Can anyone tell me the story behind ditching the Whiteline anti roll bar bushes and using superpro
I'd read somewhere that everyone ditches them so started looking over old threads on here plus Facebook to find out why.
All I seem to be able to find is people telling people who have been told by someone else to not use the Whitelines and go Superpro but no real explanation!
can anyone elaborate please before I either use them or buy Superpro's?
cheers
Steve
Nothing specific that I can remember but superpro are supposed to be the market leader for bushings.
I am using the Whiteline rubbers. Saw no reason not to and go extra expense. Works ok too.
I use the whiteline ones too, would like to know the reasoning behind changing them ...
I've got Superpro for the rear arms etc and will get them when I do the front arms but I think i'm going to stick with the Whitelines for the anti roll bar - can't see them being crap or they wouldn't supply them!
Just wondered if anyone had any specific reasons for not using them
There is something I do not understand.
Are the Superpro bushings for Whiteline sway bars or stock swaybars.
This is the first I have heard of anyone ditching any of the supplied sway bar bushings.
Where was this information popularized.
The bushings are different sizes depending on which swaybar is being used.
Quote from: Dev on February 26, 2021, 15:40There is something I do not understand.
Are the Superpro bushings for Whiteline sway bars or stock swaybars.
This is the first I have heard of anyone ditching any of the supplied sway bar bushings.
Where was this information popularized.
The bushings are different sizes depending on which swaybar is being used.
The Suprpro's come in whatever size you want - I actually have a set for the standard rear anti roll bar that I bought before I decided to buy the Whitelines.
I've read quite a few posts (here / facebook / instagram) with people stating they used Suprpro instead of the Whiteline bushes but I never found a valid reason why.
I don't understand it either but was hoping somebody could either enlighten me, or confirm it was the bragging rights team at it again!
Quote from: tets on February 26, 2021, 17:28I've read quite a few posts (here / facebook / instagram) with people stating they used Suprpro instead of the Whiteline bushes but I never found a valid reason why.
I don't understand it either but was hoping somebody could either enlighten me, or confirm it was the bragging rights team at it again!
The bushes in the sway bars fittings do not gave the same funtions as in motormount nor an in suspension arms.
They do not need to absorb any forces, are a flexible locating bearings really and that´s all. As long as the arb is not allowed to flop up and down in the clamp, it will work. If they clamp the bar down real tight it will hamper the function ánd stiffen up the spring rate.
The rubber inserts must keep the bar about in place and allow it to rotate freely over all its length.
Quote from: tets on February 26, 2021, 17:28Quote from: Dev on February 26, 2021, 15:40There is something I do not understand.
Are the Superpro bushings for Whiteline sway bars or stock swaybars.
This is the first I have heard of anyone ditching any of the supplied sway bar bushings.
Where was this information popularized.
The bushings are different sizes depending on which swaybar is being used.
The Suprpro's come in whatever size you want - I actually have a set for the standard rear anti roll bar that I bought before I decided to buy the Whitelines.
I've read quite a few posts (here / facebook / instagram) with people stating they used Suprpro instead of the Whiteline bushes but I never found a valid reason why.
I don't understand it either but was hoping somebody could either enlighten me, or confirm it was the bragging rights team at it again!
I have had my suspicions for a long time that Whiteline bushings for other things are made by Superpro. They seem to have identical products particularly the front bushings.
This is not uncommon because the manufacture of bushings is usually done by a larger company that specialize in them.
As to if the Whiteline bushings were custom made by Superpro for their swaybars and some other bushings are better is possible but there is absolutely nothing that would indicate that as there has not been anyone I have read about have the bushings go bad.
There is however some other aftermarket swaybar (dont remember maybe China) that had some issues with the bushings walking out of the brackets.
Superpro does make poly sway bar bushings for the stock swaybars. Maybe someone mentioned it as an alternative to upgrading to aftermarket swaybars.
Quote from: Dev on February 26, 2021, 17:47Superpro does make poly sway bar bushings for the stock swaybars. Maybe someone mentioned it as an alternative to upgrading to aftermarket swaybars.
No mate - its definitely people using superpro's instead of the ones Whiteline supply - ive decided i'm using the Whiteline ones.
Quote from: tets on February 26, 2021, 19:06Quote from: Dev on February 26, 2021, 17:47Superpro does make poly sway bar bushings for the stock swaybars. Maybe someone mentioned it as an alternative to upgrading to aftermarket swaybars.
No mate - its definitely people using superpro's instead of the ones Whiteline supply - ive decided i'm using the Whiteline ones.
These sway bars have been around a long time with no issues. Im actually surprised anyone would have any issues at all with the bushings they come with. Mine are still going strong after nearly 15 years. If there is no explanation that speaks volumes. I wonder if there is a part number for the Superpro bushings they are using.
Btw Dev, forgot how you set the rear ones on yours. You have lsd too no?!
Quote from: Dev on February 26, 2021, 19:18Quote from: tets on February 26, 2021, 19:06Quote from: Dev on February 26, 2021, 17:47Superpro does make poly sway bar bushings for the stock swaybars. Maybe someone mentioned it as an alternative to upgrading to aftermarket swaybars.
No mate - its definitely people using superpro's instead of the ones Whiteline supply - ive decided i'm using the Whiteline ones.
These sway bars have been around a long time with no issues. Im actually surprised anyone would have any issues at all with the bushings they come with. Mine are still going strong after nearly 15 years. If there is no explanation that speaks volumes. I wonder if there is a part number for the Superpro bushings they are using.
thats what I was after Dev - plenty of people recommending changing them for no apparent reason. Bragging brigade down the pub I think
Quote from: tets on February 26, 2021, 19:58Quote from: Dev on February 26, 2021, 19:18Quote from: tets on February 26, 2021, 19:06Quote from: Dev on February 26, 2021, 17:47Superpro does make poly sway bar bushings for the stock swaybars. Maybe someone mentioned it as an alternative to upgrading to aftermarket swaybars.
No mate - its definitely people using superpro's instead of the ones Whiteline supply - ive decided i'm using the Whiteline ones.
These sway bars have been around a long time with no issues. Im actually surprised anyone would have any issues at all with the bushings they come with. Mine are still going strong after nearly 15 years. If there is no explanation that speaks volumes. I wonder if there is a part number for the Superpro bushings they are using.
thats what I was after Dev - plenty of people recommending changing them for no apparent reason. Bragging brigade down the pub I think
I have seen many do or suggest things without any rational based on one persons bad luck from a isolated manufacturing defect or not following directions. People that follow them blindly are usually of very low intelligence. I question everything even if there is a reason. Hear both sides and never assume just because it happened to one person everyone else is doomed to the same fait. I think you did good by questioning it.
Quote from: Petrus on February 26, 2021, 19:34Btw Dev, forgot how you set the rear ones on yours. You have lsd too no?!
No LSD. I have mine on position number 2 out of the four for both sides. My car is set up neutral with a hint of oversteer at the limit. Your setup will be different depending on your dampers, camber and tire widths.
Quote from: Dev on February 26, 2021, 20:34Quote from: Petrus on February 26, 2021, 19:34Btw Dev, forgot how you set the rear ones on yours. You have lsd too no?!
No LSD. I have mine on position number 2 out of the four for both sides. My car is set up neutral with a hint of oversteer at the limit. Your setup will be different depending on your dampers, camber and tire widths.
Thamks.
As arb is all about front/rear balance, the set up is easy to relate to the rest.
I have 2nd and 2nd too. A bit or rake and the rear springs double rate of the front so relatively high frequency rear. It is a bit quicker to oversteer but the lsd allows for that.
Was thinking about the 3rd hole at the rear to get some more grip to the front still but think I will leave it.
If one would like to stay on the safe side and reduce oversteer, the rear one would go to the first hole right?
Quote from: p5ycho on June 5, 2021, 07:34If one would like to stay on the safe side and reduce oversteer, the rear one would go to the first hole right?
Yes. The tighter the rear ARB, the more likely to oversteer.
Thanks. Expensive mistake for an inexperienced driver...
Quote from: p5ycho on June 5, 2021, 08:45Thanks. Expensive mistake for an inexperienced driver...
Start hard front, softest rear.
Have fun at an industrial estate first.