HID conversion

damonlaw88 · May 11, 2007, 01:01

Has anyone done it yet??
I find that the normal bulbs aren't that bulb and i had HID on my previous car.
What are the bulbs in the 04 Mr2?? (facelift)
Damon

Anonymous · May 11, 2007, 14:48

Use the search tool (HID AND Conversion)

should bring up a number of threads discussing the fact that the post 03 bulbs aren't standard H7 fit and provide details of some retailers who can supply suitable kits

Anonymous · May 11, 2007, 18:14

Silverstone performance do a kit!

northernalex · May 11, 2007, 19:59

they are illegal unless you have washers on the outside of the lens cover and they are self levelling..

You will blind everyone anyway no matter what.. Can you tell I don't like them lol s:)

s:)

damonlaw88 · May 13, 2007, 14:23

Quote from: "bossman23780"Silverstone performance do a kit!

Thanks bossman. Gonna get it booked in. Not use to without having HID lol
Damon

Anonymous · May 13, 2007, 14:52

Good one matey! s:)

s:)

But please report back, i stand corrected but i believe you will be the first to have it done through SP! It will be good to know how different and better these are!

damonlaw88 · July 2, 2007, 23:50

Ive got my HID in now. Didn't go to SP. I bought them myself when i went over to Hong Kong and fitted them myself.
Now I can see where im going hehe.

uktotty · July 3, 2007, 08:27

Pics? Any Pics?
Before and after?
Lumens report?

kanujunkie · July 3, 2007, 09:27

does nobody care that these are illeagal on our car?

damonlaw88 · July 3, 2007, 12:08

uktotty - I'll get some pics later tonite if it doesnt rain.
kanujunkie - I know there illegal but i rather be safe on the road seeing where im going. Driving from lincoln to london was really hard as i couldn't see much on the A46 near leicester.

Anonymous · July 3, 2007, 12:30

Damon, whilst I agree with you 100% that they shouldn't be illegal (when converted properly) as you can see better, you may want to bear two things in mind:

1. You won't pass an MOT with them.
2. If you have an accident/cause an accident, your insurance is quite probably null and void.

Hence the reason I'm never going to bother with them.

markiii · July 3, 2007, 13:05

Quote from: "damonlaw88"kanujunkie - I know there illegal but i rather be safe on the road seeing where I'm going.

not safer for teh other poor bastards that now can't see squat when your lights are on

kanujunkie · July 3, 2007, 14:15

Quote from: "markiii"
Quote from: "damonlaw88"kanujunkie - I know there illegal but i rather be safe on the road seeing where I'm going.

not safer for the other poor b****ds that now can't see squat when your lights are on

totally agree Mark, plus they give me an intense headache when they shine at my eyes, this IMHO is a bloody dangerous thing to fit when its not designed to have them fitted and i wish the police would ticket people who do this modification and blind the oncoming traffic

Anonymous · July 3, 2007, 14:22

I have to agree with Markiii, I have been blinded far to often by headlights either badly setup, or far to bright.

I have a friend who had converted headlights in his car. I refused to have him behind me going somewhere since his lights constantly blinded me via the side mirrors. But at least he could see where I was going s:? :? s:?

damonlaw88 · July 3, 2007, 14:29

Markiii - well obvisously the people you know or see on the road that blind you are setted up wrong. Mine's setted up properly and tested. If they weren't i'm sure i would of been flashed at or the police would of stopped me s:P

s:P
Ekona - Strange you said they can't pass M.O.T because in my old car i had HID and they passed. I know a few other people with them and i've passed aswell. As long the lights are adjusted at the right angle it will pass.
Kanujunkie - I know how you feel. I get a headache when a bloody land rovers behind me with there super bright xenon. But i just live with it.

markiii · July 3, 2007, 14:33

you cannot setup HID aftermarket correctly without a complete new reflector assenbly and they have to be self aligning.

Anonymous · July 3, 2007, 15:40

If HID has been installed from the factory then of course it will pass an MOT: However the law has changed/been clarified recently so that aftermarket HID kits can no longer be fitted.

Anonymous · July 3, 2007, 16:17

HIDs have to be housed in a specifically designed projector/reflector and fitted with headlamp washers and self adjusters.

Provided your aftermarket kit does all these things it's legal I believe.
Of course most don't.
I looked long and hard at getting some and very nearly did. In the end I didn't bother.

Thankfully my new car has them standard so it will be interesting to see how much better they are.

Anonymous · July 3, 2007, 16:55

It has been a pet hate of mine for ages these high powered front lights. Glad to see that something has finally been done about it.

When done correctly they are great, but I seem to have come across all the badly fitted ones in the past 3 years.

kanujunkie · July 3, 2007, 17:16

Quote from: "damonlaw88"Mine's setted up properly and tested. If they weren't i'm sure i would of been flashed at or the police would of stopped me s:P s:P

now your speaking from somewhere the sun doesn't shine mate. if you had them installed properly then you'd be complying to this

"2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam."

m http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps m

10 to 1 says you have neither, regardless of wether you've been flashed or not

Anonymous · July 3, 2007, 17:24

And to back up my point that this is not a legal kit:

Quote from: "DfT"December 2006

Aftermarket HID headlamps

In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.

If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:

Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street Telephone: 020 7944 2078
London Fax: 020 7944 2196
SW1P 4DR Email: e mailto:TTS.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk">TTS.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk e

If you have indeed changed the entire headlamp unit for one out of, say, a 350Z, then my apologies.

damonlaw88 · July 3, 2007, 20:41

My My My What have i started. Nearly a bunch of crying babies. At the end of the day. Who gives a [ADMIN] Edited for language [ADMIN] My lights, your problem. My car your problem. Geez calm down. If you don't like it don't read my post then. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
It's a free forum and i'm glad some people have given the thumbs down and thumbs up but it doesn't bother me coz at the end of the day its only an opinion. All i want from this forum is opinions as we all drive the same car and have a good laugh but seems to me some people have negative feelings.
Oh and Kanujunkie - Am i bothered?? I know what i've done with the headlights and i know its right so take your fact and shove it where the sun doesn't shine s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Anonymous · July 3, 2007, 20:52

Quote from: "damonlaw88"My My My What have i started. Nearly a bunch of crying babies. At the end of the day. Who gives a flying F***. My lights, your problem. My car your problem. Geez calm down. If you don't like it don't read my post then. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
It's a free forum and i'm glad some people have given the thumbs down and thumbs up but it doesn't bother me coz at the end of the day its only an opinion.
Oh and Kanujunkie - Am i bothered?? I know what i've done with the headlights and i know its right so take your fact and shove it where the sun doesn't shine s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Your whole attitude is a disgrace, you admit your set up is illegal.
Personally i would like to see your membership of this board canceled.

markiii · July 3, 2007, 20:59

from a personal point of view it seems you are everyones problem.

lets hope your as convinced of yourself when the poor sod coming the other way has a head on with you because your lights mean he can't see.

and from an [ADMIN] point of view, language is moderated outside of the Chit Chat forum, so consider this a gentle warning. Likewise Personal attacks are not allowed so please bear that in mind people. [ADMIN]

kanujunkie · July 3, 2007, 21:20

i would also like to remind the individual that this free forum is here because some of us give up a lot of our free time to run it

Glad Marks given you a warning for that last comment or i'll have done it myself