MR2 MK3 FL Track Car

[LeoD]

Just watching all your track Videos there Alan and there is nice progressive improvements to your driving through each video. Well done. 

Brands looks like a fantastic track

Also your car looks so balanced; so if you don't mind I am going to copy all your suspension mods you have so described so well here !!!

Whenever we head to a, new to us track, we do our best to sort out a few laps with somebody with knowledge. Really helps to get the times down.

If not possible, Driver61 on you tube has some great guides to ideal lines and fastest ways around the main circuits.

Anyways, keep up the great work and can't wait for further updates.

[Kaveney]

Many thanks it is getting there

The corrolla and the celica t sport gearbox is the same c64 unit in the UK so will be the same so I think you may be running the longer unit as the c64 did not come with a LSD as you have to re use the one from the mr2 so might be worth looking in to as the shorter box will be much better .

Regards



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_C_transmission

Excellent thread and great to see such quality track focused work!

I have recently done the 2ZZ exchange using a celica and it is good.

However a friend has done the same but using the Corrolla T Sport gearbox and the difference is night and day on track. The shorter gearing on the corrolla box means the car is on cam far more often than I am with the celica box and is approx 6 seconds a lap quicker than me on our local track. I will see can I dig out matching videos and the difference is night and day

[Kaveney]

We are gettin a bit better I think but still very much in the novice ranks .

Brands is great but castle combe is my best so far .

If you want to know anything about the suspension just let me know .

Regards

Just watching all your track Videos there Alan and there is nice progressive improvements to your driving through each video. Well done. 

Brands looks like a fantastic track

Also your car looks so balanced; so if you don't mind I am going to copy all your suspension mods you have so described so well here !!!

Whenever we head to a, new to us track, we do our best to sort out a few laps with somebody with knowledge. Really helps to get the times down.

If not possible, Driver61 on you tube has some great guides to ideal lines and fastest ways around the main circuits.

Anyways, keep up the great work and can't wait for further updates.

[LeoD]

Nice one. Thanks for that. Time to do some study and see can a source a C64 box

[LeoD]

Thanks. When I take the car of the road for winter I might send you a PM for sus advice.

Will try to get to Castle Combe asap so. At Oultan ton Wednesday for the third time and looking forward to it.

[Kaveney]

Castle come is a great track Just don't over do it at camp corner like I did and the have to get new bumpers ,  wing ect

Thanks. When I take the car of the road for winter I might send you a PM for sus advice.

Will try to get to Castle Combe asap so. At Oultan ton Wednesday for the third time and looking forward to it.

[Kaveney]

Have a look atthe below link the c64 and the c60 have the same gears 1-5 and final drive but the c60 from the celica has a longet 6th so this may be the best option with the LSD from the mr2 5 or 6 speed .

Regards



https://wiki.seloc.org/a/Toyota_Gearboxes

Nice one. Thanks for that. Time to do some study and see can a source a C64 box

[LeoD]

Thanks for all that information.

Just bought a C64 box there so will switch it out and see how it goes.

Appreciate the advice.

Can I ask where did you source your steering wheel and boss?

[Kaveney]

Got the OMP wheel from OMP and to MOMO boss from ebay .

Regards

Thanks for all that information.

Just bought a C64 box there so will switch it out and see how it goes.

Appreciate the advice.

Can I ask where did you source your steering wheel and boss?

[Kaveney]

Just had a look through race tracker and found a few picks of us from the Nurburgring .

page_4999942-311884dcc69042748442f5911897563a 3 by Alan Kaveney, on Flickr

page_4995339-5a294bf4023a5e037365e81dc4892400 2 by Alan Kaveney, on Flickr

page_4988436-0f6e15ac400628ba4d6e7517d2f86887 by Alan Kaveney, on Flickr

[Kaveney]

Update time

Just got back from dropping the car off ready for the engine swap and a few other bits at Rogue motorsport .

The old 1ZZ engine is coming out along with the old C63 gear box then having the LSD removed from the old C63 gear box to be used in the new C60 close ratio gear box .

The donna 2ZZ engine and gear box is from a Celica with 62K on it and has been inspected and new lift bolts installed and the rocker cover painted .

The oil pump gears have also been changed for stronger billet units and the flywheel has been changed for a lightweight competition clutch unit .

The final part will be the 4-2-1 custom manifold and 200 cell sports cat .

The new engine ready to go in .


IMG_20181016_102455 by Alan Kaveney, on Flickr



A few of the other cars at Rogue


IMG_20181016_102459 by Alan Kaveney, on Flickr


IMG_20181016_102724 by Alan Kaveney, on Flickr


IMG_20181016_102726 by Alan Kaveney, on Flickr

[Kaveney]

Big update time

I dropped the car off at Rogue motorsport to have an engine swap done so taking out the stock 1ZZ 138 BHP unit and putting in the 2ZZ 190 BHP engine .

For those that don't know Toyota did two ZZ engines a 1ZZ that had 138 BHP and 125 LB/FT 7000K RPM and was more for economy but still a nice revving thing and then the 2ZZ with 190 BHP 135 LB/FT 8200 RPM
That was developed with Yamaha and is a copy of the Honda Vtec system and have the race style cams that come in at a given engine speed and was used in the T sport Celica , Corolla and Lotus Elise and Exige  .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_ZZ_engine#2ZZ-GE


I was also having the close ratio C60 gearbox installed that has shorter gears and final drive and also having the LSD transferred from the stock gear box .

I also got the below bits done as well .

Billet oil pump gears ( the stock oil pump gears are a week point and can fail esp if the car is used on track a lot )

BMC carbon induction and MAF inlet pipe

Transfer of my baffled sump on to the new engine

Competition clutch lightweight flywheel 5.4 Kg

Rogue 4-1 exhaust manifold

Rogue 200 cell sports cat

Geo set up below
Front – 2.5 camber 0.5mm tow out overall
Rear – 2.5 camber 3.0mm tow in overall

Some pics of the engine

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Pic of the induction set up


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Pic of the manifold

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Pic of the 200 cell sports cat

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And the build sheets


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Impressions so far is that then engine is very different from the old 1ZZ even before the 6200 RPM lift change over it is quicker revving and the pickup is a step up from the 1ZZ unit .
At 6200 RPM when lift is engaged the car really picks up and feels much like some of my old Honda units that I have had in my Accord ( H22A ) and the Civic EP3 ( K20 ) and even with the enclosed induction the induction noise is very nice .

A few vids of some pulls but the GO pro was not locked in and the sound is a bit poor but you can get an idea .

https://youtu.be/KSV4ppWPDco

https://youtu.be/si_dKwb-AWg

The car will now be packed away ( bar a few more test drives ) for the winter and taken out again next year for a load of track days .

[JerryL]

What was the cost of this conversion?

[rich_p]

Great conversion! and exactly how i would like mine doing if i ever come to it with the 2zz Gearbox and roadsters LSD. Best of both worlds.
One thing I've often wondered with the 2ZZ is how it behaves mid corner in an MR setup?
I have a celica T sport, and depending on the ground conditions, lift can induce understeer and wheel spin quite easily. I've always imagined you'd need to pay particular attention not to engage lift half way through a bend.

JerryL - SJ autosports advertise the conversion facilitated through Rogue Motorsports on Ebay, seems like you'd need around £4k for a turnkey job.

[Kaveney]

PM me if you want to know costs .

Regards

What was the cost of this conversion?

[Kaveney]

I have not had chance to try this out yet but I think you are correct in the fact that you will need to be aware of the lift point mid corner .

Regards

Great conversion! and exactly how i would like mine doing if i ever come to it with the 2zz Gearbox and roadsters LSD. Best of both worlds.
One thing I've often wondered with the 2ZZ is how it behaves mid corner in an MR setup?
I have a celica T sport, and depending on the ground conditions, lift can induce understeer and wheel spin quite easily. I've always imagined you'd need to pay particular attention not to engage lift half way through a bend.

JerryL - SJ autosports advertise the conversion facilitated through Rogue Motorsports on Ebay, seems like you'd need around £4k for a turnkey job.

[Kaveney]

Small update when the car went in for the engine swap I removed the new O2 sensors and have now installed them in to the new engine but the new set up only uses x 2 one pre cat and one post .


New Denso units


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Old units


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Just looking at the new engine and weight of the car it should now be around 211 BHP per Tonne now .


Next up will be some new lightweight wheels , Nankang AR-1 tyres , new c hook brake discs and Carbotech XP10 pads .


Then later on next year will be the roll cage , bucket seats and harnesses .

[dome]

Great thread. We're going for a budget version of this build. I'll be pulling our 1zz out shortly to crack on with it.

I'm curious about the inlet setup. I was going to do what you used to have with a cone filter in the side vent and routed in front of the battery. What's the reason for yours collecting from the rear?

[Kaveney]

This was the set up that Rogue do so I have just stuck with this .

Regards

Great thread. We're going for a budget version of this build. I'll be pulling our 1zz out shortly to crack on with it.

I'm curious about the inlet setup. I was going to do what you used to have with a cone filter in the side vent and routed in front of the battery. What's the reason for yours collecting from the rear?

[Kaveney]

So after packing the track car up in October last year I got round to doing a few bits and checking the car over ready to get her back on track soon .


First was to change the spark plugs that to be fair were nearly new from the engine swap but as I have them I change them anyway .

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Then as the old MAF sensor was used from the old 1ZZ engine I thought I would get a new fresh one to go along with the new O2 sensors .

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Next up was the E-PSF that I did a quick flush and top up .

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Then was on to change the gear know for a smaller nylon unit .

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Old and new

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Installed

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Then was to put in some fuel system cleaner BG44K as I have used this before and rate this stuff .

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Last of all was to fit the Lotus spark plug cover .

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As the 2ZZ was never used in the MR2 when the conversion is done the coil packs and spark plugs don't have a cover and water and get in so this will be a good little cover and looks nice too .

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Then a quick wash to finish off .

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I still need to change the oil and adjust the hand brake but she seem all good to go so all I need to do know is book some track days and enjoy as this will be the first time the car will be back on the track with the new engine and suspension set up .

[Kaveney]

Another small update in getting the car ready for this year's track season .

I thought it would be a good plan to have a TPMS so I can check pressures and temps but wanted something small that would not get in the way so I have located it at the top of the window .

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Next up will be an engine flush new oil and filter fresh brake fluid then book some track days .

Regards

[KRAMSNEHPETS]

looks good, where you buy it from please

[Kaveney]

Link below .


https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/slredirect/picassoRedirect.html/ref=pa_sp_atf_next_aps_sr_pg2_1?ie=UTF8&adId=A08448241OZ91AP8ESL05&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FFavoto-Pressure-Monitoring-Installed-Real-Time%2Fdp%2FB07D73NL2D%2Fref%3Dsr_1_17_sspa%3Fie%3DUTF8%26qid%3D1548148250%26sr%3D8-17-spons%26keywords%3Dtpms%26psc%3D1&qualifier=1548148250&id=8009375158049796&widgetName=sp_atf_next

looks good, where you buy it from please

[idnan]

Great thread, remember seeing this on Pistonheads forum when you had your fender bender. Looks like a great track prepped roadster now with the 2zz heart.

[Kaveney]

Yes that was camp corner at Castle combe that I had the bump at

Cant wait to get it back on track with the new engine , gear box and geo set up .

Great thread, remember seeing this on Pistonheads forum when you had your fender bender. Looks like a great track prepped roadster now with the 2zz heart.