Well after a quote from Toyota of £150+vat for the 2 side strikers i thought no way and i will make my own,if nothing else it buys me time to find some reasonable priced ones so here is how i did it.
First i got 2 pieces of metal (these started life as large L brackets) and using a vice and hammer shaped them to this shape using the front bracket on top of the windscreen as a guide for size and shape of the very top.
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Test fit.
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Strikers painted.
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Finished and fitted.
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Whilst I agree the toyota price is rediculous, at least they are metal forgings that are considerably more substantial than a piece of folded plate.
I give those no more than a few weeks before the hard top will be rattling like mad as they will straighten under the constant tension of the latch combined with the additional stress as the chassis twists going over bumps. At the very least you need to weld a triangular web between the horizontal and vertical parts.
haha there pretty spot on mate, I was thinking, someone could actually make a killing selling the kit
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No way I'd be relying on them to hold the HT in place. Sod that for a game of soldiers.
10/10 for effort and invention though.
good idea but they need to be way way beefier, they look dangerous and I wouldn't be driving with my hardtop using them.
I think you should wait until you've go your Version 2.0 s:wink: :wink: s:wink: ones before you put a hardtop onto them
max speed limit with those fitted should be 10mph on a calm day. mental note not to drive behind you until they are fortified.
nice innovation though, cant argue with that s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Ilogik"someone could actually make a killing selling the kit
Couldnt agree more - killing the poor b'stard driving behind the person who bought them s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Pay the money, £150 or the chance of losing your hardtop, causing an accident, causing an injury and nullifying your insurance.
Quote from: "nelix"Pay the money, £150 or the chance of losing your hardtop, causing an accident, causing an injury and nullifying your insurance.
These are not the only things holding the hard top on,i have the rear brackets and the front brackets aswell so there is no way the hardtop is going to fly off! There is no way i am going to pay £150+ for 2 bits of metal,I may add strengthening though.
Your choice. Would not be me for the reasons stated. The rear chrome brackets do not actually "hold" the hard top on, so if you did have a failure of one or both of your homemade brackets it would only be the front latches keeping it on.
As previously said though, i also would not drive behind you.
Quote from: "life of bryan"These are not the only things holding the hard top on,i have the rear brackets and the front brackets aswell so there is no way the hardtop is going to fly off! There is no way i am going to pay £150+ for 2 bits of metal
Okay, if you're not going to take constructive criticism very well then I'll be a tad more blunt: You're an idiot if you think that those crappy little bits of metal are a good idea. Either stump up the money for the proper items, make something a billion times thicker, or take the hardtop off.
Wasn't there someone who's still a current club member who drove around for ages without side strikers attached to his hardtop? I forget who it was but don't recall them posting about any flying hardtops. I'm not suggesting that anyone should do that, just that I think someone has before.
Phil
Quote from: "Dan M"Quote from: "life of bryan"These are not the only things holding the hard top on,i have the rear brackets and the front brackets aswell so there is no way the hardtop is going to fly off! There is no way i am going to pay £150+ for 2 bits of metal
Okay, if you're not going to take constructive criticism very well then I'll be a tad more blunt: You're an idiot if you think that those crappy little bits of metal are a good idea. Either stump up the money for the proper items, make something a billion times thicker, or take the hardtop off.
I noticed you edited the bit that said i would look into strengthening from my quote so if that isnt taking on board constructive criticism what is?I do see many of the points of view but i believe that it wouldnt be too difficult to make something strong and functional instead of giving in to Toyota's blackmail.Also the metal i have used is far from flimsy in fact it took quite a bit of beating with a 2lb lump hammer to get it into shape.
Quote from: "Dan M"Quote from: "life of bryan"These are not the only things holding the hard top on,i have the rear brackets and the front brackets aswell so there is no way the hardtop is going to fly off! There is no way i am going to pay £150+ for 2 bits of metal
Okay, if you're not going to take constructive criticism very well then I'll be a tad more blunt: You're an idiot if you think that those crappy little bits of metal are a good idea. Either stump up the money for the proper items, make something a billion times thicker, or take the hardtop off.
Sorry to say this but the comment you make discribed as"Blunt" could be considered darn right rude,,,,,,,,give thr guy credit for trying
I dread to think how much money Toyota wasted developing the side posts for the hardtop. Clearly their R&D dept dont have a clue - you dont need to attach the hardtop at all - it will stay there under it's own weight - you don't need to worry about dynamic forces acting on it whilst driving.
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Quote from: "SteveJ"Quote from: "Ilogik"someone could actually make a killing selling the kit
Couldnt agree more - killing the poor b'stard driving behind the person who bought them s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Not that sort of bracket but if i made my own cast ones,
Quote from: "Ilogik"Quote from: "SteveJ"Quote from: "Ilogik"someone could actually make a killing selling the kit
Couldnt agree more - killing the poor b'stard driving behind the person who bought them s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Not that sort of bracket but if i made my own cast ones,
The originals aren't cast - they are
forged steel. Casting a piece the required shape will be too brittle.
Quote from: "SteveJ"I dread to think how much money Toyota wasted developing the side posts for the hardtop. Clearly their R&D dept dont have a clue - you dont need to attach the hardtop at all - it will stay there under it's own weight - you don't need to worry about dynamic forces acting on it whilst driving.
s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
At no point did i say Toyota's ones were no good,just overpriced also never said that these alone would hold the hardtop but in conjunction with the other clips it is solid but like i said earlier i will look into strengthening as i see no harm making them better.
Quote from: "alancdavis"Sorry to say this but the comment you make discribed as"Blunt" could be considered darn right rude,,,,,,,,give thr guy credit for trying
Quote from: "On an earlier post, Dan M"10/10 for effort and invention though.
OH SNAP
Quote from: "life of bryan"I noticed you edited the bit that said i would look into strengthening from my quote so if that isnt taking on board constructive criticism what is?I do see many of the points of view but i believe that it wouldnt be too difficult to make something strong and functional instead of giving in to Toyota's blackmail.Also the metal i have used is far from flimsy in fact it took quite a bit of beating with a 2lb lump hammer to get it into shape.
I was going to leave it in, but then that wouldn't have given my post quite the impact it had s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
Your pieces of metal are to Toyota's brackets what a plastic bendy straw is to a length of scaffold pole, or what my willy looks like after a picture of Susan Boyle is thrust in my face compared to a picture of Nadine Coyle.
The problem is that you are one of three people on this post who's opinion i value the least.
Ooo this is getting bitchy.
Life of Bryan: Im sure that nobody criticised your strikers just for a laugh or to make you feel bad, but purely because nobody wants you to go through the nightmare of your hardtop coming loose, especially if it causes an accident/injury to yourself or any other motorists.
Granted this message could have been put across in a different way! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Mohammed s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "life of bryan"The problem is that you are one of three people on this post who's opinion i value the least.
dont like him as a person or a post'r if you like - slag him off for being a plonker (which I and many other have) if you like.
But your stupid not to value his opinion on the ways of the roadster and in this respect even more so.
Here is a couple of questions for you before we go any further.
1) Have you declared to your insurance that you now have a hardtop fitted?
2) Have you told them that you havent use the factory approved strikers to hold it in place but rather you used something similar that you made yourself?
3) Do you think that in the event of an accident and somebody gets hurt from the hardtop not staying in place then the insurance company would pay out ? or invalidate?
PS - notice I didnt have a go at you or your handywork in question 2
Quote from: "life of bryan"The problem is that you are one of three people on this post who's opinion i value the least.
Yes, I too find it's always a good to idea to ignore people who know what they're talking about and actually try and help you. Makes life far more...
edgy.
Look, we all commend you for your effort and trying new ideas is always fun and good, but you've made a catastrophic balls-up on this one that is potentially dangerous to other road users. Would you put 4 different tyres on the '2? No, of course not, because it's daft and could cause injury to yourself and others. Do you see where I'm going with this?
Quote from: "DannyN"Here is a couple of questions for you before we go any further.
1) Have you declared to your insurance that you now have a hardtop fitted?
2) Have you told them that you havent use the factory approved strikers to hold it in place but rather you used something similar that you made yourself?
3) Do you think that in the event of an accident and somebody gets hurt from the hardtop not staying in place then the insurance company would pay out ? or invalidate?
Very,
very good points Danny, and that's an angle I hadn't even considered.
And I'm not a plonker s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "DannyN"PS - notice I didnt have a go at you or your handywork in question 2
Only because you didnt want to repeat yourself s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Earlier DannyN"they look dangerous and I wouldn't be driving with my hardtop using them.
Yes they are a bit of a botch and yes they might not be the best thing in the world but well done for trying to make something to save the pennies and don't be disheartened by any negative comments, sometimes a good idea can make a fortune s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Les
Quote from: "Dan M"And I'm not a plonker s:( :( s:(
I was amalgamating s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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can we have that with shades and a "thumbs up" please
or
Should we call you "Dave" ?
Quote from: "DannyN"Quote from: "life of bryan"The problem is that you are one of three people on this post who's opinion i value the least.
dont like him as a person or a post'r if you like - slag him off for being a plonker (which I and many other have) if you like.
But your stupid not to value his opinion on the ways of the roadster and in this respect even more so.
Why is that?For the large amount of usefull sarcasm brought to this forum?
[MOD=roger]OK guys, nuff said. Each side of the fence have had their say - lets leave it at that. I haven't locked the thread, but will (if I am around) delete any more what I consider to be provocative posts.
*Dan's edit*
Right, stealth editing is the lowest of the low, so I'll delete the entire (actually quite helpful) message. Toys, pram, gone. Sue me.
[MOD=roger] I thought the quite helpful bit of your post was, well quite helpful - but not the other comments. There was no stealth about my editing - I gave you fair warning - which you chose to ignore.
[POSTER=Dan]It was a stealth edit, as in there was no PM given about it. I really couldn't care less if there's no specific rule saying that Mods don't have to shoot a PM when an edit is done, however it's always polite to do so regardless of prior warning or not. Them's my rules, and like the Club ones they're not written down either. s:P :P s:P s;) ;) s;)
I'll take some pictures tomorrow to show how substantial the strikers are and then we can compare - Bent metal V's Forged metal.
But until it turns light tomorrow then is there any chance of an answer to my previous questions?
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The idea of creating your own strikers is a good one, its just that we dont believe this first version is strong enough.
The big question is whether or not it is possible to create your own version that is strong enough - and we dont know what the answer to that is just yet.
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Under what club rules was my post edited?
Cos you didnt listen to the Mod who stated..
but will (if I am around) delete any more what I consider to be provacative posts.
Provocative? I stated an opinion based on how i construe the safety of said mod being applied.
Seriously, if we are modding such posts, we have a problem.
Quote from: "DannyN"Cos you didnt listen to the Mod who stated..
but will (if I am around) delete any more what I consider to be provacative posts.
And again i ask, which club rule meant my post was modded?
Quote from: "DannyN"The idea of creating your own strikers is a good one, its just that we dont believe this first version is strong enough.
The big question is whether or not it is possible to create your own version that is strong enough - and we dont know what the answer to that is just yet.
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Your's is an opinion i respect and i agree that a MK11 set needs making that are stronger so will get on that.
Quote from: "life of bryan"Quote from: "DannyN"The idea of creating your own strikers is a good one, its just that we dont believe this first version is strong enough.
The big question is whether or not it is possible to create your own version that is strong enough - and we dont know what the answer to that is just yet.
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Your's is an opinion i respect and i agree that a MK11 set needs making that are stronger so will get on that.
Superb news s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Good luck with your next venture, I and I'm sure Dan & Nelix, all feel happier now
Quote from: "nelix"Quote from: "DannyN"Cos you didnt listen to the Mod who stated..
but will (if I am around) delete any more what I consider to be provacative posts.
And again i ask, which club rule meant my post was modded?
MOD: Craig, the committee are currently grappling with your view that anything goes unless there is a written rule to stop you. We consider the rule book will be quite large. s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes: Since we currently don't have a rule book (as such) it is normally sufficient for a Moderators opinion to be accepted, if not necessarily agreed with. You repeated things that were said prior to my post, and I considered them not adding or helping the thread along.
Roger, i have no intention of making the mods role difficult, my post contained nothing which needed modded.
Is the current commitees view that we should endorse home made side strikers?
Do you even remember what you wrote ?
Roger stated the following
but will (if I am around) delete any more what I consider to be provacative posts.[/quote]
You wrote along the lines of Bryan was wrong to try and make his own and he should just go out and buy the offical ones from Toyota
Therefore being provocative and not in the least helpful
It has nothing to do with what the commitee thinks about strikers at all - your just being provocative again s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Under normal circumstances, perhaps no. But the way this thread was going I felt that repeating views and opinions already stated (by either side of the fence) was not as I said...
Quoteadding or helping the thread along.
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The thread seems to have reached a good conclusion, maybe we can leave it there.
Just a couple of observations.
First of all, no one except the OP maybe, has any idea of the type of steel that's been used, so any assumption as to the strength of the brackets can only be an assumption. Although if the brackets have been formed using only a 2lb hammer, without the application of heat, then the structural strength of the steel at the bends will probably be reduced.
Secondly, I agree that £150 for side strikers from Mr.T does seem excessive, but what are you getting for your £150? Peace of mind - the original part has been designed and manufactured to perform a specific task. And in addition, they usually sell for a healthy price second hand - so you would probably recoup a significant part of the £150 when/if you decided to re-sell.
Quote from: "DannyN"Do you even remember what you wrote ?
Roger stated the following
but will (if I am around) delete any more what I consider to be provacative posts.
You wrote along the lines of Bryan was wrong to try and make his own and he should just go out and buy the offical ones from Toyota
Therefore being provocative and not in the least helpful
It has nothing to do with what the commitee thinks about strikers at all - your just being provocative again s:roll: :roll: s:roll: [/quote]
And my opinion is not valid?
Danny, you don't like me, fine, ignore my posts.
yawn
It has nothing to do with who I do or do not like, in this case its to do with who got modded ?
I only joined in this thread to advise Bryan that I didnt think his striker was substantial enough as I have a hardtop, he is now going to do another version so I'm happy.
night peeps
Quote from: "DannyN"yawn
It has nothing to do with who I do or do not like, in this case its to do with who got modded ?
I only joined in this thread to advise Bryan that I didnt think his striker was substantial enough as I have a hardtop, he is now going to do another version so I'm happy.
night peeps
No problem, some of us are sheep, some are not.
Quote from: "gavw71"Just a couple of observations.
First of all, no one except the OP maybe, has any idea of the type of steel that's been used, so any assumption as to the strength of the brackets can only be an assumption. Although if the brackets have been formed using only a 2lb hammer, without the application of heat, then the structural strength of the steel at the bends will probably be reduced.
Secondly, I agree that £150 for side strikers from Mr.T does seem excessive, but what are you getting for your £150? Peace of mind - the original part has been designed and manufactured to perform a specific task. And in addition, they usually sell for a healthy price second hand - so you would probably recoup a significant part of the £150 when/if you decided to re-sell.
All good points but with the VAT it comes to over £170,I stated in my original post that these will at least buy some time for me to source some reasonably priced used ones.
The trouble is they simply won't, as they not substantial enough to hold a hardtop on. You'd be better off leaving the top at home and saving for a pair of proper ones if you don't want to make BryanStrikers MkII.
having recently removed mine prior to sale, i can vouch for 2 things at the very least
1, these smallish pieces of metal which hold the top to the car are very heavy and substantial pieces of metal indeed. so much so that i was surprised at their (weight) mass when i removed them. i handed them over to the courier who collected them on friday, and again i was astonished at how heavy they are.
2, as has been stated, they have been designed and constructed like that for a reason. car manufacturers are not in the habit of using 'more than necessary' when it comes to making cars.
3 (for luck) the photos that you posted depict a flimsy piece of metal. i have not felt it, i have not seen how hard it was to fashion it, and i know not of which metal grade you have used. however, it does not look substantial enough.
as i said in my earlier post, good effort at designing and fashioning, but from what i have seen in the photo, that should not be on your car on a public road.
group hug anyone?
right hopefully a couple of non provocative points
1. Toyota didn't sell the hardtop in the USA
why? because it wouldn' pass their crash testing
In the EU test those posts are an essential part of passing the crash regs, crash the car and thats going to break loose and do you a lot of damaage
2. going around any form of bend at speed is going to have a huge amount of kinetic energy stored in that hardtop which need controlling with the proper brackets
it will bad enough if comes loose and hits a car in both damage to teh top and damage to the other car. Not to mention your head if it comes loose and hits you whilst leaving the car
If it hits a motorcyclist they will end up dead so it won't be you getting teh darwin award it will be you getting charged with manslaughter
I hope you don't intend to drive it with those in place
if you do well, I for one am certainly driving no-where near you.
Quote from: "markiii"right hopefully a couple of non provocative points
1. Toyota didn't sell the hardtop in the USA
why? because it wouldn' pass their crash testing
In the EU test those posts are an essential part of passing the crash regs, crash the car and thats going to break loose and do you a lot of damaage
2. going around any form of bend at speed is going to have a huge amount of kinetic energy stored in that hardtop which need controlling with the proper brackets
it will bad enough if comes loose and hits a car in both damage to the top and damage to the other car. Not to mention your head if it comes loose and hits you whilst leaving the car
If it hits a motorcyclist they will end up dead so it won't be you getting the darwin award it will be you getting charged with manslaughter
I hope you don't intend to drive it with those in place
if you do well, I for one am certainly driving no-where near you.
Essentially what i got modded for saying, with a few more salient points.
Well I think everyone's made their points and Bry has taken them on the chin and is going to look at a MKii, can we leave it now until he's had a chance to think about a new design? Or found some at a more reasonable price?
Thing about rules is someone will complain there're too many rules or they're too limiting when they don't suit their personal values.
nice idea but i do agree with the others and that they will not be strong enough so an idea to help you.
1. make sure your using at least 2mm thick metal
2. weld some sides to them. this should stop it from bending out of place.
hope this helps.
richard
Quote from: "rbuckingham"nice idea but i do agree with the others and that they will not be strong enough so an idea to help you.
1. make sure your using at least 2mm thick metal
Having seen them - they are over 2mm thick s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "rbuckingham"2. weld some sides to them. this should stop it from bending out of place.
Actually that's a darned good idea, if they're triangulated and decent material bolted in the right places then they could actually be pretty good alternatives.
Quote from: "rbuckingham"hope this helps.
richard
I'm sure from your constructive opinion that it will s:D :D s:D
I don't know how you could triangulate them given how the catch encompasses the striker. It'll be interesting to see if that's possible.
Quote from: "muffdan"I don't know how you could triangulate them given how the catch encompasses the striker. It'll be interesting to see if that's possible.
I tend to agree, the catch actuall surrounds it on 3 sides, I would have though if you triangulate then the catch won't close
good point but if it can be done it should hold.
Quote from: "rbuckingham"good point but if it can be done it should hold.
the latch might
Im equally concerned about teh length where it attaches to teh car which is going to be prone to sideways forces
I would expect there is a good reason why teh oem piece is nearly 10mm thick
True Mark, I'm probably thinking what you're thinking in that the amount of work required to produce an alternative to the Toyota items would likely cost as much as the Toyota items to produce. Saying that, there's very little harm in exploring the possibility.
After all the Toyota centre brace is patheting n comparison to the corky-esque items the majority of us have fitted.
What we need is a cheap supply of titanium s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I was musing to Nige yesterday that my best idea would be to mill it from a solid block of ali
even then I'm not sure its strong enough, trouble is, buy teh Ali, find a machine shop, pay for their time, and unless you happend to own a cnc machine your looking at a cost thats no cheaper or worse more expensive than teh Toyota part
this is one part I think we are going to struggle to DIY
I suppose it depends on the grade of Aluminium, aircraft grade might do it - but again pretty pricey stuff.
And a magnesium based alloy would be around the same price probably - but this is an interesting idea, it's got me thinking now.
look at mki version i think you can weld a side on to make the mkii and maybe another flat bit to make the part that bolts on thicker and run it up over to make a sealed sort of triangle. this by the pics should leave enough for the latch to hook on and should be small enough for it to go over. from the block and cnc it down would be more than its worth unless your doing it in bulk. so maybe someone could make a batch of cheap alternative fixing kits. should be a market for it.
Quote from: "muffdan"I don't know how you could triangulate them given how the catch encompasses the striker. It'll be interesting to see if that's possible.
I have taken a look and it is possible as the catch only grabs it after the hole at the very end,i have also got hold of the metal for my MK11 version.
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my concern is that it will bend at the thinnest point which is where the hole is widest, I can't see how this part can be reinforced.
Quote from: "muffdan"my concern is that it will bend at the thinnest point which is where the hole is widest, I can't see how this part can be reinforced.
The first set were not the full width of the latch so with a thicker wider metal this isnt an issue.
A better design would be to redesign the strikers and the catch. Ok, so it's not going to be as pretty or perhaps functional but the HT goes on once once a year right s;) ;) s;) . Simplest approach (and the stongest/safest) is to create a bracket that mounts to the car where the striker does on one end, then bolts to the HT where the present catch does. That should be strong enough. Ok, so it'll look a bit off with the hard top off (if you don't remove the new bracket) but I bet the next step would be something that allows the top and bottom halves of the bracket to be split, say with couple of strong bolts. The weakness in the current design is that the metal merely needs to bend to be detached. Using a custom catch and striker can avoid this flaw, but admittedly at the cost of fitting convenience.
For a thing as important as this Im sure you should be calculating by maths rather than trial and error. I know that is easier said than done. But at high speeds and hard cornering forces will be multiplying the practical weight
of the hardtop and therefore the stresses on the clips/mount points.
Also what happens if you roll the car and these strikers fail sheering the roof sideways etc.
On that note will you tell the insurance company you homemade a bracket for the roof in case it falls off on someone or disconnects in a crash?
Phil
Can someone post a pic of the original strikers in side on profile and from the top?
Just a suggestion but why don't you get two windscreen strikers from a scrap yard and attach them to a suitable substantial bracket? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Les
Quote from: "Les"Just a suggestion but why don't you get two windscreen strikers from a scrap yard and attach them to a suitable substantial bracket? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Les
I did already think of that but they have a funny angle with them that i would have to overcome and i wanted it to be one piece really.
I've taken some and they are uploading to photobucket as I type but I need to go to football so I'll link them in about an hour
I once made a bracket for a rear "Crud" guard on my sons mountain bike using a piece of stainless steel. Altough it was only about 3mm thick, I found it was very hard to drill (using normal HSS bits and an electric drill) and also very hard to bend with no heat applied.
So if a decent grade stainless steel could be sourced in the correct size, then it may be suitable to make a pair of strikers. Not sure of the cost, but without the correct equipment, it would be hard to work with.
Not easy taking pictures in the dark but here we go
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Thanks for that Danny,is it me or do they look fatter on backend side than the front?Has anyone not put there hard top on yet and can take a pic of the top of the striker?
Ok, still strongly disagree with this, but best pics i could get in the dark with the roof up.
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/nelix1/Strikers/02100004.jpg)
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/nelix1/Strikers/02100003.jpg)
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/nelix1/Strikers/02100002.jpg)
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/nelix1/Strikers/02100001.jpg)
Thanks for the unexpected nice gesture Craig,I know your stance on this but I intend to make these as close as possible to the originals.
Better pictures than mine
Quote from: "DannyN"Better pictures than mine
Picasa Danny. s:lol: :lol: s:lol: