Hi Guys,
looking for some Advice, Want to go about improving the handleing of the car, but dont want to spend money where its not needed,
I already have corkys brest plate and ches front brace, Im now going looking for cusco front strut bar, dont know whether to tip my toe into rear bracing Id either buy ches one or the c one version but not sure what if any difference theyd make
What about lowering the car Im fasinated by Rogue sports tein set up as used by phil by its probabley over kill. Im sure standard springs would be ok.
Im also going to change the brake pads, prob trd at front, standard at rear and go for stainless steel brake lines. Would I be able to feel a difference, also should I look at changing rotors,
The Cars only coming up on 50k and I don,t believe its been driven hard by previous owners (the last 15 under me has only been spirted)
So what do you think whats worth doing and whats not?
Thanks Kj
unless your unhappy with the brakes first mods in order would be
TTE springs
Cusco front bar
che rear (LOwer) braces
the upper rear brace is nice but really only looks TBH
Teins are nice but at that price you have to be sure
Mark,
Are you happy with your sportivo setup? Would you recommend it?
I seem to remember you saying at one point that you bought it in the states and took it home as luggage. How did you do it?? s:? :? s:? How big is the box?
I'm thinking about it...
Sportivo hmmmm
I like it but it's quite a lot firmer than the TTE springs with stock shocks
which is good or bad depending on the roads near you.
it's a little firm for my current tastes so I'm thinking of keeping the shocks but changing teh springs to TTE ones which are rated a little softer
ref getting it back in luggae I was fortunate that this was when weight limits were a little more flexible and it was also a company trip so I didn't pay excess baggage
if I was doing that again I would say you won't get more than 2 shocks or 2 springs in a single suitace and still get away within the weight limit.
not an issue if you have company so double teh luggage allowance
additionally most arlines allow you to fly golf clubs free, since teh sway bars are way to long for conventional luggage I'd bubble wrap them and stick them in cheap golf carry bag like youget from argos for £11
I carried mine through the green channell in a box marked TRD so it was a little obvios and surprising I got away with it.
having driven Phils though for teh same price as the sportivo you can get teh teins, so it's a no brainer. Get the teins
Thanks, Mark.
Yeah, the SuperStreets are the other option I'm toying with but if I'm going to do that, I may as well get the EFDC.
And that probably means a ferry to Old Blighty at which point the incentive will be strong to stock up on other gear....
At which point, I guess I'll just go without food for six months. And with the weight savings, the car will go even faster. s:) :) s:)
The Teins are a lot cheaper in the US but on the Carson Toyota site it says they are for US spec '2s only. Can this possibly be true?
well my sportivo was US stock and that fitted fine so I would say they will be fine
I posted a email to some crowd in the the north who do teins, never got a reply but It would be great if I could get it done here in Ireland,
Rogue is doing teh teis for around £800 at the mo
fitting is easy DIY
Hi Kj
If you speak to Patrick at Rogue I think you might still be able to have them fitted for free.
If you can stretch to having the EDFC fitted you will be sooooooooooo pleased, worth every penny s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D
Tein is expensive but everything is so balanced, but be warned they are not a soft ride, even on setting 16 - the softest it's like a rally car, it's down to what you want out of the ride, I love it this way but it may not be every ones taste.
I think Phil would also agree with this.
Thanks
Rob
Quote from: "FGRob"Tein is expensive but everything is so balanced, but be warned they are not a soft ride, even on setting 16 - the softest it's like a rally car, it's down to what you want out of the ride, I love it this way but it may not be every ones taste.
Hmmm. You may have put me off them. I just assumed that the adjustable dampers went from something like stock (for when I'm carting old ladies to the supermarket) to something like a race car.
Another question: with coilovers like the Teins, are thicker anti-roll bars just overkill or do they also add something to the handling?
Soft seting is like driving in a deep carpet
Quote from: "philster_d"Soft seeting is like driving in a deep carpet
Does that mean you disagree with FGRob?
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: you gotta love Phils cryptic answers s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Ernie Ball"Quote from: "FGRob"Tein is expensive but everything is so balanced, but be warned they are not a soft ride, even on setting 16 - the softest it's like a rally car, it's down to what you want out of the ride, I love it this way but it may not be every ones taste.
Hmmm. You may have put me off them. I just assumed that the adjustable dampers went from something like stock (for when I'm carting old ladies to the supermarket) to something like a race car.
Another question: with coilovers like the Teins, are thicker anti-roll bars just overkill or do they also add something to the handling?
The thing about the ride is when you are setting a good pace on a nice twisty bit of road the Tein comes into it's own, it's only when you get on a bad section of road it can be a little uncomfortable, if like me, you are thinking of doing some track days you just push a button and away you go s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D
That's my next up-grade, not sure which to go for, the other up-grade to have done is either a Cusco or TRD brace that does just tie the whole thing together.
But again it's all down to what you want out of the car.
Thanks
Rob
"I cant believe how planted your car feels" Markiii 2006
Carpet and plants not sure about that s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Come on Phil give him an answer s:D :D s:D
Im driving on about level 3 at the moment.
initialy I was popping it onto 16 for the motorways and it realy soaks up the bumps (feels like deep carpet)
Set harder I can feel everything and balance the car at 100mph through a long corner without worrying about traction. I can feel it!
Quote from: "philster_d"I'm driving on about level 3 at the moment.
initialy I was popping it onto 16 for the motorways and it realy soaks up the bumps (feels like deep carpet)
Set harder I can feel everything and balance the car at 100mph through a long corner without worrying about traction. I can feel it!
I'm tending to run at 14 which I think is a fair compromise for the roads where I live, if I pushing it I will go up to 8 which at speed does give the car a great balanced feel.
Thinking about I understand what you mean about motorway driving, especially the concrete sections s:? :? s:?
Thanks
Rob
I might tend to run 3 front and 4 back or something.
I feel like I'm talking to Master Po on Kung Fu (sorry if this is before your time). s:? :? s:? Every response is like a riddle!
Now I've got 3 questions in need of a clear answer:
1) Can the Teins be adjusted to be somewhere close to stock for grandma?
2) Does a beefier ARB add anything?
3) Carson says the Teins are height adjustable as well as damper force adjustable. Is this true? I've had conflicting information.
1) What is stock ?
2) Stop rolling ? no seriously I dont know the answer to this one
3) Carson speaks the truth, ride height is adjustable (with spanners) and damping is by twisting something (in my case twisted electronicaly)
I came from a lowered mk2 turbo with a rock hard suspension, to the point where you had to avoid potholes. The mk3 has never felt that extreeme.
I suppose its also relavent to the hardness of the ride which size wheels you run, 15 with have more rubber. On 17 there is less forgivingness as the tyres are more or less painted on s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Ernie Ball"I feel like I'm talking to Master Po on Kung Fu (sorry if this is before your time). s:? :? s:? Every response is like a riddle!
Now I've got 3 questions in need of a clear answer:
1) Can the Teins be adjusted to be somewhere close to stock for grandma?
2) Does a beefier ARB add anything?
3) Carson says the Teins are height adjustable as well as damper force adjustable. Is this true? I've had conflicting information.
I think Phils tried to answer your points, but it is difficult, my take on your questions are:
1. Stock is difficult to define but I would say it would be hard to make it that soft - unless you adopt point 3 below, the only suggestion would be to get your gran some stronger denture fixing - only joking s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
2. Yes it stops body roll which means when cornering hard your wheels are level and the car remains square to the road which makes for better cornering - if you know what I mean s:? :? s:?
3. Yes they are height adjustable, mine are currently set at 20mm which makes the top of the tyre just about level with the arch. The thing is with Tein the lower you have the car the more compression you are putting the spring under, which again will alter the stiffness of the car, so in theory the taller the car the softer the spring will be, I think the minimum height drop is something like 15mm. - I think.
The best thing to do is get on a ferry and come and try mine out.
Thanks
Rob
s:oops: :oops: s:oops: This is going to sound stupid but how do you adjust the height? What I want to know is if I have a strut bar and the edfc added how awkward would the adjust be?
Steve I got a quote back from Tuninkworx in the north
QuoteHi Kj
We can fit and setup your suspension kit £200
The Superstreet kit with top mounts is £760 + vat
The EDFC is £220 + vat
Many Thanks
Michael
TUNINWORX
02890 449797
Thats not really any cheaper but I figure again u factor in the price of ferries its not bad
Still waiting on a couple of others to get back
Quote from: "kj"Thats not really any cheaper but I figure again u factor in the price of ferries its not bad
Still waiting on a couple of others to get back
I guess it all depends whether Rogue would really fit them for free if you buy from them. That would be like getting the ferry (and a meet-up with other MR2Rocstars) for free.
P.S. We do call them MR2Rocstars, don't we? s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "kj"looking for some Advice, Want to go about improving the handleing of the car, but dont want to spend money where its not needed
I'm going to be controversial and ask the question: What do you think is wrong with the standard setup? Your answer to that should decide what mods to do first. For example you want to cut down on the scuttle shake/chassis flexing then there are all manner of braces that can be fitted. If you want to alter the stance of the car for cosmetic reasons then you just need lowering springs. You want to change the way the car turns in/under/oversteers then it can be as simple as a geo setup, different tyres or even just playing with tyre pressures.
IMO the Mk3 (certainly the later model with the bigger rear wheels) is very well sorted out of the box. Unless you've strapped on a turbo, the standard brakes are excellent and more than capable of stopping the car consistantly for a 20min session of very hard track driving, which is as hard a treatment as the car should ever get. Added to this the fact that they're also keen from cold then I'd leave them well alone. If you're having trouble I'd be worried that maybe the fluid has been boiled at some point or that the pads are shot. In which case a simple fluid/pad change should sort it. Braided lines in theory stop the flexible brake hoses from expanding under pressure when the fluid is hot, giving a spongy pedal... Again, unless you have problems with a spongy pedal you're just throwing money at a problem you more than likely don't have. Same goes for the discs, why swap them for something else unless you're having a problem with the braking? Slotted brakes will just make your pads last half as long as normal, drilled ones will save you a small amount of unsprung weight, but if you're going down that route you'd be better getting lighter wheels first.
I'm of the same opinion of the suspension. The handling of the standard car is really very, very good. It's nicely balanced, chuckable and progressive. I can understand someone wanting to lower it for cosmetic reasons as it does look like it's on tippytoes, but if there is something wrong with the handling, the first port of call should be to make sure all the wheels are pointing in the direction they're supposed to with a geo check as the car should handle well stock. If you want to stiffen it up for a more 'sporty' drive, again, fair enough. If you're wanting to tweak it's turn in you can do so for free as the car is very suseptable to small changes in tyre pressure. Lower it at the front to aid turn in, raise it at the rear to make the backend more lively. You don't have to do it much to alter the balance of the car quite a lot.
FWIW and very much all IMO, I have no problems at all with people modifying their cars, I just think that if you're doing it for perfomance reasons you should have a very good idea what you want to get out of them. Usually they are to address limitations of the car, but I don't think the Mk3 really has many as it's that good. It's easier if you're dramatically raising the power as the standard kit will start to reach it's limits and you will need beefier brakes, etc. But in standard trim, if you're wanting to go faster I think spending some cash on a trackday and getting some tuition is probably a better and more effective way to get the same result.
I could have really summed all that waffle with: If it ain't broke, why fix it? s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "kj":oops: This is going to sound stupid but how do you adjust the height? What I want to know is if I have a strut bar and the edfc added how awkward would the adjust be?
Steve I got a quote back from Tuninkworx in the north
QuoteHi Kj
We can fit and setup your suspension kit £200
The Superstreet kit with top mounts is £760 + vat
The EDFC is £220 + vat
Many Thanks
Michael
TUNINWORX
02890 449797
Thats not really any cheaper but I figure again u factor in the price of ferries its not bad
Still waiting on a couple of others to get back
The adjustment of the height - should you want to after it is set is very simple, you adjust from the inside of the wheel arch, using two large C spanners, you don't even need to open the bonnet.
That price is not to bad if it includes the EDFC, Rogue only fit the struts for free the EDFC they charge extra for I think something like £30 per hour and it normally takes about 2 -3 hours.
Thanks
Rob
Quote from: "juansolo"I could have really summed all that waffle with: If it ain't broke, why fix it? s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Yep that would be a better way of putting it. s:shock: :shock: s:shock: But on the other hand if you want to have more fun then you have to have a go at messing around - I supposed like you have done with your Westfield. s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Thanks
Rob
Quote from: "juansolo"I could have really summed all that waffle with: If it ain't broke, why fix it? s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Not sure that the dictum is applicable here. We're not talking about things that are binary in nature (off/on, broken/fixed). We're talking about things for which there is a wide range of costs and benefits.
Sure, it isn't broken right out of the box. But it can always be
improved. Hence the desire for further modifications.
Now, if it turns out that the further modifications make the car worse, well, then we have a problem. But I don't expect that that's the case with the Teins.
Anyway, it's fun to improve the car and it's less fun to leave it as is.
Quote from: "juansolo"I could have really summed all that waffle with: If it ain't broke, why fix it? s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
But why break the habit of a lifetime? s;) ;) s;) *ducks* s:) :) s:)
One thing I will say - having been out in Stu's car (which has TTE springs and that's all, IIRC) with Mark driving - it went round roundabouts *far*
far faster than I would ever dare drive on the road as it was...
The first Mods I did was Fit a Corkys Brest Plate and Ches front member brace and the difference it makes is scary....So much better, more direct, more everything really!
Before this Id never really been into modding but these simple changes opened my eyes.
What I want to find out what other mods really make a difference the way these two mods did,
Ive also fitted a PPE header and Cat and Markiiis Inlet. Ill prob get a dual exhaust at some stage but thats as far as I want to go with engine mods
The way I see it this car is all about handeling and personnal performance and the enjoyment that brings rather than straight bhp gains
That to me means suspension mods and mods to what your actually using in the car, brakes, gear changes the pieces your hands and feet communicate with.
Ive never been to happy with the brakes, I know everyone loves them but Ive never had ABS before and feel cheated when I dont lock a wheel when I mess up, I do find the pedal a bit spongy so I entend bleeding and changing the brake fluid and prob change to stainless steel lines while Im at it.
I may change to a stainless steel clutch line also. I now that its prob pointless but if it ads to extra feel and communication with the car than in my book it worh it.
In terms of suspension mods Im probabley going to start hitting the diminishing returns thing.
Corkys and Ches front brace made a massive change, a strut bar will prob improve things but only slightly,
Uprating sway bars prob would give me a bit more feel
As to lowering the car I know the teins are probabley overkill and I prob wont do it only because of price but the are a fantastic piece of kit and have to be on everyones wish list.
Quote from: "FGRob"Quote from: "juansolo"I could have really summed all that waffle with: If it ain't broke, why fix it? s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Yep that would be a better way of putting it. s:shock: :shock: s:shock: But on the other hand if you want to have more fun then you have to have a go at messing around - I supposed like you have done with your Westfield. s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Ah, but by it's very nature the Westfield is the ultimate in tinkering with setup given that there is no real set standard as a base to start from. As such it's usually something that's not right that I'm trying to fix rather than any subtle tuning. That way I always have set goals with it, which are usually quite simple to achive. Conversely the Scooby has had a geo setup and is otherwise completely standard. I can however cause the brakes to fade so when I've worn them out I'll fit a set of Pagids that should sort that out.
As I say it depends what you want. If you want to adjust the cars handling, go for it. If you actually want to go quicker I reckon the standard car is such a good baseline that you'd get more benefit from driver training.
for what it's worth let me add a few more pennies
Toyota changed teh shocks for 03 onwards and they are far better than pre03
for 90% of people with an 03 TTE springs will be more than enough. It's not far off Sportivo handling levels and is more comfortable for day to day driving to boot.
now if you've decided for one reason or another y0ou need more than that read on.
Sportivo is a great out of the box, no tweaking solution. it's very goo for both road and for track but has limitations for both as well. I'd like it harder on track and softer on the road. However if you have no requirement for adjustability and what fit and forget it can't be beaten.
If your prepared to or want to play with settings, like the idea of changing stuff when you feel like it, then the teins should be bought over the sprtivo as they are better in all respects and the same price for teh most part these days.
with regardsto Fronts strut brace if you have any car other than a very late 05 with the HUGE amount of extra bracing it will make a massive difference no matter what other bracing you have. 5mm movementin teh top suspension towers is huge.
oh and if you have the PPe and want a dual exhaust speak to Stu, he has a TTE for sale and it's the best exhaust IMHO with teh PPE.
Quote from: "aaronjb"Quote from: "juansolo"I could have really summed all that waffle with: If it ain't broke, why fix it? s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
But why break the habit of a lifetime? s;) ;) s;) *ducks* s:) :) s:)
One thing I will say - having been out in Stu's car (which has TTE springs and that's all, IIRC) with Mark driving - it went round roundabouts *far* far faster than I would ever dare drive on the road as it was...
I suspect most of that would be down to the driver, his ability and confidence with the car.
Right on KJ, what's the point in having one if you can't mod it.
I know what you mean about the Tein's, I had great problems explaining the bill when it came through on visa s:oops: :oops: s:oops: Had to sell a few things on Ebay s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Quote from: "markiii"with regardsto Fronts strut brace if you have any car other than a very late 05 with the HUGE amount of extra bracing it will make a massive difference no matter what other bracing you have. 5mm movementin the top suspension towers is huge.
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Yep I can honestly say it makes a vast difference, I had the Teins fitted and it was great - but the rear veiw mirror was shaking all over the place, especially going around long fast bumpy bend, I put a Cusco on the front and the mirror does not move and the car feels 100% planted to the road s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I third the vote for the front strut brace. I put the Corky's and Che's on and it made a huge difference. But when I put the FSB on, it made just as much (subjective) improvement. Now there is very little scuttle shake and everything feels so much more planted.
Hi Steve
Fancy keeping in touch about this. Ive emailed everyone in ireland at this stage who sells teins, if we can get a good price on one we might get a better one for two.
Ill let you know as more quotes come in
Quote from: "kj"Hi Steve
Fancy keeping in touch about this.
Excellent. Maybe we could get a group buy going. Perhaps our friend up north with the TTE turbo will also be interested...
Mind, I'm not sure when I'm going to do a suspension upgrade. It might not be until April when my SSIA matures...
QuoteMind, I'm not sure when I'm going to do a suspension upgrade. It might not be until April when my SSIA matures...
Yeah Im supposed to be building a garage (with a pit naturally!!) and not bumming around looking at bits for the car.
Can anyone put me the right way as to what model cusco bar I need if I want to keep the front cover and whos the cheapest for it
Quote from: "Ernie Ball"Quote from: "juansolo"I could have really summed all that waffle with: If it ain't broke, why fix it? s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Not sure that the dictum is applicable here. We're not talking about things that are binary in nature (off/on, broken/fixed). We're talking about things for which there is a wide range of costs and benefits.
Sure, it isn't broken right out of the box. But it can always be improved. Hence the desire for further modifications.
Not binary as in bad/good. But there must be a reason and a goal otherwise why do it? Even if the reason is that you want it to roll a bit less, over/understeer a bit less/more, you want it to dive less under braking, it's ride is too soft/firm, you might want to bias it more to track or road, you might want a fully adjustable setup to do both or play around with, etc. The list goes on...
Quote from: "kj"Can anyone put me the right way as to what model cusco bar I need if I want to keep the front cover and whos the cheapest for it
I got mine from Japan try this site m http://www.takakaira.co.jp/ (http://www.takakaira.co.jp/) m
I think it cost me £100 sterling all in - no customs to pay normally they deliver within 2 weeks, the same bar over here is £125 plus delivery.
The model I've got is Part No 14664 Type OS Front Strut MR-S US$139
Hope this helps.
Rob
Thanks Rob,
In reply to Juan, I think with out realising you prob have a advantage on most of us.
I know I can only speak for myself but like many other Mr2 Roadster owners this is my first rear wheel, never mind mid engineered car, most of us havent extensive track time. We dont know if we want it to roll a bit less, over/understeer a bit less/more, you want it to dive less under braking, it's ride is too soft/firm, you might want to bias it more to track or road, .........were only begining to learn what we like
like I say I can only truly talk for myself but I imagine that the majority of us are in the same boat
Sorry for any spelling or puct. just back from bar!! (was good nite)
Fairy nuff. It's no secret that I'm not big on modding for the sake of it, but each to their own of course *thumbs up* That's not to say that it's not worth doing, not at all, I just have to have a reason to do it. My Mr2 for example had the MarkII induction pipe and TRD filter (because I couldn't hear the engine) and I ran it on Yokoneovas (because I cooked the Bridgestones and prefered the way the car handled on them). Had I kept it and kept tracking it, I might have had some work done on the suspension at some point. Good though it was, I'd have probably gone for something adjustable just so I could play around with it.
Other than appearance mods, I don't think anybody is modding for the sake of it.
If you want to adjust your suspension, it's because you want to lower the centre of gravity, reduce roll and squat and dive among other things. Wanting those aren't personal preferences: they are essential to making the car perform better. Ah, but what does "perform better" mean?
It's true that, if the goal is to go as fast as possible, driver instruction might be more helpful than modding the suspension. But then why buy a '2 (or any performance car) in the first place? Just take some driving lessons and drive an Avensis....
I think for most of us the goal isn't to go as fast as possible. The goal is to make the car as responsive as possible, so that it feels maximally integrated with both driver and road at any speed.
Because an Avensis isn't a very good track car, whereas the Mr2 is. Driver tuition can get you to the stage where the limiting factor is the car, then you mod/change the car. Even with the standard car, I suspect not everyone is actually exploiting what they've already got to it's potential.
Good discussion this! *thumbs up*
Quote from: "juansolo"Because an Avensis isn't a very good track car, whereas the Mr2 is. Driver tuition can get you to the stage where the limiting factor is the car, then you mod/change the car.
OK, but it only makes sense to talk about the "limiting factor" being the car if the goal is to go as fast as possible. If the goal is to make the car more responsive to the road (which can't be changed) and the driver (such as he/she is) so that the car is as "transparent" as possible and does what the driver wants it to do, then it doesn't make as much sense. If someone says "I want to make this car as responsive to my commands and the road as possible" it doesn't make much sense to say "work on yourself."
A car is a tool like any other. People want nice tools that are best suited for the job they do. All hammers hammer but some are better than others. If I have a bad one, I can always make adjustments in my hammering. I can "make do." Or I can upgrade the hammer. But if I choose to upgrade the hammer, it doesn't make too much sense to me for someone to say "you should have just improved your hammering to use that bad hammer to its full potential."
QuoteEven with the standard car, I suspect not everyone is actually exploiting what they've already got to it's potential.
Potential to do what? I think this only makes sense if you're thinking the goal is to drive as fast as possible. For me, that's a side effect of the integration of road and car and driver, which is the real goal.
Can you tell that I did philosophy at university? s:) :) s:)
QuoteCan you tell that I did philosophy at university?
Yeah its begining to show s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Agree with you though,
I know Im not driving my car to anywhere near its potential but unfortunatley my drive to work dosnt take me along the nurburguring!!
But I can feel the effect of the extra bracing going around a local roundabout at 40km. Im sure the car can take the turn much faster but Im not sure my licence could!!
Can't argue with philosophy, I took computer science at college so it's all one's and naughts for me s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Sorry to resurect an old thread but I've been looking at teins again! Just don't understand what the benifits of the upper mounts are. I have a vague understandin g that You can adjust camber with them, is this right?
Quote from: "kj"Sorry to resurect an old thread but I've been looking at teins again! Just don't understand what the benifits of the upper mounts are. I have a vague understandin g that You can adjust camber with them, is this right?
only on teh front
Quote from: "markiii"for what it's worth let me add a few more pennies
Toyota changed the shocks for 03 onwards and they are far better than pre03
for 90% of people with an 03 TTE springs will be more than enough. It's not far off Sportivo handling levels and is more comfortable for day to day driving to boot.
now if you've decided for one reason or another y0ou need more than that read on.
Sportivo is a great out of the box, no tweaking solution. it's very goo for both road and for track but has limitations for both as well. I'd like it harder on track and softer on the road. However if you have no requirement for adjustability and what fit and forget it can't be beaten.
If your prepared to or want to play with settings, like the idea of changing stuff when you feel like it, then the teins should be bought over the sprtivo as they are better in all respects and the same price for the most part these days.
with regardsto Fronts strut brace if you have any car other than a very late 05 with the HUGE amount of extra bracing it will make a massive difference no matter what other bracing you have. 5mm movementin the top suspension towers is huge.
oh and if you have the PPe and want a dual exhaust speak to Stu, he has a TTE for sale and it's the best exhaust IMHO with the PPE.
I've booked a track day which has got me thinking about what the best mods are for an 01 car to improve handling. However I also have to drive it every day and over speed bumps so what's my best option without spending too much (basically the best VFM upgrade)?
for an 01 car the best handling changes you can make is bracing
which is perfect timing see s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Thanks I saw this thread but I don't want to buy all the parts listed so I wondered is there one or maybe two items that will make the biggest diference?
Also I thought I read somewhere that there is a front strut available that still allows use of the cover to the boot?
Finally is it also worth considering TTE springs depending on their use on speed bumps and or bigger wheels and tyres e.g. the 17" SS ones (or are there disadvantages to increasing wheel and tye sizes?)
Sorry I know things like this have been discussed elsewhere but I haven;t seen much mentioned in relation to every day driving and any negatives to making these mods.
right then wheels, V springs
ask yourself what your trying to acheive?
I'm still no fan of 17"s on a roadster but if you have to do it teh SP wheels are teh least compromised without spending obscene money
if your just trying to fix teh lame wheel arch gap and reduce body roll teh TTEs are for you.
The TTEs will lower teh CG so expect slightly better handling but it's mostly cosmetic, it's just fortunate it doesn't compromise anything in acheiving that.
bracing wise if you have nothing other than stock at teh moment
I would suggest
MSMB
Front Strut
Front Member brace
in that order
all front struts allow you to retain teh bin, only teh cusco allows you to retain teh lid, that said in 2 years without mine it's never got wet yet.
what would I do first? its a tough choice, at teh moment I'd do teh bracing first because this GB is likely to be a one off for the moment.
Thats answered alot of questions thanks. Now I'll take a look at the braces on the GB
Thanks