Saving the environment.

[Ardent]

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

[1979scotte]

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

[Joesson]

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

While your daily is functioning as Mr T intended and you are not having to spend wine tokens on upkeep I suggest that you are fulfilling your part in " Saving the environment" by doing so.
Investment in an "upgrade" would not be extracting the maximum useful life from what you already have and it would be less than frugal to change.
Any " spare" wine tokens could be used on some Hi Vis reflective stickers around the periphery of your vehicle to lift it from the apparent Stealth Mode it seems (to Ninja cyclists and others) to operate in.

[Ardent]

Excellent suggestion. I did wonder if  the next ought to be a custard. To assist others in seeing it. Completely invisible to 3 others yesterday alone.

[Ardent]

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

Don't think the culd de sac is big enough to accommodate it.
Hmm. Lot of car for little money.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102189219843?atmobcid=soc3

Gs450h would do me. Do like them.

[1979scotte]

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

Don't think the culd de sac is big enough to accommodate it.
Hmm. Lot of car for little money.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102189219843?atmobcid=soc3

Gs450h would do me. Do like them.

Too big?
C 350 E sport hybrid pretty quick and zero tax.

[Dev]

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

Don't think the culd de sac is big enough to accommodate it.
Hmm. Lot of car for little money.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102189219843?atmobcid=soc3

Gs450h would do me. Do like them.

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

This car and its variants are the most reliable cars ever made next to the Toyota Land Cruiser.
 The build quality, workmanship and just about every aspect of this car is solid.  The unique thing about a car like this in its class is, it still has a proven dipstick, normal water pump and alternator. The hybrid version might be a more expensive if the batteries go out but the parts are very reasonable but it often times requires nothing.  There is a five star hotel in New York City that used these for taxi service and on some of them they logged close to 300k harsh city miles before retiring them from their fleet and selling them used with only normal service and fluid changes.
 
Cars should be made this way if there is any hope unlike my two year old refrigerator that claims energy efficiency but now the ice maker stopped working which is a known issue. Instead of fixing the ice maker they are replacing the whole door.

[1979scotte]

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

Don't think the culd de sac is big enough to accommodate it.
Hmm. Lot of car for little money.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102189219843?atmobcid=soc3

Gs450h would do me. Do like them.

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

This car and its variants are the most reliable cars ever made next to the Toyota Land Cruiser.
 The build quality, workmanship and just about every aspect of this car is solid.  The unique thing about a car like this in its class is, it still has a proven dipstick, normal water pump and alternator. The hybrid version might be a more expensive if the batteries go out but the parts are very reasonable but it often times requires nothing.  There is a five star hotel in New York City that used these for taxi service and on some of them they logged close to 300k harsh city miles before retiring them from their fleet and selling them used with only normal service and fluid changes.
 
Cars should be made this way if there is any hope unlike my two year old refrigerator that claims energy efficiency but now the ice maker stopped working which is a known issue. Instead of fixing the ice maker they are replacing the whole door.

The hybrid is actually supposed to be the worst of the range lol.
I belive they had to bring back the 460? Because people wanted a proper V8.

[Dev]

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

Don't think the culd de sac is big enough to accommodate it.
Hmm. Lot of car for little money.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102189219843?atmobcid=soc3

Gs450h would do me. Do like them.

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

This car and its variants are the most reliable cars ever made next to the Toyota Land Cruiser.
 The build quality, workmanship and just about every aspect of this car is solid.  The unique thing about a car like this in its class is, it still has a proven dipstick, normal water pump and alternator. The hybrid version might be a more expensive if the batteries go out but the parts are very reasonable but it often times requires nothing.  There is a five star hotel in New York City that used these for taxi service and on some of them they logged close to 300k harsh city miles before retiring them from their fleet and selling them used with only normal service and fluid changes.
 
Cars should be made this way if there is any hope unlike my two year old refrigerator that claims energy efficiency but now the ice maker stopped working which is a known issue. Instead of fixing the ice maker they are replacing the whole door.

The hybrid is actually supposed to be the worst of the range lol.
I belive they had to bring back the 460? Because people wanted a proper V8.

 If Im not mistaken for a different market the Ls600H is a 5.0L V8. They were sold alongside the LS460 in both regular and long wheel base versions.
 The Hybrid in that car is remarkable and its not just for fuel efficiency which also impressive considering its weight but its main use for the hybrid is torque filling smoothness like the Mclaren hybrid. V12 luxury cars are not premium for just its power, its premium for its quality of power which is linear.
 What the 600H does is supplement the electric motor for power and to flatten the torque for smooth acceleration. 
 
 The entire team that builds this car are are the best workers from Toyota motor city. They may have started out on a Yaris but because of their talent and dedication to quality have moved up the ranks and end up at this special facility that makes these cars. The way they are built is surprise inspections tests for each worker kind of like a military operation to ensure the highest quality. Even though this engine is used in other applications they are a little bit better built from the foundry where they are cast and also CT scanned to check for voids. Everything about this car was made to be the best car Toyota could produce apart from the LFA.
 
 The car that replaced it unfortunately is a V6 turbo that is more powerful but  the V8 was ditched  meet better efficiency standards however it will never replace the smoothness of a V8.
 

[1979scotte]

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

Don't think the culd de sac is big enough to accommodate it.
Hmm. Lot of car for little money.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102189219843?atmobcid=soc3

Gs450h would do me. Do like them.

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

This car and its variants are the most reliable cars ever made next to the Toyota Land Cruiser.
 The build quality, workmanship and just about every aspect of this car is solid.  The unique thing about a car like this in its class is, it still has a proven dipstick, normal water pump and alternator. The hybrid version might be a more expensive if the batteries go out but the parts are very reasonable but it often times requires nothing.  There is a five star hotel in New York City that used these for taxi service and on some of them they logged close to 300k harsh city miles before retiring them from their fleet and selling them used with only normal service and fluid changes.
 
Cars should be made this way if there is any hope unlike my two year old refrigerator that claims energy efficiency but now the ice maker stopped working which is a known issue. Instead of fixing the ice maker they are replacing the whole door.

The hybrid is actually supposed to be the worst of the range lol.
I belive they had to bring back the 460? Because people wanted a proper V8.

 If Im not mistaken for a different market the Ls600H is a 5.0L V8. They were sold alongside the LS460 in both regular and long wheel base versions.
 The Hybrid in that car is remarkable and its not just for fuel efficacy which also impressive considering its weight but its main use for the hybrid is torque filling smoothness like the Mclaren hybrid. V12 luxury cars are not premium for just its power, its premium for its quality of power which is linear.
 What the 600H does is supplement the electric motor for power and to flatten the torque for smooth acceleration. 
 
 The entire team that builds this car are are the best workers from Toyota motor city. They may have started out on a Yaris but because of their talent and dedication to quality have moved up the ranks and end up at this special facility that makes these cars. The way they are built is surprise inspections tests for each worker kind of like a military operation to ensure the highest quality. Even though this engine is used in other applications they are a little bit better built from the foundry where they are cast and also CT scanned to check for voids. Everything about this car was made to be the best car Toyota could produce apart from the LFA.
 
 The car that replaced it unfortunately is a V6 turbo that is more powerful but  the V8 was ditched  meet better efficiency standards however it will never replace the smoothness of a V8.
 

I'm not questioning the build quality but the British motoring press  felt it was not a great car preferring the usual German suspects.
I think we all know in Europe that we are seeing the end of anything over 6 cylinders in the next few years. 😔

[Ardent]

Referring back to my gen2 prius with 1.5 ICE.
As mentioned many times before over various threads.
The vast majority of people do not understand or comprehend what torque is available if you ask for it properly.
400nm. Such a giggle when you launch it.
But most owners probably never knew it was there.

[1979scotte]

Referring back to my gen2 prius with 1.5 ICE.
As mentioned many times before over various threads.
The vast majority of people do not understand or comprehend what torque is available if you ask for it properly.
400nm. Such a giggle when you launch it.
But most owners probably never knew it was there.

Pretty sure my 2 makes around that.
Obviously not from a standing start but then it weighs over 100kg less

[Ardent]

That's the giggle. All of it, on tap,  instantly from 0.
And married to the cvt the delivery is linear.

[Ardent]

Same with Alexa.
Much heavier. But has 2 electric motors.

I must be saving the planet twice as much as I thought.

[1979scotte]

Same with Alexa.
Much heavier. But has 2 electric motors.

I must be saving the planet twice as much as I thought.

Of course you are.
You and your 2040kg SUV. 😉

I'll let you off because you like myself aren't exacerbating the problem by having sprogs.

[Ardent]

Do you look things up individually or have some database with each n every vehicle weight?

[1979scotte]

Do you look things up individually or have some database with each n every vehicle weight?

Some I know others I look up.

[Dev]

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

Don't think the culd de sac is big enough to accommodate it.
Hmm. Lot of car for little money.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102189219843?atmobcid=soc3

Gs450h would do me. Do like them.

In terms of the daily. Although every electrical item works. Like our beloved 2s, the front shocks may/would benefit from a refresh. As an out and out, save the planet chap that I am. I wonder, should I just replace the shocks at £200 a corner fitted, and continue to use a perfectly good serviceable vehicle. Or, should I spunk many thousands of pounds to upgrade(?) to the newer model, even though the hybrid batteries Mr T came up with; work as well today, as they ever did. Hmmm?

Get an LS600H

This car and its variants are the most reliable cars ever made next to the Toyota Land Cruiser.
 The build quality, workmanship and just about every aspect of this car is solid.  The unique thing about a car like this in its class is, it still has a proven dipstick, normal water pump and alternator. The hybrid version might be a more expensive if the batteries go out but the parts are very reasonable but it often times requires nothing.  There is a five star hotel in New York City that used these for taxi service and on some of them they logged close to 300k harsh city miles before retiring them from their fleet and selling them used with only normal service and fluid changes.
 
Cars should be made this way if there is any hope unlike my two year old refrigerator that claims energy efficiency but now the ice maker stopped working which is a known issue. Instead of fixing the ice maker they are replacing the whole door.

The hybrid is actually supposed to be the worst of the range lol.
I belive they had to bring back the 460? Because people wanted a proper V8.

 If Im not mistaken for a different market the Ls600H is a 5.0L V8. They were sold alongside the LS460 in both regular and long wheel base versions.
 The Hybrid in that car is remarkable and its not just for fuel efficacy which also impressive considering its weight but its main use for the hybrid is torque filling smoothness like the Mclaren hybrid. V12 luxury cars are not premium for just its power, its premium for its quality of power which is linear.
 What the 600H does is supplement the electric motor for power and to flatten the torque for smooth acceleration. 
 
 The entire team that builds this car are are the best workers from Toyota motor city. They may have started out on a Yaris but because of their talent and dedication to quality have moved up the ranks and end up at this special facility that makes these cars. The way they are built is surprise inspections tests for each worker kind of like a military operation to ensure the highest quality. Even though this engine is used in other applications they are a little bit better built from the foundry where they are cast and also CT scanned to check for voids. Everything about this car was made to be the best car Toyota could produce apart from the LFA.
 
 The car that replaced it unfortunately is a V6 turbo that is more powerful but  the V8 was ditched  meet better efficiency standards however it will never replace the smoothness of a V8.
 

I'm not questioning the build quality but the British motoring press  felt it was not a great car preferring the usual German suspects.
I think we all know in Europe that we are seeing the end of anything over 6 cylinders in the next few years. 😔

I know you are not questioning the build quality but I thought I should mention what makes it a special car over its competitors. The press often looks at features, sophisticated state of the art, sportiness  and heritage when new then actual practicality and longevity as an owner. They also have a Asian bias when it comes to top shelf and some of it is justified but not for the 600h.
  The German cars in my country sell well but they have the highest depreciation of any car and in some cases are totaled because it cost so much more to repair that it's better to start over so they end up in salvage for minor things. No one wants to touch them but some are attracted to the very low price used but end up in a large financial hole trying to repair it.
   Over here it is better to lease a German car than to own it.
  Where the Lexus shows its value is a common man can buy a used one and afford to keep it for a long time trouble free however in regards to Lexus luxury people tend to prefer the sports of the S class which is not what the 600h is about. The Lexus is true old mans luxury car which is soft and made to be more like a town car. The younger journalists tend to gravitate towards performance in regards to horsepower and handling for cars that just too heavy. A focused luxury car is what is missing in todays market.

[Ardent]

I have no idea how a GS450h "handles" certainly not in the context of an MR2 forum. But I still have a yearning to own one. Might not be for long. But just to say I've had one. Seem to cover both the luxury and semi sporty. It is certainly no slouch. Sub 6 0-60 and a limited 155.

Being the torque junkie I am. That engine and a shed full of electric torque. Pass the kleenex.

[Dev]

I have no idea how a GS450h "handles" certainly not in the context of an MR2 forum. But I still have a yearning to own one. Might not be for long. But just to say I've had one. Seem to cover both the luxury and semi sporty. It is certainly no slouch. Sub 6 0-60 and a limited 155.

Being the torque junkie I am. That engine and a shed full of electric torque. Pass the kleenex.

 I have driven one. It handles horribly. The reason for this is its extra long wheel base which is meant for a luxury ride. The power delivery is smooth but more like a 747 at take off because it uses a CVT transmission. It is completely luxury focused like a Rolls Royce or an old Cadillac. Nothing at all like a new S class or BMW 7 series which are more sports luxury which are often times a compromised car. 

 What is the difference. One is a driver focused car and the other drives you and your passengers with the least amount of road fatigue. The interior is isolated from the outside that any little noise you make is like shouting.

[1979scotte]

I have no idea how a GS450h "handles" certainly not in the context of an MR2 forum. But I still have a yearning to own one. Might not be for long. But just to say I've had one. Seem to cover both the luxury and semi sporty. It is certainly no slouch. Sub 6 0-60 and a limited 155.

Being the torque junkie I am. That engine and a shed full of electric torque. Pass the kleenex.

 I have driven one. It handles horribly. The reason for this is its extra long wheel base which is meant for a luxury ride. The power delivery is smooth but more like a 747 at take off because it uses a CVT transmission. It is completely luxury focused like a Rolls Royce or an old Cadillac. Nothing at all like a new S class or BMW 7 series which are more sports luxury which are often times a compromised car. 

 What is the difference. One is a driver focused car and the other drives you and your passengers with the least amount of road fatigue. The interior is isolated from the outside that any little noise you make is like shouting.

I've always wanted a CL Mercedes.
My dad had a CL 500 but it's the V12 bi turbo that's always floated my boat far more than the proper AMG versions. Sorry 2zz lover's but torque really is king.

[Ardent]

I have no idea how a GS450h "handles" certainly not in the context of an MR2 forum. But I still have a yearning to own one. Might not be for long. But just to say I've had one. Seem to cover both the luxury and semi sporty. It is certainly no slouch. Sub 6 0-60 and a limited 155.

Being the torque junkie I am. That engine and a shed full of electric torque. Pass the kleenex.

 I have driven one. It handles horribly. The reason for this is its extra long wheel base which is meant for a luxury ride. The power delivery is smooth but more like a 747 at take off because it uses a CVT transmission. It is completely luxury focused like a Rolls Royce or an old Cadillac. Nothing at all like a new S class or BMW 7 series which are more sports luxury which are often times a compromised car. 

 What is the difference. One is a driver focused car and the other drives you and your passengers with the least amount of road fatigue. The interior is isolated from the outside that any little noise you make is like shouting.

Forget the handling side of things then.
The remaining aspects still appeal.

[Dev]

I have no idea how a GS450h "handles" certainly not in the context of an MR2 forum. But I still have a yearning to own one. Might not be for long. But just to say I've had one. Seem to cover both the luxury and semi sporty. It is certainly no slouch. Sub 6 0-60 and a limited 155.

Being the torque junkie I am. That engine and a shed full of electric torque. Pass the kleenex.

 I have driven one. It handles horribly. The reason for this is its extra long wheel base which is meant for a luxury ride. The power delivery is smooth but more like a 747 at take off because it uses a CVT transmission. It is completely luxury focused like a Rolls Royce or an old Cadillac. Nothing at all like a new S class or BMW 7 series which are more sports luxury which are often times a compromised car. 

 What is the difference. One is a driver focused car and the other drives you and your passengers with the least amount of road fatigue. The interior is isolated from the outside that any little noise you make is like shouting.

I've always wanted a CL Mercedes.
My dad had a CL 500 but it's the V12 bi turbo that's always floated my boat far more than the proper AMG versions. Sorry 2zz lover's but torque really is king.

From what I was told the CL is top dog and better class than the S.  An old classmate had a CL V12 I don't know which one because he lives in Florida. He told me it was so powerful that he swapped ends.

[Dev]

I have no idea how a GS450h "handles" certainly not in the context of an MR2 forum. But I still have a yearning to own one. Might not be for long. But just to say I've had one. Seem to cover both the luxury and semi sporty. It is certainly no slouch. Sub 6 0-60 and a limited 155.

Being the torque junkie I am. That engine and a shed full of electric torque. Pass the kleenex.

 I have driven one. It handles horribly. The reason for this is its extra long wheel base which is meant for a luxury ride. The power delivery is smooth but more like a 747 at take off because it uses a CVT transmission. It is completely luxury focused like a Rolls Royce or an old Cadillac. Nothing at all like a new S class or BMW 7 series which are more sports luxury which are often times a compromised car. 

 What is the difference. One is a driver focused car and the other drives you and your passengers with the least amount of road fatigue. The interior is isolated from the outside that any little noise you make is like shouting.

Forget the handling side of things then.
The remaining aspects still appeal.

 What really bugs me is when you pay so much money for a luxury car they cut corners and they tend to be unreliable. Initially I was impressed with a previous BMW 5 series but as time went on the interior plastics started to wear and the car had too many issues. What I found in the Lexus is quality workmanship and parts. The wood they use comes from the Yamaha instrument division and the doors are suppose to close like some ancient Japanese wooden doors. They have moved away from trying to imitate Europeans and embrace their cultural heritage.
   Toyota needs to sell the Century world wide but they don't and I think it has to do with another level of prestige reserved for Japanese CEOs and royalty.

 Its also a Hybrid

 

[Dev]

I have no idea how a GS450h "handles" certainly not in the context of an MR2 forum. But I still have a yearning to own one. Might not be for long. But just to say I've had one. Seem to cover both the luxury and semi sporty. It is certainly no slouch. Sub 6 0-60 and a limited 155.

Being the torque junkie I am. That engine and a shed full of electric torque. Pass the kleenex.

 Sorry I thought you meant the 600h. I have not driven the GS450h but I hear its a good car overall and will handle much better than the LS line of automobiles. It is more in line with an E class or five series.