Just got a price of $725 (£365ish) for a Che Manifold, Elise style twin-exit centre exhaust, and a set of strut braces, and shipping. Pretty good eh. So I've decided to go for it, ordering tonight as soon as he's confirmed payment details.
I appreciate all the warning from other owners about some questionable quality at times, I'm not ignoring them. I've decided to take a calculated risk of having a Che part fail on me. Reasons -
1) Just found out reason for my engine replacement 17k miles ago before I bought the car was precat failure. NOT having that happen again, I'm not under the warranty blanket anymore
2) I'm on a budget right now, but doing a lot of miles and just got a job at Xtrac ( m http://www.xtrac.com (http://www.xtrac.com) m who design F1 gearboxes btw! ERP Engineer position) so should have cash coming in soon, ie end of August. But it would be s*ds f*cking law if my precats die before then, and I'll probably clock at least 3000 miles in that period. And gutting them isn't my street.
I'm just thinking I'll risk failure of Che's rather than failure of pre-cats. £365 for the set of manifold + exhaust + front strut + rear strut + shipping is still a good price even if i end up needing to pay for another load of shipping (£70ish) when a part fails on me. Che's got a good rep for replacing faulty items.
Just sharing s:) :) s:) IIRC nobody else has imported a Che Elise twin-exit centre yet?
Tom
Well it will be cool to see the pics of the exhaust when you get it.
Simon
Yeah, so long as all goes smoothly. Should take a week or so I'd imagine. s:) :) s:)
Someone mentioned to me the ear bursting properties of Che's exhausts s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D
Mine (not a che) is pretty loud. You get used to it.
Simon
Nothing wrong with a bit of noise... my old kit car exhaust was probably bordering legality s;) ;) s;) I've heard some clips of the Che exhaust in action and it's PRETTY nice... will have to dig them up and post (its a Youtube clip so has vid of the exhaust on the '2 as well)
Spyderchat (http://spyderchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38441&hl=)
Simon
cheers, wasnt having much luck in my search
just looked through and apparently "jonboy" from Birmingham has already imported one of these s:( :( s:( never mind, I don't go up to Birmingham anyway s;) ;) s;)
Sounds great Tom, look forward to seeing it, as I said, happy to help if and when it arrives.
It may coincide with the delivery of my new Stainless Steel Style Bar from the USA too!!
cheers mate
ditto. will get the pints in s:D :D s:D any preference? im a man of Olde English or similar myself...
oh balls, has everyone who was showing interest in a che manifold already ordered one?! s:( :( s:(
Could do with a GB really
I just got in with Che as I figured $725 for the package was a good rate
I'm sure he'd offer you the same price if you want to go for the CheTrio H/E/S
Quote from: "tom_deas"Could do with a GB really
you mean like http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=21445 this one? s:D :D s:D
edit to remove any hint of chastisement.
advice only
E
*edit out*
tom,
speak to the accountant, he will tell you why.
or google what you proposed, im sure you will find an answer.
E
thanks for the heads up
yet again my ignorance to legal matters shows through s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
am i correct that the break in procedure for manifolds is <3000rpm for a few hundred miles (or a while, at least)?
Just remember to check your nuts are still on after the first few miles. Mine keep coming loose s:( :( s:(
Simon
Quote from: "SimonC_Here"Just remember to check your nuts are still on after the first few miles. Mine keep coming loose s:( :( s:(
Simon
s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Quote from: "SimonC_Here"Just remember to check your nuts are still on after the first few miles. Mine keep coming loose s:( :( s:(
Looks like I'll be carrying a socket set around s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Jonboy has a standard exit Che catback, or did have. I had one as well tho when it cracked (after 5 months) I sold it on cheap to Wurzy. Where he ever fitted it I don't know.
The standard exit Che was pretty loud, tho not up to Janspeed decibelitude. Don't know how loud the centre exit Che is but if it's anything like the two mentioned above it should be pretty interesting.
Phil
so long as i see an improvement on sound over standard ill be quite happy to be honest. cant help but feel the standard is a bit flat. plus, a spyderchat member dyno'd a 6bhp gain with the box alone, let alone with the manifold (IIRC anyway, might have been with manifold). will be nice to see some gains.
main reason for purchase though is making the most of the combined shipping. NEED to loose those precats before i get over my head in sh*t with a dead engine i dont have the means to replace
you could always just remove the precats yourself, total cost about 11 pounds including shipping
1 can plus gas
1 set of gaskets
1 set nuts and bolts
its not rocket science, even i did it (with a little help from spit)
Quote from: "tom_deas"so long as i see an improvement on sound over standard ill be quite happy to be honest. cant help but feel the standard is a bit flat. plus, a spyderchat member dyno'd a 6bhp gain with the box alone, let alone with the manifold (IIRC anyway, might have been with manifold). will be nice to see some gains.
main reason for purchase though is making the most of the combined shipping. NEED to loose those precats before i get over my head in sh*t with a dead engine i dont have the means to replace
Hi Tom
It was me who got the improvement of 6bhp on the single exit exhaust. IT was pretty quiet on the standard catalyst setup. It only got very loud when combined with the PPE manifold and high flow cat. The PPE manifold is a 4 into 1 setup with a small secondary pipe diameter, so it tends to make the exhaust pretty loud. With the stock cat and Che manifold, it could be pretty loud, but should sound nice.
Dyno of the exhaust and exhaust / manifold / high flow cat here:
(http://www.cbuckle.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/PPE+Che.jpg)
Chris
Thanks for detailed response.
IIRC Che doesn't ship his gaskets anymore due to problems with them so will have to order in from Toyota?
Quote from: "tom_deas"Thanks for detailed response.
IIRC Che doesn't ship his gaskets anymore due to problems with them so will have to order in from Toyota?
they can usually get them in overnight tom. so give them 2 days notice at least i would say
will do, will do...
For reference, anyone doing a search RE these mods and insurance, im 20 w/ 2yr 10mnth full license, 1 non fault claim, 3 pts CU30, and to add all these parts on Bell only charged me an extra £80, INCLUDING the admin charge for sending out a new policy, so c.£55 for these mods s:) :) s:) top notch! (premium is £1090, and im listed as full time office worker, part time uni student)
**UPDATE**
a lot of mention on spyderchat that che now ships toyota gaskets?? anyone know of the accuracy of this? tried posting on spyderchat but no response - just hoping to get word back before i leave work 5pm and head past the toyota garage... cheers
i'm almost 100% certain that he does - look in the che header thread on spyderchat, it's about 20 pages long but basically a guy complains that his manifold cracks, and discussion takes off from there
cheers for quick response
just was gonna say if someone had a definate "no, he doesnt, go down Toyota" then id go down there after i leave in 5mins. no biggie. cheers. will have time for a detailed read later
I just can't help remembering that it took my main dealer longer to get me the gasket from the UK than it did for Che to get me the manifold from the US s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I also read on SP that he now ships the Toyota type gasket. For what it's worth, I reckon that you could reuse the one you've got if you have to.
Toyota will refund the cost of the gasket (some dealers may charge a re stocking fee, mine does not) if you return it unopened.
Chris
its a bit of hassle to get to nearest toyota garage. they said they'd take my credit card details over the phone for payment though which i thought was a bit shifty (inchcape toyota basingstoke). they said at a push they could get one in overnight, certainly in 48hrs, so im just gonna take the risk. im working 6 days a week atm - AND this sunday likely - so i doubt ill get a huge opportunity to do the swop this weekend. you gonna be around russ? id imagine its an all day job really...
I am on the Southern Softies Run on Sat, which is where you should be, may be around Sunday
Has it all arrived then???
word of advice get some plus gas (proper stuff)
and soak all teh nuts regurlarly for a week before ytou start dismantling it
other wise the next post you make will be asking what to do about sheared bolts
and order 2 spring loaded bolts for teh backbox joint 90% chance yours will be fubared
Che does ship with a Toyota gasket for the top end of the manifold so no worries there, mine actually came with the Toyota itam AND the crappy chinese one too. However mine came with none-Toyota bottom end rings and when you compare them to the proper item they're crap. Those are usually very easy to get from Mr T.
The manifolds that have cracked didn't have the bottom braces fitted from the original manifold. Basically they connect the bottom flange of the manifold to the engine block to prevent flexing of the manifold with engine movement and heat. No-one seems to have problems as long as these are in place, so make sure you have them in. They're burgers to get the bolts to move but well worth it.
Again, lots of plusgas on all nuts & bolts for the week before doing the change and a breaker bar would help big time on those pesky bolts holding the bottom braces in place.
Quote from: "uktotty"I am on the Southern Softies Run on Sat, which is where you should be, may be around Sunday
Has it all arrived then???
i work 6 days a week mate, mondays to fridays at Xtrac ( s:D :D s:D ) and saturdays at White Stuff ( s:( :( s:( ) so im only free sundays anyway
hasnt arrived but Fedex tracking service says it *will* arrive *by* 6pm on Thursday. but ive never had fedex delivery before so not sure what the process is - running strong odds of not being home. and then theres always customs issues to potentially complicate matters... but i dunno, hopefully it will be here and sorted for the weekend. i may have work this sunday as well s:( :( s:( but i want to get this sorted this weekend if i can. its lightish till 10pm so... i mean shouldnt be *that* big a job its just i always like to budget double my time for complications s:) :) s:)
shopping list for MrT and my spare time then...
- 2 spring loaded bolts for backbox
- MrT BE rings
- pre soak the bolts daily if at all poss
- fit bottom brace from original manifold (when the time comes)
Quote from: "tom_deas"- pre soak the bolts daily if at all poss
That should read Pre Soak in PLUS GAS, do not try and do this with WD40 or KY Jelly
Quote from: "uktotty"Quote from: "tom_deas"- pre soak the bolts daily if at all poss
That should read Pre Soak in PLUS GAS, do not try and do this with WD40 or KY Jelly
yeap, got that
awww, i cant use my excess KY? *trail of thought leads back to the CH5 documentary once more..." EWWWW
KY jelly.. on your exhaust pipe.. now I'm worried..
Trust me,, you'll try to take off the manifold bolds.. round one of them.. go to a garage to get it taken off.. If you can do it youself 1st time I'll buy you a pint..
Alex
Fitted my Che header on the first attempt no worries and no bolts caused me an issue either! s:) :) s:) Was I just lucky?
Quote from: "muffdan"Fitted my Che header on the first attempt no worries and no bolts caused me an issue either! s:) :) s:) Was I just lucky?
Probably.. or have skills I lack s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "northernalex"KY jelly.. on your exhaust pipe.. now I'm worried..
Trust me,, you'll try to take off the manifold bolds.. round one of them.. go to a garage to get it taken off.. If you can do it youself 1st time I'll buy you a pint..
Alex
my exhaust system was replaced by the previous owner under a year ago... and ive lube'd he hell out of those bolts... and they all look brand spanking new anyway. looks like you'll be owing me a pint s:D :D s:D
oh and ive just reread and im not positive you picked up on sarcasm with the KY... i dont in fact OWN any KY s;) ;) s;)
recieved all the goodies in the post today. they look so beautiful. heh. bring on sunday and all that! s:D :D s:D
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Quote from: "Jen Che Lin"The bottom end rings is aluminum material, its not MR.T end rings. Thank you !
1) yeah mate, that'll be fine!
2) don't be a fool, get a MrT
3) hold on laddy, your old bottom end rings are only about 5000 miles and a few months old, its reusable!
obviously mentioned above advised i should get MrT grade, but unfortunately MrT didn't bother to put my order through properly so that, combined with the fact i can't get down there during work hours except on SUNDAYS means i *might* have to wait another 2/3 weeks to fit exhaust. patience is a virtue, but not one i have s;) ;) s;) so dont think im being a douche, just wondering if i can push my luck and reuse the old rings s:) :) s:) i know the saying "do a job properly" but it unfortunately isnt synonimous with "patience", so if i can get away with the current rings, i may well do that.
Go for it.
The worst that will happen is your exhaust will blow. If it's blowing, spend 30 minutes in 2/3 weeks and replace the gaskets then. All you're gambling here is the time it takes.
Wouldnt be the first time he gambled on a blow
Quote from: "muffdan"Go for it.
The worst that will happen is your exhaust will blow. If it's blowing, spend 30 minutes in 2/3 weeks and replace the gaskets then. All you're gambling here is the time it takes.
fair comment. will keep the parts order, hedge a risk on the basis that the main thing is i have a MrT gasket just not MrT rings, and expect it to blow a bit. so long as theres a bit of give (?) in the system, wont be much of a problem to replace the rings without taking apart the entire system anyway. I'm starting a job down the road from me (well, I could walk there in about an hour if im lucky), so i can take the risk of it being undriveable for a few days to a week while I wait for MrT to get off their fannys
It's getting like a cheap version of Viz in this place lately.
[mod=simon]Biologically correct, but no[/mod]
There, can we stop with the cheap knob gags now?
Quote from: "Ekona"It's getting like a cheap version of Viz in this place lately.
[mod=simon]Biologically correct, but no[/mod]
There, can we stop with the cheap knob gags now?
who wants to grow up eh s;) ;) s;)
besides, im only just 20 anyway s:D :D s:D
christ the gaskets are what £10?
just change the bloody things everyone yet I've not changed has blown and teh 3 amigos (bolts that hold teh manifold to cat) are an absolute arse to remove
at teh risk of sounding like Stu, just do it properly s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "markiii"christ the gaskets are what £10?
just change the bloody things everyone yet I've not changed has blown and the 3 amigos (bolts that hold the manifold to cat) are an absolute arse to remove
at the risk of sounding like Stu, just do it properly s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
its not the price, im ordering them anyway - not even a tenner, only £7 for a pair of rings - its just the fact it'll take 3 weeks to order in / get a chance to collect
yes, i should really be doing it properly, but... ill call up MrT and find out if they can get them in by Sunday, by any chance. If not, well, I won't be able to get up there for an unknown period of time, so... hmm. will chance it. blowing exhaust is temporarily liveable
pm your address and I'll post you 2 just send your new ones back when your done
Quote from: "markiii"pm your address and I'll post you 2 just send your new ones back when your done
Now THERES a deal!!
Strut brace fitted, rest of it going in on Sunday
Quote from: "markiii"pm your address and I'll post you 2 just send your new ones back when your done
Very generous of you, cheers s:) :) s:) ill call mrT tomorrow to see if they've got off their fannies and got it in, if they have then all sorted, if not will PM you.
was a shame i got a rear upper and not a front upper strut, but still makes quite a difference i noticed this eve on my drive about town...
Tom
Having serious issues removing the 3 amigos!
Any advice?
Impact driver, torque driver, all failed so far!
Russ
Application of heat and use a stud extractor to get max grip.
Cheers Nige
This any good@
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/20084/Automotive/Mechanics-Tools/Stud-Extractor-Set-8-Pc?cm_mmc=GoogleBase-_-Datafeed-_-Automotive-_-Stud%20Extractor%20Set%208%20Pc
these
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however if the heads aren't rounding but the they still won't turn your probably going to shear one
much as it's an arse workign on a hot car thats why I normally get teh car warm before removing them, and then let it cool down before I actually pull teh manifold off
OK story so far, got 2 of the three amigos out with penetrating oil and stuff
Third will not budge.
tried the stud removal, snapped the drill off.
Tried nut splitter, cant reach, tried dremmel, wrong angle.
Gave up!
Went to put the CHE Lotus Thing on and I think CHE means CHEap
Exhaust and cat do not line up, compressed the springs on the exhaust bolts and cable tied to give us more room but the new exhaust pipe is 30 degrees out from the main cat.
(http://i31.tinypic.com/2mrzeyw.jpg)
So manifold still in place with f*(&^d bolts, plus manifold brackets will not budge to remove and work on, off the car.
Old exhaust off, new exhaust will not fit.
It also seems the cat and the CHE exhaust are fouling each other so with both in place its a no go!
(http://i26.tinypic.com/x54mpy.jpg)
(http://i28.tinypic.com/vncg90.jpg)
Any ideas guys??
Sounds like a bad day in the garage. I would contact Che for some help. Could be that you have a duff system there. My single exit lined up perfectly.
It is not worth forcing stuff, it will only cause problems if not fitted properly.
Hopefully all will work out OK.
Chris
All I would suggest here is get the third bolt out, then align and bolt up the manifold and the downpipe and the exhaust (ie nothing securing anything to the car) then offer up the exhaust to the manifold and adjust the fittings to the car. Christ it's easy to say that when you're not doing the job s:lol: :lol: s:lol: But if the parts don't align when off the car then it's a manufacturing problem and return to base.
Quote from: "sandstrain"All I would suggest here is get the third bolt out, then align and bolt up the manifold and the downpipe and the exhaust (ie nothing securing anything to the car) then offer up the exhaust to the manifold and adjust the fittings to the car. Christ it's easy to say that when you're not doing the job s:lol: :lol: s:lol: But if the parts don't align when off the car then it's a manufacturing problem and return to base.
cheers.
thanks again loads for your help russ. so gutted. so gutted. its just shit luck. if that one bolt had gone fine we'd have been alright. but never mind, no point brooding eh.
will pass the job on to my uncle (mechanic by trade of 20yrs, really really good, trust him to do anything) - let him sort that shit out s:) :) s:) but will get on to che first to find out any specifics, if its supposed to be like that and/or if we've missed something stupid or your method is the proper way of doing it
*pops some valium*
its a beautiful bit of kit though, give it that due. will upload the pics tomorrow or something. very pretty bit of kit. im sure it'll be worth the hassle.
Quote from: "uktotty"Went to put the CHE Lotus Thing on and I think CHE means CHEap
Quote from: "tom_deas"its a beautiful bit of kit though, give it that due.
So which is it?
I think what they mean is the fit is ***e, but it's nice & shiny s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Guys, be sure you clean it off with turps or something before getting any heat into it otherwise it'll show all the greasy fingers that have been on it. s:wink: :wink: s:wink: And you'll never get rid of them once they been burnt on! (I learned the hard way)
Shame about the fitting problems, but i guess you get what you pay for.
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"Shame about the fitting problems, but i guess you get what you pay for.
Hit the nail on the head Nick, what a nightmare day!
TTE all the way for me I think
you need a new exhaust already?
passed the job on to my mechanic. he said the cat definately needs to be removed to line that up which is why we were having so many problems - couldnt remove cat. and he's going to crack that botched nut off no problem
such a hassle though. its true, you do get what you pay for, but at the end of the day i took that risk. and to be fair to it, all thats wrong with it is lining up the cat exit / exhaust entry, otherwise it isnt a shabby bit of kit *touch wood*. if that amigo hadnt rounded off then it *should* have all gone on. never mind, no crying over spilt milk and all that. really appreciate your help though russ.
got loads of photos anyway. will post the new exhaust against the old one in a minute...
Quote from: "markiii"you need a new exhaust already?
Oh sorry not me Mark, just saying how good mine was compared to the one we didnt fit this weekend, mine is fine and dandy ta s:) :) s:)
Also defo gonna get one of these as per your many recommendations
(http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/images/Irwin/boltgrip.jpg)
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in the last pic does appear as if the new exhaust has the entrance pipe at a funny angle. but that said, the entire unit may have been at an angle. OR, that might be how its deliberately designed, for some reason. either way ive asked Che - unfortunately due to time difference its probs about 6am there atm.
Yeah that last pic certainly shows the different angles and could be the cause of the 30o offset from pipe to cat.
That last picture does show the entry to the back boxes is out a tad.
This reminds me of Phils where the same joint didn't meet up with the de-cat pipe.
His friend had tightened them up to meet, which is probably what encouraged the cracking around the seam where to post-cat pipe enters the back box. Get in touch with Che for a replacement - i'm pretty sure it's not meant to be like that!
What a carry on eh? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I do believe the technical term is "a bit on the p*ss".
I'm wondering if Che's systems fit together properly as a whole, ie manifold - downpipe - catback. But start to fail when mixed with other manufacturers parts. Either that or they are just poorly made in the Chinese Knock off Factory. The numbers Che seems to order in his quality control must let a good few duds thru
Phil
Quote from: "aaronjb"I do believe the technical term is "a bit on the p*ss".
Stop using all that engineering Jargon!
The most important thing here is to make sure that the manifold, cat and exhaust can be fitted together securely.
The next most important thing is to make sure that the manifold fits to the head without any stress.
Then where the exhauet system joins to the rest of the engine and chassis it may be necessary to make adjustments / improvise.
I guess that the worst scenario if if you get it to fit and the pipes are not central or they are skewed.
When I fitted my manifold I ended up using a nut and bolt through one of the bottom fixings because I couldn't get the original bolt to align. It's been absolutely fine for two years.
Another option? Get a quote from an engineering shop to re-align the pipe (got to be cheaper than sending it back, haggling over the postage, time, won't come in under the radar etc, etc)
One faulty exhaust is acceptable, two is pushing it. Someone must have been half a sleep when they put these things together.
As said above I suspect that the design was based around the complete system and not sections, I did see Phils crack s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:scared: :scared: s:scared: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: it was not a pretty on the old eyes - I suspect you will end up going the same way if you fit that system.
The thing is, they are supposed to be cheap, but when you weigh up all the messing around and possible modifications, you may as well have gone the whole hogg and brought a decent system.
Rob.
Quoteworth going the whole hogg
was a calculated risk really... at the end of the day i did get all three parts with shipping for LESS than the cost of just a catback from anywhere else. which yes, is saying something, but at the same time its a risk. the manifold *should* be fine, and the strut is definately fine.
My message to Che:
QuoteChe
Nightmare with the exhaust. the cat doesnt appear to line up with the pipe on exhaust it should enter. hence, can't compress down. is there some specific method of installation? have spent the entire day trying to figure this out but no luck at all.
Link to MR2ROC posting
l viewtopic.php...48&start=60 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php...48&start=60) l
Tom
response from Che:
QuoteHi Tom,
This is the Exhaust we installed on our local Customer blingman:
m http://spyderchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=45220 (http://spyderchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=45220) m
The installation actually just need to mount the top 2 hanger brackets first this way leaves you enough flexbility to mount the pipe to exhaust. (The special bracket is for the Bracket next to Exhaust tip section)
Let me know if this work out for you, Thank you !
Che
i think ill be more direct and ask him if the 30o bend is deliberate or not. if its part of the design then i guess as per his instructions, if its a fault then.... shant be amused. i think id probably just ask for a refund on the catback and 50% of the shipping costs, and invest in a janspeed rather than risk a second faulty item.
took the risk and if it doesnt work out well what the hell eh. thats life *sigh*
but if its a deliberate part of the design, then off to mechanic...
****EDIT****
As per the following links, it appears as if the bend is a deliberate part of the design as others have it too.
eBay listing (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-MR2-Spyder-ZZW30-00-05-Catback-Exhaust-System_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em63Q2el1177QQhashZitem300235930497QQitemZ300235930497)
Spyderchat link (again) (http://spyderchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=45220)
In the second one it isn't as clear, but if you draw a line between the two exits downwards and a line out of the exhaust entry pipe you can see they aren't perpendicular, theres a c.30o bend. So must be part of the design?? Assumedly, to force the cat to sit a bit higher - so you can situate the exits a bit lower - below the bumper? or something?
Ergo - looks like the answer IS to remove the cat and off it up to the exhaust? Anyway. Will pop the pics along with my exhaust over to my mechanic tomorrow evening and get him to have a look at it, I trust his judgement s:D :D s:D
i will offer you 30 quid for the pipes
E
Quote from: "enid_b"i will offer you 30 quid for the pipes
E
s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
ahh, motherf*cker what I've just found
m http://spyderchat.com/forums/index.php? ... =Che+Lotus (http://spyderchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=47474&hl=Che+Lotus) m
"Only reason I bought the header and downpipe was to fit the che lotus style exhaust. The exhaust will not fit without the straightpipe as our stock cat gets pretty close(light rub) to the tip since its also in the center. Then I found out that I couldnt install the downpipe b/c one of bottom stud on my stock header broke in half so it didnt leave enough room to screw on the nut. So for me, I had to install or none to get it work right."
*extremely angry face* this was NOT specified in the advert. false advertising?
However... to contradict this I've found what I remember Che writing in his thread...
QuoteJen Che Lin
QUOTE(luckyboy)
Hello Che,
Thanks for your response. Since the down tube eliminates the cat; does your muffler(the original ebay one) attach to stock down tube(with cat)?. If it does; could you give me quote on price? I am interested in obtaining one. Thank you for your time.
Hi luckyboy,
You are welcome !
The Exhaust I had for sale on E-Bay awhile back is compatible with stock Down Pipe with Catalytic converter also is compatible with the Performance Down Pipe too. Thank you !
Che
looking at the pic on SC whilst it does have teh 30 degree angle when assembled teh flange is flat parrallel with teh bumper bar so teh exhaust must sit at an angle
Right, it does fit to stock cat, heres pics showing how it should have been fitted
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1366/img2256gt0.jpg)
So... after all that time we were trying to force it together Russ, there is supposed to be a gap s:( :( s:( they could have bloody made that clear with instructions or something I mean how the hell are you supposed to assume something like that?! Plus, you loose the springs on the nuts. Never mind. On the bright side, by looking at these pics I reckon its an hour max job to fit this if I get back from work at a reasonable time tomorrow. And the manifold will just have to be left to the pro to sort out that amigo.
and how is that different from how we were TRYNG to fit it?
Tom, just count to ten, wait and see what your uncle says. There is ALWAYS a solution to the problem.
my edit russ -
So... after all that time we were trying to force it together Russ, there is supposed to be a gap s:( :( s:( they could have bloody made that clear with instructions or something I mean how the hell are you supposed to assume something like that?! Plus, you loose the springs on the nuts. Never mind. On the bright side, by looking at these pics I reckon its an hour max job to fit this if I get back from work at a reasonable time tomorrow. And the manifold will just have to be left to the pro to sort out that amigo.
plus, you can see where that weird bracket mounts on. seems so obvious now s:( :( s:(
cant lose the springs on the nuts as there is no tension on them to bring the 2 halves together.
Saying that ANY form of manual would have been a bonus
Quote from: "uktotty"cant lose the springs on the nuts as there is no tension on them to bring the 2 halves together.
Saying that ANY form of manual would have been a bonus
Well apparently the springs aren't necessary, just that semi-cylindrical/conical (gasket?) and a good bit of torqueing should be sufficient to create a strong enough seal - which makes sense, because the exhaust inlet is narrow, so that metal thing getting forced inside it will close the gap and seal off the system without the need for the cat exit and exhaust inlet surfaces to mate. But yes, a manual would have been a RIGHT bonus there. I'm gonna PM Che saying, not rudely, but that its a bit off that peeps are left to their own devices to figure out something like that for themselves.
You bought the cheapest exhaust available for the MR2 by some guy in China who is not exactly know for his quality work. Did you really expect anything different?
Quote from: "tom_deas"Quote from: "uktotty"cant lose the springs on the nuts as there is no tension on them to bring the 2 halves together.
Saying that ANY form of manual would have been a bonus
Well apparently the springs aren't necessary, just that semi-cylindrical/conical (gasket?) and a good bit of torqueing should be sufficient to create a strong enough seal - which makes sense, because the exhaust inlet is narrow, so that metal thing getting forced inside it will close the gap and seal off the system without the need for the cat exit and exhaust inlet surfaces to mate. But yes, a manual would have been a RIGHT bonus there. I'm gonna PM Che saying, not rudely, but that its a bit off that peeps are left to their own devices to figure out something like that for themselves.
Rather you than me mate - you're asking for trouble have two surfaces not straight with each other then squeezing them together to force a fit.
It'll not last i tell yeh, now way hozet!!
I think you are being a tad unfair there (Ekona). If I took 'made in China' off everything in the house then you would get a completely unfurnished let. I can onlly just remember stuff that used to be made in Japan s:lol: :lol: s:lol: and as for made in Britain, well I can't think of anything we actually make!
You know what I'm getting at though: A quick search of here and SC reveals how many items Che has had to replace, and while he's very good at doing so that doesn't remove the fact that he obviously has manufacturing 'issues' in his little tin hut (or wherever he makes them). To expect a 100% sorted exhaust when you're paying absolute peanuts for it is a bit short-sighted to say the least.
I do understand Tom's frustration, yet I can't help but feel he should've seen it coming.
Yeah, I'm not going to seriously argue with that. With most 'after market' stuff you end up having to make it fit.
Trouble is, the main dealer stuff is probably sourced in China too!
First off, do not go without the springs. The joint is meant to flex. If you just crush the exhaust seal, you will put the system under tension. You will probably be OK with the stock cat (the flex joins can move in all directions and shear slightly too) but it could give you problems once the downpipe is on. If you cannot get the springs to fit because the bolts are too long, use longer bolts.
As for Che' stuff. You pay les, so you do not expect the same standard as more expensive stuff. The fail we had a while ago turns out to be a result of the pipe being fitted under tension. Plenty of people are running Che stuff without issue. Cost less, so a bit of a chance.
Looking at the comparative heights of the top hangars, it seems pretty obvious that the system fits across the back of the car at an angle.
Chris
keep the springs or it will leak
Quote from: "Ekona"You bought the cheapest exhaust available for the MR2 by some guy in China who is not exactly know for his quality work. Did you really expect anything different?
No. I knew what risks I was taking, I had to take them, I'm a student, so if I can get away with paying less, I will
It's been an absolute PITA but, all the same, I'm fairly confident the finished job will be worth all the pain s:) :) s:)
and tbh whether I bought a Che or anything else the amigo still would've f*cked, and the exhaust would have gone on fine if prior knowledge of the fitment was known, so... its not a quality issue at all, just the quality of, as Russ puts it, "Toyotas sh*tty chocolate f*cking bolts", and the fact that the exhaust came without instructions
Quote from: "northernalex"KY jelly.. on your exhaust pipe.. now I'm worried..
Trust me,, you'll try to take off the manifold bolds.. round one of them.. go to a garage to get it taken off.. If you can do it youself 1st time I'll buy you a pint..
Alex
Seems your off the hook, Alex. s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
Quote from: "Ekona"You know what I'm getting at though: A quick search of here and SC reveals how many items Che has had to replace, and while he's very good at doing so that doesn't remove the fact that he obviously has manufacturing 'issues' in his little tin hut (or wherever he makes them). To expect a 100% sorted exhaust when you're paying absolute peanuts for it is a bit short-sighted to say the least.
I do understand Tom's frustration, yet I can't help but feel he should've seen it coming.
I seem to remember pointing out the potential pitfalls of Che's goods to Tom several weeks ago on Spyderchat. His inability to listen to advice and the sheer arrogance with which he rejects any attempts to help are going to go down really well. Some very experienced and knowledgeable people have commented on this thread and every time Tom has thrown it back in their faces. Eventually people will stop wasting their time and Tom will do as he pleases anyway, just no one will care. s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Phil
Quote from: "tom_deas"Quote from: "Ekona"You bought the cheapest exhaust available for the MR2 by some guy in China who is not exactly know for his quality work. Did you really expect anything different?
No. I knew what risks I was taking, I had to take them, I'm a student, so if I can get away with paying less, I will
Amazing that students can afford to buy and insure a nice motor like a 2 nowadays; say mod it s:? :? s:? s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
Quote from: "sandstrain"I think you are being a tad unfair there (Ekona). If I took 'made in China' off everything in the house then you would get a completely unfurnished let. I can onlly just remember stuff that used to be made in Japan s:lol: :lol: s:lol: and as for made in Britain, well I can't think of anything we actually make!
It's not where it's made, it's for how much, with what, and by who! It's a false economy to buy cheap crap. A couple of hundred pounds extra for a decent exhaust would have saved hundred's in labour costs.
Quote from: "ChrisGB"Looking at the comparative heights of the top hangars, it seems pretty obvious that the system fits across the back of the car at an angle.
+1
In the fitting picture on SC you can see that the CAT needs to be removed from it's hanger, and then left to sit considerably lower than it once did (based on the humungous gap between hanger and body-side hanger!
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/blingman/lotus2.jpg)
Notice that the Che hanger is right next to the body hanger off the crash bar, while the CAT hanger is now half a mile away - much farther than a stock rubber.
So, yeah, the whole system gets canted over at an angle (which
must pre-stress the flex joints, so I guess you can expect those to fail early, too!).
Quote from: "TJK"Quote from: "sandstrain"I think you are being a tad unfair there (Ekona). If I took 'made in China' off everything in the house then you would get a completely unfurnished let. I can onlly just remember stuff that used to be made in Japan s:lol: :lol: s:lol: and as for made in Britain, well I can't think of anything we actually make!
It's not where it's made, it's for how much, with what, and by who! It's a false economy to buy cheap crap. A couple of hundred pounds extra for a decent exhaust would have saved hundred's in labour costs.
I don't know how well or otherwise this particular exhaust will fit, but the Che single exit one fits to the stock cat in exactly the right place. As for quality, the welding quality on mine is superior to at least one UK built system costing over £400, so I would not be too harsh.
The big advantage for the buyer about getting the kit from the UK is that if you have a problem, there is less shipping hassle to worry about. On the minus side, the lowest price UK built manifold and Exhaust would be north of £700 which is considerably more than the Che setup.
At the end of the day, it is worth a try IMO.
Chris
My Che manifold has been on for best part of three years with no problems, (and a proven BHP gain as reported at one of the dyno days, and a significant weight saving). So if that's cheap crap then 'bring it on' . I could have course have paid £897.44 for the TRD manifold which you could argue, they copied. (Mine cost £159.70).
Quote from: "ChrisGB"I don't know how well or otherwise this particular exhaust will fit, but the Che single exit one fits to the stock cat in exactly the right place. As for quality, the welding quality on mine is superior to at least one UK built system costing over £400, so I would not be too harsh.
The big advantage for the buyer about getting the kit from the UK is that if you have a problem, there is less shipping hassle to worry about. On the minus side, the lowest price UK built manifold and Exhaust would be north of £700 which is considerably more than the Che setup.
At the end of the day, it is worth a try IMO.
Chris
Thanks
QuoteI seem to remember pointing out the potential pitfalls of Che's goods to Tom several weeks ago on Spyderchat. His inability to listen to advice and the sheer arrogance with which he rejects any attempts to help are going to go down really well. Some very experienced and knowledgeable people have commented on this thread and every time Tom has thrown it back in their faces. Eventually people will stop wasting their time and Tom will do as he pleases anyway, just no one will care. s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
I think calling me arrogant is a bit harsh, I mean, like I said it was a weighted risk, I considered all of what was said about the risks and I took that risk because I don't have the cash to blow on spending £800 on a system when I can potentially get away with spending half that. Yes, I am a student at the end of the day, and I DONT have a lot of money right now. The car didn't cost THAT much to buy, it did take me a while to save up, and the tax and insurance is LESS than my old 1.7 Puma. So if its worth a try, its worth a try. I'd have had the same problem with that amigo bolt no matter what system I bought. So in fact my getting the cheap system is a good idea because it'd have to have gone in for professional fitting anyway.
So far as professional labr. costs go, I get it on the cheap anyway as its my uncles business.
I'm not denying its cheap, but IMO the welding is good quality (as mentioned), the materials are at least of an adequate quality, the only fallback is the level of engineering that's gone into it. If you look at Janspeeds box, if its as it is in this pic it'll be as much a PITA to fit as this one, if not more. The exit doesn't seem to sit low enough for sure.
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+1 to the comment on flexi joints, time will tell, but when the time comes I can always replace the cat with an alternative to make it a complete system. And argueably while he makes cheap parts he is still a professional and that risk has been weighted. When I get back from work I'll measure the components and work out (roughly) the torsional stress on each of the flexi-joints. What are the joints made from? (For calculating failure load)
I think some of it is a little bit of brand snobbery going on as well IMHO. At the end of the day a lump of steel is a lump of steel - no doubt there is a limit to it - but at the end of the day all you're buying is a lump of metal, with the only differences being slight in shape and design. Just because I haven't got a TTE etc etc doesn't mean it doesn't work. It might have been a bit less hassle but who's to say? At the end of the day I wouldn't have bothered getting a system at all, I just liked the look of this one, and it made sense with me getting a replacement manifold - which would have cost me more £££ to get over here by itself anyway. To best of knowledge theres nothing wrong with the manifold *touch wood* and there ISNT in principle anything wrong with the Che exhaust apart from the fact its a less effective design and more fiddly fitting. The cause of that really though is the fact its a centre exit - it's bound to be a PITA. But that's the design I liked, albeit a bit love it or hate it.
Besides, whats the point in being the same as everyone else! I'm not denying the other systems out there arent good because they're brilliant, but it's good to have a bit of individuality - I can't say I've personally seen any 2's with centre exits. Like I said, IMO while it's a PITA, the juice will be worth the squeeze. And it's been an experience. In fact if im honest with myself I'd rather have something that challenges me to think outside the box rather than something that just bolts off and bolts on. It's been a learning curve in general. Perhaps a bit of instructions from Che would have been appreciated, but... which in fact if
1) the amigo hadn't rounded
2) the exhaust had come with fitting instructions
Then there wouldn't have been any of these problems.
True????????????
Yeah, I think with the TRD manifold you get a TRD sticker; Che doesn't do that (so that's about 600 quid for the sticker?)
But then my son would't be seen dead in Noke trainers!!
Don't take this the wrong way Tom, I've been nothing but encouraging and would like to see the Che going.
But to me dropping the original cat any further doesn't make sense, below the chassis rail there's a good chance it's going to get smacked at some time on UK roads.
I like the Janspeed because i waited a long time for exactly that configuration - i just like the balanced look it gives to the back of the car, plus it sounds great and works very well - i have a Che manifold so don't give me the "Brand Tart" tag matey!
And for the record, i'll say it again - fitting the Janspeed was a dream, it was actually harder just getting the oem one out. AND it was all done with the bumper in place!
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9168/imgp0011fw5.jpg)
Good price
Looks good
Janspeed after sales excellent
Sounds terrific
Makes power (along with other add ons)
Butt ugly oem cat is nowhere to be seen (especially after some scroat pinched it from my backyard)
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"Don't take this the wrong way Tom, I've been nothing but encouraging and would like to see the Che going.
But to me dropping the original cat any further doesn't make sense, below the chassis rail there's a good chance it's going to get smacked at some time on UK roads.
I like the Janspeed because i waited a long time for exactly that configuration - i just like the balanced look it gives to the back of the car, plus it sounds great and works very well - i have a Che manifold so don't give me the "Brand Tart" tag matey!
And for the record, i'll say it again - fitting the Janspeed was a dream, it was actually harder just getting the oem one out. AND it was all done with the bumper in place!
Good price
Looks good
Janspeed after sales excellent
Sounds terrific
Makes power (along with other add ons)
Butt ugly oem cat is nowhere to be seen (especially after some scroat pinched it from my backyard)
Fair enough, its just from the pic of Janspeed it looked like it would have been awkward? But fair play really.
I mean like all said above. I knew what I was getting into, and it's just a bit more of a bugger than anything else. I've paid my money now, will just have to fit it and see what happens really. It will work, otherwise it wouldn't be for sale, lol, but may undoubtedly have problems further down the line.
But by that time I'll have the dosh for a better system. At the end of the day that ones only effectively set me back about £100, as the postage was negligible. Which isn't enough to cry over.
Don't mean to snap above just don't appreciate the "arrogance" comments! It might seem that I'm disregarding what people say, but it's not, it's just a calculated risk and if it works it works if it doesnt it doesnt at end of day, it's my cash lost not anyone elses but I'd rather risk £100 and have a few tears and a learning experience than pay £400 and just plain have a better product (lol). Frankly if I can get this working I'll be more chuffed with myself for the effort, which will be worth it all. But it's not like I've sat here at any point saying anything other than "thanks for the warnings, you know what, I'm gonna take the risk and see what happens", it's not as if I'm sat here bitching on about how nobody warned me I might have problems. I knew what I was getting into.
If the cat gets bashed about can always invest in a downpipe in the future. Though may be a bit too noisy, if the vid clips I've seen are anything to go by s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
On the bright side even if it's a total failure, if anything the box looks pretty and would make a good (if unusual) wall ornament s;) ;) s;)
Quote from a senior Spyderchat member who has the system
QuoteIf your talking where the exhaust bolts on to the cat, it does sit slightly at an angle but with the stock donut gasket, it seals up with no leak, just make sure the both bolts are pretty tight. After driving it around for a little, go back and re tighten the bolts. hope that helps. good luck. Che is really a great guy, and I buy most of my stuff from him.
And then got an email from Che...
QuoteHi Tom,
Attached 2 pictures of the Exhaust I have In-stock these are all the sam batch production, one thing I've noticed the issue is not from the flange angle. The Exhaust picture you send to me if you look at the center Resonator Pipe is not straight it went kinda of upward to the left. That is the caused of the flange is not able to meet up.
Now take at look 2 pictures on single or Dual Canister Exhaust the center is straight line, but the flange is slightly at an angle.
These Exhaust are availble since September 2007 and 67 sets are sold since than, this is the first exhaust with the Center resonator is not straight. Of course nothing is perfect, I had to replace 2 exhausts for customer with other issues.
Anyway I will personally inspect another exhaust and ship it to you for replacement No Charge, you can keep the other exhaust but I'm sure you can have Exhaust shop re-weld the piping and you still be able to use it or keep it for spare.
Sorry for the troubles, as all items not made perfect. Even factory OEM parts have defects or broken during short term usage. I've got you covered, Tracking # will e-mail later this evening. Thank you !
Best Regards,
Che @ delubozparts
m http://www.delubozparts.com (http://www.delubozparts.com) m (Web-Site)
m http://www.stores.ebay.com/delubozparts (http://www.stores.ebay.com/delubozparts) m (E-Bay Store)
What a top man. I'm sorry, but that kind of service you don't get anywhere. You have to give him that. A photo on a forum and he offers to ship another one out at the drop of a hat.
lol, nice one che,
as i said earlier tom, i will give you 30 quid for the (spare) pipes s:D :D s:D
E
So we're saying it's a sh*t product but with great service? Just checking.
Quote from: "Ekona"So we're saying it's a sh*t product but with great service? Just checking.
lol *thumbs up*
not a shit product, IMO it looks really nice, just perhaps some issues with quality control. but excellent service.
so while I've had a bad experience, I'd still recommend him to anyone. he isn't offering the best quality - he is offering the best service though, and peace of mind is worth a lot to me
Quote£30 for the pipes
Gonna keep it as a spare mate. Or, alternatively, a really unusual wall ornament s:D :D s:D
Given that most of the parts on your car are probably made in China anyway, then that's the best service I've seen in ages.
So how much did you say you wanted for the old one? You'r not going to keep the car long enough to need a spare s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
And out of 10 as a wall feature??? Weell,... I think I'm going towards zero!!
Quote from: "tom_deas"peace of mind is worth a lot to me
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I think if it was, you'd have got the Janspeed in the first place s;) ;) s;) s;) ;) s;) s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "Ekona"Quote from: "tom_deas"peace of mind is worth a lot to me
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I think if it was, you'd have got the Janspeed in the first place s;) ;) s;) s;) ;) s;) s;) ;) s;)
I think I'd have bought a Porsche, Bma or a Merk???
Quote from: "tom_deas"peace of mind is worth a lot to me
Surely 'peace of mind' is a product that fits?
Peace of mind is knowing that any problems will be sortet out. Just renewed my car insurance with M&S (well, it's not really with them is it!) and they've fucket it up. They have assured me over the phone that I wil get a refund but that's not what it says on my recent transactions listing. Once you've pressed all of the numbers on the phone to get to 'your chosen option' and have hummed along for five minuits to some bloody song that you don't know, then think of Che - no problem, I'll send you another one at no cost.
Quote from: "sandstrain"Peace of mind is knowing that any problems will be sortet out. Just renewed my car insurance with M&S (well, it's not really with them is it!) and they've fucket it up. They have assured me over the phone that I wil get a refund but that's not what it says on my recent transactions listing. Once you've pressed all of the numbers on the phone to get to 'your chosen option' and have hummed along for five minuits to some bloody song that you don't know, then think of Che - no problem, I'll send you another one at no cost.
Exactly. I'd rather be the 5% error chance with 100% confidence in customer service as opposed to the 0.1% error chance with no confidence in customer service. But to each their own. Granted, if I wanted total peace of mind Janspeed may have been the way forward s:wink: :wink: s:wink: but all said and done now eh
Great service from Che I have to agree, but it did cost us a lot of time and money to get to that point.
Just thank god you werent paying £80 ph labour from MrT to get your free replacement
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"And for the record, i'll say it again - fitting the Janspeed was a dream, it was actually harder just getting the oem one out. AND it was all done with the bumper in place!
I can confirm that it was a doddle to fit and without removing the bumper as I helped Nic put it in. I think we only took the back lights out and the whole job must've only taken 2 hours tops a dream install, and a quality finish
Quote from: "tom_deas"QuoteHi Tom,
Attached 2 pictures of the Exhaust I have In-stock these are all the sam batch production, one thing I've noticed the issue is not from the flange angle. The Exhaust picture you send to me if you look at the center Resonator Pipe is not straight it went kinda of upward to the left. That is the caused of the flange is not able to meet up.
Now take at look 2 pictures on single or Dual Canister Exhaust the center is straight line, but the flange is slightly at an angle.
These Exhaust are availble since September 2007 and 67 sets are sold since than, this is the first exhaust with the Center resonator is not straight. Of course nothing is perfect, I had to replace 2 exhausts for customer with other issues.
Anyway I will personally inspect another exhaust and ship it to you for replacement No Charge, you can keep the other exhaust but I'm sure you can have Exhaust shop re-weld the piping and you still be able to use it or keep it for spare.
Sorry for the troubles, as all items not made perfect. Even factory OEM parts have defects or broken during short term usage. I've got you covered, Tracking # will e-mail later this evening. Thank you !
Best Regards,
Che @ delubozparts
m http://www.delubozparts.com (http://www.delubozparts.com) m (Web-Site)
m http://www.stores.ebay.com/delubozparts (http://www.stores.ebay.com/delubozparts) m (E-Bay Store)
Wow - he must be making one hell of a mark up on this product.
The raw materials are negligible, just imagine what H&S or Janspeed are making!!!
It''s not worth him paying freight for a damaged item, far cheaper to replace it.
seeing as how all H&S stuff is hand TIG welded and they use a higher grade of stainless not so much as you might think
The che and the other products available arent even close to being made from the same raw materials
The che manifold is made from scrap ends of pipe, leftovers stuck together.
Wouldn't you have thought it would be cheaper for Tom to get his parts fixed over here and charge Che for the work done rather than Che shipping a brand new product?
Unless the product costs less than a bit a metalwork time over here ??
I think Che is just trying to make the best of an unhappy customer Danny
Quote from: "uktotty"I think Che is just trying to make the best of an unhappy customer Danny
I don't think so, he's protecting the other 100 or so units he needs to sell which he as in stock s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
The bottom line is if you are happy to put this type of product on your car - OK, I think that most people are unlikely to keep their cars more than 3 years any way so long term reliability is not a real issue.
Bye the way I do buy materials from China - mainly Titanium, you can get some top notch mills out there, you just need a very good QA system to support it. This does include pipe s:D :D s:D
I wasn't trying to have a go Russ but there really is no such thing as a free lunch.
I congratulate Che on what he does and on the way he replaces the parts so quickly and efficiently but there is no way he would do it if he ended up out of pocket, unhappy customer or not.
If it would cost less money to have the product professionally fixed and then the bill paid by the Che then which do you think he would choose ?
Its not very difficult to say get it fixed and I will foot the bill to appease an unhappy customer but it must be cheaper to throw another maifold over the pond
IMHO
PS - What Rob said ^
Quote from: "DannyN"I wasn't trying to have a go Russ but there really is no such thing as a free lunch.
I congratulate Che on what he does and on the way he replaces the parts so quickly and efficiently but there is no way he would do it if he ended up out of pocket, unhappy customer or not.
If it would cost less money to have the product professionally fixed and then the bill paid by the Che then which do you think he would choose ?
Its not very difficult to say get it fixed and I will foot the bill to appease an unhappy customer but it must be cheaper to throw another maifold over the pond
IMHO
PS - What Rob said ^
Definately. It's probs quite a markup, but the main thing is at the end of the day his business is based on reputation, and he's maintaining his very strong rep for replacing any defunct products. Otherwise he wouldn't get the volume of MR2 owners going to him as he does (especially stateside).
Getting mine fixed could be a PITA. But easier for him to do what he's doing - he's fitting an exhaust to his MR2 to make sure its definately A-Ok and then bunging it in the post to me.
Quote from: "tom_deas"he's fitting an exhaust to his MR2 to make sure its definately A-Ok and then bunging it in the post to me.
he said that?
I thought he said
"Anyway I will personally inspect another exhaust and ship it to you for replacement No Charge, you can keep the other exhaust but I'm sure you can have Exhaust shop re-weld the piping and you still be able to use it or keep it for spare." from your earlier post
it's one thing inspecting it I doubt he's going to fit, and then unfit and then send it to you
Theres no way he is going to fit one to his MR2 (if he even owns one) and then take it off and send it to you. At the most he will personally have a look at the one he is going to send and and make sure it looks straight.
Quote from: "DannyN"Theres no way he is going to fit one to his MR2 (if he even owns one) and then take it off and send it to you. At the most he will personally have a look at the one he is going to send and and make sure it looks straight.
what he said
Tom, I'm not bloody joking, I want first dibs on that inferior, rubbish, sub standard, bad looking copy of the Janspeed???? Where do they get theirs made, don't tell me, all tubes individually selected for colour match, hand crafted for for maximum power and torque, of course they are, X$%^&*(??? What does that mean boss?? I think it's either yes or no in Chinese).
Why don't we manufacture much any more?
God, (can I say that?) I need to get a life, I'm just posting too much on this forum.
However Tom, stop teasing, name the price.
Quote from: "sandstrain"Tom, I'm not bloody joking, I want first dibs on that inferior, rubbish, sub standard, bad looking copy of the Janspeed???? Where do they get theirs made, don't tell me, all tubes individually selected for colour match, hand crafted for for maximum power and torque, of course they are, X$%^&*(??? What does that mean boss?? I think it's either yes or no in Chinese).
Why don't we manufacture much any more?
God, (can I say that?) I need to get a life, I'm just posting too much on this forum.
However Tom, stop teasing, name the price.
OI step off sandyboy, i got dibs on this !!!! s:D :D s:D
I guess it's thee or me then my son s:D :D s:D but I know how to get it off his wall!!
shame its not a twin exit, and we could have had one each. lol
Thank Christ it's not twin entry s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I think those Cusco parts were twin entry
Quote from: "sandstrain"Tom, I'm not bloody joking, I want first dibs on that inferior, rubbish, sub standard, bad looking copy of the Janspeed???? Where do they get theirs made, don't tell me, all tubes individually selected for colour match, hand crafted for for maximum power and torque, of course they are, X$%^&*(??? What does that mean boss?? I think it's either yes or no in Chinese).
Why don't we manufacture much any more?
God, (can I say that?) I need to get a life, I'm just posting too much on this forum.
However Tom, stop teasing, name the price.
lmao s;) ;) s;)
and email to say he's fitting it... well three emails...
QuoteJust want to check with you before I ship out the Exhaust, will you be ok if wait 2 days for me to ship out the exhaust ??? Because I want to pre-test fit the Exhaust on my friend Spyder before ship out to you to be on safe side. Due ot the shipping is expensive and want to take extra pre-caustions, let me know if this is ok with you.
QuoteThat will work out perfect, this way we both have good peace of mind. I will snap some pre-test fitment pictures in close up view for you. Just want to be 100% sure, Thank you !
Quote(...) BTW my friend wil be at our facility this afternoon, I will personally pre-test fit the exhaust and take pictures. After everything confirm on the fitment than I will ship the exhaust to you . Thank you for patience !
so he is pre fitting it. makes sense, as the shipping cost is in the region of £100 for that package, which is a lot of money to blow on shipping
God (sorry) that's crap service!! He's actually trying to fix the problem! Must be a hidden agenda here somewhere!
where's the catch, there must be a catch. musn't there?
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I think that the only catch is, whoever gets the Che exhaust, how much will it cost you to make it fit?
So just drop out now because your motor will look much better, sound much better, and go much beter with the Janspeed. Just leave it to us poor southerners to make do and mend.
Interesting read this thread. Che has made a good business for himself selling mod parts at relatively low prices. Most of his business is in the USA where these cars are cheap and people do not lavish lots of money on them. The reason many go to him is because his customer service. It is also worth mentioning that he does listen to his customers and upgrades and modifies his products accordingly.
Here in the UK, the labour rate is much higher than the USA, so Che offering to cover say 3 or 4 hours of shop time will probably cost him more than shipping a new exhaust.
However, if there is one thing this little escapade has proved, it is that if you want budget parts for your MR2, you could do a lot worse than to buy from Che. I got the single exit from him. Because the way it is jointed, it is not fully compatible with my PPE setup, but it was absolutely fine on the stock cat. You pays your money and takes your choice.
Chris
Quote from: "ChrisGB"You pays your money and takes your choice.
Absolutely - as long as you go into things with your eyes open.. granted Tom did get stung by something unexpected here, and I do think he'd have been better off with the Janspeed, you can't argue with the price and the support from Che.
Lots of reference to the Janspeed here, but I cannot help thinking it will be very loud, given the small silencer volume.
The hassle I had with my proposed custom setup on 6" diameter carbon fibre boxes was that I could not fit enough silencing volume in the space available.
Chris
Quote from: "aaronjb"Quote from: "ChrisGB"You pays your money and takes your choice.
Absolutely - as long as you go into things with your eyes open.. granted Tom did get stung by something unexpected here, and I do think he'd have been better off with the Janspeed, you can't argue with the price and the support from Che.
Yeap. Was going in expecting a bit of hassle, but not quite this. Quite happy with the resolve though. And whats more I've got myself the front strut brace thrown in with the latest shipment for just $50 / £25 on top s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "ChrisGB"Lots of reference to the Janspeed here, but I cannot help thinking it will be very loud, given the small silencer volume.
The hassle I had with my proposed custom setup on 6" diameter carbon fibre boxes was that I could not fit enough silencing volume in the space available.
Chris
The Janspeed isn't exactly quiet either s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
::: UPDATE :::
Fedex have lost it on a plane somewhere. Last barcode scan of the tracking # was it getting put on a place at Houston, Texas, but apparently it didn't get scanned off of the plane. So Fedex are going to call up half of the south of england to find out where its ended up.
Not having much luck with this eh!
'Life's a bitch, and then you die' s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "sandstrain"'Life's a bitch, and then you die' s:D :D s:D
+1
not having much luck with this fiasco s;) ;) s;)
im sure it will be worth the B-S though
Che sent me a massive email with a billion install pics in so it'll be clear as cake
Quote from: "tom_deas"::: UPDATE :::
Fedex have lost it on a plane somewhere. Last barcode scan of the tracking # was it getting put on a place at Houston, Texas, but apparently it didn't get scanned off of the plane. So Fedex are going to call up half of the south of england to find out where its ended up.
Not having much luck with this eh!
perhaps fedex liked it so much they fitted it to the plane
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Enid, your still after the exhaust too aren't you?? I have to concede dibs (very reluctantly)
Keep your chin up Tom eventually all will be sorted
Quote from: "sandstrain"Enid, your still after the exhaust too aren't you?? I have to concede dibs (very reluctantly)
Is that cos you nicked the new one from a plane in Texas?
Quote from: "enid_b"Quote from: "tom_deas"::: UPDATE :::
Fedex have lost it on a plane somewhere. Last barcode scan of the tracking # was it getting put on a place at Houston, Texas, but apparently it didn't get scanned off of the plane. So Fedex are going to call up half of the south of england to find out where its ended up.
Not having much luck with this eh!
perhaps fedex liked it so much they fitted it to the plane
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Yeah they called me up to ask if Che will do manifolds and a downpipe for a Boeing 747
Called up fedex, they said they still dont know where it is but they'll call me back, called them 30seconds later to tell them i have a customs clearance code and the rather dippy girl said "it says here that it's already cleared customs". Talk about f*cking disorganised lol the guy i spoke to couldnt even read off a screen "yes, it isnt still sat on the plane, it has left customs now". unless he wasnt the brightest of chaps and assumed that items could clear customs and then get lumped back on a plane for some other part of the world. Unbelievable. Never mind.
Quote from: "uktotty"Quote from: "sandstrain"Enid, your still after the exhaust too aren't you?? I have to concede dibs (very reluctantly)
Is that cos you nicked the new one from a plane in Texas?
Tham thar exhheausts are like black gold over here, better than Texas tea. (probably came into Terminal 5, Whoops! sorry s:D :D s:D )
Well I got a call from Fedex for a change at 5pm saying that basically they've found it and are expressing it through their depot to get it to me first thing tomorrow morning.
Which isn't totally helpful because theres slim chance of someone being in tomorrow... will leave my number on the door (work 5min drive away) but they better leave it with the neighbours.
Can they not get the driver to give you a call half an hour before he gets there ?
Its what I generally do with deliveries and it works a treat
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Just a stupid minor point, but on your note, authorise them to leave it with the neighbour and sign it.
Don't know with FedEx but with a lot of mainstream firms they won't take the chance (insurance I guess).
Obviously, put the note in an envelope or something first.
Or, as said above s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Will call up fedex yes but the problem is I KNOW they won't pass the message on to the driver because they're useless
And they didn't have a problem leaving with neighbour before... but would rather they left it with me.
Right it has in fact arrived
and it is in fact FITTED
pics coming soon
everything seems fine, but obviously im jinxed with this project so im expecting something to go wrong! lmao. what im going to do is keep it under 3k RPM for the next couple days until early next week when i visit mechanic RE the amigos, and then if theres any problems while he's under there he can just check everythings a-ok. but it should be fine - ive used all OEM bits, it all seems to line up and alright and seem straight...
taking it for a proper spin in a minute. but first impressions -
Positives
- Looks brilliant
- Sounds brilliant - even with the first rev, can't wait until its broken in, and till the manifold is on!
Negative
- MILD concern over clearance issues with bumper and cat, but to be utterly frank I in fact NO longer care less lol. Like said, I'll bring this to attention of mechanic and if he reckons it will be a problem then I'll get him to sort it. The car isn't going to be doing journeys over 5 miles until then, so shouldnt be a problem.
Summary
It's been a lot of tears, but it seems as if (so long as nothing else goes wrong) it will be worth it. I'll post pics and vids etc at the weekend when I get a moment. But for now I'm off for a drive... with the RAC card in one hand and a socket set in the other! s;) ;) s;)
glad to hear you have finally got this one resolved tom, you have been through the mill on this one for sure.
good to hear you are taking it gently.
fingers crossed for the inspection and bedding in period.
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Phew Tom, quite an Odyssey this one eh?
Glad you've got it and its on (well mostly - manifold to go yet).
Look forward to the pictures.
Looks good, sounds great, might need a heat sheild between it and the bumper clearance, any advice greatly received.
Quote from: "uktotty"Looks good, sounds great, might need a heat sheild between it and the bumper clearance, any advice greatly received.
The tip of my Che single exit sits close to the bumper, around 4mm. It never touches and has never scorched the bumper.
Chris
Mines closer than that - I'm talking 1mm. I've got a plan to sit it a bit lower though - turns out the "funky bracket" is to hold the system DOWN rather than give any support. But going to have to drill into the chassis to mount it. But it's fine without it atm, I'm only pottering around town.
Definately worth all the blood sweat and tears. At idle its totally silent - which is a weight off my mind, thats what i wanted - but with a bit of pedal it gives a really nice, low, purposeful little rumble. For the first 5 miles it got very quickly deeper and deeper and seems to have settled down after 30 miles or so. No problems at all - doesnt seem to be a seal problem as theres no blowing in exhaust.
Only time will tell. But will try and get a video tomorrow - or if its raining, the next sunny day.
Thanks for evreryones help with this, especially Russ!
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cr*p picture, was sunset and with phone
Really chuffed its all done mate, happy to help.
Now
Springs
Indicators
and THIS Body kit
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Glad you've got it sorted at last Tom, at least it was worth it! Awaiting some better pics and the vid when it's sunny s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "onion86"Glad you've got it sorted at last Tom, at least it was worth it! Awaiting some better pics and the vid when it's sunny s:) :) s:)
will try and get some pics and vids tomorrow, supposed to be sunny. so far as update goes - done about 200 miles in it now, 100 miles tonight alone bopping around the county, and it definately seems well broken in. the increase in noise has meant ive stuck the markiii on (only reason i had it off was to satisfy my need for noise!), and definately noticing a torque bump. IE hill climbs im finding im hitting higher speeds on certain stretches than i was before - by a factor of quite a bit. and with a lot of junk and a passenger in the car as well!
just noticed the system has dropped down about 5mm, so theres an amount of clearance between it and the bumper. not sure of the reason for this, whether its natural or something to be concerned about, but im assuming its just the rubbers stretching to a new position. either way, im quite confident in its security there and that it isnt going anywhere.
so far as the seal goes - i gave it a bit of a thrashing tonight with dual carriageway runs and some sprints and absolutely no problems apparent with the seal. no blowing AT all. will tighten the bolts anyway as matter of course tomorrow but all seems grand and dandy.
sound - absolutely brilliant. really has settled in to a nice tone now, very sporty. with the markiii on its gotten slightly quieter, which is good, as it makes it a bit more relaxed. when revving and suddenly applying clutch / dropping revs you can hear a very faint popping/burbling.
im going to try and get a video with the top down driving around festival place car park at some point. its such a well enclosed space that it makes it really easy to get an idea of the sound it makes, albeit a bit biased on the side of louder due to the slight echo.
so all in all, very pleased with it. have had a lot of good comments about it, not as it being, as the americans would put it, "ricer" at all, but a deep, throaty note as if from a larger capacity engine. its been a lot of hassle, but seeing as i know how to fit it now (and believe me it wasnt that hard - if anything it was a breeze to get those tips in compared to trying to get the OEM f*cking tip in there), so id definately recommend it to anybody on the hedge about it.
mind you IIRC im currently the only one in the country, which is a nice little thing to tell to mates eh s:) :) s:) especially seeing as they arent aware that this "jen che lin" bloke is technically a purveyour of budget goods s;) ;) s;)
pics / vids tomorrow
Quote from: "tom_deas"mind you IIRC I'm currently the only one in the country, which is a nice little thing to tell to mates eh s:) :) s:)
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Quote from: "evileye_xc"Quote from: "tom_deas"mind you IIRC I'm currently the only one in the country, which is a nice little thing to tell to mates eh s:) :) s:)
m http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/523382.htm (http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/523382.htm) m
£12,400 for an import with hideous style bars!!
Quote from: "uktotty"Quote from: "evileye_xc"Quote from: "tom_deas"mind you IIRC I'm currently the only one in the country, which is a nice little thing to tell to mates eh s:) :) s:)
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£12,400 for an import with hideous style bars!!
bargain. i think thats gonna be on there for a long time.
looking forward to the video tom
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I think Phil was just making the point that its not the only twin center exit in the country.
d'ya think alex? s:D :D s:D
j
Quote from: "northernalex"I think Phil was just making the point that its not the only twin center exit in the country.
Errrr - Wabbitkilla ?!
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<<Ahem, wandering off topic here!!>>
-still waiting for Tom to show his video, come on Tom, whats keeping you?? Seriously looking forward to hearing what it sounds like!
Quote from: "enid_b"d'you think alex? s:D :D s:D
j
Erm,, yes... but someone didnt get the obviousness of the comment... s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "northernalex"Quote from: "enid_b"d'you think alex? s:D :D s:D
j
Erm,, yes... but someone didnt get the obviousness of the comment... s:( :( s:(
Oops.. missed liz's comment.. sorry..
Vid... s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Liz"<<Ahem, wandering off topic here!!>>
-still waiting for Tom to show his video, come on Tom, whats keeping you?? Seriously looking forward to hearing what it sounds like!
got a bit distracted today *looks embaressed* problem is i need a mate to hold the phone for a driving one... will get a standing vid tomorrow lunchtime, im determined not to forget!
and no i know its not the only twin centre exit i mean its to best of my knowledge the only Che twin-centre imported. that exhaust deffers isnt one of them as if look closely appears as if the tailpipe curves a bit
viddys tomorrow, i swear on my grave. i went on contract today and got a new phone (samsung F480 apparently?) which appears to have a good camera (5MP anyway with some fancy gadgets) so will try and snap a vid on that
::: UPDATE :::
Have taken a vid but can't work out how to get it from phone to PC. looks like im gonna have to buy a memory card, transfer the vid to THAT and THEN plug my phone in. so will try and get a memory card now and transfer vid after work. isnt the best quality but you get an idea for the note
Quote from: "tom_deas"::: UPDATE :::
Have taken a vid but can't work out how to get it from phone to PC. looks like I'm gonna have to buy a memory card, transfer the vid to THAT and THEN plug my phone in. so will try and get a memory card now and transfer vid after work. isnt the best quality but you get an idea for the note
Bluetooth dongle ftw! Cheaper option and works to transfer anything bluetooth.
BLUETOOTH!
Damn I thought these young people were up wiv the techno stuf innit!
If there's no dongle then the phone must come with a usb cable. I'm sure I have uploaded things straight to image shack direct from my connected phone. If not I usually email from my phone to my pc, tho a vid clip Might be too big.
Phil
YES, i am aware of bluetooth, but i dont have a blooty dongle. and if im gonna spend money i may as well spend it on a memory card so that i have extra storage space, as i have a USB cable to connect the phone up
ive decided its a bit of a hash but im gonna find a PAYT sim lying around, stick it in my old phone, bluetooth the vid to THAT phone then upload it with that cable. and before you ask, i cant just take the mem stick out of that phone and stick it in new one because wrong type of stick.
so vid coming in about 30mins
LINK WILL BE HERE ONCE YOUTUBE FINISHES PROCESSING
YouTube - Che Exhaust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVJgbW-9meM)
Bearing in mind it's a rubbish quality vid cos obv taken with a phone, aaaaand thats JUST the exhaust not the manifold. And it's on my driveway not a moving vid, and the engine wasn't quite totally warm. So I'm going to try and dig up my stepdads digicam and get my mate to take a few running vids while I'm driving.
Honest opinions?
Nice rasp/bubble to it s:) :) s:) obviously sounds meatier in real life s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "northernalex"Nice rasp/bubble to it s:) :) s:) obviously sounds meatier in real life s:) :) s:)
oh no doubt about it. has a nice rasp to it, thats what a lot of people have commented, im quite pleasantly surprised with the sound.
ive got another vid of the car running through a tunnel, not at full throttle because of a damn jag in the way but you get a bit of an idea, but the sound of the exhaust is fazed out by my potty mouth at ignorant drivers so i shant be uploading that one s;) ;) s;)
better photo
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and adding this one just cos i like the photo s:) :) s:)
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and this one.... debadged
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Hope you kicked that poser for sitting on your car Tom :-) :-) :-)
Quote from: "markiii"Hope you kicked that poser for sitting on your car Tom :-) :-) :-)
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Looks good and sounds nice Tom, there at last eh?
Quote from: "markiii"Hope you kicked that poser for sitting on your car Tom :-) :-) :-)
The one with pink sunglasses s:?: :?: s:?: s:D :D s:D
I thought I had replied to this thread...nice sound on that Tom - like the raspy noise.
Nice pout as well! Just never go down Basildon on a croooooze and pose on your car like that - they will eat you alive!
s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "markiii"Hope you kicked that poser for sitting on your car Tom :-) :-) :-)
kicked him square in the bollocks s;) ;) s;)
and thanks, is a good sound. sometime this week going to try and get a video of a run through a tunnel, either M4 J13 underpass or basingstoke festival place, both sound absolutely beautiful. very pleased with this exhaust. its been tears, but... just need to get that manifold on now.
Quote from: "muffdan"Fitted my Che header on the first attempt no worries and no bolts caused me an issue either! s:) :) s:) Was I just lucky?
So did I - mine's a stella please alex! s:D :D s:D
i think i just had a bit of sods luck with the bolts. to be fair to me, if halfords hadnt told me three consecutive times that they didnt have penetrating agent then i wudve got that on and might have been lucky... but point what-iffing. going to get it to the mechanic soon, just for some reason worried something is going to go drastically wrong - so to be quite honest, im not in a hurry, id rather put it off for a few weeks until after all my summer mini breaks are out of the way on a trusted setup.
though at the same time cant wait for the manifold to go on. its staring at me atm, begging to be put on s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "Chris"Quote from: "muffdan"Fitted my Che header on the first attempt no worries and no bolts caused me an issue either! s:) :) s:) Was I just lucky?
So did I - mine's a stella please alex! s:D :D s:D
Hey I wasn't offering everyone s:) :) s:) lol s:) :) s:) Two lucky people.. I didnt even attempt my own three amigos.. got a garage to do it. Recently had a problem with one when swapping my downpipe for my cat. Took the garage about 3 hours to get it off and cost me 20 quid lol s:) :) s:)
I think I bought my plusgas from ebay.
That lovely fella Spit fitted my Che manifold...no problems whatsoever s:D :D s:D
again, taken on a crappy phone, so doesnt do it justice, but going through a tunnel in watford
Che in a tunnel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCC38ntqV_Q)
I was SUPPOSED to be going to welwyn garden city, and A1 just outside hatfield / welwyn has an amazing mile long tunnel, but unfortunately no dice
Just watched that video and unfortunately its quite quiet s:( :( s:( really need to get the video camera out...
Same cr*ppy phone but in an "enclosed space" near me. Sounds much better this video. Very short though, 4 seconds.
Che in "enclosed space" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkYGKmSGpcs)
NB, I've added a disclaimer to my videos stating that at no point did I break the speeding limit or commit any driving offences and people viewing the video should refrain from such activity themselves. Just thought that covers me... need to try and edit out my numberplate on the other video, somehow. TBH everyone on here probably knows what it is after the whole "debate" lol, but would rather avoid posting it on YouTube s;) ;) s;)
and additionally ive now added a disclaimer to my OTHER vid, as carefully worded as i could to not ADMIT illegality of what im doing with the numberplate but merely stating that the plate is for show purposes only as it is my name, and for people to abide by their local laws regarding registration plates
albeit, nobody could clone my car without getting a Che themselves so I'm safe there eh s:P :P s:P
think ive made the point with these vids so no point me taking or posting any more, until ive got the manifold on. but, if anyone is looking to get one of these themselves im more than happy to meet up. there was one guy from essex who PM'd me - ill be possibly heading that end of town in a few weeks if you still wanted to get an eyeful. or likewise, if anyone is interested and DOES want a better quality vid i can do that for them, its just a "getting round to it" kind of thing
Tom
I've heard better quality farts in the bath mate. s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Please give it up as a bad job.
Rob. s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
ouch rob, that hurts.
s:D :D s:D J
Quote from: "enid_b"ouch rob, that hurts.
s:D :D s:D J
When you solicit attention to such a degree, sometimes home truths are told E.
I will have another star please. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
ill put it down to a mix of poor sound quality and personal taste s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
bit like marmite
Quote from: "tom_deas"if anyone is interested and DOES want a better quality vid i can do that for them
Yes please. I am really interested in seeing and hearing more of your exhaust. It is really, really great s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Phil
Quote from: "evileye_xc"Quote from: "tom_deas"if anyone is interested and DOES want a better quality vid i can do that for them
Yes please. I am really interested in seeing and hearing more of your exhaust. It is really, really great s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Phil
WTF s:scared: :scared: s:scared: s:scared: :scared: s:scared: - yep you've gone gay. s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
no im sorry im just posting something, believe it or not you do have the right NOT to bother reading this thread, but at the end of the day this IS the only one of these in the country - if id got a TTE or w/e like everyone else then id see your point, but... if you dont wanna read this thread, then dont, if you wanna read this thread anyway and want to voice an opinion, you're more than welcome to, just as much as you're more than welcome to go ahead and f*ck off s:) :) s:) s;) ;) s;)
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apologies - but as a matter of avoiding that im not going to bother posting again to this thread anyway unless theres anything much worth posting.
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Quote from: "tom_deas"They're my toys and I'm taking them home!
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