This morning, I decided I should really tell my insurance company about my modifications (yes, before you all have a go, I should have done it a lot earlier), namely the TTE, 17" wheels and the Apexi induction.
They have just called me back... and it's not good s:( :( s:(
Apparently, for whatever reason my existing insurer won't cover the car with the Apexi, although they are fine with the wheels and exhaust, so they say they have to cancel the policy (pro-rata fortunately) and source me a new one that will accept the mods. This says to me 'cha-ching' on their part.
I'm going to see what they come back with, but if the quote is ridiculosly higher than what I was paying, I'll try to get them to leave my existing policy be and 'remove' s:wink: :wink: s:wink: the Apexi.
Wish I'd kept shtum about the induction now.
It's not wise to keep quiet about obvious mods like that. If your car got written off, when they inspect it, they'd notice the mod, and quite possibly refuse you any money.
Yeah, but in the event of an accident, I would have the car taken either to my home or my very friendly and understanding dealer, where I would throw the stock airbox back in. If it was a bad accident, I don't really think I would be too worried about that anyway! Bear in mind that the induction isn't visible without an inspection, and I'm prepared to take the risk.
Hell, it's been on the car for 10 months as it is!
Thats one of the reasons im not making major changes to my car at the moment as my current insurance company wanted £150 extra for a set of alloys! (yeah right!!!)
You might want to try that Dorset Insurance that do special discouts for members of... IIRC 'IMOC' or whatever club it is (i think mph is with them). Thats who i will be getting a quote from next.
Fair play. Last time I had a prang the care was banana shaped and undrivable. The insurance company carted it off to a compound and then gave it a very thorough inspection.
I'm not brave enough to risk it, but good on you if you are... insurers are second on my hate list after "safety" cameras. Anyone who can save make less money for the insurers and not risk others is fine by me!
If the quote is high, will you get the option of taking a refund? If so it might be worth joining the MR2 Owners' Club and using their scheme with DIG. I think you can get a quote before joining, but must be a member before start of policy (i think)
From what I can make out they may well charge nothing extra for these mods. They also cover track days, and were still the 2nd best quote that I received (behind Direct Line). I didn't plan mods or track days so I went with DL... which is probably a good thing as I might have been sorely tempted to join the H&S group buy otherwise!!
Quote from: "Slacey"If it was a bad accident, I don't really think I would be too worried about that anyway!
I have no idea how strict your insurance-thingies are, but over here you can get into really deep s**t if you drive with illegal mods.
Here's a worst case scenario...something to think about:
You get into a serious accident. Both cars get totaled and ppl die or get a permanent injury and have to use a wheelchair for the rest of their life. You pay both cars and all medical expenses caused by the accident...and the accident doesn't even have to be your fault.
You just might end up paying for someone for the rest of your life, more then you will ever earn from any work. It's a worst case scenario and very unlikely, but think about it anyway...
Quote from: "Tem"Quote from: "Slacey"If it was a bad accident, I don't really think I would be too worried about that anyway!
I have no idea how strict your insurance-thingies are, but over here you can get into really deep s**t if you drive with illegal mods.
Here's a worst case scenario...something to think about:
You get into a serious accident. Both cars get totaled and ppl die or get a permanent injury and have to use a wheelchair for the rest of their life. You pay both cars and all medical expenses caused by the accident...and the accident doesn't even have to be your fault.
You just might end up paying for someone for the rest of your life, more then you will ever earn from any work. It's a worst case scenario and very unlikely, but think about it anyway...
That sort of thing can, and does, happen over here all the time. Insurance companies in the UK have zero tolerance for undeclared modifications in a claim situation.
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Quote from: "Hardcore"Insurance companies in the UK have zero tolerance for undeclared modifications in a claim situation.
I can undestand that, but where do you draw the line on a mod? Had everyone declared their stainless sills, or their wind deflectors? Or what about my little round reflective tow-hooks?
You need to find out from your insurance company, in writing, what they consider modifications to be.
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Yep, that's how you're supposed to do it. Wonder how many of us do.
Quote from: "phil4"I can undestand that, but where do you draw the line on a mod? Had everyone declared their stainless sills, or their wind deflectors? Or what about my little round reflective tow-hooks?
my thoughts exactly... i mean, some companies will not like you to even change the standard stereo or something, but im sure 99% of people do this and dont tell their insurance company, yet that would make it more attractive to thiefs.
Its usually mods that increase performance or desirability of the car that they dont like... so i could guess that a clear deflector or something liek that would generally not be a problem as that is the
kinda thing that you could pick up from halfords and fit... if you get what i mean?? s:? :? s:?
thats all just off the top of my head.. no basis for my thoughts at all! s:D :D s:D
True.
Personally i don't think it's worth the risk to not declare mods. If you worry about paying £10 extra on your policy think about paying out £15,000 when your insurance company refuses to write off your car after an accident, or more if someone sues you etc etc...
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Quote from: "Hardcore"Personally i don't think it's worth the risk to not declare mods. If you worry about paying £10 extra on your policy think about paying out £15,000 when your insurance company refuses to write off your car after an accident, or more if someone sues you etc etc...
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very true... so have you told yours about things like your side vents etc?
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"Quote from: "Hardcore"Personally i don't think it's worth the risk to not declare mods. If you worry about paying £10 extra on your policy think about paying out £15,000 when your insurance company refuses to write off your car after an accident, or more if someone sues you etc etc...
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very true... so have you told yours about things like your side vents etc?
Yep.
I'm with Direct Line and so far they have not charged me for anything, as I would expect really. The only thing that 'counted' as a mod with them was the TTE springs, and they didn't charge me anything extra for them.
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Quote from: "zud"If the quote is high, will you get the option of taking a refund? If so it might be worth joining the MR2 Owners' Club and using their scheme with DIG. I think you can get a quote before joining, but must be a member before start of policy (i think)
MR2 Drivers Club (http://www.mr2dc.com)
Dorset Insurance Group (http://www.dorsetinsurancegroup.co.uk/mr2.htm)
DIG will provide a quote if you're not yet a DC member, and even take your initial membership fee (to prove membership) with an accepted quote. Note that continued membership of the DC is a requirement of the policy; allowing your DC membership to lapse == no insurance.
Quote from: "Hardcore"Yep.
I'm with Direct Line and so far they have not charged me for anything, as I would expect really. The only thing that 'counted' as a mod with them was the TTE springs, and they didn't charge me anything extra for them.
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I know this sounds strange, but are those declared mods listed on your insurance statement?
That last time I spoke to my insurance company I had so much trouble explaining what I was changing I shudder to think how hard it would be to explain sills, wind deflectors or tow-hook reflectors s:) :) s:)
I forgot to add; the MR2DC/DIG scheme's policy on mods has reportedly recently changed, in that there's now no blanket "any mod accepted without charge" coverage.
Reasonable mods (ie those that don't signficantly affect risk) should be fine without additional charge, but expect (fairly, IMHO) to pay for outrageous things (eg turbos s:wink: :wink: s:wink: )
They didnt charge for your springs? Thats good!!!
Whenever ive called them in the past (apart from the last time when i wanted wheels) they said "does it make any performance increase or more desirable to theifs" so ive said no and they have said "ok then" and thats it...none of the mods where listed on my policy after i told them. i just think that a lot of them think that if you mod your car then you are a rude boy and are going to drive like one!
Actually while I'm thinking about this, let's take this to the extreme... CDs and floor matts. How many people declare their floor mats? Yet they could affect safety (get stuck under a pedal), and add value to the car (the value of the mats).
If we're on the value front, how many people have declared what CDs are in their car?
This is what I mean about "what do you declare". Just because we don't consider matts to be a mod, do they? Has anyone asked?
Quote from: "phil4"This is what I mean about "what do you declare". Just because we don't consider matts to be a mod, do they? Has anyone asked?
It's easy to be on the safe side. Just tell them about anything you do, maybe they will get bored of it after a while and tell you to quit reporting anything but a bodykit or turbo s;) ;) s;)
Over here CD's and any other removable stuff doesn't count. Only things that you "bolt on" to the car and can be considered permanent mods. For example a CD player that comes off without any tools is a permanent mod, but an Apexi RSM wouldn't be...unless you make a permanent bracket/fixing for it.
I'm sure YOUR company will tell you THEIR rules, if you phone them s;) ;) s;)
DIG have my policy for both my cars.
They have matched my cheapest quote (£435) and are fine with A'Pexi etc.
Quote from: "pmdye"... but expect (fairly, IMHO) to pay for outrageous things (eg turbos s:wink: :wink: s:wink: )
My turbo is covered for no additional charge s:D :D s:D
I declare all fixed or altered from OEM standard parts to DIG. This includes brake pads, brake fluid and even oil (I use 10W-60 fully synth - not quite your usual stuff).
Given that: a) it's free; and b) it's only an email, there's no reason not to be 100% accurate. Don't forget, if you don't declare and have an accident, not only will your insurance be void, you could well be prosecuted for driving without insurance.
Blimey, I leave the office for an hour or so, and there have been stacks of posts!
They have called me back asking for more info about the mods, the longer this goes on, the less I like the way it's going. This feels like it is going to cost me, big time. I think the comment about the refund and going with the MR2DC & Dorset may well be the way to go, especially as where the mods are concerned, I definately haven't finished yet!
Hopefully they will let me know soon....
aso worth checking is whether the value of mods are covered?
Last time I spoke to Direct Line about mods (previous car) they would charge you extra for the mods that they would allow but the extra was only for the privilige of being insured it didn't cover the value of the mod.
I.e if you got rear ended they would only replace your exhaust with a stock item not the TTE.
Bit of a con but fairly common amongst you typical high street insurer.
I'm with DIG because they actually cover the value of the mods as well.
Quote from: "phil4"Quote from: "Hardcore"Yep.
I'm with Direct Line and so far they have not charged me for anything, as I would expect really. The only thing that 'counted' as a mod with them was the TTE springs, and they didn't charge me anything extra for them.
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I know this sounds strange, but are those declared mods listed on your insurance statement?
That last time I spoke to my insurance company I had so much trouble explaining what I was changing I shudder to think how hard it would be to explain sills, wind deflectors or tow-hook reflectors s:) :) s:)
Only the springs are listed on my insurance statement as this is the only thing I have done that Direct Line consider to be a 'modification', despite the fact they haven't charged me for it.
When they told me there was no additional charge I asked them specifically to add it to my insurance statement so that there could be no disagreement later.
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Well, the girl at the insurance co. has been on again for the third time, asking yet more questions about the TTE and the Apexi.
The exhaust being a cat-back doesn't really seem to be an issue, but having told them yet again that the Apexi at most gives 1 - 2bhp extra, they have come back that this is bullsh*it, and induction kit is designed for a greater increase, so I have offered to 'remove' it, as I said up there somewhere.
I await their response.... s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "Slacey"yet again that the Apexi at most gives 1 - 2bhp extra, they have come back that this is bullsh*it, and induction kit is designed for a greater increase,
Don't know what the effect is of your kit, but the "review" of the different filters, and their ability to clean (which indicated the Apexi as the best), was suggesting 13-14bhp.
Quote from: "phil4"was suggesting 13-14bhp.
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: i saw that too... did make me laugh!
Quote from: "phil4"Don't know what the effect is of your kit, but the "review" of the different filters, and their ability to clean (which indicated the Apexi as the best), was suggesting 13-14bhp.
s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
I've seen a couple of before & after dyno's from our friends on SC a while back, and 1 -2bhp was definately all they were getting.
I'm trying not to argue with the insurance about this, I'm just stating what I have seen when they asked the question on performance increase. To be honest, this really has been a hassle - it's now 6:25, they haven't called back, for all I know my '2 isn't insured!
Quote from: "Slacey"To be honest, this really has been a hassle - it's now 6:25, they haven't called back, for all I know my '2 isn't insured!
I'd liken insurance companies to the house at a casino. And we're all the gamblers.
Slightly OT, but since we're bitching at insurance companies...
Going to France so needed insurance certificate, couldn't find it. Rang up for a duplicate - that'll be £15 please sir. "But it's a bit of paper, some toner and a stamp."
So I thought I'd get my own back, I rang back tonight and told them I'd put an extra 1000 miles on the policy and hence they'd need to send me a new document - genius.
Not - cost of 1000 miles, £23. s:( :( s:( Oh well, I'll enjoy doing them.
Brilliant.
J
Quote from: "Hardcore"You need to find out from your insurance company, in writing, what they consider modifications to be.
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I this is very relevant - I have had companies turn me down for '2 insurance because of the hard top and air con! Although they are on the standard options list, they were considered mods, therefore these companies wouldn't insure me.
Go figure - but it seems like it's best to ask first.
I can't recall which companies these were, but you'll probably find them in the back of a car magazine, 'cos that's where I normally start my insurance search....
Quote from: "phil4"Don't know what the effect is of your kit, but the "review" of the different filters, and their ability to clean (which indicated the Apexi as the best), was suggesting 13-14bhp.
Uhhh...that test was done on a TT Supra, not MR2 s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "Tem"Quote from: "phil4"Don't know what the effect is of your kit, but the "review" of the different filters, and their ability to clean (which indicated the Apexi as the best), was suggesting 13-14bhp.
Uhhh...that test was done on a TT Supra, not MR2 s;) ;) s;)
I sit corrected s:) :) s:)
s:( :( s:( This has now been (finally) resolved. After offering to remove the Apexi, the TTE which was originally OK, after the offer of removal, became a problem. I've never heard so much crap, I tell you - one minute the exhuast is OK but the Induction not, then the exhuast IS a problem when the Induction is taken out of the equation? s:? :? s:?
The upshot is that I have had to cancel my existing policy (this is where the only good bit of this comes in, they refunded the policy pro-rata, so I got a reasonable £267 after having the policy for 6 months), and take out a new one, which although it works out at £70 a year more, ALL my mods are covered, and they are very flexible with a range of other mods too.
Better in the long run I suppose, but trust me, I am NOT happy.
Bloody insurance! s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Sounds like serious arse-ache... who's the policy with now?
Quote from: "phil4"Sounds like serious arse-ache... who's the policy with now?
Highway - I've had previous policies with them for my ZX6-R, Rover 220 Coupé and Frontera - they were OK to be honest. I had to use someone my broker found to be able to take the refund from the other policy - probably absolute crap (I was looking into Dorset), but to be honest, after spending 45 minutes on my mobile answering stupid questions, I was too pissed off to argue!
(Their phone bill by the way! s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: )
I agree insurance companies are a bunch of rip off merchants. My missus was hit from behind by an insured car who was originally hit by joyriders who did a runner. This was in April.
Elephant have just EMAILED to say that they have received the Police report and that because they cannot retrieve their loss from the car which caused the accident (the joyriders) then she can't claim back her excess and has lost her no claims.
Whatever happened to claiming off the car that hit you then they claim off the car behind them etc???
I'm with DIG, and they have happily covered my apexi and remus and also the 5 track days I have done so far (including the 'ring!)
They offer a price match policy on renewals, so I won't be going anywhere! Top notch for an insurance co, imo s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I phoned my broker this morning and told him about the mod. I tried to squeeze it past him on the basis that it was just a 'replacement air cleaner element'. he was smarter than that and asked me whether I had also replaced the air box and whether it was a performance kit. I had to fess up.
After checking with my insurer (Norwich Union) he told me that there would be no extra charge. Result!