers.
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Probably more resale value too?
Still annoys me that I passed up on a full set of brand new suspension that was on FB for about £250
Quote from: delhusband on May 18, 2018, 21:16
I've never driven a car with "coilovers" (aren't they all coilover?). From a financial and tweaking point of view they seem to me, without any real knowledge, to make a lot of sense.
Before I changed out my suspension, I did a bit of reading on here and got the impression it could make the ride too firm for me personally. My driving style (if you could even call it that) and the roads i like to drive on benefit more from a stock or softer setup. Honestly, im not chasing milliseconds on a track. If i do it'll be once a year at most if i'm lucky. I like a bit of flex and give. I got teins and kybs, £480 all in, without renewing top mounts or anything else. Just shocks and springs. I love 'em, made a real difference over my tired old kit
Was that just dampers or full struts Derek? I only had a quick look but Kyb struts complete were coming back at least £100/ corner.
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It was about £87 a corner for KYB's and £120 for 4 tein s-tech 30mm lowering springs. I did have to get gaitors (forgot) , but mechanic said to just keep top mounts and all the rest as he thought they were fine. I know the top bolt is also supposed to be one use, but he kept that too and used loctite or so he said.
Quote from: delhusband on May 18, 2018, 21:29
It was about £87 a corner for KYB's and £120 for 4 tein s-tech 30mm lowering springs. I did have to get gaitors (forgot) , but mechanic said to just keep top mounts and all the rest as he thought they were fine. I know the top bolt is also supposed to be one use, but he kept that too and used loctite or so he said.
Yeah, to be fair I was on the Fennsport website so they probably charge top dollar. Although they were the same price on the teins.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on May 18, 2018, 21:20I only had a quick look but Kyb struts complete were coming back at least £100/ corner.
Try here:
http://m.mister-auto.co.uk/en/front-shock-absorber/toyota-mr-2-iii-zzw3-1-8-16v-vt-i-140hp_v14535_g900001.html (http://m.mister-auto.co.uk/en/front-shock-absorber/toyota-mr-2-iii-zzw3-1-8-16v-vt-i-140hp_v14535_g900001.html)
I'm deffo going standard shock / damp set up and I'm putting new top mounts on
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Quote from: delhusband on May 18, 2018, 21:33
Quote from: Call the midlife! on May 18, 2018, 21:20I only had a quick look but Kyb struts complete were coming back at least £100/ corner.
Try here:
http://m.mister-auto.co.uk/en/front-shock-absorber/toyota-mr-2-iii-zzw3-1-8-16v-vt-i-140hp_v14535_g900001.html (http://m.mister-auto.co.uk/en/front-shock-absorber/toyota-mr-2-iii-zzw3-1-8-16v-vt-i-140hp_v14535_g900001.html)
Aaaah.. miser-auto! Must be local to you then??[emoji38]
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Quote from: ilovejapcrap on May 18, 2018, 21:36
I'm deffo going standard shock / damp set up and I'm putting new top mounts on
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Mate, in all honesty knowing what I know now I wouldn't put coilovers on another MR2 for the type of roads we've been enjoying lately. Hardknott and Wrynose were bitches to get up, you need some rebound for stuff like that. With hindsight I would soften mine up before entering those passes again, it's all a learning curve isn't it? I'll know better next time.
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I think the shall we say committed way o went down those may have finished that shock !
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Quote from: ilovejapcrap on May 18, 2018, 21:45
I think the shall we say committed way o went down those may have finished that shock !
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Hahha! Yeah, probably, is it the offside? There was a stretch of dual carriageway where I slammed through 3 big potholes in succession behind you, didn't see the first and hadn't recovered from each one to avoid the next!
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Passenger side
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on May 18, 2018, 21:37
Aaaah.. miser-auto! Must be local to you then??
But of courshe, i'm about the tightest Scotsman there ish ;D
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on May 18, 2018, 21:37
Aaaah.. miser-auto! Must be local to you then??
But of courshe, i'm about the tightest Scotsman there ish ;D
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Quote from: ilovejapcrap on May 18, 2018, 21:53
Passenger side
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Aaah, that'll be the shopping bag then.
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Lol maybe how the hell do I find my project black thread on this taptalk !
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You lot looked like you had fun this week, very jealous.
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Lol maybe how the hell do I find my project black thread on this taptalk !
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If you started a readers rides then go to forums-common room and look in readers rides.
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Quote from: delhusband on May 18, 2018, 21:57
You lot looked like you had fun this week, very jealous.
Cracking few days mate!
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What Del said.
I went fresh stock setup KYB + Teins. Just fresh makes a world of difference. Not once have I ever thought oh I wished I had gone coilys. They could well be better. I dont care if they are. The stock setup has way more capacity, than I have talent.
Tie these in with a good fresh set of tyres and top it all off with a quality geo set up.
Seek out and pay for the best geo. Brings it altogeher,
Can be the difference between a 5yr old on a recorder and a 52 piece orchestra
I am literally doing the same refresh this weekend. I've just done the rear and doing the fronts tomorrow.
I got all the kit you listed in the first post, plus new arb drop links for front and rear - no way I'd bother trying to undo the old ones - straight out with the angle grinder.
I also bought track rod ends for the front whilst I was at it - not needed but why not do now I figured.
The KYB struts come with a new top bolt so don't worry about that.
The KYB struts AND pattern part topmounts are cheapest on ebay by far - I have checked *everywhere*. Same with Tein springs - may as well buy on ebay, £120 is low as it goes.
I have definitely purchased the entire kit for less than the cost of coilovers.
The other thing I've done is wire brush (on an angle grinder) pretty much every part of the suspension and underside and primered and repainted ..... I would not recommend this unless you really want to lol. It is an intense and time consuming task!
I did not want coilovers as I drive a lot of miles on ropey b-roads, it's not a track car.
How much all in frogged ?
£120 tein springs
£252 KYB dampers
£ 54 MR2-BEN boots
£ 63 front top mounts
£ 52 rear top mounts
£571 total for the suspension
Then...
£ 25 front drop links
£ 20 rear drop links
But you would need to buy these drop links whether using kyb+tein or getting coilovers.
I spent a lot of time looking in to the options and prices and concluded I didn't want coilovers anyway AND could do the above package a fair bit cheaper than coilovers, which started at near enough £800, maybe down to £700 if you found a deal/group buy.
Honestly I've happily reused the top mounts before though, and would again... but figured for the price I'd treat myself this time, seeing as everything else on the car has been done now!
I drive my 2 a lot, as it's my daily, and more and more I am inclined to think if I were to do it again, I would do KYBs, Teins, top mounts, droplinks and throw a brake refresh in to boot.
BUT... When I do have a spirited drive, I love my BC adjustable coilovers. It does make a difference. A big one.
It's the fact that I still have a fair few spirited drives that I haven't sold my BCs.
I've got a load of stuff to do this weekend but we'll sort out a minute for you to take mine for a bounce around town, now we're back on home ground, have to be on your insurance though [emoji23]
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Quote from: frogger on May 19, 2018, 01:33
£120 tein springs
£252 KYB dampers
£ 54 MR2-BEN boots
£ 63 front top mounts
£ 52 rear top mounts
£571 total for the suspension
Then...
£ 25 front drop links
£ 20 rear drop links
But you would need to buy these drop links whether using kyb+tein or getting coilovers.
I spent a lot of time looking in to the options and prices and concluded I didn't want coilovers anyway AND could do the above package a fair bit cheaper than coilovers, which started at near enough £800, maybe down to £700 if you found a deal/group buy.
Where did you get the KYB from ?
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I did the full standard suspension refresh with KYBs and standard springs. I am pretty happy with it but I do keep wondering whether Koni adjustable damper inserts would have been the best option. I definitely wouldn't go with coilovers though.
Ebay - clicked to get each corner as a separate item, but got them all from the same seller "carpartsinmotion" . There are 2 or 3 sellers at about the same price.
I've just done a quick shock replacement and tbh the drop links flew straight off. No issues at all.
I didn't even try lol. Just cut them off.. Maybe they would have been easy.. But the new ones are nice and shiny :D
Haha. Not for long though! Lol. Mine gave zero resistance. Just going to treat and spray them next time. Plus gas saved the day on all of the suspension parts tbh.
Quote from: shnazzle on May 19, 2018, 07:38
I drive my 2 a lot, as it's my daily, and more and more I am inclined to think if I were to do it again, I would do KYBs, Teins, top mounts, droplinks and throw a brake refresh in to boot.
BUT... When I do have a spirited drive, I love my BC adjustable coilovers. It does make a difference. A big one.
It's the fact that I still have a fair few spirited drives that I haven't sold my BCs.
A spirited drive in my car without the BCs? Meh...
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Quote from: shnazzle on May 19, 2018, 07:38
I drive my 2 a lot, as it's my daily, and more and more I am inclined to think if I were to do it again, I would do KYBs, Teins, top mounts, droplinks and throw a brake refresh in to boot.
BUT... When I do have a spirited drive, I love my BC adjustable coilovers. It does make a difference. A big one.
It's the fact that I still have a fair few spirited drives that I haven't sold my BCs.
A spirited drive in my car without the BCs? Meh...
Exactly
Right the top mounts are causing issues.
My mechanic can't get them and I can't find on line. I find it hard to believe they are specific to mr2.
Does anyone know the part no or if they are 100% the same as on another Toyota
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Quote from: ilovejapcrap on May 20, 2018, 09:38
Right the top mounts are causing issues.
My mechanic can't get them and I can't find on line. I find it hard to believe they are specific to mr2.
Does anyone know the part no or if they are 100% the same as on another Toyota
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http://www.tcbparts.co.uk/suspension.htm#Mr2(Suspension)
Assuming he has them in stock, you're better off giving him (Paul) a ring Monday.
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Might be worthwhile checking out that non standard tyre combination too to see if it's adding to your front end feel.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on May 20, 2018, 09:59
Might be worthwhile checking out that non standard tyre combination too to see if it's adding to your front end feel.
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Nah that's not an issue just oil less shocks
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I'm looking at refreshing my 60+k mile suspension, so I've just done a test drive in @Smcknighty (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23495) 's turbo '2 with MeisterR's and I don't think the MeisterR was too harsh at all... I forgot to ask quite what setting he had his on, but we did a route that's just over 25miles of A and B roads (https://goo.gl/WTcJGi) that I do on a regular basis and I found the MeisterR's really forgiving - on the really harsh surfaces, it wasn't soaking up quite as much, but certainly worth the slight compromise for how responsively the nose tucks itself into corners!
They still have a lot more windout to go
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But those tyres have very soft sidewalls, I think the tyres provide most of the suspension at the moment
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im having huge issues getting top mounts for front suspension
anyone purchased any of late ?
Quote from: ilovejapcrap on June 26, 2018, 11:36
im having huge issues getting top mounts for front suspension
anyone purchased any of late ?
Try asking KTM Rider, I'm sure he fitted new top mounts in the carpark at Ding Day.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on June 26, 2018, 11:45
Quote from: ilovejapcrap on June 26, 2018, 11:36
im having huge issues getting top mounts for front suspension
anyone purchased any of late ?
Try asking KTM Rider, I'm sure he fitted new top mounts in the carpark at Ding Day.
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He did not.
Sadly these are one of the more expensive items and one without an aftermarket counterpart.
Options are new (TCB, mr2-ben, or Toyota) or finding a good set from a reasonably young breaker.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on June 26, 2018, 11:45
Quote from: ilovejapcrap on June 26, 2018, 11:36
im having huge issues getting top mounts for front suspension
anyone purchased any of late ?
Try asking KTM Rider, I'm sure he fitted new top mounts in the carpark at Ding Day.
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He did not.
Sadly these are one of the more expensive items and one without an aftermarket counterpart.
Options are new (TCB, mr2-ben, or Toyota) or finding a good set from a reasonably young breaker.
That's me wrong twice in one day!
Time I gave up...
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on June 26, 2018, 12:23
Quote from: shnazzle on June 26, 2018, 12:17
Quote from: Call the midlife! on June 26, 2018, 11:45
Quote from: ilovejapcrap on June 26, 2018, 11:36
im having huge issues getting top mounts for front suspension
anyone purchased any of late ?
Try asking KTM Rider, I'm sure he fitted new top mounts in the carpark at Ding Day.
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He did not.
Sadly these are one of the more expensive items and one without an aftermarket counterpart.
Options are new (TCB, mr2-ben, or Toyota) or finding a good set from a reasonably young breaker.
That's me wrong twice in one day!
Time I gave up...
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Nah man! We don't start punishing until strike 3
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on June 26, 2018, 12:23
Quote from: shnazzle on June 26, 2018, 12:17
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Quote from: ilovejapcrap on June 26, 2018, 11:36
im having huge issues getting top mounts for front suspension
anyone purchased any of late ?
Try asking KTM Rider, I'm sure he fitted new top mounts in the carpark at Ding Day.
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He did not.
Sadly these are one of the more expensive items and one without an aftermarket counterpart.
Options are new (TCB, mr2-ben, or Toyota) or finding a good set from a reasonably young breaker.
That's me wrong twice in one day!
Time I gave up...
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Nah man! We don't start punishing until strike 3
That Meister buy looks like it'll have a few people doing some man maths! I'll leave it there...
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on June 26, 2018, 12:32
Quote from: shnazzle on June 26, 2018, 12:31
Quote from: Call the midlife! on June 26, 2018, 12:23
Quote from: shnazzle on June 26, 2018, 12:17
Quote from: Call the midlife! on June 26, 2018, 11:45
Quote from: ilovejapcrap on June 26, 2018, 11:36
im having huge issues getting top mounts for front suspension
anyone purchased any of late ?
Try asking KTM Rider, I'm sure he fitted new top mounts in the carpark at Ding Day.
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He did not.
Sadly these are one of the more expensive items and one without an aftermarket counterpart.
Options are new (TCB, mr2-ben, or Toyota) or finding a good set from a reasonably young breaker.
That's me wrong twice in one day!
Time I gave up...
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Nah man! We don't start punishing until strike 3
That Meister buy looks like it'll have a few people doing some man maths! I'll leave it there...
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Unless Helen gets involved for some woman math
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on June 26, 2018, 12:32
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Quote from: ilovejapcrap on June 26, 2018, 11:36
im having huge issues getting top mounts for front suspension
anyone purchased any of late ?
Try asking KTM Rider, I'm sure he fitted new top mounts in the carpark at Ding Day.
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He did not.
Sadly these are one of the more expensive items and one without an aftermarket counterpart.
Options are new (TCB, mr2-ben, or Toyota) or finding a good set from a reasonably young breaker.
That's me wrong twice in one day!
Time I gave up...
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Nah man! We don't start punishing until strike 3
That Meister buy looks like it'll have a few people doing some man maths! I'll leave it there...
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Unless Helen gets involved for some woman math
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I've had a bargain line on front top mounts for a while... and have helped source 2 pairs for people this month for about 95 delivered (for the pair)... but right now I can only get my hands on 1, not a pair! I'll post back in here if I can get another.
Frogger I'd be interested in a set also please. What brand are they please?
Forgive my suspension lack of knowledge, but mum refreshed the suspension on hers a few months back. Are we talking about these or something radically different?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Replacement-Japanparts-Front-Top-Strut-Mounting-RU-2320-/192043766836?hash=item2cb6b35434
Quote from: Bossworld on June 27, 2018, 23:16
Forgive my suspension lack of knowledge, but mum refreshed the suspension on hers a few months back. Are we talking about these or something radically different?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Replacement-Japanparts-Front-Top-Strut-Mounting-RU-2320-/192043766836?hash=item2cb6b35434
Result! I guess they're more readily available now.
Quote from: Bossworld on June 27, 2018, 23:16
Forgive my suspension lack of knowledge, but mum refreshed the suspension on hers a few months back. Are we talking about these or something radically different?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Replacement-Japanparts-Front-Top-Strut-Mounting-RU-2320-/192043766836?hash=item2cb6b35434
I got one from this guy. It was his last one I got other from amazon (same seller ! ) and it took forever then was sent to wrong address .
Anyway got a refund. So I'm buying this one see how we get in eh
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Heads up it arrived no issues via eBay now I have two [emoji4]
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Yes and no more stock...
Coilovers preferred, but they do come with the loss of some ride comfort.
If I didn't want the adjustability and the option to put it on a track (and tighten it RIGHT up), then I'd go for aftermarket shocks and progressive springs, so you can get lowered springs, a fair amount of initial travel (comfort), but they'll stiffen up after the initial travel to make up for the fact there is less travel :) I'm not sure what the options are for MR2's, but the Koni shocks + Eibach spring on my old Gold set me back nearly £2000 (incl install) on my old Golf... compared with <£700 for coilovers + accessories (then spannered it myself with the help of one of the people on the forum).
For me, it's worth the comfort sacrifice, even though I'm on Yoko AD08R's and my commute is 20miles of B roads and ~10 miles of ratty Surrey A roads. I just love the turn-in: the way the nose darts around like a little hover-fly with coiilies, so I'd be reluctant to put mine on shocks and springs... and I'm on relatively entry-level BC Racing coilovers with 4kg/6kg spring rates - same as stock (most coilovers are 5kg/7kg).
Quick question re: suspension refresh.
From frogger's original list, do you also need the spring top cup seats on each side, or are they re-usable?
(yes I'm aware I'm finding ways to spend money I don't have :))
if you are talking top mounts. Sadly, you never really know until you strip them down.
The good news is, most are fine and just a good top up of grease is required.
Quote from: Ardent on February 11, 2019, 21:40
if you are talking top mounts. Sadly, you never really know until you strip them down.
The good news is, most are fine and just a good top up of grease is required.
Below the top mount, isn't there something else that holds the top end of the spring? The exploded diagrams seem to show extra pieces.
There is a short length of plastic tubing that goes over the last section of the spring at top and/ or bottom of the spring.
So please forgive my ignorance, what are parts 2, 3 and 4 on here? Is that piece of tubing you mention part of that assembly?
https://www.mr2-ben.co.uk/products/4
1, 5, 6 and 7 seem to be covered by the original list but it seems extras are necessary (and I'm well out of my depth lol)
The only one I know is 2. That's just a little foam washer.
I've had 3 sets of suspension apart now and I genuinely can't remember 3 and 4.
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743)
Dudi has a " For sale" thread with a photo of the OE struts that shows there are extra items below the top mount. Link:
https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=66857.0
Quote from: Joesson on February 14, 2019, 19:19
@Bossworld (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23743)
Dudi has a " For sale" thread with a photo of the OE struts that shows there are extra items below the top mount. Link:
https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=66857.0
Thanks mate, yeah I'm going to see what arrives in my top mount/strut order and see what else would need to be purchased from there. I'm not entirely sure what could be re-used of these mystery items.
So turns out, more purchasing required
https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=65730.msg773471#msg773471
https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=37550.msg447803#msg447803
#2 possibly not necessary as I've got the japan parts top mounts.
Interestingly, one of the threads I found mentioned that someone found the old rubber spring insulator had swollen due to too much grease. I packed my existing top mounts out with grease earlier in the month. With my current suspension being so old it doesn't really matter but food for thought when changing out
https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=61925.msg720492#msg720492
On the front suspension there is a 'cup' that the spring sits in below the top mount yes. I and many others reused it... as it is just a jump of metal... but it upset me greatly as everything else was new and I wish I had new 'cups' too! I'm sure the old ones will last another 10 - 15 yrs though.
Quote from: frogger on February 18, 2019, 21:37
On the front suspension there is a 'cup' that the spring sits in below the top mount yes. I and many others reused it... as it is just a jump of metal... but it upset me greatly as everything else was new and I wish I had new 'cups' too! I'm sure the old ones will last another 10 - 15 yrs though.
Did you reuse the rubber insulator (that goes with the cup) as well?
Thanks
I kept mine original but lower, new KYB in each corner, and Tein springs. PolyBush for the bushes. Inspect the top mounts these are available from KYB if needed
I would buy the yellow KONI Suspension. The Rebound is adjustable and it's complete with springs and topmounts for round about 599€ (~490GBP).
Regards Thomas
I've set out on a path of buying things as I can afford them, so far procured
Front left/front right struts
Front top mounts (2x)
Front brake hoses
I'm going to have to find some more budget for the spring insulators, top cups and potentially top rubber bushes as I don't want to reuse stuff that's 135k miles/14 years old if possible
I did spot a set of four lowering springs for £48 but I don't think I'd get the car on and off the drive
Useful thread. My rear shocks look pants even though they obviously still do the job. So have just ordered KYB shocks, springs and top mounts, Delphi drop links and boot covers from MR2 Ben. Total of £232.50, though just got the items ordered rather than spending time shopping around.
I am missing the service history from the last couple of years, but car failed MOT on leaky front shocks in late 2016, so those were obviously replaced - car has covered a mere 6K since (now on 81K). History also shows corroded rear spring, so I guess I hoped that rear shocks had been done as well. But I had the car on stands at the weekend as intended to do discs/pads, paint calipers and put hammerite on what remains of the dust shields. I got as far as painting the calipers but couldn't get the calipers bolts out on either side as a 12mm spanner just swirls around them. I reckon they were rounded off by someone being heavy-handed as they can't have been there that long as calipers are in good nick having also showed up as needing attention in the same MOT. Have ordered new bolts and will end up farming the job out to someone more skilled than myself in attacking stubborn fastenings. I had a bit of a go with a set of Irwin bolt extractors but there's no room to work in and will just end up making things worse.
Whilst looking under the car I was not liking the host of rusty bits that showed themselves. Can barely make out the nuts on the shock absorber struts as now just several blobs of brown on a base of brown!
I'm over half way through the shopping list :-[
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