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The Workshop => Audio / Security / Electrical => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 1, 2006, 16:23

Title: New front speakers, what to do?
Post by: Anonymous on August 1, 2006, 16:23
Following my 6x9's at the rear i would like to change my front speakers and i would like to ask a few questions.

1. How do you remove door pannel to get an access to the speakers? (my car is 00 reg if thats make any difference?)

2. what size would i need?

3. I want them to be on show ( i.e. not to have that standard black plastic cover) is that possible? If anyone done that can i see some pics please.


Thank you
xxx
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Post by: Anonymous on August 1, 2006, 17:07
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6.5inch (17cm) 2-way components.

Not sure about the plastic grill bit   s:? :? s:?
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Post by: philster_d on August 1, 2006, 17:26
theres a thread at the top of this forum with more info.

Im personaly looking at these

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Infinity Kappa, anyone know if they are good ?
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Post by: Draggon on August 1, 2006, 17:41
Infinities are good...had them in the Alfa....good sound good price  s:) :) s:)
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Post by: loadswine on August 1, 2006, 20:17
The "how to " on spyderchat worked a treat for me.
Phil those Infinitys are excellent, put some in my son's car. Crystal clear, sound just as good as my K series Focals in my 2.
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Post by: kanujunkie on August 1, 2006, 20:49
guys, do yourself a favour, go listen to a set of Rainbows, never heard anything come close to them and they're cheap as well

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Post by: roger on August 1, 2006, 21:09
Stu, sorry to be picky, are those Rainbows the same ones you have?

The tweeter is inside, not separate. How did you do it exactly?

Cheers

Roger
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Post by: kanujunkie on August 1, 2006, 21:25
Quote from: "roger"Stu, sorry to be picky, are those Rainbows the same ones you have?

The tweeter is inside, not separate. How did you do it exactly?

Cheers

Roger

i've not got any, my kit was in for 6 months before i found out about them. All i can say is go listen to some they are really excellent, wish i did have some. BTW dont go for they're top of the range speaker, 1 speaker £7K!!

as far as speakers with the tweeter attached as well, its just an extension of the magnet in the middle creating a post for it to sit on. My bazooka's were bought like it.
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Post by: philster_d on August 1, 2006, 21:27
I finaly ordered these ones

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A good price from what I could gather.

Watch this space.

/Philster.
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Post by: roger on August 2, 2006, 09:25
So have I. Conned by the blurb   s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  

I'll blame you Phil if they turn out cr*p.   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: philster_d on August 2, 2006, 09:33
Look Rog on Car Audio Direct (who I have previously used and recommended) they are 250 notes.

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Well I paid £99 what a coup   s:) :) s:)  

I also ordered a Infinity 4 ch amp and a 10" Phoenix DVC Sub.

Looking forward to getting them but once again got carried away by all you lot   s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  I was thinking on the way in... "hey but I never listen to the radio"    lol

Philster.
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Post by: Anonymous on August 2, 2006, 09:43
thanks guys, those infinity speakers look good, it will be shame to cover them up though.
When i get some i will try to fit them so they are on show
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Post by: Tem on August 2, 2006, 09:53
Quote from: "sexybrunette"it will be shame to cover them up though.
When i get some i will try to fit them so they are on show

Surely you can cut the plastic grill off, even if it's not detachable.  s8) 8) s8)

Then maybe cover the cut edge with a rubber...thing...whatever they are called in UK.  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  Don't have pics online about what I mean.
(haven't cut my speakers, but other plastics)
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Post by: roger on August 2, 2006, 10:07
OK, Phil and you guys out there, my ICE knowledge is zilch, so...

Firstly, because of the extra power required to support these babies do I HAVE to add an amp? Definitely not buying a Sub! Or do you think its a case of suck it and see?

If I do, is a 2 channel adequate for the 2 main + 2 tweeter speakers, or does each speaker need a channel? And if somebody can give me a quick rundown / lesson on external cross-overs, I will be eternally grateful.
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Post by: philster_d on August 2, 2006, 10:11
They have individual crossovers so you only need a single left and a right feed for them.

You dont need an amp but they will be ready when/if you decide to get one.

Phil
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Post by: roger on August 2, 2006, 10:16
As expected, but many thanks for confirming it Phil
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Post by: philster_d on August 2, 2006, 10:17
No problem check mine out some time and see if it helps the decision process.
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Post by: Tem on August 2, 2006, 11:37
Quote from: "philster_d"You dont need an amp

While that's 100% true, I'd say get one. The difference between running Infinity Kappa Perfect 6.1's (http://www.carreview.com/cat/car-audio/speakers/infinity/PRD_97641_1805crx.aspx) through stock radio or amp was huge, more than I ever thought, even on low sound levels. They just sound tons better with a good amp.
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Post by: roger on August 2, 2006, 12:51
Thanks Phil & Tem. I've already broken one promise to Alison about buying the speakers   s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  , so maybe the amp can wait   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

Once we are both all up and running it will be good to hear first hand the difference with or without the amp. as you can guess at our age volume and bass isn't everything!
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Post by: philster_d on August 2, 2006, 14:31
Wait till she goes out   s:) :) s:)  the speakers are in the doors - She'll never know.

How do you think I could ever justify the cost of the teins  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:      I just said the controller was something to do with the stereo "front and rear speakers"  hehe

*walks of whistling innocently*

/Philster.
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Post by: Anonymous on August 2, 2006, 15:32
Quote from: "philster_d".....How do you think I could ever justify the cost of the teins  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:      I just said the controller was something to do with the stereo "front and rear speakers"  hehe.........

  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:   That is pure genius!!!
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Post by: markiii on August 2, 2006, 16:18
Quote from: "philster_d"*waks of whistling innocently*

/Philster.

I'ms so hoping that was a typo  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
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Post by: ninjinski on August 2, 2006, 16:25
Quote from: "markiii"
Quote from: "philster_d"*waks of whistling innocently*

/Philster.

I'ms so hoping that was a typo  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:

ROTFL   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on August 2, 2006, 17:47
hahaha!!!!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: philster_d on August 3, 2006, 15:55
Heh

They were delivered today and very sexy looking they are too, susequently I cannot rule anything out at this stage    s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:  

Philbert
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Post by: roger on August 3, 2006, 16:20
Quote from: "philster_d"Heh

They were delivered today and very sexy looking they are too, susequently I cannot rule anything out at this stage    s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:  

Philbert

And mine!
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Post by: Liz on November 19, 2006, 00:17
Quote from: "kanujunkie"guys, do yourself a favour, go listen to a set of Rainbows, never heard anything come close to them and they're cheap as well

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Are these a direct replacement for the speakers which are already in the lower part of the doors?
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Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2006, 09:08
Hi Liz,

If they're 6.5", they will fit exactly where the originals are. All you need to do is make an adaptor out of 12mm MDF. If you have a jigsaw and a drill, you can do it. It's really not that hard.

The opening for the tweeter needs to be enlarged very slightly, but that canbe done with a stanley knife and some carful cutting.
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Post by: loadswine on November 19, 2006, 09:32
Liz , they will fit okay,but those speakers are coaxial, ie have the tweeter built into the speaker instead of locating it separately. The existing speakers are of the component type, where you get a woofer and a separate tweeter. Tend to be a bit more expensive.
Rainbows are supposed to be excellent.
I would always say , have a listen to some before buying, but if you want personal recommendations, I have Infinitys in my Altea and they are superb. Rainbows sound great in Stu's car and Focal K series were outstanding in my old 2.
I would look and see what deals can be done on price too, as that is always a factor. Minute details between speakers probably won't matter too much at motorway speeds with the top down.  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Liz on November 19, 2006, 12:20
Do you have to have the adapters? if I got a set of component speakers would they not just fit where the old ones were? Of course with half a tonne of dynamat shoved behind them!
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Post by: loadswine on November 19, 2006, 14:25
Yes, you will need the adaptors I would think, as there is unlikely to be enough depth behind them to clear the window otherwise. You can buy proprietary ones or make them up out of mdf. You can draw round the old speaker suuround for a template.
The components fit where the old ones did generally, but the tweeter diameter could be different. When i did my Focals, I used a glue gun to mount the tweeters on the outside mount of the original tweeter. Have a look at this little album to see if it helps at all.
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Post by: heathstimpson on November 20, 2006, 07:46
Don't forget Bostons Acoustics; awesome speakers  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:    s8) 8) s8)
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Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2006, 08:25
Quote from: "loadswine"Yes, you will need the adaptors I would think, as there is unlikely to be enough depth behind them to clear the window otherwise. You can buy proprietary ones or make them up out of mdf. You can draw round the old speaker suuround for a template.

I bought the Rainbow CSX265 component speakers and have been very happy with them. The tweeters can be mounted onto the existing brackets.

The original speakers have got a spacer built into them, if you don't mind wrecking the originals then just cut the paper cone away from the edge and then cut the rest of the speaker from the back - instant spacer.