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The Workshop => Performance Related => Topic started by: Jap GT300 on June 25, 2003, 22:21

Title: Short Shifters
Post by: Jap GT300 on June 25, 2003, 22:21
Many people opt for the B&M as it is well known and easy to get hold of but I have found the TRD version for 18,000 Yen That is £90!

(http://www.poweraxel.com/trd/news/news2000/trd171.jpg)

Visit:
http://www.poweraxel.com/trd/news/news2000/trd171.html

Adam
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Post by: Slacey on June 25, 2003, 22:27
That's a good price, I paid £120 for my B&M, but reckon it was worth every penny!
Good find though Adam!   s:D :D s:D
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Post by: Tem on June 26, 2003, 07:32
I don't have either...but according to ppl on SC, the B&M is a lot better than the TRD.

But then again, the ones who have TRD, like it as well. But seems that everyone who's tried both, says they like B&M more.
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Post by: Anonymous on June 26, 2003, 09:14
My only concern over the B&M has been the "lean to the left" - fine if you're sat on the wrong side   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: , but I'm unsure how much it affects those of us who sit on the right side.

I know markiii has a B&M, so I'll be taking a good look at that when I get the chance...
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Post by: markiii on June 26, 2003, 09:36
you see it, but in action you won't notice it. (the lean that is) as a short shifter it's the dogs danglies
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Post by: Slacey on June 26, 2003, 10:04
Quote from: "markiii"you see it, but in action you won't notice it. (the lean that is) as a short shifter it's the dogs danglies
I'll second that   s:D :D s:D
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Post by: SimonC_Here on June 26, 2003, 10:24
OK, I have to ask,
Other than something to do with the gearbox, what is a short shifter actually for?


Simon
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Post by: markiii on June 26, 2003, 10:33
gives you a shorter stick, with a shorter throw with a more direct feel when changing gear. The standard shifter is good compared to a lot of cars I've driven. The B&M is an order of magnitude better again.

It does all this by changing the pivot poit shortening the lever, and fitting metal bushing rather than the stock rubber ones.

Mark.
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Post by: SimonC_Here on June 26, 2003, 10:37
Excellent, thanks Mark.
I always though the standard one was pretty darn good, but "order of magnitude better"? I have to see one of these.   s:) :) s:)  

Simon
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Post by: dancarbon on June 26, 2003, 13:06
How hard are they to install and would it kill your warranty?
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Post by: markiii on June 26, 2003, 13:33
See;  m http://www.spydermagazine.com/2001/May/ ... ifter2.htm (http://www.spydermagazine.com/2001/May/shifter2/shifter2.htm) m

Its a piece of cake.

As for warranty is debateable that if you killed the gearbox or clutch they could claim undue stress, but I'd seriously doubt it, and it's not in your dealers intereest anyway as they get paid for warranty work just as much.
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Post by: Slacey on June 26, 2003, 22:15
Yep, real easy - even I did it in just over half an hour, the hardest part is removing the two centre console screws that are tucked in at the side of the seats!
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Post by: markiii on June 27, 2003, 00:37
take the seats out. It's only a 5 min job and you get far better access
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Post by: Tem on June 27, 2003, 07:02
Quote from: "markiii"take the seats out. It's only a 5 min job and you get far better access

Just be careful to not scrape the door handle with the seat bracket  s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
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Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2004, 11:20
followed Busters lead on this and wopped 2.5" off the stock gear stem with the trusty dremmel and job done!  Had the TRD quick shift in the celi but on the 'two' the cut method has given me a gear change much shorter than the TRD and cost...........zilch  :-) :-) :-)

Cheers Buster! your a star..again  s;-) ;-) s;-)
Title: Re: Short Shifters
Post by: Tem on January 18, 2004, 20:11
Quote from: "Jap GT300"Many people opt for the B&M as it is well known and easy to get hold of but I have found the TRD version for 18,000 Yen That is £90!

About the price in the first post...18,000 Yen is the list price. I'm sure you can get it for that from any place in Japan. (don't forget to add shipping + possible taxes)

Paid 14,400 Yen for mine  s8) 8) s8)
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Post by: Jap GT300 on February 3, 2004, 15:17
Where did you buy yours Tem as I need one for the 2ZZ.

Thanks Adam
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Post by: Tem on February 3, 2004, 15:23
Quote from: "Jap GT300"Where did you buy yours Tem as I need one for the 2ZZ.

From Teiwa:
 m http://www.teiwa.co.jp/ (http://www.teiwa.co.jp/) m


...recently ordered a TWM though after reading a zillion post about how much better that is. TWM is practically the same as B&M and can be bought here:
 m http://www.twmperformance.com/shortshif ... ifters.htm (http://www.twmperformance.com/shortshifters/toyotashifters.htm) m

Edit: TWM never bothered to send me anything though!  s:x :x s:x
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Post by: Jap GT300 on February 3, 2004, 16:02
Unfortunately with the TWM I will also have to purchase the shifter cage as I have the SMT.

It will be easier to go with the TRD or B&M
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Post by: Slacey on February 3, 2004, 16:10
Quote from: "Jap GT300"Unfortunately with the TWM I will also have to purchase the shifter cage as I have the SMT.

It will be easier to go with the TRD or B&M
The B&M doesn't come with a cage either Adam, only the TRD does.
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Post by: Jap GT300 on February 3, 2004, 16:26
Sorry, I had meant just TRD, which is what I have been looking at.

MTTE have them in stock for £110

Thanks Adam
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Post by: Anonymous on February 4, 2004, 21:04
For all you guys who own shortshifters,
Where did you get them from?

Do they sell the b&m shortshifter anywhere in europe (uk), or is Japan and the US the only options   s:?: :?: s:?:  

thanks in advance,
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Post by: markiii on February 4, 2004, 21:11
I bought my B&M from no limit in New York.

In the UK you can get them from Demon Tweeks.

Quite a view Max Muppet establishments sell B&M but would probably have to order the roadster/celica one in.

Unless you can get a much cheaper deal, I'd deal with Demon Tweeks,

 w www.demontweeks.co.uk (http://www.demontweeks.co.uk) w

because the price isn't bad and their customer service is A1

you'll need to ring them because it's not listed on the website, but if you ask for a B&M for a 2001 and up celica it will be the right item.
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Post by: Slacey on February 5, 2004, 11:48
Same here, No Limit in the US, but as Mark has said Demon Tweeks stock them and are very good.
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Post by: Anonymous on February 5, 2004, 14:58
thank you for your help!
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Post by: GSB on April 5, 2004, 09:12
Just thought I'd pitch in here...

I installed the TRD quickshift last week, and I have to say I quite like it!

The fore/aft throws are greatly reduced, whilst the left/right movement appears to have remained the same. Also it feels far more direct. It was pretty good to start with, but this just makes it that much better  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

A recommended "subtle" modification, especially if you use the standard gearknob as I have, rather than the TRD one that comes supplied with the kit.
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Post by: Tem on April 5, 2004, 09:30
Quote from: "GSB"I installed the TRD quickshift last week, and I have to say I quite like it!

Just curious, have you had a chance to try other short shifters...?
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Post by: GSB on April 5, 2004, 09:50
Not yet...  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on July 5, 2004, 23:40
I bought mine from Rob in NY, No Limit motorsport. And i am 100% happy  s:D :D s:D  
I cant believe the difference, i thought it would be only better in the feel of the change but it really is faster, instead of CLUNK...CLUNK you get a clickclick  s:D :D s:D   Im sure those with the B&M installed will know what i mean.

Buy one, coast £105 shipped, fitting takes about 1hr 30min  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  Even for a novice like me  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: GSB on July 6, 2004, 06:53
Just to add to my input. I've since driven my TRD, a B&M and the stock items back to back...

My vote goes with the TRD. The B&M is good, and even shorter than the TRD, but it was difficult to use until you'd done a few changes, you get used to it, but you couldnt get the best out of it straight out of the box. I like my mods to flatter my piss poor driving skills, the B&M needs a little effort, practise, and thought to be put into your changes, which for me at least, makes it not as good as the TRD, which feels immediately at home.
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Post by: MRMike on August 11, 2004, 23:26
Had a quick look, couldn't find anyone that had one of these, but these look a bit of a bargain. (Look identical to the B&M to me) Some users on spyderchat have them and say they are great..quality looks pretty good as well.  

 m http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... gory=33736 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7914575710&category=33736) m

EDIT: Sorry i'm a complete and utter tool (Even posted in that thread)   s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  

 m http://www.mr2roc.org/forum/viewtopic.p ... rt+shifter (http://www.mr2roc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4611&highlight=short+shifter) m
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Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2004, 21:39
Guys, does the TRD version have any 'lean' like the B&M does???
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Post by: Bongo on August 15, 2004, 22:30
Nope.
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Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2004, 20:43
Cheers Bongo!   s:D :D s:D
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Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2004, 22:00
Quote from: "perry190"followed Busters lead on this and wopped 2.5" off the stock gear stem with the trusty dremmel and job done!  Had the TRD quick shift in the celi but on the 'two' the cut method has given me a gear change much shorter than the TRD and cost...........zilch  :-) :-) :-)

Cheers Buster! your a star..again  s;-) ;-) s;-)

The TRD QuickShift hasn't just got a shorter shaft, the whole frame sits higher (on top of the metal spacers) to accomodate a longer shaft underneath. The results are a 20% shorter (and less rubbery) gear action/throw and a gear lever that doesn't stand miles away from the steering wheel (Taking 2.5" off the shaft is probably not much better than stock from a "performance" viewpoint.)

I've actually fitted the TRD QS 6 sp. gear model (works fine for both 5 sp. and 6 sp. gear boxes). It works great on my C56 close ratios gear box.   s:P :P s:P