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The Workshop => Audio / Security / Electrical => Topic started by: kanujunkie on October 10, 2003, 12:02

Title: Engine Start Button
Post by: kanujunkie on October 10, 2003, 12:02
Has anyone fitted an engine start button to their 2? got any details?  s:?: :?: s:?:
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Post by: markiii on October 10, 2003, 12:10
I got lucky, the dealer through this key thing when I bought mine.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2003, 12:14
here ya go!

 m http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3802 (http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3802) m

scroll down to see what someone else had done.

HTH
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Post by: kanujunkie on October 10, 2003, 13:44
cheers folks, i've just seen the price of the switch from Honda UK, £50!!!  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  how expensive, think this one may have to go on hold  s:( :( s:(
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2003, 13:48
Sorry to be argumentive but i dont mean to be LOL

But why go for a push start ????

It makes the car so much eaiser to splice and it dose look very nice i admit that but the secruity issuses are so much more !

I know that you could splice it into the imboliser But this will never give the same protectiona as a barrel !!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

Please somone enlighten me   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2003, 13:56
Would it not be more like the ones on the Focus RS? Turn the key to the ON position and instead of turning it again to start the engine, you would simply press the button....?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2003, 14:31
Thats what i wasnt sure about ???

Weather they do away with the barrel completely and just us the button i dont know

It would make more sence still using the key to turn the imboliser off then starting with the button   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2003, 14:40
Quote from: "Buster"Weather they do away with the barrel completely and just us the button i dont know

Your right, that would just be pointless... unless you had a fingerprint immobiliser!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

Quote from: "Buster"It would make more sence still using the key to turn the imboliser off then starting with the button   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

I think thats how they all work.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2003, 14:59
Enough of this foolishness!
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2003, 15:02
Quote from: "cstevens"Enough of this foolishness!

oi stranger! leave it or I'll come and tip some cows... then see whos laughing!   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2003, 15:24
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"
Quote from: "Buster"It would make more sence still using the key to turn the imboliser off then starting with the button   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

I think thats how they all work.

depends on how u want to go about it, i tha one with a polit switch which let u make do with out the key. simply flick the switch and push the button and your off...........yes yes not the best for keeping theif at bay....but mine did have an immoblisa which was linked to the remote door lock.
had this for 4 years on the FTO with no probs.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2003, 15:46
So you have done away woth your barrel then competely then???

If so surely all teh thief has to do is splice the acc from teh button to Ign on teh ingtintion loom which is the two wires out of teh 3 leading to the button for the car to start???

If so i think this is very foolish (dont take offense) but you have made your car very nickerbal!!!

My advise is try to at least tie it in witht eh output of the reomte door locking or as a 2nd imboliser so that not to contereact the two

Buster not very pleased witht this one   s:evil: :evil: s:evil:    s:evil: :evil: s:evil:    s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2003, 11:40
I guess if someone disabled the ability to turn the key and start the car, made it only possible to crank with the start button, and then hide it a bit -- it could provide some useful measure of security.  Otherwise it's just fluff.
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Post by: Tem on October 13, 2003, 12:19
Quote from: "143hawaii"I guess if someone disabled the ability to turn the key and start the car, made it only possible to crank with the start button

I thought those buttons do just that. Well, you can still physically turn the key, but the starter wire is rerouted to the button, so it won't start from the key.

I guess most like to make the button visible though...
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Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2003, 16:45
Quote from: "Buster"So you have done away woth your barrel then competely then???

If so surely all teh thief has to do is splice the acc from teh button to Ign on teh ingtintion loom which is the two wires out of teh 3 leading to the button for the car to start???

If so i think this is very foolish (dont take offense) but you have made your car very nickerbal!!!

My advise is try to at least tie it in witht eh output of the reomte door locking or as a 2nd imboliser so that not to contereact the two

Buster not very pleased witht this one   s:evil: :evil: s:evil:    s:evil: :evil: s:evil:    s:wink: :wink: s:wink:


this does sound foolish to make the car easy to nick. but it looked good   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:   and i'd all ways wanted to to do away with the key. it was connected to a 2nd imboliser but i did't care if the car was nicked (gave me an excuse to get the '2   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  
and thats y i wont be doing it 2 the '2
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Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2003, 16:48
Quote from: "Buster"Buster not very pleased witht this one   s:evil: :evil: s:evil:    s:evil: :evil: s:evil:    s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Not a man to displease is our buster!...I mean apart from the rugby frame, look at his bloody avanta!
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Post by: Tem on October 13, 2003, 17:48
Hmmmm...let's not confuse apples and oranges here.

If you have a stock ECU, I don't think it's possible to start the car without the key. Not even if you wire some button directly to starter. It will spin, but it won't start. If it did, anyone could nick the car by push starting it.
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Post by: markiii on October 13, 2003, 17:59
since the imobilisor is a transponder in the key, and doesn't rely on an electrical contact between the key and the barrel, I'd expect yor right.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2003, 19:38
Nice picture of a toyota start button on page 44 in the "car in front" toyota mag this month!  Will fit in well with the 03 model chrome dials.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2003, 19:51
Quote from: "cstevens"Nice picture of a toyota start button on page 44 in the "car in front" toyota mag this month!  Will fit in well with the 03 model chrome dials.

post a pic mate - everyone else except me seems to get this magazine! who the hell do i talk to to get it?!?
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Post by: markiii on October 13, 2003, 21:07
Quote from: "cstevens"Nice picture of a toyota start button on page 44 in the "car in front" toyota mag this month!  Will fit in well with the 03 model chrome dials.

but do you know what car it's from?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2003, 22:04
no...doest say
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Post by: SteveJ on October 13, 2003, 22:10
Quote from: "markiii"since the imobilisor is a transponder in the key, and doesn't rely on an electrical contact between the key and the barrel, I'd expect yor right.

The toyota transponder is AFAIK a 'dallas' one-wire device ie. it requires electrical contact with the ignition barrel.

VW/Audi use an RF device that doesn't require contact and can be a problem if you have keys to 2 different cars in close proximity (ie same keyring)
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Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2003, 22:19
Ok for the benifit of you who havent seen the stuff in this months mag, here we go.

This is to keep on topic...a start button..which I think will suit the 2 well.

(http://www.mr2-photos.co.uk/images/carinfront2.jpg)

This months new body kit

(http://www.mr2-photos.co.uk/images/carinfront1.jpg)

Next months new roadster

(http://www.mr2-photos.co.uk/images/carinfront3.jpg)
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Post by: Tem on October 14, 2003, 06:20
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"everyone else except me seems to get this magazine! who the hell do i talk to to get it?!?

Kris, there was a link to some subscription form here some two months ago. I filled it and have received two copies of this since, I'm sure you just have to say "I want one too" to get it. Check the contact info from older magazines.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2003, 08:14
Aint that the start button from the new yaris with its semi-automatic box?

cheers craig & tem... going to the dealer soon anyway so will have a moan at them then!   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2003, 12:55
this is what you want, it replaces the ciggy lighter: (http://www.chromdesign.de/large/starterknopf.jpg)
http://www.chromdesign.de/e3100101.htm
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Post by: Comer on October 14, 2003, 13:39
Any idea what those front spats from the new body kit look like?  I take it that they mean 2 parts and not a complete front spoiler???
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Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2003, 14:23
Quote from: "Comer"Any idea what those front spats from the new body kit look like?  I take it that they mean 2 parts and not a complete front spoiler???

horrible (IMHO) assuming its the one from the TRD kit (which the rest of it looks like it is) i would have the side skirts and rear kit, but the front looks a little ott from what ive seen.
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Post by: DAZ400 on November 3, 2003, 23:11
I have fitted a start button to mine just to make it a bit cool. I bought one of the blue LED switches Made by Savage from Ebay I still use the key because of the transponder to disengage the immobiliser so turn to position 2 then press the button to start it is very cool. The switch shorts 5 & 6 of the ignition switch but not directly it passes through a relay contact which is normally open unless the ignition is in position 2 and the the hand brake is on. so If you get in Car at night put key in ignition turn on to pos 2 Start switch lights up press switch engine runs in gear handbrake off engine start switch off, also stops drunk passengers from playing when they shouldn't. I will post a pic.  s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
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Post by: Anonymous on November 4, 2003, 13:20
post pics soon as it soudns very interesting   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2005, 20:56
It seems that most of the people adding to this thread have not attempted to fit a starter button and comments llike, 'it wont work with the ECU', and 'It makes it easy to splice' are not really helpful   s:? :? s:?  
Done correctly it wont effect security and has nothing to do with thw alarm or key transponder.

Its not everyones cup of tea but if you are interested in fitting one heres the deal....
I have just fitted a starter button today.
I used a Honda S2000 button its about the best quality you can get. Its really easy to fit just taps into 2 wires on ignition loom and + - direct from battery or fuse box. You still use the ignition key to turn on electrics and turn off imobiliser etc. The S2000 button is designed to replace a ciggy lighter but as this is a bit low down on the 2 I made up a alu mounting plate and mounted on the blank switch panel just left of the steering wheel. Looks dam coo and is quite flash when you have someone sat in the passenger seat, also it make you feel like you are starting up a Spitfire, Chocks away!!!!!!!    s:D :D s:D  

I got mine on Ebay as a kit complete with wiring, relay and instructions for wiring into MR2 Roadster from John Richardson at mx5alive (eBay ID) for £49.99 plus P&P  m http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 7955770147 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7955770147) m  
Anyone wanting more info give me a shout.
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Post by: kanujunkie on February 26, 2005, 07:53
You can if you have the time, replace the hazard lt switch for a starter button, as far as i'm aware the Richbrook one will fit. Then all you need is another switch to relocate the hazard light button.

for those interested in doing this, heres a quote from an old post on another site

QuoteI have fitted a start button to mine just to make it a bit cool. I bought one of the blue LED switches Made by Savage from Ebay I still use the key because of the transponder to disengage the immobiliser so turn to position 2 then press the button to start it is very cool. The switch shorts 5 & 6 of the ignition switch but not directly it passes through a relay contact which is normally open unless the ignition is in position 2 and the the hand brake is on. so If you get in Car at night put key in ignition turn on to pos 2 Start switch lights up press switch engine runs in gear handbrake off engine start switch off, also stops drunk passengers from playing when they shouldn't.
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Post by: Peter Wright on February 26, 2005, 10:49
Quote from: "kanujunkie"You can if you have the time, replace the hazard lt switch for a starter button, as far as i'm aware the Richbrook one will fit. Then all you need is another switch to relocate the hazard light button.

Yes the Richbrook does fit in a number of places
The reason I have one is that my MRs came without an alarm or immobiliser so if anyone tried to steal it, it would make it harder