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The Workshop => Performance Related => Topic started by: Acehole on May 7, 2010, 07:40

Title: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 7, 2010, 07:40
Is this the best for the roadster? or is there better?.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: nathanMR2 on May 7, 2010, 07:58
I have the PPE Cold Air Induction which im told is better. My dyno results suggest it anyway
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: JiMR2 on May 7, 2010, 12:28
Can both the K&N and the PPE be run in '2s with AC???
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: uktotty on May 7, 2010, 12:34
AEM is also good !
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: nathanMR2 on May 7, 2010, 13:58
Im sure AC doesnt make any difference at all. Mines on and i have AC.

AEM are good also but you have to remove the rear bumper to get to it for fitting, removel and cleaning
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Mad Matt on May 7, 2010, 15:09
One of the guys on here told me the K&N still pulls in hotter air than it would with the standard intake. I think the ones which position behind the battery are good.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: brad82 on May 7, 2010, 18:23
I have an apexi power intake, it doesn't seem to give any gains (not had it on dyno) because it pulls in hot air but it does sound awesome, I would asume the K&N would be simular, but depends on what your after sound or a little more power. For power seem like markiii pipe and new panel filter is the way to go.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: ChrisHumes on May 7, 2010, 18:50
brad - not sure if it made much difference, but with the apexi I cut the plastic intake pipe in half so that it went right up to the apexi intake thus giving it some of the cold air from the side vent.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: philster_d on May 7, 2010, 20:12
Quote from: "brad82"I have an apexi power intake, it doesn't seem to give any gains (not had it on dyno) because it pulls in hot air but it does sound awesome, I would asume the K&N would be simular, but depends on what your after sound or a little more power. For power seem like markiii pipe and new panel filter is the way to go.

the possibilities are endless. How much effort do you want to put in? my intake was behind the rear right wheel. But even then you could add some heat shields and maybe some ducting if you wanted to go to the max.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: nathanMR2 on May 7, 2010, 20:47
Quote from: "brad82"I have an apexi power intake, it doesn't seem to give any gains (not had it on dyno) because it pulls in hot air but it does sound awesome, I would asume the K&N would be simular, but depends on what your after sound or a little more power. For power seem like markiii pipe and new panel filter is the way to go.


Do you have the Apexi with the PPE as i def found gains when replacing my Markiii pipe and K&N panel filter?
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: brad82 on May 7, 2010, 21:01
Quote from: "nathanMR2"Do you have the Apexi with the PPE as i def found gains when replacing my Markiii pipe and K&N panel filter?

na just the standard kit that takes it just behind the rear light. goin to look at moving it to behind the battery toward the side vent in the morning. I dont really fancy cutting the intake pipe at the mo so will try and get some hose and give it a try   s:D :D s:D
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: nathanMR2 on May 7, 2010, 21:51
The PPE sits behind the battery and blocks off most of the heat
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 8, 2010, 08:22
Well there is alot of mixed reviews here lol. To be honest i was thinking of spending up to £300 tops of the kit then another bit on getting it fitted, if i get someone i know to fit they wont be taking the bumper off put it that way. But if any1 on here with experience on getting best results who would be willing to do that for the money and make it better for us that would be awesome. I could drive over to you on a weekend or something. Im based in essex and dont mind travling up to 60miles. Pm me if any1 wants the work, how much, and what intake i should get. I know its my own decision but i know you guys know alot more about this kinda stuff than me, so would just be buying on advice.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Anonymous on May 8, 2010, 08:44
If you want my advice, don't spend £300 on an intake that is just going to make your car sound better. For just the noise the A'Pexi is very hard to beat and is a quality piece of kit, or for power (and staying with open filters) you need the PPE. Anything else really isn't worth considering unless you're going for looks IMVHO. Did you want power or noise?
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 8, 2010, 09:07
was looking for gain really i know im only gonna get like 5bhp or something, but i got the noise from exhaust already.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Anonymous on May 8, 2010, 09:10
Have you discounted the markiii pipe and K&N filter as I believe there is gains from this?
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: nathanMR2 on May 8, 2010, 09:26
If you get hold of a PPE or anything else you decide to use and you fancy a drive. Ill help you fit it for free
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Anonymous on May 8, 2010, 09:36
Quote from: "Acehole"was looking for gain really i know Im only gonna get like 5bhp or something, but i got the noise from exhaust already.
In that case either go PPE or Markiii pipe + TRD filter. Either way you'll be incredibly lucky to get 5bhp, I would reckon about 2-3bhp max.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 8, 2010, 11:34
Yeah i know dan. i meant to say 5bhp tops. On k&n offical it states that u should get 4bhp more. Thanks nathan  s:) :) s:) . So im ordering this stuff monday... what should i order for best results? like i said im not mechanically minded at all so what is PPE? i know the markiii pipe as ive seen many up for sale on here.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: nathanMR2 on May 8, 2010, 11:55
Take a look here at the PPE

 m http://www.ppeengineering-onlinestore.c ... tegoryId=4 (http://www.ppeengineering-onlinestore.com/category.sc?categoryId=4) m

They come up 2nd hand once in a blue moon but i def noticed the difference when i went from the Markiii to this. It wasnt a massive break neck difference but i was pleased with the result.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: mattbrown82 on May 8, 2010, 11:57
Have you considered and ECU upgrade? If you were to go for the Markiii pipe and K&N panel filter, you would have a decent amount of cash left over to put towards a E-Manage/Unichip piggyback ecu.

This would allow you to get the most from your Intake/Exhaust setup.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: nathanMR2 on May 8, 2010, 12:25
A new ECU will help but ul have to factor in the mapping cost on top of that.

If you want to see a power increase (without a turbo) you need to consider-

Exhaust (with or without a cat/sports cat)
Manifold
Air Intake
Cams

To begin with. Once your happy with what you have done and you still want more it would be time to get an ECU replacement and the mapping done. Remember each time you change something you will need to have the ECU remapped and at £250-£400 each time it can be an expensive business!!
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 8, 2010, 18:22
ok ive just sorted finances out and i now have £700 to spend. Whats best route? getting the cams changed really worth it?
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: brad82 on May 8, 2010, 19:18
the best mod i have done was the flywheel its gains no power but delivery is much better its great big   s:D :D s:D  factor.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: mattbrown82 on May 8, 2010, 20:50
Have a look at the gains people have made in the "Engine modifications and performance gains for N/A 1ZZ" sticky thread in the performance forum. Lots of good info in there.

You may want to consider some additional bracing as well.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 8, 2010, 21:50
lol matt dident even notice that thread, i feel like a little forum noob now haha. Really good the gains some of you are getting. Extra 20bhp would be awesome. Been online all night tonight thinking of what to buy. gotta order this monday you see, so will be here all day tomorrow also.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Anonymous on May 9, 2010, 12:56
Quote from: "brad82"the best mod i have done was the flywheel its gains no power but delivery is much better its great big   s:D :D s:D  factor.
+millionty

Best mod I ever did in my old car pre-turbo, and one of the best ones I've done so far in the Zed.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 9, 2010, 13:06
That would a nightmare to get some1 to fit that kinda thing though wouldent it?
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Anonymous on May 9, 2010, 13:17
Not at all. Pop gearbox off, change flywheel, put together again. Most do it with a clutch change as well to save on labour.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 9, 2010, 13:30
Had new clutch 1000miles  ago  s:( :( s:(  so cant do again lol, was looking at this....http://www.fensport.co.uk/Parts/Model_30/Category_3/759 but wondering how muhc it would be to install.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Anonymous on May 9, 2010, 13:44
Couple of hundred quid probably. I'm running a Fidanza in the Zed, had the RPS in the '2 and would recommend that one out of the two.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 9, 2010, 15:04
Well i have just brought something and ive gone with safe option and will arrive thursday/friday. K&N 57i Gen 2   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

Thats £150 gone, whats to buy next...

P.S, Any1 wanna fit this for me? been told there is a better way of fitting these things but might require rear bumper off, is that true or false?
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Anonymous on May 9, 2010, 15:12
If you own a couple of screwdrivers then you can easily fit it yourself, there's really naff all to go wrong unless you're completely ham fisted. Go on, give it a go yourself, you'll probably have more fun than you think  s:) :) s:)
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 9, 2010, 15:18
OMG the pressure of it :O
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: nathanMR2 on May 9, 2010, 15:32
That kind of stuff is very easy mate. If i could fit mine anyone can!!
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 9, 2010, 16:35
Looking at the picture of it and there is nuts and bolts and bits and bobs everywhere lol, have to wait and see when it arrives thursday
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: brad82 on May 9, 2010, 16:53
If you want assistance I am probably going to be fitting a under body brace to mine next sunday in my workshop in burnham (I'm on call out but i'll take me chances) can give you a hand if you want it's a real simple job!
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 9, 2010, 17:33
Would be awesome brad im kinda on the way so would maybe team up with you along your way. What time u starting or leaving from home?
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: brad82 on May 9, 2010, 17:44
I will be there from bout 9.30 í'll be coming from southminster so prob be easier to meet there. I'll pm with address
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 9, 2010, 19:41
Ok mate, does me a favour as thats a bit early for me on a sunday hehe. like to take the mrs to work also at 9.45 so will make my way over straight from there. should arrive at 11.15
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: ChrisGB on May 9, 2010, 19:54
Quote from: "Acehole"ok ive just sorted finances out and i now have £700 to spend. Whats best route? getting the cams changed really worth it?

For that sort of money, I don't think you would enjoy the few BHP that would buy you as much as you would enjoy this:

http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=29066&start=0
 
I cannot believe no one has snapped it up yet!

Chris
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 11, 2010, 20:15
Ok its arrived, And 2 days early as well  s:) :) s:) . Now just gotta get it fitted

(http://www.avatarhosting.net/pics/36829/IMG00066201005111941.jpg)

And according to the box its the world's best air filter :O even carlsberg cant beat that.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 13, 2010, 18:32
Fitted it and first impressions at the moment is..... Disappointing. It has not yet made me feel like  it was good money invested, give us time though ive only drove it round the corner, But i thought it would be louder than it is.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2010, 18:38
What exhaust have you got? I have just gone TTE and from standard and the difference in noise is massive,I have a lovely burble from my back end now.  s:D :D s:D
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 13, 2010, 18:48
I have a custom made Exhaust and its awesome the sound from that is fantastic and everyone who has seen my car thinks its quality. Maybe its so good thats its draining the K&N out. I have never uploaded a video to youtube but i will try and upload one and let you know what it sounds like if the quality is good enough from recording.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on May 13, 2010, 21:51
I LIED, It is Sexy!!!! been out all night on a road to nowhere.
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: pazaz21 on June 18, 2010, 15:01
From what I remember when I had my K & N, the noise got better when the engine was warmer.  Not sure why though???
Title: Re: K&N 57i Gen2 for Roadster
Post by: Acehole on June 18, 2010, 16:06
Yeah same, seems once car is up to temp after about a mile it sounds alot better. but then the whole car does once its up to temp  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    . Still pleased with this purchase.