basically how should you drive a six speed if you have been used to driving a 5 speed?!
can you readline each gear in the same way as in the five gear box?
Quote from: "bossman23780"basically how should you drive a six speed if you have been used to driving a 5 speed?!
can you readline each gear in the same way as in the five gear box?
Personally I drive gears 1-5 as I did with the 5 speed (except now I try to drive to my torque curve since having the TTET installed) - 6 in my mind is a motorway cruising or fuel saving gear s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
has the 6 speed got a slightly higher top speed and when are you supposed to change gear, is it at the same change as with the 5?!
im struggling to understand the gains of a six speed, especially if you chose an SP240 package that would negate the early change because you could keep the power on right up to the readline?!
Not so sure - but mind you would be hitting well over 130mph at that stage in 5th regardless!!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
... is that all! you slow coach s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
gears 1-5 in a 6 speed box is the same as the 5 gears in a 5 speed box, so you'd drive them the same but when a 5 speed box runs out of gears a 6 speed box still has another
That was almost Spinal Tap-esque Stu! s:) :) s:)
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I've been thinking about doing the swap myself. I do alot of motorway miles and would love the extra gear but then I love the position of reverse in the five speed.
One question. Does the six speed box have an LSD? sure I read it somewhere.
all uk roadster boxes have an lsd
All UK EU gearboxes do. Jap US ones had it as an option.
*EDIT* Too slow s:( :( s:(
all uk spec cars have an LSD
iirc the LSD is seperate from the gearbox anyway, but dont quote me 100% on that
Still, not as slow as Stu s;) ;) s;)
ya buggers **shakes fist in the air**
s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "kanujunkie"iirc the LSD is seperate from the gearbox anyway, but dont quote me 100% on that
It's inside the same casing, but it's not really part of the 'gearbox', if you see what I mean.. You can change it without having to dismantle drive gears, but it's not exactly an operation for the novice IIRC.
Toyota only really mentioned the LSD when the facelift was released hence a lot of people quote it arrived with the 03s.
However, the LSD has always been there.
Cheers guys. So are you saying I've got one then. LOL.
So am i right to believe it's got it's own oil cavity? Hmm maybe thats where the oil is leaking from.
Quote from: "custardavenger"So am i right to believe it's got it's own oil cavity? Hmm maybe thats where the oil is leaking from.
LSD is inside the transmission, it's using the same oil with it.
Quote from: "Tem"Quote from: "custardavenger"So am i right to believe it's got it's own oil cavity? Hmm maybe thats where the oil is leaking from.
LSD is inside the transmission, it's using the same oil with it.
Yeah. just had a look at it in the manual. Guess I'll split the box when I do the clutch/flywheel.
Ta
Quote from: "custardavenger"Quote from: "Tem"Quote from: "custardavenger"So am i right to believe it's got it's own oil cavity? Hmm maybe thats where the oil is leaking from.
LSD is inside the transmission, it's using the same oil with it.
Yeah. just had a look at it in the manual. Guess I'll split the box when I do the clutch/flywheel.
Ta
The clutch and flywheel are accessible when the transaxle has been separated from the engine.
The differential is not.
Based on your post I'd warn you off going in past replacing the clutch.
Don't worry WTS, I've done a couple of gearboxes before and though I don't know much about the 2's box now. I'll do my homework before I start.
Can't just ignore an oil leak.
Dumb question of the day:
How do you determine whether a 'box (off the car) is 5 or 6 and if it has LSD? They all look the same to me s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "spit"How do you determine whether a 'box (off the car) is 5 or 6 and if it has LSD? They all look the same to me s:? :? s:?
See if you can find 5 or 6 gears (and reverse) with the selector shaft? s8) 8) s8)
Reverse is opposite on them.
5sp is away from the driver and back.
6sp is towards the driver and forward.
Of course, over there its just the opposite from that.
5sp will be towards the driver and back.
6sp will be away from the driver and forward.
If its out of the vehicle its tricker as they share housings. All 6speeds will have "C60" stamped in multiple places but so will the 5sp. However, on the USDM 5SP theres a "C15" on the outside wherease the 6sp has C60 in the same spot.
You can also compare shift selector shaft housings if you know what at least one of them looks like.
For the LSD they only sure way short of disassembly is to look thru the transaxle from the axle holes. If you can see daylight then no LSD. If its completely blocked its because of the LSD.
The method where one puts both wheels in the air and spins one of them doesnt always provide conclusive results. Sometimes both wheels will spin the same way sometimes they wont. Depends on whether the LSD requires some torque difference in order to 'engage'.
So does the 6 have a higher final drive ratio or not ?
This is my understanding of the final drive ratios.
Euro 6SP has a higher ratio (lower numerically) of 3.94
IDK what the Euro 5SP is.
USDM 6SP is lower (higher numerically) at 4.5
USDM 5SP 4.31 MR2
USDM 5SP 3.94 '03+ Corolla
USDM 5SP 3.7X '98-'02 Corolla.
A 3.7/3.94 FD in an N.A. car will be slower off the line and generally not as fun to drive as a 4.3 or 4.5 but is excellent for a turbo car.
Final ratios are not swappable between 5sp and 6sp but you can swap 5 to 5 and 6 to 6.Over here theres at least one turbo owner thats using the spyder 5SP gears with the pre-2003 Corolla final drive.