for sale over at Spyderchat.com
USD700.00 for purists!
Looks like my TRD shifter has increased in value.
Wow I do have one under the bed too. Cant believe the prices lately..
I now realize I don't need one !! :)
Quote from: TheTigerUK on March 29, 2022, 22:47I now realize I don't need one !! :)
John, did you ever "need" any of your many watches?
Quote from: Joesson on March 29, 2022, 23:09John, did you ever "need" any of your many watches?
Perhaps 1% :)
On the SMT the ´quick shift mod´ is free. Just a tricky hassle.
When I had the engine out could have done it hassle free but could not find the how to thread on spyderchat :-*
Did not feel lucky enough to have a go without reference :'(
The TRD option, well, that has gone collectors value. There is no discussing that because this has no connection whatsoever with function/practical use; it has disconnected from the product itself. Best illustrated by an in all aspects perfect replica being a ´fake´. Again like watches. The value lies in the perception of brand value. It is what the beholder thinks it is.
@Petrus I found the thread with photos:
Quick Shift Mod (https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/smt-quick-shift-mod.138026/)
Whether you cut the tab off or use a spacer, this is the warning given:
QuoteThe tab is attached to the APS and provides a partial mechanical linkage to the throttle in the event the "drive by wire" fails so that you can limp home. This is why I cautioned against using the spacer or cutting of the tab in case you need to get out of traffic; it's not going to move!
Quote from: fawtytoo on March 30, 2022, 13:18@Petrus I found the thread with photos:
Quick Shift Mod (https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/smt-quick-shift-mod.138026/)
Whether you cut the tab off or use a spacer, this is the warning given:
WOW!!
Much obliged.
I knéw there was a caution, just did not remember as at the time I was not contemplating the mod.
Good thing I did not.
Thanks! Is is after all a road car navigating traffic.
If I had the TRD shifter I would sell it. It never felt like a short shifter.
There was a person on this from that showed how to modify a stock shifter relatively easily to make it like the TRD. Problem solved.
Quote from: Dev on March 30, 2022, 16:37If I had the TRD shifter I would sell it. It never felt like a short shifter.
There was a person on this from that showed how to modify a stock shifter relatively easily to make it like the TRD. Problem solved.
@shnazzle found this @jaworjawor thread again recently the short shifter mod is at post #189
https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?msg=660457
A 700 USD earning hammer wháck ;D
Lóve it!!
Often a hammer whack cósts money ;)
Quote from: Petrus on March 30, 2022, 17:44A 700 USD earning hammer wháck ;D
Lóve it!!
Often a hammer whack cósts money ;)
That hammer whack is going to cost someone else $600 once they find out. Its all relative but better than getting slapped by an emotional cuckold at the Academy.
I would however pay a premium for an original NAVPOD just so the dash matches exactly or for the original TRD polyurethane stage 1 kit. Those you cant wack into existence.
I am looking forward to what ropey racing come up with their short shifter which is currently being worked on.
Here is one of their teaser photos.
(https://i.imgur.com/1H5ppRH.jpg)
Quote from: Dev on March 30, 2022, 18:15That hammer whack is going to cost someone else $600 once they find out. Its all relative but better than getting slapped by an emotional cuckold at the Academy.
I would however pay a premium for an original NAVPOD just so the dash matches exactly or for the original TRD polyurethane stage 1 kit. Those you cant wack into existence.
If the NAVPOD is the Toyota Nav device, I happen to have one fitted into my MY. 2004 black '2' in the locker behind the drivers seat(UK of course!) , I have no use for it as such. Pm me if you want to carry on this dialogue
Appreciate the offer. I already have the NAVPOD housing that I purchased from a member in 2010 for $50 new. At the time myself and the seller didn't think they would ever be worth that much. I have now seen them go as high as $400 a few years ago and the item sold very quickly. Its invaluable until you can get one made that is an exact replica. As far as the NAV system I do not know anyone that would be interested as its outdated but I can see a collector wanting it.
Quote from: Topdownman on March 30, 2022, 18:42I am looking forward to what ropey racing come up with their short shifter which is currently being worked on.
Here is one of their teaser photos.
(https://i.imgur.com/1H5ppRH.jpg)
I wonder what it is that ropey racing know about our, at least 16 years old, 2's and the owners that we don't know?
Our cars are not the most common and the prototype has the look of something that some thought/ investment has gone into to make an aesthetically pleasing device.
It will all come down to the price. (Assuming it works well!).
If it is not stupid money I can imagine a lot of interest. Stupid money of course is relative to the kind of money 2 owners are used to spending....
https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?msg=660457
That's how I did mine, except I bent the shifter about an inch towards me as I have short hands!
I still can't get my head round how a little bend makes it a short shift, in my mind bend or not it is still moving as much ?
It's not the bend but the length after the ball...by entending that by say 1cm, the actual travel when shifting, becomes longer and thereby shorter on the upper side. Make sense?
I only bent the bend a bit ) about an inch towards me.
Quote from: J88TEO on March 31, 2022, 12:32It's not the bend but the length after the ball...by entending that by say 1cm, the actual travel when shifting, becomes longer and thereby shorter on the upper side. Make sense?
I only bent the bend a bit ) about an inch towards me.
It is about leverage. The ball is the fulcrum and the lower bit is the side moving the ´load´, moving the cables, shifting the gearbor mechanism. Moving the ball up equals a longer lever at bottom, giving it more movement for less movement of the hand.
The obvious price is a shorter stick. Bending the stick towards the driver compensates for the longer distance only. Does nothing to the lever ratio.
Extending the stick makes for lónger shift distance; your hand needing to travel fúrther for the same change in angle.
Well that's exactly what I did...move the position of the fulcrum up by 1cm.
An element that is overlooked is compliance. With the OEM shifter the length is designed around the amount of force that is used. When you shorten the length you need to increase the force, some like it and others don't.
With an increase in force at once the shifter cage undergoes more flex and compliance where you can feel more of the mushiness. This can be solved with aluminum base bushings and solid brass bushings on the shifter end. One of the best things about a gated shifter is less compliance and a direct feel of the shifter.
I am now interested in the ropey racing shifter since it will be ridged because of the metal housing instead of plastic. I am also sure the bushings or bearings in the design of the shifter will have a lot less slop in it making it feel like a bolt action riffle. It will not make the car faster but it is what people appreciate with driving cars that have gated shifters or those where the transmission is directly below the shifter.
Quote from: Dev on March 31, 2022, 17:52An element that is overlooked is compliance. With the OEM shifter the length is designed around the amount of force that is used. When you shorten the length you need to increase the force, some like it and others don't.
With an increase in force at once the shifter cage undergoes more flex and compliance where you can feel more of the mushiness. This can be solved with aluminum base bushings and solid brass bushings on the shifter end. One of the best things about a gated shifter is less compliance and a direct feel of the shifter.
Yes, the force rátio changes but the force on the fulcrum/bearings et al does not.
The crux is taht force needed to shift the gears is the same. By shortening the lever arm at the hand side the fórce is incremented in the same measure but the rotational moment is the sáme.
In other words: you only need to push/pull a bit more deliberately because you have a shorter lever. That´s all. No beefing up needed. Well, biceps perhaps ;D
Quote from: Petrus on March 31, 2022, 18:20Yes, the force rátio changes but the force on the fulcrum/bearings et al does not.
The crux is taht force needed to shift the gears is the same. By shortening the lever arm at the hand side the fórce is incremented in the same measure but the rotational moment is the sáme.
In other words: you only need to push/pull a bit more deliberately because you have a shorter lever. That´s all. No beefing up needed. Well, biceps perhaps ;D
Ofcourse however the slop and compliance is magnified and felt with the shorter lever and throw with more effort to move. Although on the other end the effort is the same it is the flex of plastic housing as you push on the lever that is the source of compliance where the shifter wasn't designed for. Anything to strengthen it could yield good results for a short shifter as far as feel.
I was looking up details of the Ropey Racing Shifter and it would appear that its going to be one of those high shifters they use for racing with only a 25% reduction in throw.
Not what I am looking for. I feel the my B&M shifter copy has a much shorter throw than 25%. I would be interested in an aluminum shifter cage that is a replica of the plastic with a solid mount to the floor.
https://www.ropeyracing.com/the-shifter (https://www.ropeyracing.com/the-shifter)
Quote from: Dev on March 31, 2022, 18:34I would be interested in an aluminum shifter cage that is a replica of the plastic with a solid mount to the floor.
There used to be Spanish bloke in Cataluña or the Baleares who made exquisite cages incl. for the ZZW30. Forgot his name/detail but I am sure sómeone here will remember. Exquisite price too ::)
Quote from: Petrus on March 31, 2022, 18:43There used to be Spanish bloke in Cataluña or the Baleares who made exquisite cages incl. for the ZZW30. Forgot his name/detail but I am sure sómeone here will remember. Exquisite price too ::)
That is one of the problems with rice and posers. Some people want the look and don't really care about the functionality. I just want something that will not be seen under the plastic.
The most puzzling things I have seen are those aluminum anodized tow hooks that are not functional.
Quote from: Dev on March 31, 2022, 18:52That is one of the problems with rice and posers. Some people want the look and don't really care about the functionality. I just want something that will not be seen under the plastic.
You don´t háve to put the none too nice plastic centre console over.
I would happily delete the prone-to-cracking-from-the-handbrake-opening-thing.
Quote from: Petrus on March 31, 2022, 18:57You don´t háve to put the none too nice plastic centre console over.
I would happily delete the prone-to-cracking-from-the-handbrake-opening-thing.
I never seen one cracked and if mine did I would locate another one and reinforce it. I particularly don't like the stripped out car look for a road car because it looks shabby like I can afford to fix it. I have modified my interior but its only in a way that makes it look higher quality but realistic like it came that way from the factory.There are some cost cutting measures for the interior to keep the price down but it doesn't have to be that way with a little help with higher quality replacement additions to keep it contemporary.
Quote from: Dev on March 31, 2022, 19:13I never seen one cracked and if mine did I would locate another one and reinforce it.
Mine cracked and I did same.
I lóve the stripped look O:-)
Quote from: Petrus on March 31, 2022, 19:23Mine cracked and I did same.
I lóve the stripped look O:-)
Malaga likely has more sunshine/ UV light than Washington DC.
I have seen some rough ones where the paint was faded and chipped form constant sun exposure and the interior plastics has chalked up to where it looks terrible but no cracks. Toyota makes very durable interiors even if they look utilitarian but the same cant be said with other makes where the entire dash cracks in half. I am sure there are examples of these interiors with cracks but for the most part they have held up well except for the plastic tabs that tend to go brittle and break off. If there was a known issue I would still replace the part.
Quote from: SV-3 on March 30, 2022, 13:151% of Time?
1% total, at one time I had 300+ watches but really three is enough, a dress watch, a sports watch and a beater.
Quote from: Dev on March 31, 2022, 18:34I would be interested in an aluminum shifter cage that is a replica of the plastic with a solid mount to the floor.
Me too, if some one can make a batch.