Blue PFL V8 conversion

8thumpers · February 8, 2018, 08:14

It's not in the correct vertical position but shows how it fits lengthways.

8thumpers · February 8, 2018, 08:15

Driveshaft offset...

StuC · February 8, 2018, 08:40

By eye from the pictures... looks like the end of the box would only just tuck under bumper of the drive shaft had perfect alignment.
Guessing that's about 150mm difference longitudinally?

By the way, thanks for the pictures. [emoji3]

8thumpers · February 8, 2018, 08:45

Quote from: StuC on February 8, 2018, 08:40
By eye from the pictures... looks like the end of the box would only just tuck under bumper of the drive shaft had perfect alignment.
Guessing that's about 150mm difference longitudinally?

By the way, thanks for the pictures. [emoji3]

Yes if I take out the fuel tank and bulkhead it would fit easily..... question is, is it worth the hassle....? A lot of hassle. I'd kind of like to do it without and prove it can be done...then I can make a kit for everyone! Lol

StuC · February 8, 2018, 09:28

Do you know what driveshafts you are using? If so, do you know what their angular capability is. Most can cope with about 5-10 degrees.

If you are within that, there is nothing from stopping you going ahead as is.

My biggest reservation at that point would be susceptibility to damage for the bit sticking out. Unless you put a reversing sensor in the back of the box! ;-)

Only you can answer the question of is it worth the hassle, as it's your hassle.

My 2p... there will be a lot of extra work, BUT you will end up with the bulk of the additional weight will be closer to the centre of the car where it should be & you'll end up with a cleaner OE looking install.

8thumpers · February 8, 2018, 09:52

Quote from: StuC on February 8, 2018, 09:28
Do you know what driveshafts you are using? If so, do you know what their angular capability is. Most can cope with about 5-10 degrees.

If you are within that, there is nothing from stopping you going ahead as is.

My biggest reservation at that point would be susceptibility to damage for the bit sticking out. Unless you put a reversing sensor in the back of the box! ;-)

Only you can answer the question of is it worth the hassle, as it's your hassle.

My 2p... there will be a lot of extra work, BUT you will end up with the bulk of the additional weight will be closer to the centre of the car where it should be & you'll end up with a cleaner OE looking install.

Already considering it.... I'm not fussed about the gearbox exposure... driveshaft angle is a concern though.... I think its just a bit much...

1979scotte · February 8, 2018, 10:28

It would be nice to move the engine and transmission further forward.
Even on the 2gr swaps there is only a small chunk taken out of the rear subframe. All the weight is pretty much still within the wheelbase.

Hope you succeed could be my next project.

shnazzle · February 8, 2018, 13:48

Surely there's another transmission that is 20cm shorter or so.

Edit: guess not haha. By far the shortest

8thumpers · February 8, 2018, 17:11

Quote from: shnazzle on February 8, 2018, 13:48
Surely there's another transmission that is 20cm shorter or so.

Edit: guess not haha. By far the shortest

My lawnmower has a really compact tranny.. .. unsure of V8 capabilities tho..
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8thumpers · February 8, 2018, 17:12

Quote from: 1979scotte on February 8, 2018, 10:28

It would be nice to move the engine and transmission further forward.
Even on the 2gr swaps there is only a small chunk taken out of the rear subframe. All the weight is pretty much still within the wheelbase.

Hope you succeed could be my next project.

Either way the 2 subframe has been junked - I'll be making a tube affair to replace it

jvanzyl · February 9, 2018, 19:14

Out of interest, will you be replacing the timing chains and guides before you put the engine in?

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8thumpers · February 9, 2018, 21:39

Quote from: jvanzyl on February 9, 2018, 19:14
Out of interest, will you be replacing the timing chains and guides before you put the engine in?

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Yes I'll be giving it a full going over including new clutch and water pump too. Seems like a lot of hassle once it's in -
although I think It will be fairly straightforward to drop it out once I have completed the conversion...

jvanzyl · February 9, 2018, 21:45

That's good to hear- there is a general feeling on the forums that the JHM stuff is the way to go..

8thumpers · February 9, 2018, 21:46

So tonight's job was to strip the rear interior to find the friendly bulkhead.
I am going to make the space and get the drive shafts aligned correctly.

I think I'll need about 150mm extra space so there sure isn't an issue with imposing on the oem seat back positions. There is a lot of room there but I will of course lose the cubby storage.

The engine ecu looks fairly independent to the main loom but if anyone has any wiring diagrams that I can have, that would be very much appreciated. TIA [emoji106]

8thumpers · February 9, 2018, 21:56

Oh.. and I found £1.40 And 2 fag lighters under the seat when I removed them!!
Bonus 🤣[emoji23]🤣

StuC · February 9, 2018, 23:54

A Brucey bonus if I ever saw one!

Don't spend it all at once! ;-)

Call the midlife! · February 10, 2018, 06:32

Quote from: 8thumpers on February 9, 2018, 21:46
So tonight's job was to strip the rear interior to find the friendly bulkhead.
I am going to make the space and get the drive shafts aligned correctly.

I think I'll need about 150mm extra space so there sure isn't an issue with imposing on the oem seat back positions. There is a lot of room there but I will of course lose the cubby storage.

The engine ecu looks fairly independent to the main loom but if anyone has any wiring diagrams that I can have, that would be very much appreciated. TIA [emoji106]

Try a google search with a combination of the words testroete, maybe with .com and almost definitely the vehicle manufacturer on the end...

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8thumpers · February 10, 2018, 08:49

Thanks to callthemidlife ...

All the wiring diagrams we need!

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Call the midlife! · February 10, 2018, 10:22

Quote from: 8thumpers on February 10, 2018, 08:49
Thanks to callthemidlife ...

All the wiring diagrams we need!

MOD - sorry that content is copyrighted by Toyota and we can't be seen distributing a link infringing on that copyright. We've been down this road with Toyota before

Apologies, thought I'd been vague enough with the general suggestion.

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8thumpers · February 10, 2018, 14:49

Quote from: Call the midlife! on February 10, 2018, 10:22
Quote from: 8thumpers on February 10, 2018, 08:49
Thanks to callthemidlife ...

All the wiring diagrams we need!

MOD - sorry that content is copyrighted by Toyota and we can't be seen distributing a link infringing on that copyright. We've been down this road with Toyota before
Apologies, thought I'd been vague enough with the general suggestion.

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Ahhh ok! I understand

lamcote · February 11, 2018, 10:01

I was wondering what you are going to do about offsetting the loss of that bulkhead once you have cut a big hole in it?

8thumpers · February 11, 2018, 10:14

Quote from: lamcote on February 11, 2018, 10:01
I was wondering what you are going to do about offsetting the loss of that bulkhead once you have cut a big hole in it?

I'll rebuild it boxed into the cabin a bit. The cross member underneath will have to have a replacement too, to give some lateral strength back. That gives the opportunity to provide a front mount for the engine too.
Fuel tank is going in the frunk.

MR TWO · February 11, 2018, 11:21

What does the new engine & gear box weigh compared to the OEM? My 1MZ weight increase is equivalent to the weight of a child and in a very similar position to the original 1zz so I don't notice any difference in handling due to to weight distribution. I also have the battery in the frunk.

Putting your fuel tank in the frunk should help reduce weight distribution problems - if there are any.

1979scotte · February 11, 2018, 13:52

I suppose you can get crash resistant tanks can you?
Having one in the froot would bother me not sure how much of the front of the car is designed to crush in an accident.

Joesson · February 11, 2018, 14:57

In no particular order, VW Beetle ( original variety), Hillman Imp and various Porsche's have front mounted fuel tank.

I don't recall many/ any of those crashing and burning.
TBH I was surprised that my 2' s fuel tank is where it is. Couldn't find it in the frunk where I thought it would be.