Randomly came across this on my travels across the internet (I was actually looking for Cosworth brake pads of all things, they are now C-S Pro):
https://www.form7performance.com/collections/mr2-00-05-other/products/megasquirt-3-plug-play-ecu-for-toyota-mr2-spyder-inc-base-map (https://www.form7performance.com/collections/mr2-00-05-other/products/megasquirt-3-plug-play-ecu-for-toyota-mr2-spyder-inc-base-map)
Looks pretty handy but no information on VVT control or whether it retains OBD functionality (I'd assume not).
It's a high price, but there aren't many PNP solutions out there and MS is pretty easy to tune yourself if you have a base map to play with, TunerStudio is so easy I can use it!
Never been fan of ms stuff personally but I know lot do run them, I would rather pay more for a robust solid solution like Link etc as ms stuff can be bit flaky but all depends how fussy you are.
Last time I looked MS looked hassle and not cheap enough compared to ecumaster. Although much cheaper than link.
That was the case at the time because they didn't have something proper sorted for VVT etc but if there's a PNP solution now, it might be interesting.
It's a powerful platform.
A big faffy
I wouldn't call Ms powerful! Yes there are lots of features and things you can do with it but it's cheap for a reason, old tech pretty slow and as you say bit faffy and I would say not good enough for a reliable hassle free em solution.
Don't get me wrong I'm sure it's good fun to fiddle around with for not much money on the basic kits, but when you have used a better system you soon find out why it costs more.
It would be interesting to see what they have done and have a play with
this pnp setup but at that price I feel its too much money for what it is.
Quote from: thetyrant on May 22, 2021, 11:26I wouldn't call Ms powerful! Yes there are lots of features and things you can do with it but it's cheap for a reason, old tech pretty slow and as you say bit faffy and I would say not good enough for a reliable hassle free em solution.
Don't get me wrong I'm sure it's good fun to fiddle around with for not much money on the basic kits, but when you have used a better system you soon find out why it costs more.
It would be interesting to see what they have done and have a play with
this pnp setup but at that price I feel its too much money for what it is.
Powerful for sure. There's not a lot you can't do with it. But it's a hell of a faff. More faff than was worth it for us. Hence we went to ECUMASTER.
You're right, the price was actually quite bad. We were quoted about 3k for full install and tune
Quote from: shnazzle on May 22, 2021, 11:40Quote from: thetyrant on May 22, 2021, 11:26I wouldn't call Ms powerful! Yes there are lots of features and things you can do with it but it's cheap for a reason, old tech pretty slow and as you say bit faffy and I would say not good enough for a reliable hassle free em solution.
Don't get me wrong I'm sure it's good fun to fiddle around with for not much money on the basic kits, but when you have used a better system you soon find out why it costs more.
It would be interesting to see what they have done and have a play with
this pnp setup but at that price I feel its too much money for what it is.
Powerful for sure. There's not a lot you can't do with it. But it's a hell of a faff. More faff than was worth it for us. Hence we went to ECUMASTER.
You're right, the price was actually quite bad. We were quoted about 3k for full install and tune
3k for MS bloody hell thats up there with a link
Quote from: 1979scotte on May 22, 2021, 15:55Quote from: shnazzle on May 22, 2021, 11:40Quote from: thetyrant on May 22, 2021, 11:26I wouldn't call Ms powerful! Yes there are lots of features and things you can do with it but it's cheap for a reason, old tech pretty slow and as you say bit faffy and I would say not good enough for a reliable hassle free em solution.
Don't get me wrong I'm sure it's good fun to fiddle around with for not much money on the basic kits, but when you have used a better system you soon find out why it costs more.
It would be interesting to see what they have done and have a play with
this pnp setup but at that price I feel its too much money for what it is.
Powerful for sure. There's not a lot you can't do with it. But it's a hell of a faff. More faff than was worth it for us. Hence we went to ECUMASTER.
You're right, the price was actually quite bad. We were quoted about 3k for full install and tune
3k for MS bloody hell thats up there with a link
Correct I was quoted 2800 for a full Link G4 install and tune, with pre-install diagnostics
Quote from: thetyrant on May 22, 2021, 11:26It would be interesting to see what they have done and have a play with this pnp setup but at that price I feel its too much money for what it is.
I think £1200 for a pnp with a base map is pretty fair (whack it on autotune and away you go!), but if Ecumaster were to do their classic install and tune £1k deal again I know where I'd be going...
Quote from: moca2cv on May 22, 2021, 23:10Quote from: thetyrant on May 22, 2021, 11:26It would be interesting to see what they have done and have a play with this pnp setup but at that price I feel its too much money for what it is.
I think £1200 for a pnp with a base map is pretty fair (whack it on autotune and away you go!), but if Ecumaster were to do their classic install and tune £1k deal again I know where I'd be going...
You would need for factor in a 2nd tune though if you're looking for a daily/road-going car. Ecumaster was always 1200 including the sensors and the Bluetooth data recorder thing.
Plus tune you'd be on 1500ish. And then there's the mystery wideband sensor destruction every so often at 90gb a pop,which definitely is still a thing.
Quote from: moca2cv on May 22, 2021, 23:10Quote from: thetyrant on May 22, 2021, 11:26It would be interesting to see what they have done and have a play with this pnp setup but at that price I feel its too much money for what it is.
I think £1200 for a pnp with a base map is pretty fair (whack it on autotune and away you go!), but if Ecumaster were to do their classic install and tune £1k deal again I know where I'd be going...
£1200 is in theory a good price for pnp solution however the hardware in the case of MS is pretty average at best, also Autotune is just for final tweeks after mapping not for the actual mapping, so you still need to get it mapped its not as simple as base map then just let Autotune loose, its nowhere near good enough even on much higher quality ecus.
Ecumaster is a better option but from what ive read does a fair few bugs and issues which may or may not affect what you do with it, im tempted to try one but will most likely going for Link G4 again as found it a good solid and proven solution on my last Turbo build, so wish i hadnt sold it all :(
If I had to do it again, I don't think I'd aim to spend any less than 2500 on the ECU and mapping.
Money shouldn't be the target of course, it's just that from what I've seen now, if you just want "the best" solution within reason, with longevity and great support for road cars as well as race, that seems to be the price point.
I would also expect mapping to be no less than about 600 for a full setup, power tune and then likely a visit or two back for fine-tuning to make it near to OEM as can be
Quote from: shnazzle on May 23, 2021, 16:12If I had to do it again, I don't think I'd aim to spend any less than 2500 on the ECU and mapping.
Money shouldn't be the target of course, it's just that from what I've seen now, if you just want "the best" solution within reason, with longevity and great support for road cars as well as race, that seems to be the price point.
I would also expect mapping to be no less than about 600 for a full setup, power tune and then likely a visit or two back for fine-tuning to make it near to OEM as can be
We know so much more about the whole process than we did a few years ago don't we.
It's never just one visit or turn on auto tune.
Always costs you more and the tuners are never as good as they think they are either.
I'm sure it's easier if you've got a GTR a Supra or a WRX as it's well supported and they know what they're doing with them. 1zz or a in my case a 1mz not so much.
Quote from: 1979scotte on May 24, 2021, 10:10Quote from: shnazzle on May 23, 2021, 16:12If I had to do it again, I don't think I'd aim to spend any less than 2500 on the ECU and mapping.
Money shouldn't be the target of course, it's just that from what I've seen now, if you just want "the best" solution within reason, with longevity and great support for road cars as well as race, that seems to be the price point.
I would also expect mapping to be no less than about 600 for a full setup, power tune and then likely a visit or two back for fine-tuning to make it near to OEM as can be
We know so much more about the whole process than we did a few years ago don't we.
It's never just one visit or turn on auto tune.
Always costs you more and the tuners are never as good as they think they are either.
I'm sure it's easier if you've got a GTR a Supra or a WRX as it's well supported and they know what they're doing with them. 1zz or a in my case a 1mz not so much.
Exactly. You see it so often. People getting full standalone for their Evos, MX5s, Scoobies, 1JZ cars, LS engines in the US. Not a problem. All been done so many times there's almost an off-the-shelf map for every combination of parts.
But, I do think even just within the club we've made leaps and bounds in progress on this front.
Even to the point of a Speeduino piggyback managing fuel running a supercharger.
Who knew!
I do definitely have a newfound respect for the stock ECU.
Quote from: shnazzle on May 24, 2021, 10:42Quote from: 1979scotte on May 24, 2021, 10:10Quote from: shnazzle on May 23, 2021, 16:12If I had to do it again, I don't think I'd aim to spend any less than 2500 on the ECU and mapping.
Money shouldn't be the target of course, it's just that from what I've seen now, if you just want "the best" solution within reason, with longevity and great support for road cars as well as race, that seems to be the price point.
I would also expect mapping to be no less than about 600 for a full setup, power tune and then likely a visit or two back for fine-tuning to make it near to OEM as can be
We know so much more about the whole process than we did a few years ago don't we.
It's never just one visit or turn on auto tune.
Always costs you more and the tuners are never as good as they think they are either.
I'm sure it's easier if you've got a GTR a Supra or a WRX as it's well supported and they know what they're doing with them. 1zz or a in my case a 1mz not so much.
Exactly. You see it so often. People getting full standalone for their Evos, MX5s, Scoobies, 1JZ cars, LS engines in the US. Not a problem. All been done so many times there's almost an off-the-shelf map for every combination of parts.
But, I do think even just within the club we've made leaps and bounds in progress on this front.
Even to the point of a Speeduino piggyback managing fuel running a supercharger.
Who knew!
I do definitely have a newfound respect for the stock ECU.
Distributor, points, coil, spark plugs, fuel pump, carburettor/s, those were the days, so little to go wrong. But it did!
Quote from: shnazzle on May 24, 2021, 10:42Quote from: 1979scotte on May 24, 2021, 10:10Quote from: shnazzle on May 23, 2021, 16:12If I had to do it again, I don't think I'd aim to spend any less than 2500 on the ECU and mapping.
Money shouldn't be the target of course, it's just that from what I've seen now, if you just want "the best" solution within reason, with longevity and great support for road cars as well as race, that seems to be the price point.
I would also expect mapping to be no less than about 600 for a full setup, power tune and then likely a visit or two back for fine-tuning to make it near to OEM as can be
We know so much more about the whole process than we did a few years ago don't we.
It's never just one visit or turn on auto tune.
Always costs you more and the tuners are never as good as they think they are either.
I'm sure it's easier if you've got a GTR a Supra or a WRX as it's well supported and they know what they're doing with them. 1zz or a in my case a 1mz not so much.
Exactly. You see it so often. People getting full standalone for their Evos, MX5s, Scoobies, 1JZ cars, LS engines in the US. Not a problem. All been done so many times there's almost an off-the-shelf map for every combination of parts.
But, I do think even just within the club we've made leaps and bounds in progress on this front.
Even to the point of a Speeduino piggyback managing fuel running a supercharger.
Who knew!
I do definitely have a newfound respect for the stock ECU.
If only you could crack the stock ecu like they do om so many cars like Porsche VW GM etc.
Quote from: 1979scotte on May 24, 2021, 10:10Quote from: shnazzle on May 23, 2021, 16:12If I had to do it again, I don't think I'd aim to spend any less than 2500 on the ECU and mapping.
Money shouldn't be the target of course, it's just that from what I've seen now, if you just want "the best" solution within reason, with longevity and great support for road cars as well as race, that seems to be the price point.
I would also expect mapping to be no less than about 600 for a full setup, power tune and then likely a visit or two back for fine-tuning to make it near to OEM as can be
We know so much more about the whole process than we did a few years ago don't we.
It's never just one visit or turn on auto tune.
Always costs you more and the tuners are never as good as they think they are either.
I'm sure it's easier if you've got a GTR a Supra or a WRX as it's well supported and they know what they're doing with them. 1zz or a in my case a 1mz not so much.
Autotune is a waste for most applications. It just gets it to the point where its safe to drive on a base map.
I have autotuned the PFC long ago and all it did was make the car have less power.
Power comes from tuning on a dyno using a good tuner that knows the software and engine, and then an extensive road tune to clean it up.
Not worth it if you are NA. Some of the units are not very reliable either because they are not built like a tank like the OEM ECU.
The best option for those that want to mess around safely is buying a Camcon unit.
In my opinion autotune is just to make small corrections to the fuel table based on real life driving. Areas that can't be simulated on dyno.
It's certainly not to be used as a means to actually create the map
Quote from: shnazzle on May 24, 2021, 17:37In my opinion autotune is just to make small corrections to the fuel table based on real life driving. Areas that can't be simulated on dyno.
It's certainly not to be used as a means to actually create the map
I do not mean making a map from scratch which is a very difficult thing to do for a PFC and other ECUs that use them natively as most work from a base map. I found the autotune would ruin the base map that was developed for power that needs to be optimized because power needs to be observed and calculated on a dyno to hit its targets which is often not at the edge of knock or a specific AFR that is programed into the autotune. After that the road tune is necessary for regular driving and from what DD performance does is more involved process by the operator to get right from what they told me.
Maybe some of the newer tech does it better on other platforms but for ours its endless frustration that I actually ended up with more power using a less restrictive downpipe on the OEM ECU which was money better spent. Also if you were to get a great tune it doesn't mean its without consequence especially if it richens the mixture as it can reduce the engines long term reliability and possibly take out the cat prematurely. Just not ideal for a street car.
My comment was more intended to supplement yours, not counter it :)
I would never let autotune dictate any part of wide open throttle power runs. It would indeed destroy it.
But it's very handy for cruise/transfer areas. Still always requires a fair bit of smoothing.
Doing a bit of it as we speak actually... Autotune gives you the bones of it. A bit of sense does the rest.
Quote from: shnazzle on May 24, 2021, 21:09My comment was more intended to supplement yours, not counter it :)
I would never let autotune dictate any part of wide open throttle power runs. It would indeed destroy it.
But it's very handy for cruise/transfer areas. Still always requires a fair bit of smoothing.
Doing a bit of it as we speak actually... Autotune gives you the bones of it. A bit of sense does the rest.
Let us remember the PFC is old.
Quote from: 1979scotte on May 24, 2021, 21:26Quote from: shnazzle on May 24, 2021, 21:09My comment was more intended to supplement yours, not counter it :)
I would never let autotune dictate any part of wide open throttle power runs. It would indeed destroy it.
But it's very handy for cruise/transfer areas. Still always requires a fair bit of smoothing.
Doing a bit of it as we speak actually... Autotune gives you the bones of it. A bit of sense does the rest.
Let us remember the PFC is old.
Very.
The auto-tune has largely stayed the same conceptually.
Not much more it can do
Quote from: shnazzle on May 24, 2021, 21:09My comment was more intended to supplement yours, not counter it :)
I would never let autotune dictate any part of wide open throttle power runs. It would indeed destroy it.
But it's very handy for cruise/transfer areas. Still always requires a fair bit of smoothing.
Doing a bit of it as we speak actually... Autotune gives you the bones of it. A bit of sense does the rest.
I know and I hope you didn't think otherwise but just relaying some of the autotune systems I did read about from Honda and others that I had the same experience with trying to smoothen things out. I thought it was doing a good job by eliminating knock and keeping the AFRs where I wanted them to be as I smoothened things out at part throttle but what it actually did was lose its responsiveness because it was very limited. What DD performance told me was it needs an experienced operator to do the road tune by hand and usually the base tune is already optimized and just needs a few tweaks compared to how auto tuning handles it.
Your autotune is probably more advanced and maybe it handles it better but every time I would reload the map it was better then what autotune did response wise.
Spotted this on one of the Spyder FB pages, looks a good options for a pnp setup using a proper ecu and price wise not so bad even if you factor in UK import and taxes etc - https://panicmade.com/wiring/p/zzw30-link-g4x-pnp-kit-1?fbclid=IwAR3aD6RYKmE_pcz3GgBeUFdkZnTca_1Dgwi8ahrTKJq0dHbWWPAkmbWgMSA
Quote from: thetyrant on May 25, 2021, 07:34Spotted this on one of the Spyder FB pages, looks a good options for a pnp setup using a proper ecu and price wise not so bad even if you factor in UK import and taxes etc - https://panicmade.com/wiring/p/zzw30-link-g4x-pnp-kit-1?fbclid=IwAR3aD6RYKmE_pcz3GgBeUFdkZnTca_1Dgwi8ahrTKJq0dHbWWPAkmbWgMSA
That looks jazzy. What is Link G4X? Some open source platform Link started?
Quote from: shnazzle on May 25, 2021, 08:59Quote from: thetyrant on May 25, 2021, 07:34Spotted this on one of the Spyder FB pages, looks a good options for a pnp setup using a proper ecu and price wise not so bad even if you factor in UK import and taxes etc - https://panicmade.com/wiring/p/zzw30-link-g4x-pnp-kit-1?fbclid=IwAR3aD6RYKmE_pcz3GgBeUFdkZnTca_1Dgwi8ahrTKJq0dHbWWPAkmbWgMSA
That looks jazzy. What is Link G4X? Some open source platform Link started?
Yes it does but im a bit confused on the Ecu itself on further reading, at first i thought it was a variant of the latest Link ecu range but they dont list one that is just a G4X they are all G4X-"something" like Storm, Fury etc etc, maybe its a basic board your able to buy to make your own PNP like the Link PNP range but i guess only the Panic guys can answer that, ive dropped them an email :)
Waiting a reply on email but if its a board at least equal to my old G4+ Storm i might get one ordered up in near future while exchange rate is good :)
Hmm looking at other Link products on Panic site i wonder if this ZZW30 setup is a modified Altezza LinkX ecu.... board looks same kind of shape/layout and would be interesting if it is and makes sense pricing wise...
https://panicmade.com/link/p/altezza-link
The more i look, think and read about im im pretty sure this Panic ZZW30 PNP is using the ALtezza Link PNP board with a patch harness and setup tweaks in custom case, makes sense as the Altezza uses same BEAN protocols for dashboard comms so could probably be adapted to power the MR2 dashboard, Panic make no mention of using a stock ecu in piggyback like my previous LinkG4 setup did to power the stock dashboard.
Its very clever thinking if they have done this and opens up a much more affordable standalone option using the Link Ecu of which im a fan, i wonder if you could also adapt the Altezza clocks into the MR2 as ive always thought they looked pretty snazzy, at least back in the day when it came out :D
Im going to look at the ALtezza Link maps compared to my old LInk G4 maps see how the background info for triggers and things compare.
My deductions are correct see here - https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/1zz-performance-question.157499/page-2
This is brilliant news for those wanting a PNP standalone Ecu for MR2 :D its just over grand for a UK supplied Altezza link then just need to work out the wiring patch harness and base setting changes needed in the map, or just buying a full kit from Panic is best starting point :D
Good find!
That has been one of the biggest issues.
I assume the immobiliser is still an issue but still... Being able to run stock clocks is a bonus.
Hmm yes the immobiliser but if stock ecu isn't used surely neither is the immobiliser?
Quote from: thetyrant on May 25, 2021, 11:17My deductions are correct see here - https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/1zz-performance-question.157499/page-2
This is brilliant news for those wanting a PNP standalone Ecu for MR2 :D its just over grand for a UK supplied Altezza link then just need to work out the wiring patch harness and base setting changes needed in the map, or just buying a full kit from Panic is best starting point :D
What if you have issues?
Link won't warranty it I wouldn't of thought.
Quote from: 1979scotte on May 25, 2021, 13:11Quote from: thetyrant on May 25, 2021, 11:17My deductions are correct see here - https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/1zz-performance-question.157499/page-2
This is brilliant news for those wanting a PNP standalone Ecu for MR2 :D its just over grand for a UK supplied Altezza link then just need to work out the wiring patch harness and base setting changes needed in the map, or just buying a full kit from Panic is best starting point :D
What if you have issues?
Link won't warranty it I wouldn't of thought.
I dont see why not if it was a fault with manufacture and they are not psychically modifying them, which i dont think they are just a patch harness, case and possible some base settings in the map , any warranty would be initially with the re-seller anyhows so shouldnt be a problem i don think if you bought the kit from guys at Panic, shipping and taxes etc are of course another matter but not a deal breaker i dont think and Links are generally pretty robust and reliable units.
If it was damaged during use (not a fault) they would repair it no different to any other but obviously there would be a charge in that case.
I would think, much like above, it depends on the issue but it seems covered by either Panic or Link.
But... I guess we don't know what Panic customer service is like
Quote from: shnazzle on May 25, 2021, 14:27I would think, much like above, it depends on the issue but it seems covered by either Panic or Link.
But... I guess we don't know what Panic customer service is like
I don't like buying from abroad personally.
Quote from: 1979scotte on May 25, 2021, 15:37I don't like buying from abroad personally.
No me either but lots of good things like ECU's are not made in the UK so there is often no other choice unfortunately, also customer service with all these race to the bottom UK traders is often a bit weak so buying from USA etc rather than a UK distributor is often no worse place to be, i know with ECU's they usually have to go back to manufacturer anyhows if fault needs sorting :(
Quote from: thetyrant on May 25, 2021, 15:53Quote from: 1979scotte on May 25, 2021, 15:37I don't like buying from abroad personally.
No me either but lots of good things like ECU's are not made in the UK so there is often no other choice unfortunately, also customer service with all these race to the bottom UK traders is often a bit weak so buying from USA etc rather than a UK distributor is often no worse place to be, i know with ECU's they usually have to go back to manufacturer anyhows if fault needs sorting :(
The only ecu I have looked at seriously were various link ecumaster and emerald.
All available in the UK with all the consumer protection that affords.
I never found them to be cheap enough from abroad by the time you paid shipping and taxes to be worth the bother.
Ahh i thought you meant made in the UK not just sold/distributed in the UK, i think Emerald are probably the only one actually made here but i think they are a bit basic these days and not really cheap enough for lack of features.
Buying an imported one like Link, Ecumaster etc its all down to how good reseller is, lots of them are not interested when a problem occurs usually because they are either just box shifters, or have slashed any profit to be cheapest online so are not making enough to offer a decent backup service, all too common these days :(
Link themselves are very helpful with great forum and support when needed directly.
Sometimes like with this Link pnp setup there is no other choice but to import as its not available from UK distributor, well the ECU is just not the harness and map etc, ive asked my Link dealer for a price on just the Altezza Ecu see what he can do, UK retail is £1100 with the vat from what i can see but then there is the harness to sort and calibration etc etc so the 1500usd (approx 1000gbp at moment) for Panic PNP is a good price even with some shipping and tax etc
Ive not heard back from Panic yet about the ecu itself but i know now so im just interested if they will ship international, if not ive contacts in US i could use if i go that way.
My Speeduino was made in the UK by me.
If I have a problem with it, I can get a replacement from the supplier, no questions asked.
Quote from: thetyrant on May 25, 2021, 16:57Ahh i thought you meant made in the UK not just sold/distributed in the UK, i think Emerald are probably the only one actually made here but i think they are a bit basic these days and not really cheap enough for lack of features.
Buying an imported one like Link, Ecumaster etc its all down to how good reseller is, lots of them are not interested when a problem occurs usually because they are either just box shifters, or have slashed any profit to be cheapest online so are not making enough to offer a decent backup service, all too common these days :(
Link themselves are very helpful with great forum and support when needed directly.
Sometimes like with this Link pnp setup there is no other choice but to import as its not available from UK distributor, well the ECU is just not the harness and map etc, ive asked my Link dealer for a price on just the Altezza Ecu see what he can do, UK retail is £1100 with the vat from what i can see but then there is the harness to sort and calibration etc etc so the 1500usd (approx 1000gbp at moment) for Panic PNP is a good price even with some shipping and tax etc
Ive not heard back from Panic yet about the ecu itself but i know now so im just interested if they will ship international, if not ive contacts in US i could use if i go that way.
I talking about my legal right to a refund or a replacement something you don't get when importing.
If its £1000 when it leaves the USA you have to add import duty and Vat on top of the shipping can't see that under cutting £1500 by much.
Each to there own.
I don't think it will be quite 1500 landed but even if it was I don't think that's bad for a pnp Link ecu, all depends what you want and I like Link so to me it's better option than ecumaster etc for similar money.
As you say each to their own and good to have options, also being the only other pnp option is the antique PFC it's a no brainer for simple install quality mappable ecu.
Will see how things go.
Quote from: jonbill on May 25, 2021, 19:03My Speeduino was made in the UK by me.
If I have a problem with it, I can get a replacement from the supplier, no questions asked.
Indeed and if your happy thats good, what I've read about the speedunio it's not for me like the ms etc
If you can make the car do what you wants it's all that matters 😀
Quote from: thetyrant on May 25, 2021, 20:01I don't think it will be quite 1500 landed but even if it was I don't think that's bad for a pnp Link ecu, all depends what you want and I like Link so to me it's better option than ecumaster etc for similar money.
As you say each to their own and good to have options, also being the only other pnp option is the antique PFC it's a no brainer for simple install quality mappable ecu.
Will see how things go.
I like Link a lot especially the more advanced versions but when I was looking price/features the ecumaster killed it.
I think my ecumaster classic worked out the same sort of money as the monsoon and the monsoon wouldn't run my V6 with supercharger.
The storm was way more money especially with a and b looms.
Obviously I'm looking at it from a 6 cylinder point of view so maybe an atom or monsoon would do the job on a 4 pot.
PNP was never an option for me on a 1mz and having the stock ecu as a piggyback is no bother either.
Well i had a few emails back and forth with guys at Panic, first i had asked them to confirm the spec of Ecu used before i started digging myself, they said its based on the Link Extreme-X which is odd as that doesnt have the BEAN support to run dash, so i asked if its a modded Altezza PNP as per this thread and they said it not but its a custom board, hmmm.
I appreciate they are probably wanting to keep the details to themselves to protect the hard work and investment to come up with this so guess they are not willing to share, which is fair enough its a business after all, ive asked for a shipping price to see what that comes out at but i am tempted to buy a Altezza board here in Uk and have a play with that, we will see as im in no rush and want to get a few more events in the stock car before the next turbo build starts.
Another thread has popped up on Sc with some good guys contributing to see if the ALtezza unit can be made to work with just a patch harness and tweaks to config in software, i will let them try and figure it out and see what happens :)
Thread - https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/standalones-that-can-talk-bean.157522/
If it comes to anything will start a thread here on it rather than be in this one about MS :)