Oh my good grief YES!!!
After a long weekend at Marks, I am now the proud owner of a charge cooled turbo'd 2.
Still running at waste gate (~4.7psi) and loving it.
I know I shouldn't have and it wasn't kind to my old and tired clutch, but the new MX5 next to me at the lights thought I wasn't worthy! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
He didn't think so when I pulled over at the speed limit a good 2 car lengths in front (@50mph).
To the guys who fitted it for me, many, many thanks. You all worked really hard for me and managed a Hass + charge cooler in 2 days.
Oh, the cooler was cold when I got home, stone cold, and not a sign of any leaks or drop in coolant level. s:D :D s:D
To Chris, thanks again for putting up with the horde that descended on you for the weekend, and the food!
Small issue for your minds though.
At about -9.4 psi, if you hold the throttle there it cuts out down to -12psi. A touch on throttle and it's back to normal. I'm going to get it to re learn the idle tomorrow so that might help.
Thanks again to all!
Simon
(Still grinning like a loon.)
Congrats Simon
Good to see if was all fixed after the many screw and thread issues we had yesterday!
oooh and hurry up with those springs, they are rather cool if I say so myself s;) ;) s;)
Nice one Simon, glad to see you're enjoying it. s8) 8) s8)
she'll take a few days to bed in but follow stus instructions and she should be fine :-) :-) :-)
for the record thats a chargecooled Hass in 16 hours
previous best was 17 hours for Hass intercooled which is arguably easier
deduct the time spent on other stuff and we did it in 10 hours flat, bit of a result that.
Si wait until you tastes 10psi you'll wet yourself :-) :-) :-)
Welcome to the club Simon s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s8) 8) s8)
Quote from: "SimonC_Here"not a sign of any leaks or drop in coolant level. s:D :D s:D
Thank God for that! s:D :D s:D s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Glad you're happy with it mate, sorry I couldn't stick around until the death to see it finished though.
Still fine this morning on the coolant front.
It did throw a cel this morning.
171 (System too Lean (Bank 1) )
and
174 (System too Lean (Bank 2) )
I think it's too lean! s:) :) s:)
I've disconnected the battery, then forgot you can't actually lock the car with the battery out and my Dev's were frozen in! So nobody look at the green roadster, it's not locked! s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s;) ;) s;)
My fuel bill is going to be huge to start off with, I can't stop planting my right foot at any oppertunity. I love the sound of the turbo spooling.
Simon
Quote from: "Ekona"Quote from: "SimonC_Here"not a sign of any leaks or drop in coolant level. s:D :D s:D
Thank God for that! s:D :D s:D s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Glad you're happy with it mate, sorry I couldn't stick around until the death to see it finished though.
dont, i had to redo it again after you went Dan s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Boo Hoo s:cry: :cry: s:cry: I miss mine - roll on Saturday! But your right it is addictive to the detriment of your wallet - what does Jess think of it??
Enjoy!!
(Just to add salt in the wound of not having mine - a new officer has started here and has just parked a blue '2 in front of me in the car park s:evil: :evil: s:evil: ) off to flyer that one in a minute!
s:oops: :oops: s:oops: Bloody thing!
Si just realised your running injector cleaner at teh mo and what octane fuel?
ah yeah the injector cleaner...
A mix of Tesco 99 and what ever the BP ultimate is. 98?
@Liz Jess hasn't been out in it yet as it was dark and cold when I got home and didn't fancy going out, showing off and binning it somewhere s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
What ever Stu did seems to be holding though.
Simon
take it easy till that tanks gone and we'll see if those CELs come back afterwards
Quote from: "SimonC_Here"Still fine this morning on the coolant front.
It did throw a cel this morning.
171 (System too Lean (Bank 1) )
and
174 (System too Lean (Bank 2) )
I think it's too lean! s:) :) s:)
Simon
Have you tried taking air out of the 2 left tyres?
It may not lean as much then s:P :P s:P
Hmm.. from memory:
System Too Lean is thrown when the long term fuel trim for that bank (or both banks, in this case) exceeds a set threshold - i.e. the ECU is having to add too much fuel in at cruise & idle based on the O2 sensor feedback to maintain a stoichometric A/F ratio of 14.7:1
That might indicate that the eManage map needs a little tweak for your car - perhaps your fuel pressure is a little lower than Marks was, so the eM needs to be pulling less fuel out at idle/cruise.
Thanks Aaron,
Just been out at lunch to leave the car to idle for 20 minutes. What the security thought I was doing I don't know!
Anyway, it threw a different CEL. 304 (Cylinder 4 Misfire Detected). I hope it wasn't my soldering...
Simon
check the soldering asap!
That could also be the one grade colder plugs not really liking extended idling..
Quote from: "kanujunkie"check the soldering asap!
Do you know how much electical tape there is around those wires? s:( :( s:(
Ah well I'll check it whilst the sun is still up.
@Aaron: It had been idling for about 15 minutes before it gave up on me. The revs had just dropped from a very drony 2100 rpm to a very stuttery ~700 rpm.
Erm, possibly silly question, but which one is number 4?
Simon
Number 4 is the one on the left - gearbox end (you always count from crank pulley end)
there is a specific emanage idle relearn proceedure I'll see if I can find it
Typical, if it is no 4 on the left, then it is right under the most difficult place to get.
Can you take off the clip to the injector without taking off the fuel rail?
I don't fancy my chances with my work clothes on in the car park.
I've checked the solders between the original wires and the new ones and they look nice and shiny and firm, don't have a miltimeter here! I seem to remember that the injector in question had to be soldered twice before it was fitted. There was some damage near to the clip where the wire was split. I wonder if the damage was into the clip it's self as well?
So the big question. if I drive home carefully, will it blow up?
Simon
to remove teh connector from teh injector you need a small flatblade
insert between clip and block and lever it backwards, the clip will pop off
Ta, but can it get it home?
Simon
hang on thinking back to a conversation with Aaron last week
misfire is only the coil reprting that it wasn't able to spark
it's not really a comment on the combustion process persee
check teh connector for teh coilpack and make sure it's properly connected
I swapped the coil packs 4 and 3 over whilst trying to work out how to get the clip for the injector out. Didn't make a difference (as long as the left we are all on about is on the passengers side!)
Simon
it is
tbh as it's not a flashing CEL I'd be tempted to reset and drive it home see if it comes back
Quote from: "SimonC_Here"I swapped the coil packs 4 and 3 over whilst trying to work out how to get the clip for the injector out. Didn't make a difference (as long as the left we are all on about is on the passengers side!)
Yep, pass side..
Dicky plug maybe? Though I'm not sure if the ECU feedback control goes as far as the plug, or just the ignitor in the coil..
[edit] And for the record - flashing CEL means "Condition which may cause damage to the CAT due to unburnt fuel" (i.e. prolonged misfire due to no spark on a cylinder).
I can't do the plugs here, nothing to take them out with.
It's not flashing.
Simon
so it's not a prolonged misfire
I'd risk driving it home personally
That reader thing you lent me Mark.
Is it:
Car off
Insert reader thing (upside down it seems!)
Key in and turn to "On"
Reader goes:
It's name scrolling
- 1 -
- 2 -
- 3 -
Code flashed 4 times
Should it then reset the code?
If yes then the code comes straight back. s:( :( s:(
Simon
thats the correct sequence Simon, however if its like mine then it'll do 4 blocks of flashing 3 times before it resets the codes
Humm,
After taking off the plastic engine cover, fiddling with the wires and coil packs at lunch time. I didn't put them back for the drive home. I also didn't re attach the oil breather filter.
No engine light and although the idle isn't the most stable thing in the world, it didn't die on me on the way home, including a little detour.
I am wondering if the tension from where we tied up the oil breather pipe worked something loose on the injector clip.
Mark, where can I get a new injector clip/wire that I can replace the dodgy one with? You said it was a different clip to the stock injectors.
Oh and I must remember not to accelerate off that roundabout on the way home. I didn't know you could wheel spin it round a corner in 2nd with a dodgy clutch. s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Simon
that must have been fun
as per what Stu said ref teh odbII reader
I think I have some spare pins let me go look
I am almost sure it is that plug that had the one very short wire on it that I had to fix before attaching it to the wiring loom.
Still, grin city, I'm going to take Jess out in it later. I hope she likes it/can live with the extra noise.
Simon
Stuttery idle could just be a minor boost leak post-MAF, which could tie in with the lean codes too?
I'll check the hoses tomorrow. It's 2 degrees out there!
Simon
ok checked and I have spare clips if needed
want me to pop a couple in teh post?
If you could please. I'll give the wiring another go this weekend.
Now to decide on the clutch... Organic one from Prolex or the RPS one and get hit by import duty....hummm.
Oh and Mark, can you get Chris to check her bank account please, I've transfered the money.
Simon
if you have any further problems with those clips then i know where to get them brand new, will cost around a tenner for all 4 + wire and heatshrink. I know i was outvoted on this but if you have any continued problems then let me cut the old clips out rather than leaveing them in where they could short. i can do the wireing properly with the connections further down the loom with the whole thing heatshrunk so that it looks 100% stock and it'll be 100% guranteed no issues ever, up to you.
RPS everytime for me, Si. Lighter than stock feel with more than enough torque capacity? Sounds good to me.
Quote from: "kanujunkie"if you have any further problems with those clips then i know where to get them brand new, will cost around a tenner for all 4 + wire and heatshrink. I know i was outvoted on this but if you have any continued problems then let me cut the old clips out rather than leaveing them in where they could short. i can do the wireing properly with the connections further down the loom with the whole thing heatshrunk so that it looks 100% stock and it'll be 100% guranteed no issues ever, up to you.
he cut them off in teh end :-) :-) :-)
si PM me your address
good!
Yeah I did one and saw how bad it looked, picked up the clippers and had done with them.
PM on it's way.
Simon
171 and 174 back again while idleing in a queue for lights. Maybe I'll just let more pressure out of the left hand tires. s;) ;) s;)
Simon
Don't know if it helps with the diagnosis by those who know this sort of thing, but I got 0171 & 0174 driving home with the Haltech installed.
I'm just waiting for this tank to run down and then see if it still happens on the next tank.
Failing that I'll have to get it tuned to my engine, or at least tweeked a little. s:) :) s:)
Simon
Yep, sounds like the injector sizes may be a little too big in the eManage (making it adjust the fuel too lean to correct for them) - probably a fuel pressure difference down to the age & mileage on the car.
Easy fix with a wideband O2..
Quote from: "SimonC_Here"171 and 174 back again while idleing in a queue for lights. Maybe I'll just let more pressure out of the left hand tires. s;) ;) s;)
Simon
See now you are thinking outside the box as we say in Cisco Land
Quote from: "aaronjb"Yep, sounds like the injector sizes may be a little too big in the eManage (making it adjust the fuel too lean to correct for them) - probably a fuel pressure difference down to the age & mileage on the car.
Easy fix with a wideband O2..
I don't think I've got one of those!
Simon
You don't, but I know a man who has one that could be quickly popped in, check the AFR and adjust.. (trickier with the eManage as the stock ECU will constantly try to adjust back to stoic, so you'd have to reset the ECU and do it right after).
[edit] Actually I think you could probably do it without the wideband.. you just need an OBD-II reader than can read the LTFT (Long Term Fuel Trims) out of the stock ECU.. then adjust the injector sizings in the eManage. A wideband would still be nice to make sure the WOT AFRs don't go lean or too rich, though.
I've had a very similar CEL issue recently, although mine has been a "too rich" syndrome.
I knocked back the Injection ratio by just 2% and its gone, but the ECU is still correcting heavily.
To give you an indication of the flexibility the ECU has at learning and correcting before it hits its limits and throws a CEL, my AFR after a reset was 12.5 at idle, pootling and cruising speeds s:shock: :shock: s:shock: . Within a couple of days it had settled back to a healthy 14.7.
Not ideal - I'd rather get round to trimming the emanage map more accurately, but if it aint broke etc .... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Of course, without an AFR you won't know how far over that edge of ECU "trimmability" you are Simon, so best to get Aaron check you over.
I spliced the new clips onto the existing wiring on mine and left the old clips taped up with no issues to date s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "heathstimpson"I spliced the new clips onto the existing wiring on mine and left the old clips taped up with no issues to date s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
sorry mate but thats really bad engineering practice, you just got lucky
Unless anyone comes up with a good reason not to, I think I'll go with the exedy organic clutch from Prolex.
The RPS is more expensive and I'm likely to get stung by inport duty on top of that. Maybe when the exedy gives up I'll go for the RPS but I doubt the car will still be running by then!
Simon
Stu has the Exedy, right? In which case (having driven it) it's not a bad clutch at all - took me a few goes to get used to it, but it's not too snappy nor too heavy.
Unlike mine.. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I think Stu had both from reading the threads.
He didn't like the RPS then he did!
Oh and don't forget the noise on yours as well! s;) ;) s;)
Simon
No Stu didn't like his RPS at all - and killed it pretty fast, too, from memory.. which is weird. Dan loved his - so I'm thinking there was something different between the two (I loved the RPS in the Nissan, too, though that's a bit different - vacuum assisted hydraulic clutch s:) :) s:) )
I'd heard from the Exedy importers in Runcorn that there had been a bad batch of RPS clutches around that time. Fact or fiction I dunno. But Alberto fubarred his fairly quickly too.
Another light clutch worth considering is the ACT.
Exedy is great for the price (from Dave s:wink: :wink: s:wink: ). Takes a while to de-judder but it does the job.
Quote from: "spit".... Another light clutch worth considering is the ACT......
I have the ACT and I'm not sure I'd recommend it (mind you I'm only comparing this against stock). When stuck in traffic and the clutch gets hot it doesn't slip at all. Great when you're moving but not fun stuck in London traffic.
Quote from: "kanujunkie"Quote from: "heathstimpson"I spliced the new clips onto the existing wiring on mine and left the old clips taped up with no issues to date s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
sorry mate but thats really bad engineering practice, you just got lucky
I did some military splices where you split the cable cores and push the new clip wiring through and twist together then solder s:wink: :wink: s:wink: Do you really think that this is bad practice as it can be returned to stock easily s:?: :?: s:?: s:? :? s:?
being able to return it to stock easily is an excuse, not a reason to leave it in. IMHO the stock connectors should be removed to prevent issues in the future and of course chaffing on any wiring it may be resting on seeing as its a high vibration area. But its your choice
Quote from: "kanujunkie"being able to return it to stock easily is an excuse, not a reason to leave it in. IMHO the stock connectors should be removed to prevent issues in the future and of course chaffing on any wiring it may be resting on seeing as its a high vibration area. But its your choice
As long as you don't come down 1000 yards short of the runway you could be OK Heath s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Clutch ordered.
Thanks Dave (ProlexUK).
Simon
how much?
£260 from Prolex which is not a lot more than the GB a couple of years a go and he had one in stock.
RPS street max from PPEEngineering was at £268 (current exchange rate) + whatever the tax man/parcel paper pushers wanted to actually give me it.
RPS from thor-racing was £342.79 + ~50 for bearing +delivery?
It isn't listed for the roadster but I was told that their Matrix 1.8L 1ZZ & 2ZZ* MS-22549-ST would fit.
Simon
yowsers thats gone up a bit s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
My RPS is very good, no complaints plenty of miles.
to give you an idea on miles per clutch,
i got
35K out of the stock one
33k out of the rps
and i'm guessing about the same out of the exedy
so theres not a lot in it on that one, personally i preffer the Exedy out of the 2, it just feels more connected
Quote from: "SimonC_Here"£260 from Prolex which is not a lot more than the GB a couple of years a go and he had one in stock.
RPS street max from PPEEngineering was at £268 (current exchange rate) + whatever the tax man/parcel paper pushers wanted to actually give me it.
RPS from thor-racing was £342.79 + ~50 for bearing +delivery?
It isn't listed for the roadster but I was told that their Matrix 1.8L 1ZZ & 2ZZ* MS-22549-ST would fit.
Simon
Did you try Monkeywrench?
Chris
Quote from: "ChrisGB"Quote from: "SimonC_Here"£260 from Prolex which is not a lot more than the GB a couple of years a go and he had one in stock.
RPS street max from PPEEngineering was at £268 (current exchange rate) + whatever the tax man/parcel paper pushers wanted to actually give me it.
RPS from thor-racing was £342.79 + ~50 for bearing +delivery?
It isn't listed for the roadster but I was told that their Matrix 1.8L 1ZZ & 2ZZ* MS-22549-ST would fit.
Simon
Did you try Monkeywrench?
Chris
~£250 including shipping and bearing but again the paper pushers and Tax man would want their cut.
Simon
Clutch arrived today. And promptly took a chunk out of my finger when I got it out of the box. s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Thanks
Simon
wait till its fitted, that'll take chunks out