As I said before, I am looking to upgrade the anti-roll bars (swaybars) on my "2".. so I sent an email to Job @ Whiteline UK and enquired about them.
This is the part numbers of what I will hopefully be getting...
Swaybars... BFT81Z front - 22mm adjustable
BTR84Z rear - 18mm adjustable
W0007 - swaybar link bush kit (for OE droplinks.. I won't be getting these....)
ALIGNMENT PRODUCTS...KCA414 front camber bolt kit - 14mm
KCA415 rear camber bolt kit - 15mm
I also asked if they do uprated droplinks and got this reply....
QuoteWe also manufacture uprated, adjustable, rosejointed links. But I would need to see the OE droplinks for measurement to determine which ones will fit your car..
(... because I hope to get these)
I will hopefully order these next week, I will then let you know how I get on with reguards to the prices etc.
The camber kit isn't listed on the price list on their website.. but the part number are above incase any of you are thinking about getting them... I will try and find out the part number for the droplinks too and add them to this post as soon as i know.
Had this work carried out today, not had much of a play as yet.. hopefully tomorrow. On the way home I felt a slight difference in the way the car handles, but the twisties is where i should notice it more s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Prices...
BTR81Z - Front swaybar £135 (incl VAT)
BTR84Z - Rear swaybar £135
W0007 - universal swaybar link pack £8
KCA414 - Adjustable camber bolt kit 14mm £43
KCA415 - Adjustable camber bolt kit 15mm £46
KLC40/195 - Link kit Universal Ball Joint 195/122MM £93
Altogether just under £500 fully fitted with the full geometrics set for a neutral setup
just go round a roundabout, thats where i first felt the difference with the TRD ones, the car just doesn't want to lean in at all and you'll feel the effects in the sideways g-forces
Quote from: "kanujunkie"you'll feel the effects in the sideways g-forces
Great, best I don't get any then.. I already practically fall out of the car as it is s:lol: :lol: s:lol: (must be all that mass translated into a sideways force!)
how does it feel now vvt-i?
Its wet up here tonight.. but it deffinately feels stiffer s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Quote from: "VVT-i"Its wet up here tonight.. but it deffinately feels stiffer s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Too many jokes. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Here are some piccies....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/cfc/PICT0151.jpg)
Front bar and droplink bush kit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/cfc/PICT0146.jpg)
Rear bar, camber bolt kit and droplinks.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/cfc/PICT0145.jpg)
Rear droplinks and bar.
I take it those are the 3 way adjustables tthen?
They are adjustable, as are the droplinks.
Quote from: "VVT-i"KLC40/195 - lINK KIT UNIVERSAL BALL JOINT 195/122MM £93
Now this is nice.
old thread but did you ever reach a conclusion about the bang for the buck here?
whiteline stuff seems to be well priced - my other question, is it worth paying extra for the adjustable ones? I take it you just connect the ARB to different positions on the adjustable ones to change the angle that they sit? other question, will the non-'beefy' 2srus ARB links be fine for either adjustable or non-adjustable versions?
Bang for buck has to be the best modification I've done.
If you aren't paying much more then get the adjustable ones... 2 reasons, 1.. handy for the odd track day if you wan't to stiffen things up... 2.. If you find them too stiff/loose for yoir liking/driving style then you can adjust them.
To adjust them you just bolt the droplink into a different hole on the bar, what this does is lengthen/shorten the "lever" part of the bar making it stiffer or softer. I'll try to explain that incase your not sure how they work.
As the car corners it tries to twist the bar by pushing and pulling on the "legs" of the bar, adjusting the lenght of the leg tightens/loosens the bar... the shorter it is the stiffer it is and it will take more effort to twist it, the longer it is the looser it will be less effort is required to twist it. The actual angle that the bar sits at doesn't change.
I haven't seen the 2's r us droplinks so can't comment.. but I don't think there is much difference in the price between them and the adjustable whiteline links, which as you have seen are quite beefy.
For prices try contacting Automotive Services in Dunfermline (where I got mine fitted) 01383 738077, They should have my details (as per my PM to you) on record so they can price you on record. Or... contact Whiteline UK direct on 01383 820820 and ask for Sandy or Job (pronounced Yob)
Fom experience i can say the Whiteline items are actually better than the twos-r-us items for a couple of reasons;
1. With the current exchange rate the price difference isn't worth worrying about.
2. If anything goes wrong with them, a company in the UK is infinitely better to deal with than one outside the UK.
3. The Whiteline items have full and proper dust covers to protect the bearings.
4. The Whiteline droplink bearings are much beefier and therfore stronger and less prone to wear.
5. The Whiteline droplink adjusters actually work.
Ok, more than a couple of reasons. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
If i had the choice to make again i would go with Whiteline.
aye but i've already got 2srus ones fitted so will i need to replace them?
No, not really necesary, I'll only ever replace my 2s-r-us ones if they fail (like one already did).
I've got 2's-r-us droplinks with Cusco adjustable ARB, that ARB is 3-way adjustable just like the Whiteline ones.
The ARB does make an incredible difference to the cornering of the car, definitely worth doing imho s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Whiteline have a good rep on the web, don't know about Cusco, i did my buying wihout doing enough research obviously but the result works well for me.
Well, the remaining original 2s-r-us droplink has started to knock.
I guess i'll be moving to Whiteline as soon as i can afford them s:x :x s:x
Are all these things a good idea for NA car?
I have corkys, front and rear strut and che rear brace?
They're a good idea for any car!
Worth a GB as there are quite a few listed for the droplinks in the current thread?
Quote from: "uktotty"Are all these things a good idea for NA car?
I have corkys, front and rear strut and che rear brace?
You are talking two different things here Russ, you are talking bracing this is about anti roll bars which is part of the suspension.
Rob.
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"Well, the remaining original 2s-r-us droplink has started to knock.
I guess i'll be moving to Whiteline as soon as i can afford them s:x :x s:x
Is it the front that have gone Nic or the back, I'm still running the original ones I brought 3 / 4 years ago, they still seem as good as new.
Rob.
It's the back ones Rob, when i got the replacement (i had to pay for) for the first one that failed i notices the threaded bolt was marginally larger than the originals sent from 2s-r-us. I reckon he had a cheaper batch and i got them - not impressed and my money won't be going to him again.
At least the Whiteline items come with dust covers.
Trouble is i've just paid for 2 new front tyres (yes i'm going doing to 45 profile) and a full set of disks and pads which it turns out i don't immediately need.
Mine have now been on for nearly 3 years without any problems whatsoever. I don't know what difference they make on their own but you can tell simply by looking at them that they are a lot better than the standard links.
Getting the whiteline stuff has to be the best bang per buck modification I've done, would highly reccomend them.. it's just a pity they aren't on the outside covered in chrome or something to show them off lol.
Nic, if your going to get some Whiteline ones I would be in for some as well as I got an advisory on one of the rears on last years MOT - so I was planning to pick up a rear sway bar and droplinks and do it all in one fell swoop. I would defo be up for a group buy if we can get the interest.
I would offer to run a GB myself but I am so busy with work I wouldnt be sure of being able to dedicate the necessary time and dont want t let anyone down - anyone fancy starting one?!
hi guys, hoping someone can point me in the right direction with this please?
just looking on MWR and it seems that when it comes to suspension, CHE offer the following...
trailing arms
track arms
control arms
questions are....
1.which one of the above 3 is the "american" name for drop link?
2. if I were to buy the whiteline drop link foe there aparent superior design etc, can I still fit the other 2?
3. what exactly do each of them do? I know MWR give you a brief description of their purpose, already got whiteline adjustable ARB's to go on, along with 2's r us beefy bar upgrade kit,
any help would be great, thanks very much s:) :) s:)
OK let me see if this helps
If you look at the photo you will see two tiebars or arms, which are blue in colour, there is a third one which you can't see which in in front of the green strut, these are the arms you are talking about, the one nearest the camera is the "control" (or toe as we can sometimes call it) the next one in the "camber" and the third which you can't see is the "trail".
The drop link is the silver coloured bar which comes off the green strut (shock absorber) vertically and connects to the anti roll bar (black).
I hope this helps.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h70/FGRob/IMG_0448.jpg)
brilliant explination FGROB, thank you so much, that has cleared things up for me. thank you s:) :) s:)
I now have the Whiteline stuff for the rears sat on the kitchen table - possibly going to have a go to fit tomorrow weather and time dependent - if not it will be Tuesday or Wednesday next week. I dont suppose you know or remember what size nuts and bolts you used for the droplinks and ARB do you? I can trial and error it whilst fitting but would be much better if I knew which ones to have beforehand!!
Also - with the rear which 'hole' did you go for and how did you find it? I'm not sure how stiff to set it (again, I can trial and error this to find out which is most suited for me - just be nice to have a starting point!!)
Cheers
Carl
You have a PM.
No Idea on the nut type, but a 17mm socket fits nicely over the nut. I have my bars set to the 2nd stiffest setting... the 2nd hole from the bend in the bar. On that setting I find the car handles fairly well with next to no bodyroll (street driving) whilst still retaining a good level of feel and comfort. I've never tracked the car so I haven't pushed it to the limits, so I don't know how much bodyroll I would have then.
When I got them fitted I asked for a geometry check and adjustment, I asked for a nutreal set up, which is no understeeer and no oversteer... car handles nicely IMO.
So - had these fitted now for a couple of weeks, it hasn't been without issues though - although not with the parts themselves. Once fitted found that my exhaust under vibration rubbed against the new ARB - I have to assume it was always close and with the increased diameter I now get metal to metal contact. Have had to play around with moving the exhaust hangers around and what not ( I have a twin pipe system). Still not got it perfect, however I have eliminated the rattle against the ARB - just created another one elsewhere!!
Looks like the trial and error will continue until I get it right.
Am quite happy with the results, i will definately be getting the front one done at some stage - in an ideal world they would have been done together but alas - needed to get the rear done to pass the MOT (actually just needed the droplinks but while they were off it seemed dumb not to change it out at the same time).
man, Whiteline's ARBs have gone way up in price.
First post said £135 for each bar. Now £173.76 and £153.53 front and rear!
A 21% increase s:( :( s:(
couple of quid cheaper on whitelines website
Whiteline UK are no longer though, unless someone else has taken it on.. Job Geevers used to run it from Dalgety Bay in Fife, but gave it up a while ago.
Quote from: "Kool PT"man, Whiteline's ARBs have gone way up in price.
First post said £135 for each bar. Now £173.76 and £153.53 front and rear!
A 21% increase s:( :( s:(
Where was that from as I paid less than that from DT a few weeks ago???
Think it was Hyeline, have since found this though m http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/prod ... mber=58860 (http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=58860) m these guys have adjustables cheaper and non-adjustables for considerably less.
according to Camskill they have stopped producing the fronts! And there is no stock of the rears
I recently bought my rears from Balance Motorsport - nice guys to deal with and quick delivery ... all you need to do is find the bolts.
If you go from the part code it's a universal item rather than specific to the MR2, very nice quality and robust looking.
Still trying to figure out what to do about the fronts.
Wabbit according to the link I posted they have front/rear adjustable AND non-adjustable, do you know of anything else to suggest they don't carry full stock?
I actually tried adding the fronts to my cart as well, no 'out of stock' messages or anything...
Does anyone know of a reason that I wouldn't be happy with the non-adjustable type?
My car is now no longer required as a daily/practical vehicle and is shortly having a 1MZ-FE fitted. For the sake of shaving a hundred quid off the price I'm thinking just go with the non-adjustables?
Quote from: "Kool PT"Does anyone know of a reason that I wouldn't be happy with the non-adjustable type?
If you got adjustables ones, how often are you actually going to adjust them?
I got mine fitted (adjustable) and it was a case of fit a forget. The non adjustable ones will (or should be) stiffer than the standard bar, so you've got to ask yourself if you think that it would be stiff enough for your requirements, to do that you would need the technical info on both the Whiteline and standard bars.. time for you to do some investigating?
Quote from: "VVT-i"Quote from: "Kool PT"Does anyone know of a reason that I wouldn't be happy with the non-adjustable type?
If you got adjustables ones, how often are you actually going to adjust them?
I got mine fitted (adjustable) and it was a case of fit a forget. The non adjustable ones will (or should be) stiffer than the standard bar, so you've got to ask yourself if you think that it would be stiff enough for your requirements, to do that you would need the technical info on both the Whiteline and standard bars.. time for you to do some investigating?
OK, don't know if you're implying that i'm asking some n00bish questions here but this is hardly a 'does anyone know what tyres are best' discussion?
I've no idea how ARBs are technically compared to one another. Does one mention the stiffness or simply the circumference? Obviously all of the Whiteline models are 'uprated' from stock, so I'm not sure I follow what you're suggesting. Also, it's a hard thing to search for as they are known as anti-roll bars (and anything about roll bars brings up chat about 'style bars'), ARBs, anti sway bars?
TBH I have an adjustable rear ARB and yes, i have adjusted it ... but like the coilovers once i've found the setting i like most i leave them alone.
I guess that's what they're more used for in a road car.
My rear droplinks at whiteling adjustable and i basically set them up the same length as the 2's'rus ones and not touched them since - again because i like them the way they are. But the droplinks are much beefier than either the oem or 2's'rus ones and easier removed when you want to - that's why i got them really.
My front ARB is a none-adjustable one but upgraded, the droplinks are 2's'rus but i'll be replacing them as soon as i get the opportunity.
Having now had 2 2's'rus rear droplinks fail just doesn't fill me with confidence in their quality or longevity. It may just be because my ARB's are uprated items that's knacking the 2's'rus kit, as it seems rare for anyone else to have trouble with them.
Really, if you go with either adjustable or none-adjustable you'll enjoy the difference they make to the car.
None-adjustale might just be the ticket, but adjustable allows you to find out if it can be any better.
But then you'll probably, just like me, leave them alone. s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Seemples
Im in the same boat...can't decide between adjustable or non adjustable! Persoanlly I know I won't be bothered to keep making adjustments and from looking at this PDF: http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/bulletins/010barup.pdf you'll likely gain a 40% - 60% increase in stiffness from just the diamter of the bar. The adjustable ones can just go even stiffer if need be but surely you could get adjustble drop links which can tailor your style further and save pennies?
That's my thoughts anyway. I'd also look at doing all the bushings too!
Quote from: "MR 2ster"Im in the same boat...can't decide between adjustable or non adjustable! Persoanlly I know I won't be bothered to keep making adjustments and from looking at this PDF: http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/bulletins/010barup.pdf you'll likely gain a 40% - 60% increase in stiffness from just the diamter of the bar. The adjustable ones can just go even stiffer if need be but surely you could get adjustble drop links which can tailor your style further and save pennies?
That's my thoughts anyway. I'd also look at doing all the bushings too!
Do you have official figures for thickness of front/rear stock ARBs?
I've been trying to re-find them but I think (iirc) the rear are 15mm and the front 19mm
Yo.
according to MWR's listings for the Che ARBs, stock is 15mm rear and 20mm front.
which is 107% in stiffness rear
and 46% front.
from reading up on it, front is more important for a MR layout vehicle.
Quote from: "Kool PT"OK, don't know if you're implying that i'm asking some n00bish questions here but this is hardly a 'does anyone know what tyres are best' discussion?
I'm sorry if you think I some way implied tht is was a "n00bish" question, I in no way intended you to take it that way.
You asked if we new any reason why you would not be happy with the non adjustable ones. We don't know what you want from the car, we don't know how much stiffness you want from your anti-roll bars and as such we wouldn't know if you would be happy with non adjustables or not. I was only trying to suggest that you find data on both the whiteline bars and the standard bars to compare them, in the same way as spring rates can be compared, I don't know if any such data exists which is why I suggested some investigating.
I won't risk a possible insult to you again by telling you how they work as I'm sure you know that 100%, but suffice to say adjustable ones will give more options on stiffness in comparison to non adsjustables, so if any data does exist it could be of great use to you..and yes your right, they are also known as sway bars.
TBH I think you would be happy with the non adjustables, the difference in thickness of the bars is fairly significant and should give you a good balance of comfort for road use and handling for occasional track use.
The prices in the first post were from Automotive Services in Dunfermline, which
was run by Job Geevers who ran Whiteline UK. I did get a good discount as we (my work) done a lot of work on his demo cars at the time.
Temple tuning are listing the front adjustable bars for £167.29 plus delivery. (vat is included)
Quote from: "VVT-i"Quote from: "Kool PT"OK, don't know if you're implying that i'm asking some n00bish questions here but this is hardly a 'does anyone know what tyres are best' discussion?
I'm sorry if you think I some way implied tht is was a "n00bish" question, I in no way intended you to take it that way.
You asked if we new any reason why you would not be happy with the non adjustable ones. We don't know what you want from the car, we don't know how much stiffness you want from your anti-roll bars and as such we wouldn't know if you would be happy with non adjustables or not. I was only trying to suggest that you find data on both the whiteline bars and the standard bars to compare them, in the same way as spring rates can be compared, I don't know if any such data exists which is why I suggested some investigating.
I won't risk a possible insult to you again by telling you how they work as I'm sure you know that 100%, but suffice to say adjustable ones will give more options on stiffness in comparison to non adsjustables, so if any data does exist it could be of great use to you..and yes your right, they are also known as sway bars.
TBH I think you would be happy with the non adjustables, the difference in thickness of the bars is fairly significant and should give you a good balance of comfort for road use and handling for occasional track use.
The prices in the first post were from Automotive Services in Dunfermline, which was run by Job Geevers who ran Whiteline UK. I did get a good discount as we (my work) done a lot of work on his demo cars at the time.
Temple tuning are listing the front adjustable bars for £167.29 plus delivery. (vat is included)
Sorry it seems like I got the wrong end of your post. Good advice there, and if I can contribute anything in my findings I'll add to the thread. However when asking about adjustable/non-adjustable I <i>did</i> mention the V6 conversion and the fact that it is now simply a car for fun only as I have a full time practical car too
now.
I'll either upgrade to coilovers first or at the same time as doing the ARBs so it'll probably be a while before anything happens! Let's get that 1MZ shoehorned in first s:) :) s:)