The Future of the UK MR2 Community IMPORTANT PLEASE READ

Anonymous · August 27, 2004, 23:48

My feelings towards this are pretty much the same as everyone elses, so I don't have a great deal to add on this matter.

I will say, however, that this is a fantastic place to come and chat with Mk3 owners: whether it be for technical advice, the odd bargain GB, or just to talk rubbish about whats on telly tonight. Anything that could possibly upset the great community spirit that has been built up here can only be a bad thing IMHO.

I personally don't agree with paying for membership of a car club: I'd much prefer to 'chip in' with money as and when needed, rather than being forced to pay regardless of monies needed to keep the club afloat. At least this way, we know that the Committee members aren't trying to screw us by getting as much money as possible and then spending as little of it as possible. I'm not saying that that happens in DC, but the way this club is run it can't happen. For a start, most of us know where other people live... s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

So, in short, I'm very much against the idea. There are numerous MR2 clubs for a reason: not everybody wants the same thing.

Anonymous · August 27, 2004, 23:50

I'd echo pretty much what you've all said...

I've never owned a MK1 or 2, and have no intention or interest in doing so. I stumbled across MR2ROC and consider myself lucky to have happened across such a friendly, helpful knowledgeable bunch of people. I'm not a member of any of the others and whilst I'm too new to it all to know about the "history" that's been alluded to, I'm starting to get the idea and having rummaged around some of the other sites I'd be really disappointed if we went the same way. s:cry: :cry: s:cry:

It's the "R" in ROC that attracts me - I have a roadster, not one of the other marques, and no disrespect to them - but they hold no interest for me whatsoever. I've only been to a few of our meets but have enjoyed the opportunity to crawl over other roadsters and check out their mods and stuff - I just am not interested in doing the same on the other 2 versions. Having said that , as someone's already said - there's no reason why each club couldn't have a co-ordinator that could organise something big for deserving occassions?

I'm not against paying some sort of fee if it meant we could keep going in the current format, but as already stated, money can be raised through donations as and when required as we've already seen. But I certainly wouldn't want to pay a membership fee to receive a magazine and fund company cars etc - I'd rather opt out altogther.

thank you for listening s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

mrsmr2 · August 28, 2004, 15:06

I've had my 2 for 4 months and before that I spent 2 years reviewing forums and websites for MR2 information.

This forum (and the Groups predecessor) is the only site I use/used on a regular basis. The DC forum was almost devoid of MK3 information.

I have a standard 2 and I'm not planning any modifications. The DIG quote was terrible (over double what I'm currently paying). Therefore, there is no benefit to me paying for membership to a group whose benefits I would not use.

If it is a question of finance for mr2oc running this forum, and the fundraisers do not raise enough, then I can understand a merger and a fee.

But if oc are self sufficient then, for me, I want things to stay as they are.

markiii · August 28, 2004, 16:27

minor point but we are ROC, OC is teh otehr bunch s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Anonymous · August 28, 2004, 17:11

I may only be a relatively new member here, but I agree with the general concensus so far - that there's no real advantage in joining/merging the clubs.

My parents are members of the DC (as they own a Mk2) and I used to be when I owned my Mk1. I only really joined for the insurance, however my parents regularly go to the local meets (they're in their fifties); which I think reflects what the DC really stands for - more of a social meet. I used to post on the DC site, however did find it very frustrating sometimes that the posts where purely technical.

I, like others on here, have progressed from owning a Mk1 to (almost! s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: ) owning a Roadster and feel that this communtity far better suits my current requirements than any of the other clubs do s8)

s8)

mrsmr2 · August 28, 2004, 20:53

Quote from: "markiii"minor point but we are ROC, OC is the otehr bunch s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

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It's getting like Life of Brian here, "People's front of Judea", "Judean People's Front", etc... s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

kanujunkie · August 30, 2004, 19:18

have to agree with a lot of people in that i cannot see it working, the 3 types are too different and you would end up with total confusion, i like ROC as it has that friendly feel to it that comes with a smaller club, you go to meets and are able to chat by name with a few faces that you recognise from before. How the hell are you going to remember 5,000+ faces or are there going to be as someone else mentioned, little splinter groups as as happened in America to Spyderchat.

LONG LIVE MR2ROC!!!!!! s:D

s:D

Bongo · August 30, 2004, 19:27

I await the detailed proposals with interest but i can't really see them offering up much to make it worthwhile.

Anonymous · August 31, 2004, 14:28

I'd really rather leave as is. I joined the DC expecting to get something useful but in the end found it far too 1+2 oriented and the DIG insurance quote wasn't competitive. Other forums don't seem to have the same atmosphere as this one, which I like very much. I think the ROC could only lose by association with the other clubs. IMO!

markiii · August 31, 2004, 15:06

Ladies and Gents, thanks for teh feedback, so far keep it coming.

just for teh record though the UK clubs currently consist of

MR2ROC ---- US

MR2DC --- MR2 Drivers Club (Have the association with DIG
MR2OC --- MR2 Owners Club
IMOC ---- International MR2 Owners Club (UK Division)
MK1 Register --- MR2 MK1 Owners Club

Anonymous · August 31, 2004, 15:30

Well to my mind, as other people have said - if there's benefit in belonging to a larger club then its worth it. I'm talking free stuff, cheap stuff etc etc.

There's power in numbers,

I don't think necessarily it will alter the dynamics of the club anyway, I'd see it as a member state of a larger commonwealth. You get the benefit of having thousands of members, but never have to talk about a Mk1 (if you don't want to).

Anonymous · August 31, 2004, 16:08

We fear change - sorry Wayne's World moment.

Seriously. I'd rather stay Mk3 only. I know there maybe other benefits of joining with the others but I think we would be disadvantaged in other ways.

Mk1 and 2 owners don't aknowledge me at all - they are seen as different cars.

Anonymous · August 31, 2004, 20:53

just to add my 2 penneth worth!

we have a lovely website here, and the forum COULD NOT be any better. this club is PERFECT as it is.
when i log on to the site and go straight to the forums, there's just that cosy feeling with everybody being so nice, which is what makes this club so fantastic.

i fear that change may disturb things a little. I have never ever visited the IMOC or MR2OC or what ever they're called (in fact i dont even know the web address) as i have no interst in the ealier mk's what so ever.

this is the first time i have actually been a 'regular' posting member to a car club as the previous cars i have owned haven't had half the club this one has

*raises glass*

To MR2-ROC!

s:)

s:)

kanujunkie · September 1, 2004, 09:26

Here Here!

To MR2ROC, long may she live and all who sail in her!!? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Peter Wright · September 5, 2004, 11:51

Poll Results from MR2OC
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heathstimpson · September 5, 2004, 16:13

Quote from: "Peter Wright"Poll Results from MR2OC
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Looks similar to our feedback

Anonymous · September 17, 2004, 14:31

I tend to agree with a lot of what has gone before. I feel that the 'Roadster' owners should keep their identity. I could see a useful move being to have three specialist areas for the three marks. The mr2roc would then be THE Mk3 site and the others wouldn't be cluttered with Mk 3 info

Slacey · September 17, 2004, 15:55

In way of an update, I have had an email from the DC thanking us for our offer to attend talks - unfortunately though, we were the only club who were prepared to even talk about the proposals it seems, so this has pretty much killed the idea off I would have thought.
If anything changes, or the DC rethink the way thay want to go forward, then we shall look again at the possibilites. If I hear anything further I will let you all know.

Anonymous · September 20, 2004, 15:09

I was just about to comment that I'm not in favour of a "group" club, but the last post (by slacey) may make my thoughts academic . At least ROC representatives were prepared to attend the meeting.

I resigned from MR2DC, because the membership fee of £28 wasn't worth just being able to access the forum and see technical posts for Mk1s and Mk2s. I asked a question on the DC forum about tyre choice in the MK3 section and didn't get a single response. Also, part of my subscription was helping to lease a car for KK. I believe most DC members weren't happy with that, but had to accept it as part of the cost of getting "cheaper" insurance. If DC do have a membership of 2,000 that's an income of nearly £60,000pa. Our Committee and a large proportion of the membership contribute in some way or other to enhance the benefits of "Our Club". We are not running a business needing to employ people and engage the services of Accountants, Solicitors etc etc.

I've had the Roadster for nearly four and a half years, so I doubt very much that I could contribute anything on a technical matter in respect of the 1s and 2s although I had a total of 6. I would imagine that a similar thing would apply in reverse. What would any other driver know about our cars?

As Comer said "If it ain't broke don't fix it"

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Anonymous · September 20, 2004, 17:17

Well, I feel boring just echoing what everyone else is saying but I may as well give my thoughts on the matter - especially if they could count toward a decision going one way or another. STAND AND BE COUNTED!

Keep MR2ROC as it is. That's pretty much my view in a nutshell. Why? because like many others here, I'm not interested in MK1/2 apart from I think they're cool cars. I don't own one though so I don't want to read about them.
I like the spirit in this club - it's really friendly. So friendly I'm thinking of arranging a meet at my place in the near future and I've only ever met some of you briefly at JAE! s:D

s:D You're a bloody nice bunch.
I'd be happy to pay for membership but would like to see some real benefits in doing so. GB's are good here but some more generic deals like insurance offers or similar incentives would be nice. A magazine would also be good! With some of the owners cars featured? or even just the owners? We're all nosey b*stards who want to know more about each others lives I'm sure! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

I've said enough anyway - I could rant for ages but won't. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Or modify it too much!

MR2ROC 4EVA!!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: (IMHO)

Anonymous · September 20, 2004, 22:49

The need to say something
Im not the greatest member to post as you all can see due to the fact that my spelling isnt the best and my keyboad skills are just as bad.
But ive owned a mk2 and was a member of the DC club i didnt mind paying a membership, but with all the event We did go on not one made me and my partner fill very welcome it did make me fill like we were just
makeing up the numbers. it did some time seam like we were on a school outing, anyway that was a long time ago and now ive got a mk3 and long since bean a member of any car club. when i found this club i must say it is all you could ask from a club with the topicks that is coverd, alway get some kind of help when asked and when Liesl and i whent to JAE this year
it was great we were made welcome and found it easy to chat to over members and not just about cars. So job well done i think keep like minded people together cos im not to sure that mk2 and mk1 owners arnt realy intrested in the mk3.
As for the DC club i dont like there attitude they seam very clickey,
ive bean on a cupple of runes that were alganised by the mk1 club and imco were thay have invited any club member along which wernt bad
but last year there was a run to France that we were aksed to go along to
which we all meet up at the euro tunnel, when we got there i soon found out it was a DC club run and was aked if i was a club member which i anwserd no, a bit of a silace and was then told oh i dont think the other member will aprove of this to which i said it didnt seam to matter that you wernt member of the other club event that most of them went along to 2-3 week prior with that she stomped of, and being one of 3 mk3 there i found most of the mk2 owners proseded in telling me what they didnt like about the mk3, what a great day not.

So ROC is the club for me, may be there should be a poll set up to see what people think.
sorry about the spelling and the grammer s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

Darth Paul · September 21, 2004, 09:21

Maxum – well said.

Anonymous · September 21, 2004, 10:04

Nice one Maxum, spelling may not be 100% but the message is.

Emma said for me to put a post on from her! I can post two opinions as I represent a partnership!!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Anyway - she wants ROC to stay as it is. There's another "Aye" for MR2ROC!

Cheers all - Jono (& Emma)

roger · September 21, 2004, 19:58

Thought you would like to see what IMOC is thinking:-

Hi all,

Basically our poll on the MR2DC offer was concluded to the effect
that we should co-operate more with other clubs on organising events,
but keep a separate identity. I'm not going to say 'watch this
space' as it's just irritating when then nothing happens :¬) But
MR2OC peeps have already been in touch with us about this so
hopefully this will develop more in the future where we will have a
joint events 'page' as it were.

This 'separate identity' of IMOC is something that requires a bit
more investigation. For some weeks now we've been devising a poll to
end all polls :¬) Basically all that we can think to ask regarding
IMOC and what we want to do with it and where we want to go with it.
Thats all of us, not just any current 'admins'. I'm not saying it'll
be the last thing we'll ever ask you, or that we've thought of
everything any of you think should be asked - but it's a start and
will fashion the intermediate future of IMOC.

This poll is on the IMOC site rather than in Yahoogroups, to allow
access to our web users who are not registered on the list. The URL
is here:
m http://www.imoc.co.uk/poll/survey.asp m

Please take a moment to vote, if IMOC is to continue in any form at
all then basically we have to have enough people wanting that to
happen. Please also take a moment to thank Aidy who has spent a
considerable amount of time and effort in organising the coding etc.
of the poll which has taken some time to sort. Note you have to be
an existing member on the IMOC site to vote.

We look forward to your answers. Any questions or anything that
isn't clear please do not hesitate to let us know at imoc-uk-
e mailto:admin@yahoogroups.com">admin@yahoogroups.com e

Regards
Toni
imoc-uk-admin

Anonymous · September 21, 2004, 20:38

I would tend to agree with the IMOC

Quotethat we should co-operate more with other clubs on organising events,
but keep a separate identity

That may work well, may be a Mr2 all clubs get to gether along the line of JAE once a year but with each club haveing some input to keep it fair.

The MK1 club with its open invite to all clubs like the Brighton run and the kentish run held for the last 2 years are fun to go along to

The Future of the UK MR2 Community IMPORTANT PLEASE READ

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