Horrific 2zz Black MR-S bodge work "track car"

Started by threepot, May 30, 2022, 15:05

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threepot

Well maybe I shouldn't, but I bought this.... does anyone know its history of how this car came about?

It shat all its coolant out on the trailer while unloading it, and it idles at 2000rpm because the idle control valve is all shagged inside, but all that is pretty irrelevant because the TPS sensor is both knackard and wired up the wrong way, so it was trying to idle at full throttle and at idle it thinks its at WOT!

Who does this stuff really. I bet it was dog slow all the time at the fuel control is screwed up. Plus it had 3 major vacuum leaks so the fuel trim was all goofed up.

The idler bearing on accessory belt is screaming its head off, and on the verge of letting go. Water leak was the O ring on the water pump... and "very coincidentally" it came with a brand new water pump in the spares box which was dated as manufactured 27/07/2021.

But at least its not a rotten POS ! No upside down welding requred.




MattPerformance

Hi Matt
The car was built and the conversion was done by Megillian Motorsport.
I can't speak for the TPS issues or the vacuum leaks but I did three track days in the car and it performed faultlessly.  I suspect there must have been some concern with the water pump (hence there being one with the car) but I can only imagine that the water leak happened as a result of the car standing for the last couple of months as it was absolutely fine when I used it until that point.
On the plus side, the water pump is an easy job and by the look of it, the TB issues should be a quick and cheap fix.
Notwithstanding its imperfections that we knew about and those that we didn't, "horrific" is a bit harsh!!

threepot

I like the "engine access cover" that's not had the burrs taken off the back edge so it would mince someones hands as they use it... and I like the bit where the plate doesn't fit properly so it rattles and you breath the engines fumes into the cab and it makes you go deaf in the car listening to the engine 18" inches from your eardrums. It's all so well prepared  ;D  Maybe whoever cut it out doesn't have time or skills to use a deburing tool and make some kind of seal. After all who needs a fire wall in motorsport  ;)

And the light weight door cards, where the rivets go to nothing because there is metal in the door there for them to attach. Rattling away like a wasp in a coke can.

And the fuse box that is just flapping in the breeze in the glove box with the wires rubbing against the cage. Totally perfect for the job, not a fire hazard at all, I'd let my best mate drive it.

The pegs for the quick release frunk and rear bonnet that are totally out of alignment, Stevie Wonder needs a new tape measure.

Ahh and the roof brackets, that are missing half the bolts because they don't line up properly.

But you know all of this because I quote "I've just been through the whole car to make sure it's in good shape and serviced.... and reliable!"   O:-)

It was everything I expecting a car described as "this car has been prepared to a very high standard with an enviable spec". I have been round this game long enough. When ever "motorsport" is involved, the workmanship is garbage.

To call it anything other than horrific is being far too kind, I'd be as honest as a car dealer in Birmingham.

If I didn't want it, I would have drove home with an empty trailer, I was fully prepared to do that if it was a rotten or bent turd.

I am quite happy with the purchase :) There is no ill feelings what so ever. I love it to bits 100%. I went shopping for a project, and a worth while project is what I've got.

Over the next few weeks it'll be de-buggered up, de-uglyfied, MOT'd, road tested and booked in for some track day action.

MattPerformance

I quite agree that an awful lot of the cosmetic stuff leaves a lot to be desired (fueboards flapping about etc), but I stand by the fact that mechanically and structurally it is completely sound, albeit that it sprang a water leak that I didn't know about nor had I experienced (but changing if the water pump isn't exactly a big deal - if I'd known about it I'd have done it myself).
I have no doubt that you'll enjoy the car once you get it to the standard that you're happy with.

Alex Knight

That looks furking horrific.

Bon chance.

1979scotte

I've owned worse.
Best of luck with it.
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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
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SuperArt

#6
Quote from: 1979scotte on May 30, 2022, 20:41I've owned worse.
Best of luck with it.

Mate it's bloody close. This looks/sounds tragic.

@threepot fairplay to you going into this project eyes open, all the best.

1979scotte

Quote from: SuperArt on May 31, 2022, 21:33Mate it's bloody close. This looks/sounds tragic.

@threepot fairplay to you going into this project eyes open, all the best.

Until someone shows me a subframe that folds in half under its own weight I'm not convinced.
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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Joesson

The expression What you see is what you get doesn't always hold good as what you don't see comes with it.
The Op's car was trailered home, not driven away, whereas another member bought from a (now ex)  member, and drove many miles home to uncover the truth.
Experience comes in good and bad forms and some leaves a bitter taste.

threepot

Yes, I am happy because it is not a rot box! Things that bolt on and off are easily resolved, upside down welding is what I didn't want to get involved in. It is quite a decent car underneath its abuse, very low milage @ 60k, and its an import MR-S. Body shell is really pretty damn good for 23 years old.

Any way after a few days tinkering and visiting a few dirty scrap yard, I've swapped the panels for the best ones I can get locally. They are scrap yard body panels so a bit scratched/scuffed up. But it is a track car.

Done the water pump, tinkered with all the scratty bits, fitted a set of UK clocks so the speedo is sensible to read with the correct mileage. Few bits getting delivered over the next week, and its arranged to have the roof and bonnet sprayed in the correct 202 Astral Black. It'll get MOT'd at the end of next week so I can give it a good shake down to make sure the engine and box is worth while.

Then it'll have everything under the arches removed, new arms, poly bushes, white line ARB's, new drop links track rods, wheel bearings, hubs all shot blasted and painted etc. Turn it into the real deal that's as tight as you like it.




J88TEO


tricky1138

2004 FL, Black, Matt Brace, Team Dynamics Monza R, Tein Springs, TTE Exhaust, heated black leather seats, black leather armrest,  Zunsport grills, Midship front badge,  TRD spoiler, Halo DRLs with LED fogs, large clear wind defector, Krissg kick panels,  small mongos.

MattPerformance

#12
Quote from: Joesson on June  1, 2022, 08:37The expression What you see is what you get doesn't always hold good as what you don't see comes with it.
The Op's car was trailered home, not driven away, whereas another member bought from a (now ex)  member, and drove many miles home to uncover the truth.
Experience comes in good and bad forms and some leaves a bitter taste.


When you dissect what the buyer has said, you can see that the car is far from horrific, not to mention that a lot of the parts that he has since fitted were actually included in the sale, £4400 for a really clean shell (by his own admission), 2zz conversion that did spring a water pump leak but is otherwise perfect, decent exhaust (not just your cheap and cheerful swap manifold), full cage, coilovers, hard top, buckets, harnesses, fire extinguisher system, Sparco wheel with QR hub and a car load of spares.... That's hardly going to leave a bitter taste in anyone's mouth!
As I mentioned earlier though, some of the details of the original build left a bit to be desired but they didn't affect functionality one iota.

Call the midlife!

Quote from: MattPerformance on June  2, 2022, 21:19When you dissect what the buyer has said, you can see that the car is far from horrific, not to mention that a lot of the parts that he has since fitted were actually included in the sale, £4400 for a really clean shell (by his own admission), 2zz conversion that did spring a water pump leak but is otherwise perfect, decent exhaust (not just your cheap and cheerful swap manifold), full cage, coilovers, hard top, buckets, harnesses, fire extinguisher system, Sparco wheel with QR hub and a car load of spares.... That's hardly going to leave a bitter taste in anyone's mouth!
As I mentioned earlier though, some of the details of the original build left a bit to be desired but they didn't affect functionality one iota.
That's a lot for the money to be fair, I've thrown more than that at mine over the last few years just making it worse 🤓
60% of the time it works everytime...

threepot

2zz conversion is far from perfect.... 2 bell housing bolts are missing, another is finger tight. missing vacuum pipes, leaking throttle body (although covered in instant gasket), never had the 5v+Gnd swapped on the TPS (which is essential and anyone with half a clue of doing 2zz swaps knows, or even basic car repair knowledge), and the auxiliary belt idler pulley bearing is screaming its nuts off - but no one could hear it while it ticks over at 2000rpm. Need to take the rocker cover off as its all smegged up with instant gasket galore, someone has been in there for some reason, hopefully to replace the lift bolts but I'll find out. One of the coolant hoses has been blanked off with a bolt shoved in it but no hose clamp, it drips a bit when hot.

Only the spare bonnet used, which needs the dent filling and then painting the right colour, the new in box brake pads will be fitted and used, and the water pump has been used..... that's the water pump the seller said it doesn't need when questioned  ;) It has obviously been leaking for ages as there is loads of coolant staining all down the timing chain cover/block.sump, and the engine bay where its flicked off the belt. When questioned about the coolant staining round the bottle said something about they had over filled it with coolant because more is better than less  :-X 

2 of the included spare wheels are bent. Need to check the ones on the car when I get them off.

Other things of note... 1 number plate bulb blown, both front side lights blown, 1 main beam blown.
It was also stated that all it need for an MOT is a Catalytic converter and a button for the horn....  but after making a button for the horn, it turns out the pair of horns is actually missing.

Advertised as "I've just been through the whole car to make sure it's in good shape and serviced.... and reliable!"

Manifold is just a scabby Celica one that's been angle grinded and mig welded - cheap and cheerful swap manifold would have been a superior item. I've got a brand new nice TIG welded stainless one in a box at work for 2 years ready to put on it.

The spoiler was a complete waste of space, where the mounts has been welded onto the top bumper mounting bodyshell bit it is very weak and bendy, so if the spoiler created any force it would just bend the bodywork. It was all wobbly and joke worthy. Its all been cut off and ditched, new boot lid fitted, OEM boot latch re-instated.

The exhaust system is good though. Welding is good, bends are good. I'd call that a quality item. Whoever made that did a decent job. I'm not all negative critical, I call a spade a spade.

If someone bought it thinking they were buying a turn key track car that was in functional reliable state, they would have been painfully disappointed.

It wasn't cheap, nor was it over priced. For whats there it's accurately valued to me. I valued it at £1000 for the engine and gearbox, £1200 for the rolling body shell, £1200 for the cage/seats/fire stuff, £1000 for the roof and other parts included.

A good polished track spec 2ZZ MR2 will cost you more than £4400 in my opinion, maybe £6k or £7k. ARB's, bushes, braces, all new bearings, etc - e.g high quality fit and finish. No ones making money there, it'd run you £10k to build a good car which you'd sell at a loss.

MattPerformance


Alex Knight

Quote from: MattPerformance on June  3, 2022, 13:54Blah blah blah

To be fair to the OP, this is a rather childish response.

If I had sold a car that genuinely had the issues the the OP stated, I'd be embarrassed, and doing my utmost to resolve them in an amicable and adult manner.

That your response does neither of these (to my knowledge) speaks volumes.

There was a route you could have chosen, and you didn't. In my humble opinion, that does not reflect you in your best light.

MattPerformance

Quote from: Alex Knight on June  3, 2022, 21:16To be fair to the OP, this is a rather childish response.

If I had sold a car that genuinely had the issues the the OP stated, I'd be embarrassed, and doing my utmost to resolve them in an amicable and adult manner.

That your response does neither of these (to my knowledge) speaks volumes.

There was a route you could have chosen, and you didn't. In my humble opinion, that does not reflect you in your best light.

You're welcome to your opinion.

All I'm seeing here is a rant about the build quality of the car (not my doing and was all there to see when he collected the car), acceptance in fact, that the car was fair value and a moan about some niggling issues that he made no attempt to discuss with me, all of which seem to have been resolved in an afternoon.
If someone buys something and their first course of action is to rant on a forum instead of contacting the seller (although, AGAIN, he appears to be satisfied with the car actually) then I don't believe it's my responsibility to do anything.
Whatever the OP might think, the car is mechanically sound, did three track days without missing a beat and then stood for a couple of months before being sold.  I don't think I have anything to answer for at all, let alone be embarrassed about.
The FOC brand new full set of Yellowstuff brake pads, spare head lights, spare rear lights, spare bumpers, free car cover, spare driveshafts, MOTUL 600 brake fluid, 2x complete sets of brake discs, alternator, water pump (and prob a few things I've forgotten to mention) don't get a mention (ok, so the water pump does) but the 22 year old wheels do because, although they were FREE, two of them apparently have buckled (although how bad, I don't know).
If the OP was looking for support from me then he only needed to get in contact but he actually seems to be happy with the car, oh and all the free parts he got.  Again, not exactly horrific!

threepot

Matt was decent to deal with to be fair. I've asked him for nothing, he owes me nothing. There is no hate here. I'm happy with the purchase. We agreed a price before hand, and that is what I paid. Tyre kicking/haggling is uncouth, it annoys the hell out of me. Although I think my wife would have preferred me to come back with an empty trailer.

In early April a mate sent me a screenshot of the Facebook advert on Whatsapp as a joke. When I saw the pictures with the BGW and orange wheels, and random holes cut out of it, "oh god that's horrific" was said, it was thus christened the Horrific 2ZZ car. You'd have to be pretty hopeful to sell that - hell you'd have to be pretty stupid to buy that.

Not sure the advertising quite lives up to the product, but all is fair in love, war and second hand car sales. Got to keep it real! The spares were in the advert, so they are not really free. And spewing the coolant out before it got off the trailer was pretty disheartening. The horrific MR2 lived up to its reputation right at that moment, WTF had I just bought.

I was wrong about the exhaust manifold having looked at it closer, whoever did that pipe slice mitre bend and tig'd it together did a pretty nice job of the Celica/Corolla manifold adaption.

As long as the engine doesn't rattle its arse off on the way to the MOT next friday then I've come out of this happy. If it spews its coolant out of the header tank I factored in a possible head gasket job when I viewed it seeing all the coolant staining round the header tank and the new water pump in a box. Anyone with car experience has seen all those hall marks a hundred times before.

Although someone sent me this (thank you to that person), which does explain the rocker cover covered in instant gasket, as it appears to be my car as the fire system pipework brackets are in exactly the right places and the scratches where the bracing sits are the same..... so in one breath calling it "2zz conversion that did spring a water pump leak but is otherwise perfect",  then been pointed to a post with words like this does make me wonder.



But you know... "Whatever the OP might think, the car is mechanically sound"  ;)





........................... Anyway on with its future .............................


Tonight its has the OEM rear bonnet latch done, both the spare headlight have had an hours machine polishing and they have been fitted as the ones on it were pretty fractured and faded. Included brake pads fitted as one of the rears was metal on metal. Some rusty patches on the corners of the wings taken back to bare metal and repainted.

I'm in for about 30 odd hours so far of enjoyable tinker time, and about £300 in parts. There's a few more hours this week when the missing pulley turns up on courier, and one of the included spare hand brake cables will be fitted as the rear left cable is dragging inside and beyond forced lubrication tricks.

Maybe, just maybe, I'll have a functioning MOT'd 2ZZ MR-S, with an actual hand brake that works... nah never, impossible! Chock of wood = MR2 Life

MattPerformance

#19
Spare hand brake cables - I knew I'd forgotten some other free spares that I'd included.

And the rear pads were very low which I did mention (new ones supplied and I explicitly mentioned that I hadn't changed them so that the buyer could see that the new pads were truly new (in the box!).

When describing the 2zz mechanically I should have said "perfectly serviceable" as opposed to perfect (it ran perfectly for me!).

PS. I hadn't realised the "horrific" label was meant as a joke (neither did others from what I read). FWIW, I described it as ghastly!

Threepot: rest assured that there's nothing wrong with the HG. Enjoy the car for what it is, but beware running it on slicks cause the 2zz oil system is not renowned for being able to keep up with big lateral Gs....

threepot

#20
The first time I released the handbrake after it was unloaded from the trailer with leaking coolant all over the yard, the balance bar that joins the 3 cables inside sprung apart as the left cable didn't return. Nor could I push the car on my own as the caliper was now binding.

I don't have the time nor will to drop the tank to swap this left handbrake cable before Fridays MOT, so a plan C was enacted. The forced lubing got cranked up to 11 tonight, well 3 bar actually....




With this fitted on the handbrake end I could fill the rubber hose with fluid, then ram some air down it forcing the fluid down the cable. Before long fluid was dripping out of the caliper end.




After a few syringes of penetration oil was forced though, it started to free up being able to push/pull the cable inner from the caliper end. After that I blew it out for a couple of mins while pushing and pulling to clear the debris from inside the cable. Then forced through a syringe of oil. Cable now runs plenty free enough for functional and non dragging handbrake. It's no permanent solution but it gets it though the MOT.

threepot

#21
Missing part for the belt and pulleys turned this morning. In a quiet hour at work today managed to get these bits swapped over, and it made the engine much quieter at tickover.




Also made the Fog Light a proper OEM setup. Turns out the MR-S imports have all the wiring in the factory loom for the fog light, all you need is a UK rear right cluster with the bulb holder in place. Then under the dash near the mirror adjuster button there is an un-used connector. Join the yellow wire to the red/white wire and the rear fog light comes on, and the yellow rear fog indicator in the dash illuminates. So with an MR2 front fog light switch, you can have a near OEM rear foglight functioning in the import. You cannot use a UK spec set of stalks in a JDM import, the connectors are pinned differently and one of the connectors is physically different. So indicators on the right it stays.

Lastly, took the car for a little drive to make sure everything works. Turns out the ABS is doing something weird, I think one of the wheel speed values is not reading correctly. So when you try to brake it fights against you, which is not what we want really.

Also have a set of Whiteline ARB's and these nifty improved drop links from spring-loaded suspension, amazing service from them, super fast delivery.



Hammond

Quote from: threepot on June  8, 2022, 15:48Missing part for the belt and pulleys turned this morning. In a quiet hour at work today managed to get these bits swapped over, and it made the engine much quieter at tickover.




Also made the Fog Light a proper OEM setup. Turns out the MR-S imports have all the wiring in the factory loom for the fog light, all you need is a UK rear right cluster with the bulb holder in place. Then under the dash near the mirror adjuster button there is an un-used connector. Join the yellow wire to the red/white wire and the rear fog light comes on, and the yellow rear fog indicator in the dash illuminates. So with an MR2 front fog light switch, you can have a near OEM rear foglight functioning in the import. You cannot use a UK spec set of stalks in a JDM import, the connectors are pinned differently and one of the connectors is physically different. So indicators on the right it stays.

Lastly, took the car for a little drive to make sure everything works. Turns out the ABS is doing something weird, I think one of the wheel speed values is not reading correctly. So when you try to brake it fights against you, which is not what we want really.

Also have a set of Whiteline ARB's and these nifty improved drop links from spring-loaded suspension, amazing service from them, super fast delivery.




Have you got a link for the drop links?
05' silver

threepot

I bought via ebay.. these items

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281940020171
RoadNutz Rear Adjustable Drop Links x2 for Toyota MR2 1.8i 1999-2007 ZZW30

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293519072893
Rear Drop Links for Mitsubishi Colt 1.8 GTi 4G93 CA5A 1992 to 1996 = Front MR2 with longer thread

Joesson

Quote from: threepot on June  8, 2022, 18:39I bought via ebay.. these items

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281940020171
RoadNutz Rear Adjustable Drop Links x2 for Toyota MR2 1.8i 1999-2007 ZZW30

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293519072893
Rear Drop Links for Mitsubishi Colt 1.8 GTi 4G93 CA5A 1992 to 1996 = Front MR2 with longer thread


Your second item was a good find, resolves the issue of insufficient thread length to accommodate an aftermarket/ Whiteline ARB.
On the same eBay page, I guess you noticed Roadnutz offering Front drop links for the Roadster, but noted as NOT suitable for Whiteline ARB.