PFL Turbo - Tuned By Gibbons

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Essex2Visuvesi

September 30, 2016, 00:43 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
So I have one of these:-


A great car and is good fun but could do with a bit more oomph
1st idea was to fit one of these

But finding a suitable gearbox proved to be a fruitless exercise so I started thinking about a V6 swap.

Then this turned up on ebay

 m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182275138565 m
Some beverage tokens changed hands and its now in my shed  s:) :) s:)

The manifold shows signs of a previous repairs by untrained marmosets


this has been handed to my tame fabricator who will either repair or make a new one.

The turbo has been tested and spins up nicely on compressed air with no leaks. No play in the shaft either.

The turbo is missing the actuator, but I have managed to source a replacement.

The kit also comes with an e-manage blue (frustratingly I just sold an Apexi PFC last month   s:evil: :evil: s:evil:  ) but has the cables and software so I'll run with it for now

A beast of a dump valve

Not sure if I'll keep this as I do prefer the sound of wastegate chatter

Also in the package was the wiring loom, boost sensor, some hoses and a few other bits.

I've ordered in a few extra bit to improve reliability.
    Mishimoto Radiator
    Oil cooler kit with auxilary oil pressure and temp gauges
    Boost gauge (tho I did realise that buying a mechanical one was foolish as I'll need to run a pipe through the cabin   s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  )

Further mods will include a barrel type charge cooler to keep the pipework nice and short

Next step will be to do a head leak check, and compression test before I start the fitting process

Anonymous

#1
September 30, 2016, 06:38 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
What's the waste gate setting going to be?

Essex2Visuvesi

#2
September 30, 2016, 11:16 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
0.5 Bar or 7.35Psi from the factory, however it can be changed by changing the sping, so I have also ordered a 0.3 and a 0.8
Will be starting off with a 0.3 and work up from there

This is the Actuator
 m http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/kinug ... ation.aspx m

iower

#3
September 30, 2016, 11:41 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
So no need for a boost controller, just run wastegate pressure as dictated by the spring? Sounds like a simple way to do things, as long as you keep an eye on boost with a guage (which you have mentioned)

iower

#4
September 30, 2016, 11:48 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Also, "untrained marmosets" had me sniggering

The Other Stu

#5
September 30, 2016, 12:22 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "iower"Also, "untrained marmosets" had me sniggering
I've seen the state of the repair and I still laughed.
No Longer Here

Anonymous

#6
September 30, 2016, 15:51 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
The .3 should be spot on for what your looking for.

Essex2Visuvesi

#7
October 2, 2016, 15:23 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Head gasket leak test was successful  s:) :) s:)


after 15mins of Idle, no bubbles or colour change   s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:  

The same cannot be said for my Alfa 147  s:( :( s:(  decided to test that as well and it seems I have gas in my coolant   s:evil: :evil: s:evil:

Essex2Visuvesi

#8
October 4, 2016, 23:37 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Parts arriving on a daily Basis  s:) :) s:)

We now have:-

Manifold & Turbo wrap
Reading the articles there seems to be a lot of heat so decided these would be prudent

Oil Cooler Kit
Overkill? perhaps, but better to be safe than sorry and the sandwich plate gives me the feeds for my oil pressure & temp gauges

Apexi Air Filter
Genuine not a copy.  The one in the kit was bent and well loved and I do like the Apexi filters

Braided Oil return line & Hose Finishers
Bit of bling never hurts, and the feed is braided so might as well make them match

New Sump
Makes the fitting of the oil drain easier and the old one will be retained so if it all goes Pete Tong I can go back to N/A

Timing chain tensioner
The seal on mine is leaking a bit so decided to replace the whole thing

Just waiting for the Turbo Manifold to be returned from the fabricator and I can get started

Essex2Visuvesi

#9
October 4, 2016, 23:55 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Oh yes.... and one more thing....
Someone posted on here about Joining the 2 O2 sensors together so both the left and right banks are connected to one sensor, Cant find it tho
I want to do this as the Turbo downpipe has 2 sensor holes and I want to utilise one for a Wideband sensor

Anonymous

#10
October 5, 2016, 00:07 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Need to be linked regardless. You need to link both signal wires, white from memory.

Essex2Visuvesi

#11
October 5, 2016, 00:14 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
So basically I just need to make up a Y adaptor lead with all wires joined

2 sockets to the the loom for Bank A/B and one plug to the O2 sensor?

Anonymous

#12
October 5, 2016, 00:28 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Yep

1979scotte

#13
October 5, 2016, 07:14 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Which sandwich plate mate from where and how much?
Oil cooler is on my list too.
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Essex2Visuvesi

#14
October 5, 2016, 11:11 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "1979scotte"Which sandwich plate mate from where and how much?
Oil cooler is on my list too.
this one:-

 m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152148252270 m

Have to say for the money it looks pretty good
Will be testing parts prior to fitting
Just need to figure out where to fit it

1979scotte

#15
October 5, 2016, 13:16 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Do you think its ok it not being thermostatic?
I supose it just takes it a little longer to warm the oil.
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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
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Essex2Visuvesi

#16
October 5, 2016, 14:04 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I did think about that, and I may well change the sandwich plate to a thermostatic one at a later date.
its quite a small so I'm thinking it should be OK.  Had I gone for a larger one then I would have gone for a thermostatic one, but that then gives a further headache of location.

1979scotte

#17
October 6, 2016, 16:37 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
After thinking about it i will probably go for the exact same cooler but with the thermostatic sandwich plate wasnt much more expensive.

 m http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-Row-Universal ... nav=SEARCH m
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Essex2Visuvesi

#18
October 6, 2016, 17:28 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I looked at that one (or at least a similar one)
I cant recommend one yet as I haven't fitted it so it could leak from every joint lol, but the quality seems there. There are no tool chatter marks on the sandwich plate (often found on cheaper machined parts) and so it looks  like its been through some kind of rudimentary QC.

Essex2Visuvesi

#19
October 6, 2016, 17:28 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Double post

Essex2Visuvesi

#20
October 18, 2016, 14:16 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Picked up a couple of these today from my local motorparts store:-



Only a fiver each so thought a brace of those in the turbo intake and we'll be pushing 400Hp   s:scared: :scared: s:scared:  
Then the creative juices stated flowing, so I apologised to the shopkeeper and left.

Now the slightly more serious bit.
maintaining engine bay temps are a challenge when it comes to turbocharging, moreso when its mid engines, so I got to thinking... extractor fans... run these on a thermostatic switch to extract hot air from the engine bay using some 3" ducting

probably a daft idea but I'm not one to pass up a bargain   s:roll: :roll: s:roll:

Anonymous

#21
October 18, 2016, 16:45 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I would say air in over air out but the idea has merit

Essex2Visuvesi

#22
October 18, 2016, 17:41 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "rbuckingham"I would say air in over air out but the idea has merit

Fair point, I did think that as well

Maybe one sucking air in to the engine bay, and the other blowing air out

1979scotte

#23
October 18, 2016, 17:54 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "Essex2Visuvesi"
Quote from: "rbuckingham"I would say air in over air out but the idea has merit

Fair point, I did think that as well

Maybe one sucking air in to the engine bay, and the other blowing air out

Suck air in via the engine lid vents.
Air flowing under the car sucks it out.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Alex Knight

#24
October 21, 2016, 16:45 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
For the SW20, but food for thought nonetheless:  m https://twosrus.com/catalog/product_inf ... ucts_id=96 m
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