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The Workshop => General => Topic started by: MR2john on January 25, 2006, 20:14

Title: Interesting Article - TTE Turbo available in UK
Post by: MR2john on January 25, 2006, 20:14
Came across this article on the pistonHeads site thought it maybe interesting for some  s8) 8) s8)  
 w www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=12978 (http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=12978) w

Hope the link works!!!!!
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Post by: Slacey on January 25, 2006, 20:19
We are in talks with Silverstone Performance as we speak, look out for more on these guys soon  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2006, 20:32
Am I reading that right... They will be able to supply and install the TTE Turbo in a 2  s:?: :?: s:?:  So no need to go to Germany??
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Post by: ninjinski on January 25, 2006, 20:34
Interesting - If they offered TTE turbos without the hasle of a trip across the water - I'd be very very tempted   s:D :D s:D

EDIT** Seems like they do http://domain936675.sites.fasthosts.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59 **EDIT

Just need to get a price now to see what we are looking at?
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Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2006, 21:11
When i had my spyder converted in germany, florian bachus told me about an english company going across in the new year, from silverstone, didnt relise it would be this soon though, anybody wanting a turbo i would reccomend this!
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Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2006, 21:21
Quote from: "Slacey"We are in talks with Silverstone Performance as we speak, look out for more on these guys soon  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Sean, are you inferring TTE turbo on a Group Buy basis or am I just wishful thinking  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
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Post by: mrsmr2 on January 25, 2006, 22:04
Group buy, group buy, group buy ....
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Post by: markiii on January 25, 2006, 22:49
wishful thinking however as with any product the more you buy teh cheaper teh price, so I'd speculate that it's not that daft an idea.
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Post by: Slacey on January 26, 2006, 05:44
I will be meeting with them in a week or two, I can certainly propose a Group Buy as part of the chat. How many would be genuinely interested and likely to buy?
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Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 07:02
Quote from: "Slacey"I will be meeting with them in a week or two, I can certainly propose a Group Buy as part of the chat. How many would be genuinely interested and likely to buy?

Sean, I'm genuinely interested. Infact on the assumption it's a possible GB I'm going to start spending a bit of cash on the mrs to soften her up a little  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: heathstimpson on January 26, 2006, 07:39
Quote from: "DavidM"
Quote from: "Slacey"I will be meeting with them in a week or two, I can certainly propose a Group Buy as part of the chat. How many would be genuinely interested and likely to buy?

Sean, I'm genuinely interested. Infact on the assumption it's a possible GB I'm going to start spending a bit of cash on the mrs to soften her up a little  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Your not the only one and its only down the road to me  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: heathstimpson on January 26, 2006, 07:42
Quote from: "ninjinski"Interesting - If they offered TTE turbos without the hasle of a trip across the water - I'd be very very tempted   s:D :D s:D

EDIT** Seems like they do http://domain936675.sites.fasthosts.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59 **EDIT

Just need to get a price now to see what we are looking at?
I love that front bumper in the link piccy  s8) 8) s8)
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Post by: ninjinski on January 26, 2006, 08:19
Quote from: "Slacey"I will be meeting with them in a week or two, I can certainly propose a Group Buy as part of the chat. How many would be genuinely interested and likely to buy?

Sean if the price is right its a no brainer for me particularily with waranty and after sale support as part of the deal - count me in!

  s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D
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Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 08:26
At the Essen Motor Show (25/11 to 4/12) Toyota Motorsport offered a 20% discount on the Turbo kit & installation, list price 6844 Euros (£4750) was reduced to 5500 Euros (£3800).

Lets do it soon..........please, please, please.  s:P :P s:P
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Post by: ninjinski on January 26, 2006, 08:29
If we can beat that initial Essen discount price, seeing that the MR2 is going out of production, Im interested!! - Sean we need to get a very competitive price out of them!

James   s:D :D s:D
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Post by: aaronjb on January 26, 2006, 09:09
Quote from: "DavidM"reduced to 5500 Euros (£3800).

I've got to say - I still think that's an awful lot for a system that will probably leave you wanting more, is a sealed system (so if you want more boost, there goes another £400 or so on an ECU) and doesn't seem to offer that many advantages - it's not like they're warrantying your engine with the turbo on it, AFAIK..

And a Toyota dealer still won't know what to do with one, should you ever have the misfortune to need to show him it..  s;) ;) s;)
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Post by: dreambackup on January 26, 2006, 10:58
I do agree!

if only they offered a good warranty... but no, not if you have already used the car.

I'd say for that price, you can either go C2 or Hass and have spare change for a new engine in case things go very wrong  s:? :? s:?  

more over, as you said, Aaron, I am sure that my usual Toyota will freak out when he sees it. actually, they freak out when the see anything without "Toyota" on it (even "TRD" or "TTE" is scary to them  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  ).

I'd love to know if their header can be used with a stock (or TTE  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  ) exhaust... and the price for the thing...

I can't wait to read from the guy(s) who bought it  s:idea: :idea: s:idea:
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Post by: TommyD on January 26, 2006, 11:14
Exactly my thoughts. The warranty is only useful if your car is still in warranty. If the turbo blows up your engine after your car is 3 years old...  s:cry: :cry: s:cry:  Yes the cover on the turbo probably lasts 3 or more years but who will know how to repair it? The ecu unit is sealed and set at very safe and very low boost levels, we are only looking at 40HP over stock. Turbo systems like C2 and Hass are servicable and really are simple systems to run for anyone who looks under their bonnet, no bias here at all   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  Having said that, it does look nice and I believe it fits the TTE exhaust fine.
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Post by: Silverstone Performance on January 26, 2006, 14:17
Hi Guys (and Girls)
Price and warranty were/are both issues we wanted to be clear on at the start of this project.  
The kit has a three year warranty on parts for cars not covered by factory warranty, for cars under manufacturers warranty the kit and any other defects are covered as normal.  Having seen the way the kit is engineered and installed, there really shouldn't be any need for the warranty  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  Part of TMC's original criteria for TTE was that the turbocharged engine ran at full load for 100hrs without failure, which it did!
Toyota dealers will be able to work on a TTE turbo in exactly the same way as a standard car, the kit comes with a service manual and a list of special service items, which they can order in the normal way or from us.
We are actually finalising the price with TTE as we speak.
Our demonstrator will be available as soon as we finished the other mods...
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Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 14:26
Quote from: "TommyD"Exactly my thoughts. The warranty is only useful if your car is still in warranty. If the turbo blows up your engine after your car is 3 years old...  s:cry: :cry: s:cry:  Yes the cover on the turbo probably lasts 3 or more years but who will know how to repair it? The ecu unit is sealed and set at very safe and very low boost levels, we are only looking at 40HP over stock. Turbo systems like C2 and Hass are servicable and really are simple systems to run for anyone who looks under their bonnet, no bias here at all   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  Having said that, it does look nice and I believe it fits the TTE exhaust fine.

IIRC reports I've read say it increases the bhp from 138 stock to 189 turbo'd, which in increase of 51bhp (+35%).
Regarding warranty the system is supposed to have a 3 year warranty and it must be possible to extend the Toyota 3 year car warranty witth a TTE turbo fitted. So really no warranty issue for people still under warranty.

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Took to long responding and there is the answer...before my post  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
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Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 14:38
Would love to be the Demo car for this, get it done on the cheap and they can plaster my car with stickers to promote. normal thing that happens with this type of thing
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Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 16:53
Having read the article, i have to say that the thing that jumps out at me is the torque figure, 255nm.

What are the Hass/C2 guys getting as a torque figure?
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Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 17:09
I'm getting roughly 254Nm@10psi!  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
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Post by: heathstimpson on January 26, 2006, 17:14
Personally I prefer higher torque than power at the end of the day; it's more usable  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: markiii on January 26, 2006, 17:15
in which case unless they have changed it since teh test car I drove there is no way that figure  is correct
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Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 17:19
It does seem a tad high...
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Post by: heathstimpson on January 26, 2006, 17:21
Quote from: "Ekona"It does seem a tad high...
Just hoping they have got it right in anticipation  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: kanujunkie on January 26, 2006, 17:29
looks like its not a typo, i found this in my files

 m http://www.tandridgecanoe.co.uk/roadste ... rbo_RZ.pdf (http://www.tandridgecanoe.co.uk/roadster/TTE_MR2_Turbo_RZ.pdf) m
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Post by: markiii on January 26, 2006, 17:44
hmm most odd

didn't feel that quick, and we didn't exactly spare teh horses
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Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 18:00
Seriuosly interested in this for my 54 plate car, I was put off the haas and c2 route because of the warranty issues.

If i could get the 2 to similar power output as my old CTR without risk to the internals it'll make the 2 the car it should have been fom the off.


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Post by: TommyD on January 26, 2006, 18:49
Someone needs to get one installed and then get a test reading done, I can't believe that the torque would be equal to Hass at 10psi.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 18:54
Quote from: "Ekona"I'm getting roughly 254Nm@10psi!  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

Anyone spot the deliberate mistake in my post? No? I'll enlighten everyone then...


My torque figure above was taken from my dyno at Thor which shows power at the hubs, and not power at the flywheel (which is what I'm presuming TTE are stating for their kit). My old dyno printout showed 172lb/ft at just 5psi and that's at the flywheel: For a comparison, at Thor I was getting 156lb/ft at the hubs at 6psi.

If you say that I gain/lose 5lb/ft for every psi, then 150lb/ft at the hubs is roughly equal to 5psi: Basically, a 13% drop from fly to hubs. Going on that, I'm making about 211lb/ft, or 285Nm. Which is better than the TTE kit, but then I'm at 10psi and I bet that kit is nowhere near that level of boost so maybe TTE's figures are right... Or they could still be wrong.



Does any of that post make sense to people?
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Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 19:23
Quote from: "TommyD"Someone needs to get one installed and then get a test reading done, I can't believe that the torque would be equal to Hass at 10psi.

Bossman23780 has TTE turbo installed so he can be the guinea pig. We are awaiting his pics and report on another thread. I'm hoping to meet up with him shortly to have a look. Hopefully he'll take me for a spin  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: philster_d on January 26, 2006, 20:09
....to a dyno
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Post by: spit on January 26, 2006, 22:38
Quote from: "Ekona"Does any of that post make sense to people?
s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  Me gone dizzy wiv all your numbers Dan  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  285NM fly looks about right on your calcs though - boy, I bet thats one fun car!

Just to clarify your 'sumption for readers, the TTE numbers are at the flywheel. But what level of boost does the TTE run at? Have I missed that info somewhere? Anyone know  s:?: :?: s:?:  

Quote from: "spgreen"What are the Hass/C2 guys getting as a torque figure?
Alberto's C2 had 224NM peak at the wheels at 4psi. Flywheel? Dunno...  I'm not firing on all four at the mo so guessing my numbers are way down in slug territory.

And my two penn'orth: I'm so glad the TTE has arrived. As a discontinuing marque, the more options we have to breath new life into the Roadster, the better. I'm with TommyD on the view that Hass/C2 et al are all viable - & so is 2zz come to that - but its great that we now have a whole spectrum of options from DIY right through to Turnkey. Makes it harder to find the excuse to resist, eh?  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2006, 10:42
I'd be interested in hearing the price details please Sean, particularly if Silverstone agree to any sort of "group buy" price structure.

And if I was considering it, for me the best thing to do would be just go to Silverstone and try their demo vehicle!

thanks
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Post by: Slacey on January 27, 2006, 11:00
The meeting with SP is set, so I will take forward the questions raised here although they are registered as per the post above so will have a heads up before I get there. I am hoping I can set up a vlub meet at Silverstone too so those interested can come along for a bit of a social and take a look at SP's demo car.
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Post by: mrsmr2 on January 27, 2006, 12:09
I'm interested to know what additional bracing they add.  Also, is the fan mounted in the bonnet (seen on the SP website) included?

Jason
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Post by: mrsmr2 on January 27, 2006, 12:11
Quote from: "Slacey"The meeting with SP is set, so I will take forward the questions raised here although they are registered as per the post above so will have a heads up before I get there. I am hoping I can set up a vlub meet at Silverstone too so those interested can come along for a bit of a social and take a look at SP's demo car.

Excellent idea, can they hire out Silverstone circuit for the day so we can really try the demo car out?   s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D  

Jason
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Post by: kanujunkie on January 27, 2006, 13:00
Quote from: "mrsmr2"
Quote from: "Slacey"The meeting with SP is set, so I will take forward the questions raised here although they are registered as per the post above so will have a heads up before I get there. I am hoping I can set up a vlub meet at Silverstone too so those interested can come along for a bit of a social and take a look at SP's demo car.

Excellent idea, can they hire out Silverstone circuit for the day so we can really try the demo car out?   s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D  

Jason

and our own cars   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Silverstone Performance on January 27, 2006, 14:06
Track days, dyno shootout outs, club meets are the kind of events we anticiapted being of interest to MR2 Roadster owners (it is the Roadster we are focusing on) as it is with TVR owners.  
Looking forward to the meeting with Slacey to discuss...
Back to the torque for a moment.  We don't have any first hand experience of any other conversions yet, but the TTE kit really does impress in the mid range.  255NM or 188 lb ft is quoted and certainly feels about right (the RR will tell us for sure  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  ) Boost is deliberately low, about 7psi or 0.5bar, as not to sacrifice the torque.
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Post by: mrsmr2 on January 27, 2006, 14:23
Any thoughts about the impact on insurance?

I'm quite happily paying £300, fully protected, and 10k miles with esure.

Obviously, they won't touch me with a turbo so interested to know what other insureres might charge.

Thanks

Jason
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Post by: edward.carter on January 27, 2006, 14:33
Quote from: "mrsmr2"Any thoughts about the impact on insurance?

I'm quite happily paying £300, fully protected, and 10k miles with esure.

Obviously, they won't touch me with a turbo so interested to know what other insureres might charge.

Thanks

Jason

Well if i remember rightly dan (ekona) who is 26 and with adrian flux got charged an extra £125 for his turbo! ! and the tte one having less power may be even less than that, I think it all comes down to % increase.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2006, 14:40
Generally you'll pay alot les for a turbo than a new engine.

a turbo is only classed as an engine modification.

the best for this is elephant.
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Post by: edward.carter on January 27, 2006, 14:41
get ready for   s:flame: :flame: s:flame:
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Post by: markiii on January 27, 2006, 14:43
ok the wheels are in motion we will keep you posted
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Post by: heathstimpson on January 28, 2006, 08:10
Quote from: "mrsmr2"
Quote from: "Slacey"The meeting with SP is set, so I will take forward the questions raised here although they are registered as per the post above so will have a heads up before I get there. I am hoping I can set up a vlub meet at Silverstone too so those interested can come along for a bit of a social and take a look at SP's demo car.

Excellent idea, can they hire out Silverstone circuit for the day so we can really try the demo car out?   s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D  

Jason
Same here looking forward to this one; please can we have some flexibility with choosing dates for us shiftworkers please  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Slacey on January 28, 2006, 08:47
The dates will be set by Silverstone to fit in with their schedule, but I will see if they can offer a couple of choices.
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Post by: proeliator2001 on January 28, 2006, 15:22
If there is the chance to meet up and take a demo for a spin (not literaly) then I'd be extremely interested.  The lack of power is the only bugbear for me (being another ex CTR owner) and the chance to keep my remaining 1 year Toyota Warranty and, I assume, still be able to buy their extended warranty with a turbo fitted is a big incentive.

The price would need to be right though.  After doing a search I'm still a little clueless on what the money buys - does it include an intercooler and lid mounted cooling fan?  It's a shame that the fitted kit isn't closer to 2K than 4K but if the demo feels good enough, it may be worthwhile.  A decent group buy price would definitely help.
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Post by: heathstimpson on January 28, 2006, 16:59
Quote from: "proeliator2001"The price would need to be right though.  After doing a search I'm still a little clueless on what the money buys - does it include an intercooler and lid mounted cooling fan?  It's a shame that the fitted kit isn't closer to 2K than 4K but if the demo feels good enough, it may be worthwhile.  A decent group buy price would definitely help.
That's the crunch at the end of the day. If the price came out around 2.5K fitted I think there would be good interest with the warrenty etc included
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Post by: dreambackup on January 28, 2006, 17:22
the price is definitly too high. I started - late this week - a dialogue with TTE and the price they state is 6800€ installed in TTE's factory  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

I'd love to get a "factory" kit but I really wonder if they want to sell it  s:? :? s:?
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Post by: heathstimpson on January 29, 2006, 08:37
Quote from: "dreambackup"the price is definitly too high. I started - late this week - a dialogue with TTE and the price they state is 6800€ installed in TTE's factory  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

I'd love to get a "factory" kit but I really wonder if they want to sell it  s:? :? s:?
That would equate to nearly 5K in English pounds  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  That would be far too high for most me thinks  s:? :? s:?
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Post by: aaronjb on January 29, 2006, 10:10
Quote from: "heathstimpson"That would equate to nearly 5K in English pounds  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  That would be far too high for most me thinks  s:? :? s:?

You could probably put together a turbo 2ZZ for the same kind of money, at the very least a very well done turbo 1ZZ with a much better upgrade path than the TTE.
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Post by: filcee on January 29, 2006, 12:39
Just wondering ... and to play devil's advocate with you ... with all this talk about prices when comparing with other options for more power ... everyone here is considering the cost of their own time aren't they?  Or is that just marked down as free?

Given Dan's experiences putting his own kit together, almost leading to him ending his relationship with his car (no doubt due to utter frustration), what price would you pay to have a kit - any kit you choose - fitted and working "out of the box" (and warrantied, of course)?
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Post by: markiii on January 29, 2006, 12:47
and that is exactly what yuour paying for.

some people consider the install and troubleshooting part of teh fun, some don't.
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Post by: Tem on January 29, 2006, 13:08
Quote from: "filcee"everyone here is considering the cost of their own time aren't they?  Or is that just marked down as free?

Personally, I don't "charge" my own time, when I'm doing something I enjoy anyway. It's a hobby, not work. Heck, I even made a tune from scratch, just because I enjoyed doing it!  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
(I did have a working map before that)


Anyway, of course this is expensive. Warranty, TÜV-approvals, tested by Toyota Japan, it's all charged in the price. If someone values those, I'm sure it's a great kit for them. If not, there's no point in paying for them. Great thing to have so many choices these days!  s8) 8) s8)
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Post by: heathstimpson on January 29, 2006, 14:00
Quote from: "filcee"Just wondering ... and to play devil's advocate with you ... with all this talk about prices when comparing with other options for more power ... everyone here is considering the cost of their own time aren't they?  Or is that just marked down as free?

Given Dan's experiences putting his own kit together, almost leading to him ending his relationship with his car (no doubt due to utter frustration), what price would you pay to have a kit - any kit you choose - fitted and working "out of the box" (and warrantied, of course)?
I know Thor charge about 1K for a full turbo install so the labour portion is not hugely expensive. 4K for all the parts and warrenty; I think NOT even with development costs included  s:? :? s:?  If the price is fair they will sell many more kits and recoup their initial design outlay. They only have a select audience and many cheaper more powerfull kit options  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: loadswine on January 29, 2006, 19:33
I hope they do bring the price down to a sensible level. I need more horses, Mini Cooper S ate me up today after leaving it up to 60.
Trouble is , I have an earlier 2 that uses a bit of oil and would think I'd need to rebuild the internals or get a late model engine replacement to handle all that grunt. Cost of turbo install plus engine might make it out of reach for me unless the blower is very reasonable.
Don't think I'm quite bright enough to do it myself.  s:? :? s:?
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Post by: mg on January 30, 2006, 18:18
Just to add to the momentum, I would be interested in this if a GB got the price near 2.5k installed.

Also a bit clueless, but could I keep my TTE exhaust?  What bracing is different from an 05 model?  Could I still use the Unichip?

How long would it take to install? (would have to travel from Scotland)
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Post by: markiii on January 30, 2006, 18:22
Quote from: "mg"Just to add to the momentum, I would be interested in this if a GB got the price near 2.5k installed.

How long would it take to install? (would have to travel from Scotland)

theres discount and there is discount, but jeez, I think you've got no chance of getting it that cheap even at a bargain £500 for labour, that would be £2000 just for teh kit, I paid £2500 for my Hass, so that could be somewhat optimistic   s:D :D s:D
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Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2006, 18:24
I can't see the price getting anywhere near £2.5K for kit and install myself, as I would have though the kit alone would cost Silverstone that. £3.5K would be nearer my best guesstimation...

Still, I could (and indeed, would love) to be wrong.


*EDIT* Damn, Mark beat me to it!
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Post by: mg on January 30, 2006, 18:26
Quote from: "markiii"theres discount and there is discount, but jeez, I think you've got no chance of getting it that cheap even at a bargain £500 for labour, that would be £2000 just for the kit, I paid £2500 for my Hass, so that could be somewhat optimistic   s:D :D s:D

Just trying to get them moving in the right direction!  s:D :D s:D  Have you never haggled?
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Post by: dreambackup on January 30, 2006, 19:15
Quote from: "mg"Just to add to the momentum, I would be interested in this if a GB got the price near 2.5k installed.
wake up  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

Quote from: "mg"Also a bit clueless, but could I keep my TTE exhaust?  
I'm not really 100% sure but it seems so. stock exhaust too (they change the header and the main cat). I have a detailled list part hosted by Dieamond here (http://dieamond.free.fr/Catalogs/TTE_Turbo.pdf)

Quote from: "mg"What bracing is different from an 05 model?
bracing changed almost each year. if your model has been build before 08/2004, they install the X-brace seen on this forum.

Quote from: "mg"Could I still use the Unichip?
guess not, they install their own ECU.

Quote from: "mg"How long would it take to install? (would have to travel from Scotland)
they would take car of the install in 1 day, if I understood correctly.

TTE is very picky about other mods made to your car (they asked me pictures of the TRD parts ie strut bars, Waydo struts, etc...)...  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
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Post by: markiii on January 30, 2006, 19:18
TTE now have a mutal arrangemtn with TRD ref supply of each other parts so TRD fitted stuff shouldn't be an issue.

Any aftermarket exhaust or cat replacement pipe will work fine.

unless it causes boost creep. There demo car used to have teh TTE exhaust so it should be fine.
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Post by: TommyD on January 30, 2006, 20:13
I think for the very reason that TTE have taken so long releasing this to the public, shows how much R&D has gone into making this as stable as possible. Some people need to get back down to earth about how much the parts alone cost.
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Post by: heathstimpson on January 30, 2006, 20:44
Quote from: "markiii"TTE now have a mutal arrangemtn with TRD ref supply of each other parts so TRD fitted stuff shouldn't be an issue.

Any aftermarket exhaust or cat replacement pipe will work fine.

unless it causes boost creep. There demo car used to have the TTE exhaust so it should be fine.
Would I be able to keep the H&S exhaust then Mark  s:?: :?: s:?:
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Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2006, 20:58
I'd have thought so. It's more free flowing though than the TTE, but I'm not sure on the effect of boost-creep on that. My brain tells me that you'd have a higher chance of it, but I'm probably wrong.




As usual.  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: heathstimpson on January 30, 2006, 21:02
Quote from: "Ekona"I'd have thought so. It's more free flowing though than the TTE, but I'm not sure on the effect of boost-creep on that. My brain tells me that you'd have a higher chance of it, but I'm probably wrong.




As usual.  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Don't worry I'm often wrong but Grant always corrects me  s:?: :?: s:?:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: aaronjb on January 30, 2006, 21:04
Normally you'd be right, Dan.. But given the huge great Pre CAT that TTE put right after the turbo, I'd wager you could run it with no exhaust at all and still not suffer boost creep  s;) ;) s;)
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Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2006, 21:07
Ah, but who's going to leave that pre-cat in there...?!  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:



Hang on, does the TTE manifold actually include the pre-cats? Or does it bolt straight up to the main cat?
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Post by: aaronjb on January 30, 2006, 21:14
Quote from: "Ekona"Ah, but who's going to leave that pre-cat in there...?!  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

The same kind of mod-phobic folks who go for a turnkey turbo solution from Toyota  s;) ;) s;)

QuoteHang on, does the TTE manifold actually include the pre-cats? Or does it bolt straight up to the main cat?

It includes a precat  s;) ;) s;)  (This is from the pdf that someone else posted earlier) - the order goes:

Manifold (which is 'upside down'), Turbo, PreCAT (bolts directly to the turbine outlet), big U bend, L bend, standard main CAT (and onward)
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Post by: dreambackup on January 30, 2006, 22:40
are you sure about the pre-cat thing?

it's not Euro IV compliant anymore, only Euro 3...  s:?: :?: s:?:    s:?: :?: s:?:    s:?: :?: s:?:   gotta check that later...
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Post by: aaronjb on January 30, 2006, 22:55
Quote from: "dreambackup"are you sure about the pre-cat thing?

it's not Euro IV compliant anymore, only Euro 3...  s:?: :?: s:?:    s:?: :?: s:?:    s:?: :?: s:?:   gotta check that later...

I was going by your link  s;) ;) s;)

Maybe they've dropped it then.. guess there's only one person around here who could tell us right now  s:) :) s:)
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Post by: markiii on January 30, 2006, 23:05
well it used to have a precat.

looking at the pics their only seems o be 1 02 sensor as well, so looks like a few things have changed
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Post by: Silverstone Performance on January 31, 2006, 09:41
The TTE does have a pre cat that replaces the standard one. The original O2 sensors are retained. It is also designed to work with the standard exhaust and main cat.  A replacement silencer will not effect the running, but removing the main cat will.  
We are working on a more performance orientated silencer and main cat that will be optimised for the kit, as well as investigating the pre-cat's function and how they it controls emmisions and the effect removing it has...
BTW the intercooler installation is neat,
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c229/fullSP/114-1402_IMG.jpg)
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Post by: Slacey on January 31, 2006, 12:05
Very nice - much better than mine. I'll take a closer look when I'm over  s:) :) s:)
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Post by: ninjinski on February 2, 2006, 23:27
Sean - When are you due to meet with them? Take some piccies when there if u can   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Slacey on February 3, 2006, 07:16
Quote from: "ninjinski"Sean - When are you due to meet with them? Take some piccies when there if u can   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
The 10th - I will take my camera  s:) :) s:)
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Post by: dreambackup on February 3, 2006, 08:27
is this the original location of the intercooler???

on the drawings, I didn't see any sign of PRE-cats (the ones in the header). where are they located now?

I know they change the main cat, though...
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Post by: aaronjb on February 3, 2006, 08:51
Quote from: "dreambackup"on the drawings, I didn't see any sign of PRE-cats (the ones in the header). where are they located now?

You mean the drawings in the PDF that you posted? (I think it was you anyway, bad memory  s;) ;) s;) ) - In that PDF, the pre cat (only one) was located immediately after the turbo, bolted directly to the exhaust output flange -- no longer in the header.
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Post by: Silverstone Performance on February 3, 2006, 09:25
Just to clarify, the intercooler location is the original for the TTE Turbo, just below the engine.  The Turbo manifold has it's own precat (100 cel race cat I believe), retains both OE O2 sensors and the works with the standard main cat and exhaust which are retained.  
The silencer can be upgraded to the TTE (or TRD) one or there will be this option  m http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic. ... 548#121548 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=121548#121548) m

As part of our exhaust development we will have a better idea of which exhausts are compatible with the Turbo kit.
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Post by: dreambackup on February 3, 2006, 18:14
thanks for the details  s:idea: :idea: s:idea:
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Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2006, 21:42
Quote from: "Slacey"
Quote from: "ninjinski"Sean - When are you due to meet with them? Take some piccies when there if u can   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
The 10th - I will take my camera  s:) :) s:)

So how did you get on Friday  s:?: :?: s:?:
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Post by: Slacey on February 12, 2006, 09:47
Quote from: "DavidM"So how did you get on Friday  s:?: :?: s:?:
Very well, excepting the fact that I left my camera by the front door!

See here (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=122712#122712) for the full report.
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Post by: markiii on February 13, 2006, 09:59
just to let you know teh offical press release is now available on teh home page
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Post by: ninjinski on February 16, 2006, 23:35
Quote from: "Slacey"
Quote from: "DavidM"So how did you get on Friday  s:?: :?: s:?:
Very well, excepting the fact that I left my camera by the front door!

See here (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=122712#122712) for the full report.

Ever get the camera back - would love to see piccies - My engine is getting needy!

I see SP mention 6 second 0-60 is this accurate?
Wonder what the time benefits are through the range 50-70, 70-100 etc?

What could we expect in terms of performance, what other cars would offer similar performance to a TTE turbo'ed MR2 - just trying to get an idea here of what benefit would be gained. TA!

While I'm on a question frenzy - what additional bracing is recommended and is there anything else that would help the car handle better with more power?

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