Top Gear MR2s

Anonymous · December 22, 2003, 13:24

Going back to the original post (not around here that much any more (Boooo......) so have only just cought up..........) I have actually OWNED the Mk1, both T-Bar (slightly less stiff and a little heavier) and the "coupe" and I can catagorically say that the N/A Mk1's were quick, but they are nowhere NEAR as quick as the Mk3. I like both cars (if I could have kept my T.Bar, I would have), but there just isn't any comparison. We are talking 1985 technology (1983 if you talk about Japanese launch dates) compared to 2000 technology. The Mk3 is lighter, more powerful and has the more sophisticated power delivery. It was ALWAYS going to win.........

Still want my old Mk1 back though. Lovely car...........

Anonymous · December 22, 2003, 13:30

good job they didnt put the mk 3 up against the mk.2 turbo , now that would have been embarrising s:oops: :oops: s:oops: Have had bothe the mk 2 NA and turbo and the turbo was like #### of a shovel :-) :-) :-)

Tem · December 22, 2003, 13:40

Quote from: "John Woodward"N/A Mk1's were quick, but they are nowhere NEAR as quick as the Mk3

Used to own one as well...actually had the Mk1&3 together for about a year. Mk3 wins in everything. Then again, like you said, the cars have 20 years inbetween. Mk3 should be better in everything...

But lets say you had £20k to spend on a used Mk1/3 and the remaining cash for tuning it. Now that would make things interesting s8)

s8)

Anonymous · December 22, 2003, 15:06

Quote from: "perry190"turbo and the turbo was like #### of a shovel :-) :-) :-)

I just never seem to be able to get them to put the power down on track. I would prefer my Mk3 anytime to a Mk2 Turbo on track, the Mk3 handles its power so well. Just try telling that to a Max Puppet reader. s:roll: :roll: s:roll:

Anonymous · December 22, 2003, 15:07

Quote from: "John Woodward"Still want my old Mk1 back though. Lovely car...........

I had 3, and put one on its roof on track. If I had to pick the Mk3 or Mk1 engine i'd be hard pressed, they had great engines! s:)

s:)

Anonymous · December 22, 2003, 17:30

Yeah, agreed. The Mk1 engine was lovely and revved until it exploded!!! It was great! Even higher than the Mk3. 7800rpm if I remember right and no rev limiter, so on short bursts, maybe 8000!!!! Great engine...........

Anonymous · December 22, 2003, 19:03

Anybody have a .mpg of the show? Since I'm in the states we don't get BBC/Top Gear. I love the show along with 5th Gear, but I only see what get's posted up over at RacingFlix.com.

Anonymous · December 22, 2003, 19:27

You MUST be our furthest member then - cool!

Tem · December 23, 2003, 08:18

Quote from: "John Woodward"Mk1 engine was lovely and revved until it exploded!!! It was great! Even higher than the Mk3. 7800rpm if I remember right and no rev limiter

It had a rev limiter. I don't remember where it was originally, cause I had a tuned ECU with a higher limit s8)

s8)

Anonymous · December 23, 2003, 12:07

I've got a Mk1 I've had from new and a Mk3. The Mk1 seems much better built and the engine sounds wonderful in comparison to the later model. Back in the late 80's it was as quick around the track as a Ferrari 308. Wonder if we will look back at the Mk3 with the same affection.

p.s. I've had a TT too and anyone who says it is a golf in drag hasn't owned or driven one. A well driven TT would make mincemeat of an MR2.

Don't pay any attention to the prats on Top Gear....the new Stig isn't any where as near as good a driver as the old one, who just happened to drive for Audi at Le Mans and uses a TT as his everyday car.

Anonymous · December 23, 2003, 12:18

Quote from: "Teucer2000"p.s. I've had a TT too and anyone who says it is a golf in drag hasn't owned or driven one. A well driven TT would make mincemeat of an MR2.

Sorry dude, I drove one for two weeks (225) and the only thing I liked about it was the engine (which can put out 300bhp easy, but I could buy a S3 if I wanted that and not look like a poser). I've also driven on and agasint one on track. The TT is a Golf down to its boots. Even its AWD system was compromised by the shape and design of its body, which is why it is out handled by other Audi's. Top Gear sumed it up when JC was laughing as it only just made it around a bend without hitting the turf.

In a line yes, it would eat a MR2 and maybe on a long, streched track but thats not why i'm here and on roads like this -

We eat them alive.

Anonymous · December 23, 2003, 13:53

Agreed on the TT. I had one for a week and also "raced" one at Brands atch and I don't think I have ever driven a car that has sucha "numbness" about it. I found it VERY difficult to find its limits safely as there was just no feedback from the car. Yeah, its limits were undoubtedly high (in the right circumstances and driven correctly), but getting there was like driving in the dark.

Looks nice, nasty to drive in my opinion. And I would struggle to see how the TT would beat the 2 on the windies to be honest, mainly cos the 2 gives you so much more info. Its limits may be lower, but you can reach them so much more readily............

[/b]Teucer2000 wrote:[/b]

QuoteI've got a Mk1 I've had from new and a Mk3. The Mk1 seems much better built and the engine sounds wonderful in comparison to the later model. Back in the late 80's it was as quick around the track as a Ferrari 308. Wonder if we will look back at the Mk3 with the same affection.

To a point I would agree. The Mk1 was built from granite (cliche, I know, but correct all the same........) and I can see the interior and the structure of the car on my old Mk1 (which I still see as I know the guy who I sold it to) still going in about 5-10 years. Not sure the Mk3 would stand up to that. The engine on the Mk3 is a cracking engine, but would agree on the sound. The old Mk1 engine sounded like a proper little racer and was fab!!! The Mk1 would still give most modern GTi's a run for their money around a track (and so would the Corrolla GTi on which it was based. Horrid to look at, unsung hero when it came to the hot hatch stakes.........)

Anonymous · December 23, 2003, 15:49

The steering does feel dead dosnt it. I'd take a Boxster if I wanted something with that power, but then i'd be looking at a NSX if I wanted a Boxster... *runs to find Autotrader...

Anonymous · December 23, 2003, 21:11

oh dear he off on one now s:roll: :roll: s:roll:

heathstimpson · December 24, 2003, 09:09

Quote from: "WoodenDummy"The steering does feel dead dosnt it. I'd take a Boxster if I wanted something with that power, but then i'd be looking at a NSX if I wanted a Boxster... *runs to find Autotrader...

Totally agree; NSX's are bloody good value second hand as well.

Anonymous · December 28, 2003, 20:56

I'm just so used to low running costs on the MR2 I don't know if I want to get a NSX and up the costs. I should stop being a chimp and just get one really.

Slacey · December 29, 2003, 08:24

Quote from: "WoodenDummy"I'm just so used to low running costs on the MR2 I don't know if I want to get a NSX and up the costs. I should stop being a chimp and just get one really.

Did you see last nights Top Gear with the NSX Type-R... *drool*

They loved the car but said it was too fussy and over engineered - drove like a dream though, and they panned the fact it was 70k s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

I'd still buy one though if I had the cash s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

filcee · December 29, 2003, 10:28

They are nice. I remember trying to blag a sit in one at a dealers when they first came out. No dice s:(

s:(

There was one in Avonvale Stratford when I was looking at S2ks. Second hand, but still over 40k though.

Anonymous · December 29, 2003, 10:39

And there is the problem. Too expensive. If I had that sort of money there are lots and lots of other cars I think I'd probably rather have.

Anonymous · December 29, 2003, 10:46

back on topic.....

has anyone streamed that video yet?

Anonymous · December 29, 2003, 10:48

It'll be in the post to Aaron today, 1st class. I don't have the technology to stream it.

Anonymous · December 29, 2003, 12:19

If you know where and what to look for you can get them for about 20k. Also I know where I can get RX-7s with new radiators and re-built engines etc for 10k.

aaronjb · December 30, 2003, 20:02

Quote from: "phil4"It'll be in the post to Aaron today, 1st class. I don't have the technology to stream it.

And it's arrived too.. I'm only here for one night though before I disappear off again until the 5th, so it won't get done until the new year.. But I'll do it as soon as I get back s:)

s:)

Aaron

Anonymous · December 30, 2003, 20:06

Wow.. the post worked. Amazing.

Chris · January 1, 2004, 23:45

Out of my chrimble hole now and catching up on posts... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:

Quote from: "Parslad"Pretty straightforward win for the Roadster against the heavily criticised mark one (for it's looks more than anything else)

Cannot remember all the other four head to heads, but the Escort Cosworth destroyed the RS Focus!

I'm sure something was up with that start - I'm shocked that the escort cossie is that much faster - it just took off like it had caught it's exhasut in a mouse trap!!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

The only other race i can remember was a mk1 golf gti against a mk5 (obvious result), a leon cupra?, and boxster v 911 i think? roll on that vid... anyway the old cars had it 3-2.

edit: Ok, just seen the other fifth gear post in chit-chat... s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:oops: :oops: s:oops: