tte turbo differences vs sp240

wotugonado · May 26, 2016, 23:21

So following on from my interest in an emanage blue in the sales section, I am wondering what parts are required to turn a tte turbo kit into an sp240. Like what ecu it uses, injector size/make etc
All help appreciated

Anonymous · May 27, 2016, 06:45

You and Scott should have a meet and compare.

s12vea · May 27, 2016, 06:47

Induction kit
330cc injectors (maybe bigger)
Boost controller
Unichip piggyback ecu

Remap

shnazzle · May 27, 2016, 07:02

I thought it was 440cc injectors? There's also a 3rd unichip, an injector override or something.

Oh and 200 cell cat

ChrisGB · May 27, 2016, 07:23

It's the intercooler the same?

AmeR · May 27, 2016, 08:23

Quote from: "ChrisGB"It's the intercooler the same?

I thought they had a slightly larger intercooler. Where's Matt when you need him!? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Wabbitkilla · May 27, 2016, 09:02

e-Manage would be a good substitute for the Unichip.

shnazzle · May 27, 2016, 09:27

Ultimate I assume Nic. We just had this discussion didn't we? Can't think of where. But basically people were using an input not intended for boost control to manage boost.

shnazzle · May 27, 2016, 09:30

Quote from: "AmeR"
Quote from: "ChrisGB"It's the intercooler the same?

I thought they had a slightly larger intercooler. Where's Matt when you need him!? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Matt told me it's the same. He did sell one with a slightly larger core... So you could have that...

Wabbitkilla · May 27, 2016, 09:54

e-Manage Blue or Ultimate .... the Unichip does pretty much the same thing.
Ultimate allows you to attach a map easily and map more accurately.
Ultimate gives you more options than the Blue obviously.

shnazzle · May 27, 2016, 09:57

m http://www.supraforums.com.au/forum/top ... t-control/ m

For your reading pleasure.

So yes, tweaked correctly the emanages can function as a very good boost controller. I don't think it's DIY though unless you fully understand the mapping. Although, the additional injector map table is quite small. So, little margin for error unless you go on stupid. And then if the solenoid/map fails, there's always the actual mechanical wastegate to prevent you blowing up your turbo as it's plumbed in to pass boost to the wastegate when the solenoid is "off".

EDIT: Clarified slightly as Nic made me aware it sounded like I was saying the mechanical wastegate will save you from your mapping failures s:)

s:)

1979scotte · May 27, 2016, 14:09

Uses more boost obviously
440cc injectors
Same intercooler i think
Cone filter induction
Unichip but insert your piggy back of choice.

I would sell the tte and go custom.
You can have a go in mine anytime.

wotugonado · May 27, 2016, 21:38

First chance I've had a to check this today, thanks for the replies/links.
So hardware wise they're not to far away, looks like the Money would be spent on the ecu and remapping.
Completely no idea what a map would cost, any ideas?
I've read a few posts comparing the 2 versions, with some saying theres not a massive difference, so anyone with experience of both care to give an opinion on whether it would be worth the expense ?

wotugonado · May 27, 2016, 21:44

Quote from: "1979scotte"You can have a go in mine anytime.

Fatal plan my friend, once I've had a go I will need it regardless of cost, this is exactly how I ended up with a turbo after being completely happy with it when it was NA s:D

s:D

Anonymous · May 27, 2016, 22:14

Quote from: "wotugonado"
Quote from: "1979scotte"You can have a go in mine anytime.

Fatal plan my friend, once I've had a go I will need it regardless of cost, this is exactly how I ended up with a turbo after being completely happy with it when it was NA s:D s:D

Only fatal if you can't work three jobs and have to stick to the current two.

Ardent · May 27, 2016, 23:10

Quote from: "wotugonado"First chance I've had a to check this today, thanks for the replies/links.
So hardware wise they're not to far away, looks like the Money would be spent on the ecu and remapping.
Completely no idea what a map would cost, any ideas?
I've read a few posts comparing the 2 versions, with some saying theres not a massive difference, so anyone with experience of both care to give an opinion on whether it would be worth the expense ?

With a bit of digging in the search facility
You should be able to find a post from stargazzer. Very good write giving the feel and flavour of the two options you mention plus a third.

ChrisGB · May 27, 2016, 23:27

I've run Matt's high output kit, an evolution of the SP240 kit. With the boost controller disconnected, it ran standard wastegate boost, probably around 180bhp and similar torque. This would be similar to the TTE kits output. With boost controller on, output rises about 50bhp and 50lb/ft. The difference is not even slightly subtle, on the low output the car feels a bit faster than NA. The difference with the higher boost is really noticeable, a bigger step than N/A to TTE.

Don't have a go in one, it will ruin your bank account.

wotugonado · May 27, 2016, 23:30

Quote from: "rbuckingham"Only fatal if you can't work three jobs and have to stick to the current two.

Lol that made me chuckle, i don't won't the 2 jobs I've got let alone another one s:D

s:D

wotugonado · May 28, 2016, 00:22

Cheers Ardent, I did some more looking on here and there is some good write ups about these systems.

Chris, worth the additional costs? Sure sounds it s:)

s:)

shnazzle · May 28, 2016, 06:44

200 cel cat, 250
440cc injectors, 300
Intake, 100
Boost control solenoid, 60
Tuning, 100 per hour for 4-5hrs, 450ish
Pipes etc, 50

That alone comes to 1210.
What clutch are you running? That may need upgrading. And labour if you're not doing it yourself.
Also does not include whatever piggyback solution you'd go for. So, definitely looking at around 1500 assuming some 2nd hand parts.

ChrisGB · May 28, 2016, 07:31

Quote from: "wotugonado"Cheers Ardent, I did some more looking on here and there is some good write ups about these systems.

Chris, worth the additional costs? Sure sounds it s:) s:)

For me, definitely worth the cost. It's a lot of money to put into a car that is not worth a huge amount. Looked at that way, it doesn't make sense. Look at it in terms of smiles per pound though, there's little else around that will give you that much fun at sensible cost.

wotugonado · May 28, 2016, 19:20

Well I'm in it for the long haul barring a lottery win or even in spite of a lottery win s:)

s:) so I will keep an eye out for parts as they become available.
I already have a 200 cel cat which just needs new flexis, so first step is to get that repaired and put a o2 bung in it ready for an afr gauge.

1979scotte · May 31, 2016, 20:16

Quote from: "ChrisGB"I've run Matt's high output kit, an evolution of the SP240 kit. With the boost controller disconnected, it ran standard wastegate boost, probably around 180bhp and similar torque. This would be similar to the TTE kits output. With boost controller on, output rises about 50bhp and 50lb/ft. The difference is not even slightly subtle, on the low output the car feels a bit faster than NA. The difference with the higher boost is really noticeable, a bigger step than N/A to TTE.

Don't have a go in one, it will ruin your bank account.

So true.