I think you'll find many with the RS don't daily it though, and having had a big spin a couple of years back, I wouldn't trust something that's not good in the moist.

I'm running Rainsports for safety (as you mentioned above), however, my latest car has NS20s on and I'm rather impressed with them. They're not as wibbly wobbly sidewalls. I'm not convinced that they'll be great in the wet though.

It's hard to tell at the moment though, because my steering is a little "loose" (I'm just sorting the steering at the moment).

Quote from: Zspeed on July 13, 2021, 07:35Also thinking about the conti. The hankook k125 and the kumho ha51 seem to do better than the rainsports in most tests too. I still have some time to make a decision but won't be long.

Interesting mention of the Kumho....when I was looking to buy a set of tyres 2 or 3 months ago I saw a Kumho that was highly rated in a test.  It was clearly a surprise to the website writer as the model was still the same, but he hadn't heard any publicity from Kumho about re-vamping the type.

I couldn't find any further info to back-up the one good test report, & couldn't find anything reported better than the K125.

How much info did you find on the Kumho?

Quote from: The Other Stu on July 13, 2021, 08:34I think you'll find many with the RS don't daily it though, and having had a big spin a couple of years back, I wouldn't trust something that's not good in the moist.

The AD08R I find véry trustworthy in the wet*, certainly the moist, till below some 5 degrees C.
If the weather were not só warm/dry here I would try the RS version without hesitation if the current set needs replacing.

* only with standing water they struggle to cope but that struggling still is predictable.

Quote from: Gaz mr-s on July 13, 2021, 09:47

Quote from: Zspeed on July 13, 2021, 07:35Also thinking about the conti. The hankook k125 and the kumho ha51 seem to do better than the rainsports in most tests too. I still have some time to make a decision but won't be long.

Interesting mention of the Kumho....when I was looking to buy a set of tyres 2 or 3 months ago I saw a Kumho that was highly rated in a test.  It was clearly a surprise to the website writer as the model was still the same, but he hadn't heard any publicity from Kumho about re-vamping the type.

I couldn't find any further info to back-up the one good test report, & couldn't find anything reported better than the K125.

How much info did you find on the Kumho?

Yes, it came up a few times, and I found some user reviews who seemed to be talking reasonable detail rather than the usual 'fantastic!' Comments.  I did find a test where they stated Kumho said they were looking to improve the tyre and had certainly done the job. Whether it was the same one I can't say. 

In particular they seemed to suggest it had good handling feedback which attracted me. The Hankook seems to be what is actually getting used, I can't find anyone with a 2 on the kumho. 

Quote from: Iain on July 13, 2021, 07:09

Quote from: Zspeed on July 12, 2021, 22:32In case it is of use to anyone Michelin have confirmed the Pilot Sport 3 will shortly be finishing.

As a result im considering going with so yoko ad08rs for summer and getting some seperate winter tyres.

I have 4 spare 15 x 6j standard wheels at the moment, can anyone comment on whether it would be a good idea to use these as a square set with some winter tyres for uk use from nov-feb with some suitable all weather tyres, or should i get some more for a staggered setup if i go down this route?  Need to be safe as its my daily and we do seem to get a right mix of weather the last few years


Thanks

Always a good idea to keep some stagger, its how the car was designed to be so its the safest way forward.

The conti premium contact was on my short list if you're looking up that end of the table, be a close or even a match to the PS3s.

@1979scotte Do we know anyone who has actually fitted the new RS yet? I struggle to believe its as bad as the rep it seems to be getting.

I've driven car with them on.
@Topdownman has them and others.
They're not as good as they were and are now no longer worth the premium. IMHO.

Quote from: Zspeed on July 13, 2021, 13:12Yes, it came up a few times, and I found some user reviews who seemed to be talking reasonable detail rather than the usual 'fantastic!' Comments.  I did find a test where they stated Kumho said they were looking to improve the tyre and had certainly done the job. Whether it was the same one I can't say. 

In particular they seemed to suggest it had good handling feedback which attracted me. The Hankook seems to be what is actually getting used, I can't find anyone with a 2 on the kumho. 

Quite probably the same test I'd seen.  I don't go by individual punters opinions, unless as in this forum, where there was broad agreement about the AD08.

When tyres are mentioned on the f/book groups, there is a growing number that have bought the K125, as you say.

Quote from: The Other Stu on July 13, 2021, 08:34I think you'll find many with the RS don't daily it though, and having had a big spin a couple of years back, I wouldn't trust something that's not good in the moist.

I'm running Rainsports for safety (as you mentioned above), however, my latest car has NS20s on and I'm rather impressed with them. They're not as wibbly wobbly sidewalls. I'm not convinced that they'll be great in the wet though.

It's hard to tell at the moment though, because my steering is a little "loose" (I'm just sorting the steering at the moment).

If you look further up this thread @shnazzle mentions the drive back from Ding Day in the torrential rain and I can only say that the NS-20 were fantastic. Never caused me any problems or worry, just kept going and doing what they should, even when Patrick had to slow down.

Quote from: tricky1138 on July 13, 2021, 16:03

Quote from: The Other Stu on July 13, 2021, 08:34I think you'll find many with the RS don't daily it though, and having had a big spin a couple of years back, I wouldn't trust something that's not good in the moist.

I'm running Rainsports for safety (as you mentioned above), however, my latest car has NS20s on and I'm rather impressed with them. They're not as wibbly wobbly sidewalls. I'm not convinced that they'll be great in the wet though.

It's hard to tell at the moment though, because my steering is a little "loose" (I'm just sorting the steering at the moment).

If you look further up this thread @shnazzle mentions the drive back from Ding Day in the torrential rain and I can only say that the NS-20 were fantastic. Never caused me any problems or worry, just kept going and doing what they should, even when Patrick had to slow down.

Trust Pat to buy the only 4wd that can't handle the bad weather.

Quote from: tricky1138 on July 13, 2021, 16:03

Quote from: The Other Stu on July 13, 2021, 08:34I think you'll find many with the RS don't daily it though, and having had a big spin a couple of years back, I wouldn't trust something that's not good in the moist.

I'm running Rainsports for safety (as you mentioned above), however, my latest car has NS20s on and I'm rather impressed with them. They're not as wibbly wobbly sidewalls. I'm not convinced that they'll be great in the wet though.

It's hard to tell at the moment though, because my steering is a little "loose" (I'm just sorting the steering at the moment).

If you look further up this thread @shnazzle mentions the drive back from Ding Day in the torrential rain and I can only say that the NS-20 were fantastic. Never caused me any problems or worry, just kept going and doing what they should, even when Patrick had to slow down.

I thought I had seen them mentioned.
This has become "the other tyre-thread"

I went from AD08r to AD08rs. They are not as good. Its no secret that they changed the compound to make them more eco friendly which has, in my opinion, taken away the sole reason you buy them. Not sure if they did this to all their range but they really shot themselves in the foot by doing it to a performance tyre. Particularly when the r was as good as it was.

The rs tyres will lose traction and squeal on a modest start, something the r tyres never did. The feel of the rubber surface is just not as sticky when you run your hand over it. I dont have as much confidence in the rs and wont be buying them again and am on the look out for replacements.

Anyone running the Zestino Gredge 07rs?

Quote from: 1979scotte on July 13, 2021, 16:07

Quote from: tricky1138 on July 13, 2021, 16:03

Quote from: The Other Stu on July 13, 2021, 08:34I think you'll find many with the RS don't daily it though, and having had a big spin a couple of years back, I wouldn't trust something that's not good in the moist.

I'm running Rainsports for safety (as you mentioned above), however, my latest car has NS20s on and I'm rather impressed with them. They're not as wibbly wobbly sidewalls. I'm not convinced that they'll be great in the wet though.

It's hard to tell at the moment though, because my steering is a little "loose" (I'm just sorting the steering at the moment).

If you look further up this thread @shnazzle mentions the drive back from Ding Day in the torrential rain and I can only say that the NS-20 were fantastic. Never caused me any problems or worry, just kept going and doing what they should, even when Patrick had to slow down.

Trust Pat to buy the only 4wd that can't handle the bad weather.

All sorted now   4 new Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymetric 3s in the right size this time and it's like a new car. Handling is miles better. So is braking.

Quote from: Topdownman on July 13, 2021, 16:40I went from AD08r to AD08rs. They are not as good. Its no secret that they changed the compound to make them more eco friendly which has, in my opinion, taken away the sole reason you buy them. Not sure if they did this to all their range but they really shot themselves in the foot by doing it to a performance tyre. Particularly when the r was as good as it was.

The AO52 is still lacking the ´S´.

I don´t get the logic of it either.

I have just done some googling and Yoko had to change the compound to meet a directive so they were forced into the change. That explains them making a "worse" tyre.

Dont know anything about the A052 as it doesnt get talked about but will have a look.

The Gredge tyres seem expensive (£106 plus delivery for 195/15 without fitting) which is pretty steep as I cant find much feedback on them.

Not MR2 related but I'll be running Gredge 07RS on my Golf on track Sunday and Monday. I'll report back on findings vs F1 A5s.

RE: AD08RS, mixed reports indeed. A few regular track dayers (not MR2s) have noticed no measurable difference comparing lap times vs the AD08R, albeit on different days so not directly comparable. But similar weather, temps etc. have resulted in insignificant differences. The most common aggrievance is an increase in tyre squeal but apparently, if you ignore that and work off feel, or just push through, you'll find the grip.

A052 is the tyre of choice for anything other than bone dry/warm. Crazy performance for a 200TW tyre, comparable to many and better than some 100TWs.

Quote from: Topdownman on July 13, 2021, 17:23I have just done some googling and Yoko had to change the compound to meet a directive so they were forced into the change. That explains them making a "worse" tyre.

Dont know anything about the A052 as it doesnt get talked about but will have a look.

The Gredge tyres seem expensive (£106 plus delivery for 195/15 without fitting) which is pretty steep as I cant find much feedback on them.

I have found that sometimes tires get worse with a model change. They will advertise like its an improvement but the reality is worse traction and softer sidewalls to meet plus sizing specs. I got burned a few times because I thought I was getting the latest technology. 

Quote from: Roj on July 13, 2021, 18:14A052 is the tyre of choice for anything other than bone dry/warm. Crazy performance for a 200TW tyre, comparable to many and better than some 100TWs.

Álmost looking forward to my AD08R set wearing down ;-)

This review of the AD052 does sound promising;

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2019-17-inch-Track-Day-Tyre-Test.htm

But the price at Demon tweeks for a 195/50/15 is £157.20 and a 205/50/16 is £205.88!

So double what I would hope to pay!

Ouch!

Ouch indeed!

A bit more googling shows people saying that the A052 comes with 5mm of thread depth compared to 6.8mm on an AD08r so thats not so good either. It does seem to be more focused on the track and so looks like I will have to keep looking.

Quote from: Topdownman on July 14, 2021, 11:35Ouch indeed!

A bit more googling shows people saying that the A052 comes with 5mm of thread depth compared to 6.8mm on an AD08r so thats not so good either. It does seem to be more focused on the track and so looks like I will have to keep looking.

Not really; the ´cold´ braking distance sells them to me.
This and the text both point out that it needs very little heat to perform, which is road written all over them. Same thing the wet surface performance.
If anything I am amazed that under road-like circumstance it beats the AD08R by as much as it does.
Definitely will check prices with the local tyre shop.

Falken Ziex ZE-914 Ecorun all round both sizes £282 fitted. Great tyres wet and dry.

Quote from: luggsonofmyll on September 14, 2021, 16:48Falken Ziex ZE-914 Ecorun all round both sizes £282 fitted. Great tyres wet and dry.

But presumably you are using a non-standard front wheel size?

My apologies. They are Falken ZIEX ZE310 ECORUN. £282 fitted

Front Tyres 185/55/R15 82V XL
Rear  Tyres 215/45/R16 90V XL

XL chosen after a bit of digging and advice from a qualified mechanic.
Protyre's website made he choice for me:

'These (XL) tyres are considered to have greater grip and better traction. Because they are more rigid, they will corner better and maintain stability. They also transmit power from the engine to the road more quickly, which may be an important feature in performance cars. In addition, XL tyres can provide better resistance to the extra load from acceleration and braking, and the centrifugal force from cornering. On the other hand, these tyres are usually slightly noisier than standard load tyres.'

I always drive top down when we are out in the summer so the noise issue is not a problem. But you do need to have the correct tyre pressures.

Well worth spending a bit of time cross referencing standard vs XL tyre pressures.

Might well work out to be the same. But worth checking.

Just remember you need both tables to make the comparison.

In here somewhere.

I'll check that out thank you. I'm have the XL tyres as per handbook pressure 26/32 and handling seems ok to me and I do push it hard at times especially when on a sunny day and the open road brings out the devil in me - within the speed limits of course.
Correct tyre pressures on a Roadster are critical to handling as we all know and any advice anyone has regarding standard vs XL pressures would be most welcome. My Roadster is an original 54 plate with 72,000 miles in flat black plus a hardtop. Best driving experience ever and I've had some beauties in the past, but non of them put a smile on my face like Mr T.