Hello
After a long wait, i got myself some new rimms s8) 8) s8) s8) 8) s8) s8) 8) s8)
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I want to do my callipers next, how long does it take to dry? and what is the best stuff to use??
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caliper paint, and it depends on the weather! s:) :) s:)
Not to my taste I must admit, but as long as you're happy that's the main thing. What size tyres you running front and back, btw?
As for caliper paint, Halfrauds stuff is actually pretty good which makes a change, so might be worth popping down there tomorrow and grabbing a pot seeing as it's supposed to be a nice day all day! s8) 8) s8)
im not a big fan of aftermarket rims, but they look the BUSINESS.
as per calipers, see nelix
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Nice wheels I reckon they look good with the red. Foliatec paint is good although expensive £24 at Halfrauds. I saw the same at Carnoisseur for £19. Takes a good couple of hours to do and you need to not drive for 24hrs. You don't want brake dust on your nice new paint. Caliper stickers from Steve are really easy to apply and make a difference.
J spec badge next? and what about 03 vents? s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: spend spend apend
I found the best paint to use is the enamel paint in the small jars from homebase and B&Q - plasticoat I think?
Cheap, lasts forever and doesn't seem to burn-up from brake heat. Plus it dries in 15 minutes! Would recommend a couple of coats though.
Richie.
Edit - its plastikote and pictures of what you're looking for can be found on this link: m http://www.cornerhardware.com/index.php ... _6924_7578 (http://www.cornerhardware.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6746_6924_7578) m
Quote from: "Ekona"Not to my taste I must admit, but as long as you're happy that's the main thing. What size tyres you running front and back, btw?
As for caliper paint, Halfrauds stuff is actually pretty good which makes a change, so might be worth popping down there tomorrow and grabbing a pot seeing as it's supposed to be a nice day all day! s8) 8) s8)
The tyres are 205/40/17 on front and rear
Quote from: "sexybrunette"Quote from: "Ekona"Not to my taste I must admit, but as long as you're happy that's the main thing. What size tyres you running front and back, btw?
As for caliper paint, Halfrauds stuff is actually pretty good which makes a change, so might be worth popping down there tomorrow and grabbing a pot seeing as it's supposed to be a nice day all day! s8) 8) s8)
The tyres are 205/40/17 on front and rear
As you have probably read before you should never have the same width on the front and back; swop the backs for some 225's before it spins s:wink: :wink: s:wink: I like the rims by the way s8) 8) s8)
ever feel that people just don't listen to this advice heath s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I could almost sense that being the case, especially after seeing the Kumho tyres on...
As Heath says, do yourself a favour and ditch the rears now for bigger ones, or you will be seeing your car in a ditch at some point this winter. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
i quite like the rims .. nice s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "sexybrunette"The tyres are 205/40/17 on front and rear
As you have probably read before you should never have the same width on the front and back; swop the backs for some 225's before it spins s:wink: :wink: s:wink: I like the rims by the way s8) 8) s8) [/quote]
Quote from: "markiii"ever feel that people just don't listen to this advice heath s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
That's it... I've lost the will to live...
I have lost count of the number of times I have written the very same statement regarding the front/rear tyre size differential. A quicj search reveals about a dozen incidences on the first page alone. I really cant be arsed to explain it all again, but It seems that people are unable to comprehend that the round shiny things wrapped in rubber are for anything other than looking good when reflected in shop windows... People, those insignicant and annoyingly expensive bits of rubber are the only thing keeping you on the road and out of the casualty unit. Fit the wrong sizes and expect to see street furniture up close and personal very soon indeed. Personally, I'd rather spend the extra £50 getting the right rubber, rather than writing off my car, or placing myself and my passenger in danger/hospital/traction/intensive care/a wheelchair, or a coffin... Spend the money, or put Darwin in the driving seat...
Thats it, I am unwilling to risk repetetive strain injury and carpal tunnel by writting about this subject any more. If people get hurt/maimed/scarred, disfigured/disabled or financially inconvienienced, then they cant say they weren't warned... Short of beating them around the head with a (correctly sized and inflated) Goodyear F1 I can do no more.... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
(S.B. None of this is specifically, or directly aimed at you, so please dont take my ranting as anything other than my desire to save you from skin grafts. However, in the name of vanity, after many other members have done the same and paid with a bare minimum of their no claims bonus, you have just fitted shiny rims with shit tyres, thus sacrificing the handling and safety of your car for "looking good"... So, if the cap fits.... )
P.S. This is my personal opinion on the matter, and is not in any way anything to do with MR2ROC, so if anyone really disagree's with what I've said, you can take it up with me directly. Dont expect much sympathy though, I know damn well that I'm right.
P.P.S. Yes, I know I have a poor attitude. Get over it...
they dont do 225/40/17
can i have 215/40/17?
it's better than what you have, but still not ideal,
thats said I ran that stagger for a year with no issues
what you really want is 225/35/17
Quote from: "markiii"what you really want is 225/35/17
I could't agree more!
Maybe flog the Kuhmos on ebay and buy some decent rubber e.g. Toyo Proxys for about £200 ?
Do Toyo do a Proxy T1-R 225/35/17 tyre? Cos I thought they didn't.
Phil
Remember sexybrunette Slurpy ignored the advise about putting the same size rubber on his new 17 inchers and ended up writing it off. His brother wrote loads on here saying everyone was scare mongering; but the proof was with the result. The car ended in a ditch; at least he was all ok.
toyo dont do 225/35/17 unfortunatly.
dunlop sp900 are a good bet.
i am currently running hankooks and not have any problems.
ordered from mytyres.co.uk £65 per tyre.
just remember to make sure that when you sort teh sizes your tyres are still teh same brand all round
I was a bit pigheaded about this earlier in the year. I enjoyed the car with wider front (to match the rear) but that was in the summer on very grippy roads.
I speak as having just come unscathed from a snap 720 (yes 720) spin....... Wasn't a nice experience I can tell you - especially as you see hedge, then wall, then hedge pirouetting past the windscreen. This was in my 1 day old Ford Racing Puma - and I wasn't caning it.
I can only assume (hope) I hit a diesel spill. Anyway, point of the story is that this 'snap' stuff is horrid - and in variable conditions at this time of year, its well worth heeding advice - and slowing down. Having the right tyres may not prevent the extreme stuff - but you'll be in a much better position to avoid ending up in the wall s:( :( s:(
Happy 2ing!
I hope to rejoing the fold just as soon as I have this noisy blue thing out of my system. s:D :D s:D
Aye - snap oversteer is a killer (literally), and it gets 'snappier' as you move the grip forward. Although I've driven cars that are 'snappier' than the MR2 - short wheelbase front engined cars particularly (or anything French with a torsion beam at the back!)..
Power-induced oversteer, however, is fun s;) ;) s;) (as anyone who saw me joining the M4 last Tuesday can vouch for.. s:lol: :lol: s:lol: )
SB -
Just want to say two things
1. Like the rims. s8) 8) s8)
2. Ditch the tyres before they ditch you. s:x :x s:x
Seriously,I can only agree with everyone elses comments, those tyres are s**t !
Type my-tyres into your google and see what comes up. I had a quick look for 225/35/17 for you - they show a range of summer tyres, which although not ideal for a lot of winter driving ( are you going to be doing much ?) they would be considerably better than what you have now.
You can sell the originals easily enough on ebay. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
So which Kumho Ecsta they are anyway? That's all I can see on my screen. s:? :? s:?
Some of them are actually way better than say Toyo T1-R. s;) ;) s;)
I run Kumho Ecsta's on my Volvo. They are not that bad!
In the picture it looks like they are rated at 80H - its the only bit i can read. I thought tyres for the 2 needed to be V rated?
Quote from: "Jaso"I run Kumho Ecsta's on my Volvo. They are not that bad!
In the picture it looks like they are rated at 80H - its the only bit i can read. I thought tyres for the 2 needed to be V rated?
they do
For the sort of money you are going to be pay for this wheel and tyre combo, you are "unlikley" (read: absolutley no way on earth...) to be getting the cream of Kumho's range of sporting rubber. Its a fact that many members here have spent the £500-ish that this wheel-tyre combo would have cost on tyres alone... When you pay budget money, you rarely get decent performance, but even if you do, its doing you no good to have bought the wrong sizes, as you cant safely extract any of the performance anyway. Obvioulsy the main point of consideration here is SB's safety. If I were in her shoes (not that they'd suit me - its doubtful they'd match my handbag), I'd flog the rubber she has fitted, and get some proper tyres, yes it'll be a bit of a sting, but if it keeps her out of the hospital, its more than worth it...
Secondary considerations:
Speed rating: H rated tyres are good for 130mph, but from a "covering your arse" point of view, you should never fit tyres of a lower speed rating than the manufacturer has reccomended. This "could" have ramifications in the event of insurance claim (ironically made more likely by fitment of wrong sized rubber)... Insurance assesor see's wrong rated tyres on car = insurance companycrawls out of claim in usual fashion of slimey money grabbing bastards out for a quick buck.... I have no idea of the legal standing of this argument, but I'd bet my last £5 note that your average loss adjuster on a tight margin would give it a try... Its also worth considering weather you could get a refund on the tyres on these grounds?
Wieght: What do these rims wiegh? My guess, at £500 a set inc. tyres, is LOTS... Weight kills performance...
Locking wheelnuts: Might be worth investing in a set there SB. False economy not to in my opinion....
s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
i have the standard 2003 5 spoke wheels. what size tyres do i need. i am getting the toyo proxies( on markiii's advice) cos i am currently running yoko's on the front and bridgestones on the rear(car purchased like that).
Quote from: "dan1111"i have the standard 2003 5 spoke wheels. what size tyres do i need. i am getting the toyo proxies( on markiii's advice) cos i am currently running yoko's on the front and bridgestones on the rear(car purchased like that).
A search reveals the answer :
195/50/15 front
and
225/40/16 rear
This is what I am running.
yeah sorry, i keep forgetting about search.
I wonder if SB might feel a little down after seeing some of the comments on here. Please don't, the fact that so many members are posting here with sound advice means they care about your welfare and don't want you to suffer adverse effects from your mod.
Quote from: "GSB"Speed rating: H rated tyres are good for 130mph, but from a "covering your arse" point of view, you should never fit tyres of a lower speed rating than the manufacturer has reccomended. This "could" have ramifications in the event of insurance claim (ironically made more likely by fitment of wrong sized rubber)... Insurance assesor see's wrong rated tyres on car = insurance companycrawls out of claim in usual fashion of slimey money grabbing bastards out for a quick buck.... I have no idea of the legal standing of this argument, but I'd bet my last £5 note that your average loss adjuster on a tight margin would give it a try...
Over here we have to have a sign/print/whatever in the cabin, so that any possible driver can see it. If the tyres under the car have lower speed rating than supposed to that is. It's quite hilariois to see some "MAX SPEED xxx KMH" labels in a car that could never reach that anyway. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Wonder if the same would apply in UK? At least that should keep the insurance companies happy. (or unhappy, not being able to void payments)
Quote from: "loadswine"I wonder if SB might feel a little down after seeing some of the comments on here. Please don't, the fact that so many members are posting here with sound advice means they care about your welfare and don't want you to suffer adverse effects from your mod.
I dont relly. The tyres that i have not that bad at all.
The fact is that i had 185 front and 205 on my stock wheels and it didnt seem to make a difference when i span my car, so to me it doesnt make any sence.
oh well, fair enough,
will you be wanting grapes, chocolates or flowers?
Quote from: "sexybrunette"Quote from: "loadswine"I wonder if SB might feel a little down after seeing some of the comments on here. Please don't, the fact that so many members are posting here with sound advice means they care about your welfare and don't want you to suffer adverse effects from your mod.
I dont relly. The tyres that i have not that bad at all.
The fact is that i had 185 front and 205 on my stock wheels and it didnt seem to make a difference when i span my car, so to me it doesnt make any sence.
Yes but now it will be even easier to spin your car than before. you may have spun before but now it will be a lot lot easier to spin. Honestly do believe everything you have read. There are a lot of wise "old" men on here s:wink: :wink: s:wink: (sorry guys) s:) :) s:)
wise old men are starting to feel like they are discussing teh emporers new clothes here Ed
I have had a few tail happy moments, and i can feel the difference in grip. I know for a fact that if the tyres had been same all way round the balance would of been shifted and it wouldnt have been so progressive and catchable! thank god for staggered tyres...
Quote from: "sexybrunette"I dont relly. The tyres that i have not that bad at all.
The fact is that i had 185 front and 205 on my stock wheels and it didnt seem to make a difference when i span my car, so to me it doesnt make any sence.
So you'll just ignore the advice of peers in the know, and blow the thousands of man hours poured into the development of the ride and handling dynamics of your car, and just go with a random set of tyres. There ok though because you cant see any reason why they shouldnt be. After all, they're round and black and rubbery...
Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it isn't so...Well done, you've ruined your car, made it dangerous as hell to drive, and made it handle, accelerate and change direction like a drunk dog. A worthwhile modification I'm sure I dont agree...
SB... I, along with all the others here, have made my point, and I refuse to beat my head against the wall any longer...
Please, take the stand, Mr. Charles Darwin...
Quote from: "markiii"wise old men are starting to feel like they are discussing the emporers new clothes here Ed
Wonder if we could get Sb to wear the emporers new clothes lol.
Seriously though SB these guys know what they are talking about, listen to the advice and please get your tyres staggered.
so, should i just change all tyres for different brand tyres, or change the rears for 225/35/17 or 215/40/17
since they don't meet the speed rating change the lot.
you should have 205/40/17 front and 225/35/17 rear, though if you really struggle with the 225/35 a 215/40 will be ok at a push
all 4 tyres should be the same brand, and model
all should be at least V rated.
actual brand is much a personal choice so whilst you will find many recomendations on here most things will be ok, other than really bad budget stuff like nankangs
how do you know if they are V rated?
It's part of the size of the tyre e.g. 195/65R15H (H-rated).
195 is the width in mm
65 is the ratio of width to tyrewall height
15 is the wheel rim size in inches
H is the speed rating
mine are H?! thats not bad is it?
http://www.mytyres.co.uk/start.html
there you go to get you started.just put in the tyre size you require from the drop down menu (suggest you try the backs first 225/35/17. v rating above 149mph) then find a match for the fronts.
hope this helps.
p.s. like the wheels s:D :D s:D
what you need to remember is that speed ratings are an indicator of teh tyres dynamic performance, hence just because you don't drive at that speed is not a reason to ignore it. The integrity of a tyre is tested by many factors, such as cornering, in addition to speed. So if toyota reccomend a given rating, stick to or exceed it. Speed is just an easy way to categorise them.
H is worse than V, V is worse than W, W is worse than Z
if necessary the front and rears can be different ratings as long as all are at least the minimum rated for the car.
Quote from: "sexybrunette"mine are H?! thats not bad is it?
On a car where H rated tyres are specified no. On a car where V rated tyres are specified the two immediate problems are a) they could fail at high speed b) the use of lower specification tyres could invalidate your insurance.
The tyre speed rating is the maximum speed that the manufacturer recommends the tyre be used at, H rating has a max speed of 130mph whilst V rating is 149mph.
Posted my experience with same sized tyres over here:
m http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13362 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13362) m
Be careful with them. Very careful. s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "Moleshome"Quote from: "sexybrunette"mine are H?! thats not bad is it?
b) the use of lower specification tyres could invalidate your insurance.
Which you could potentially try and save some money by going back to where you brought the wheels from and tell them that they dont meet the min spec for the car and you want them to change them for proper stuff that way you will only have to pay the difference. its just an idea.
Check this out Linky (http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbibles/tyre_bible.html). Probably too much info but very very helpfull
Quote from: "markiii"what you need to remember is that speed ratings are an indicator of the tyres dynamic performance, hence just because you don't drive at that speed is not a reason to ignore it. The integrity of a tyre is tested by many factors, such as cornering, in addition to speed. So if toyota reccomend a given rating, stick to or exceed it. Speed is just an easy way to categorise them.
H is worse than V, V is worse than W, W is worse than Z
if necessary the front and rears can be different ratings as long as all are at least the minimum rated for the car.
What is the minimum rated for the car?
whats it say in your handbook?
i ve got V in the book is that what you mean by car standard?
sorry i sound like a plonka but i have no clue
thats teh one
kj, that's a great site. I learned...stuff.
Si
would i have to change alloys for the back if the tyre is 225 or 215?
Nope.
well ideally yes, but thats a bit overkill really a 7" rim is within the acceptable parameters for a 225 tyre, just
If they are 7" rims SB could go 195 front 215 rear keeping a reasonable 20mm difference. I have 195's on my fronts which are 7" with no problems. This gives the option of T1R's then which is what I have.
Deacon
so your running 195/45/17 up front?
thats should work
As i have been away for a while this responce may seem a little late ,,,,,,,,,, s:) :) s:) ,,but hey,NICE WHEELS,,poor choice of rubber s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
markiii, mine are 195/45/16 up front and 215/40/17 rear.
I actually had to go and look at the wheels for this as well - I'm 28 and have a memory like a goldfish s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Deacon
ah, since she has 17" all round thats buggered then
Yeah my bad. I was thinking that Toyo's were available in a 195/40/17 but they aren't. Ah well was a thought.
Deacon
I was looking at 17's back in February - i ran into the same old problems with getting the tyre sizes correct and actually finding them - esp 215's if you go with 195's at the front.
In the end i gave up and stuck with my stock 15's and had them refurbed - I decision with hindsight i'm very happy with mainly thanks to the advice i got on this site.
The rims look great IMO but i wouldn't want the extra weight they bring.
Quote from: "Jaso"The rims look great IMO but i wouldn't want the extra weight they bring.
Then you could buy Silverstone Performance's 17" wheels, or something lightweight like Oz Ultraleggera's or go for one of the Japanese lightweight, super expensive brands like Volk.
Phil
I checked my tyres for this thread.
I am running 17's
205 40 17 zr Dunlop sports front
225 35 17 zr Dunlop sports rear
*edit* Dunlop SP SPORT 9000 */edit*
I havent had a single problem from these tyres, pretty amazing but cost around £400 iirc
Philster