Crunch time. Shnazzle's mr2 part 2

[shnazzle]

I think what he really wants is Mike's car, so if someone could distract mike at the next ding day it would be appreciated

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... Maybe it's not his car I want....

[HereComesTheWife]

I think what he really wants is Mike's car, so if someone could distract mike at the next ding day it would be appreciated

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... Maybe it's not his car I want....

And now you've gone too far

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[lamcote]

Stage 1 is specifically designed for standard ecu etc. MWR are adamant that stage 2 is much better if you have a different ecu. Tuned properly they lose nothing to the stage 1 low down but gain at the top end. You do need stiffer valve springs.

[shnazzle]

I think what he really wants is Mike's car, so if someone could distract mike at the next ding day it would be appreciated

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... Maybe it's not his car I want....

And now you've gone too far

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His watch! I really liked his watch!

Sick people..

[shnazzle]

Stage 1 is specifically designed for standard ecu etc. MWR are adamant that stage 2 is much better if you have a different ecu. Tuned properly they lose nothing to the stage 1 low down but gain at the top end. You do need stiffer valve springs.

Ah OK. So perhaps not worth the effort. Can always be done later

[mikek]

I think what he really wants is Mike's car, so if someone could distract mike at the next ding day it would be appreciated

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... Maybe it's not his car I want....

And now you've gone too far

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Way too far!

[mikek]

I think what he really wants is Mike's car, so if someone could distract mike at the next ding day it would be appreciated

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... Maybe it's not his car I want....

And now you've gone too far

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His watch! I really liked his watch!

Sick people..

I don't wear a watch

[mikek]

Surely if you bought a cheap 2zz and rebuilt it it wouldn't cost much more than rebuilding your 1zz. Plus you wouldn't lose the use of your car?

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but I don't want my car to go missing

[HereComesTheWife]

Poor Mike is having a bad morning, the den Oudstens have hit on him and threatened to steal his car

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[shnazzle]

I think what he really wants is Mike's car, so if someone could distract mike at the next ding day it would be appreciated

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... Maybe it's not his car I want....

And now you've gone too far

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His watch! I really liked his watch!

Sick people..

I don't wear a watch

Maybe it was just your arms I was admiring then.

Anyway.
2zz rebuild is indeed the same cost and the engine is more solid. But for the 1zz I won't need a new exhaust, different cat, ecu, wiring changes, etc etc.

It's all the extra stuff you need for the 2zz that tips the balance. And for about 25ish extra horses...

[1979scotte]

I feel this is a head decision not a heart one.
You want a 2zz and even if you cam and rebuild you'll still want a 2zz.

[dan944]

I feel this is a head decision not a heart one.
You want a 2zz and even if you cam and rebuild you'll still want a 2zz.

I agree...
What if you did the old parts refresh so you get the warm fuzzy feeling that something has changed. Whilst simultaneously acquiring a 2zz and ancillaries over a slightly longer time and like mike said you still have maximum use of the car except in say ...8months? You'll have a nice spec 2zz to drop in with the ancillaries to go with.

[shnazzle]

Nope that's the beauty of it. Helen's first question starter with "what do you WANT?". And we went from there.

And I shizzle you not... A nicely built up 1zz does make me happy. Look through my build thread and you'll see I always mentioned it.

[K T M Rider]

@shnazzle I know how you feel with respect to using a daily. A stock 2 on the right road with good conditions is still a pretty quick car. Certainly a lot of fun.

Does not always seem to be a widely held opinion on here, but I agree. Might not be pretty quick in absolute terms, but can certainly feel it in the right circumstances and it's the feeling that counts.

Yes, in other circumstances (uphill + wrong gear + passenger) it can feel far from quick, but alot of the time you can take the stock car by the scruff of the neck and have a ball on a back road without the speeds getting too silly..........

[shnazzle]

@shnazzle I know how you feel with respect to using a daily. A stock 2 on the right road with good conditions is still a pretty quick car. Certainly a lot of fun.

Does not always seem to be a widely held opinion on here, but I agree. Might not be pretty quick in absolute terms, but can certainly feel it in the right circumstances and it's the feeling that counts.

Yes, in other circumstances (uphill + wrong gear + passenger) it can feel far from quick, but alot of the time you can take the stock car by the scruff of the neck and have a ball on a back road without the speeds getting too silly..........

Exactly. I do think I have limitations as well. Last time I was on a track it was under very controlled circumstances with a car with every aid in the book.
The fact that I can bury the throttle and be reasonably sure nothing stupid will happen is very comforting.

As said by Highland Drive people, a stock 1zz in general will keep up with the v6 mr2s because of the handling and the fact that you can only physically go so fast on certain roads.
I find that on most 60 roads, doing 60 is a bit risky. N Northumberland anyway.

[bigjeff5591]

It's about what you use the car for and the maximum enjoyment per £ - If you are on the road for 99% of the time and its your daily driver, do you realy need more than a well sorted, well handling, and nice sounding 1zz ?  the logical answer is no you dont - but, you are a bloke, so enjoy the journey wherever it takes you !!

[lamcote]

It really is a bit annoying being left behind on the straights by almost any old diesel hatch though!

[shnazzle]

It really is a bit annoying being left behind on the straights by almost any old diesel hatch though!

This was factored in. And you know what? I don't care
People on the road are now so aggressive and senseless that it's not even worth risking being assaulted at a traffic light or being run off a road.

[K T M Rider]

It really is a bit annoying being left behind on the straights by almost any old diesel hatch though!

And somewhere on a diesel hatch forum someone writes:

"It really is a bit annoying being left behind in the bends and at roundabouts by those poxy hairdresser MR2s " 

[Bernie]

If you are going to rebuild and go Stage 1 cams & lightweight flywheel then in reality your only a sportscat and a remap away from mine

Yes 171 isn't in turbo or 2ZZ territory but when we went on the ROC trip to Paris I was keeping up with Nige and Nathan in their turbos on the spirited drive back

The power curve and delivery are really smooth and in over 25,000 miles I've covered 100% reliability so using new piston heads in your rebuild jobs a goodun. 



Crower Stage 1 Cams (Monkey Wrench USA).
Fidanza lightweight flywheel
Zero - 4 into 2 Equal Length, tuned collector, Manifold SS.
Silverstone Performance De-cat pipe, fitted with 200 CEL Sports Cat.
Blueflame Custom Twin Exhaust.
PPE Cold Air Induction system
Apexi Power FC (ECU) with Commander hand controller
Mapping / Dyno by Noble Motorsport.
171 BHP - with dyno print out

[shnazzle]

If you are going to rebuild and go Stage 1 cams & lightweight flywheel then in reality your only a sportscat and a remap away from mine

Yes 171 isn't in turbo or 2ZZ territory but when we went on the ROC trip to Paris I was keeping up with Nige and Nathan in their turbos on the spirited drive back

The power curve and delivery are really smooth and in over 25,000 miles I've covered 100% reliability so using new piston heads in your rebuild jobs a goodun. 



Crower Stage 1 Cams (Monkey Wrench USA).
Fidanza lightweight flywheel
Zero - 4 into 2 Equal Length, tuned collector, Manifold SS.
Silverstone Performance De-cat pipe, fitted with 200 CEL Sports Cat.
Blueflame Custom Twin Exhaust.
PPE Cold Air Induction system
Apexi Power FC (ECU) with Commander hand controller
Mapping / Dyno by Noble Motorsport.
171 BHP - with dyno print out

Exactly. I will put the 200 cell sports cat on so really it's the standalone that will be the only difference. And that can be added at any time in the future. That's what unlocks most of the extra power anyway.

I've driven Bernie's and it is indeed lovely.

There's another side to this in that a rebuild will mean that if I ever feel flush in the future, I can add forced induction without having to worry about the state of the block.

[Carolyn]

1) Rebuild 1zz
I would do this either myself with the help of our lovely Carolyn, if she were willing. So I'd learn a hell of a lot and know what was in it. Full confidence. Full rebuild with new ancilliaries. Solid for at least another 85k miles of punishment. I'd add a good manifold, new cat and likely stg1 cams and lightened flywheel. Alternatively, I could rebuild and get the front of the car resprayed, which is desperately needed, and a general refurb of some of the underbody items (fresh bushes etc).

You know you're welcome to spend some time here and rebuild any engine you like.  Maybe end up with a strong 1zz with a mini supercharger?  I know where there's some kit ready to go... (still need an ECU and Greg's services, though).

[shnazzle]

1) Rebuild 1zz
I would do this either myself with the help of our lovely Carolyn, if she were willing. So I'd learn a hell of a lot and know what was in it. Full confidence. Full rebuild with new ancilliaries. Solid for at least another 85k miles of punishment. I'd add a good manifold, new cat and likely stg1 cams and lightened flywheel. Alternatively, I could rebuild and get the front of the car resprayed, which is desperately needed, and a general refurb of some of the underbody items (fresh bushes etc).

You know you're welcome to spend some time here and rebuild any engine you like.  Maybe end up with a strong 1zz with a mini supercharger?  I know where there's some kit ready to go... (still need an ECU and Greg's services, though).

Thanks Carolyn. It's definitely a case of logistics as I know I'd have to spend at least a full long weekend there.
I'll definitely be in touch
Also, Helen and I want to come down for some more Pod action under the supervision of an adult

[K T M Rider]

The fact that I can bury the throttle and be reasonably sure nothing stupid will happen is very comforting.

Owning many motorcycles (with performance ranging from the sedate to the ballistic) taught me that having alot of power can sometimes make you slower. Like Bigjeff says it all depends on what you want the car for.......

[james_ly]

Personally I'd keep driving the existing engine until it becomes undriveable, which could be a while, save up in the meantime. Then go 2zz or k20 depending on costs. That's my plan with my current healthy 100k mile engine.