As it's my birthday today, thought I'd give myself a treat and had previously booked myself a test drive in the GT86. Weather dry and warm but not too much sun & I arrived at Listers Nuneaton in the MR2 with the roof down. There waiting was a gleaming black GT86.
Had a good look around & quite impressed with the shape, dimensions etc. Boot was OK but entrance hole a bit small, access to engine was great, front seats fantastic, but rear seats only good for headless, legless dwarfs if front seats set back in a normal position. Anyway took the car out on the test drive with a very young sales 'executive' who seemed quite happy to let me drive it as I wanted to. I actually went onto the road I normally commute to work on, so I know exactly what I can do in the MR2 - time to see if the GT86 is better.
To be perfectly honest, I don't think that there was too much difference. I would probably have to work a lot harder in the MR2, as I think the roadholding in the GT86 is better, but overall a close thing. On motorways and wide open 'A' roads then the GT86 would probably be better as it has a higher top speed and higher gearing in 6th.
GT86 Likes: s:D :D s:D
Looks - I do like the look of the car though some might not.
Interior - seats and dashboard are great.
Speedo - digital speedo in the rev counter is very easy to read.
Roadholding - sticks to the road like the preverbial s to a blanket.
Noise - induction noise directed into the drivers footwell sounded great. Could make it tempting to always put your foot down.
Dislikes: s:( :( s:(
Suspension - really hard and you feel every bump in town when crawling at 30MPH (payback when giving it some thorugh the bends!)
Gearing - too big a ratio between 5th and 6th. 6th is more like an overdrive
Back seats - a bit of a waste of time
CO2 emissions - a road tax cost of £333 per annum is too much.
Exhaust noise - sounds like a wet f*** from outside. It needs a decent exhaust sound.
Will I buy one - No not at £26,000. Apparantly, the dealer is not aware of if and when a roadster version will be introduced so I'm happy to stay with my MR2. The GT86 is good, but not that good. Maybe a roadster version will make me change my mind. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
MarkK
Happy Birthday s:) :) s:)
Happy Birthday!
Personally I could never bring myself to buy a new car of anything when you consider how much you lose (very quickly!) Glad you enjoyed the trip out, we will probably start seeing quite a few GT68's and BRZ's around in the next year or so
Stolen from a now very long thread on PH
Quote from: "rajkohli81"So the M135i appears to be receiving rave reviews. The figures certainly all add up and journos are suggesting that BMW are back on form for driver appeal and getting all the essentials bang on.
I can't help but draw comparison to the GT86, which for me, seems dreadfully outdated even at launch.
Top Trumps to start:
GT86 £24,995
197 bhp, 151 lb ft, 62 in 7.7, 137 mph, 1239kg, 160 CO2s and 40.9 mpg
M135i £29,995
316 bhp, 332 lb ft, 62 in 4.9, 155 mph (limited), 1425kg, 175 CO2s and 37.7 mpg
Looks - Well neither is pretty, lets be honest. The 1 front end is particularly hard to love inspite of the M Bodykit, but then the GT86 looks like a late-nineties Hyundai Coupe.
Practicality - Beemer seats 4 adults, has a 5 door option and will shortly be available as a spacier 4 seat coupe...the GT86 doesn't.
Ownership - Toyota has a longer warranty, uncharted residual territory though. I'll bet the BM offers a better overall comfort and versatility proposition.
The 1 seems to be making an argument that even the most diehard 86 must find hard to ignore. I mean, come on, 4.9 seconds!!
And now I sit back and wait for the 'but its not a proper coupe' (1 coupe due 2013)'..'but it lacks a slippy diff (I think the 316 horses at your rear wheels will see you have more sideways fun)'... 'but its a fat, overweight, rep car for ppl who don't know any better (drive a 1M and tell me they don't know how to make proper driver's cars)'.. 'but it'll have massive turbo lag (none reported thus far and wall of torque from 1300-4500rpm)'
I read the PH thread but it was a bit dumbass comparing a heavier high torque BMW to a the GT86. The GT86 is pitched more like the MR2. Fun at sensible speeds, not a torque monster which requires license loosing speeds to be fun.
i drove the GT86... weren't that impressed. bit of a dog... think the MR2 is just as quick... however the looks were immense! absolutely stunning in black :O
The more I see of the 86, the more familiar it looks. I tend to agree with that PH post , that it does look like an older Hyundai coupe. It really does look out of date on release to me.
There are much better looking cars out there. I wouldn't buy one, even if I had the wealth required!
Different cars to a point yes, but I have to agree that on comparison with an M135i the BMW looks far better value for money, particularly regarding performance!
Yep, the BMW looks far better value, quite like those.
Quote from: "stargazer30"I read the PH thread but it was a bit dumbass comparing a heavier high torque BMW to a the GT86. The GT86 is pitched more like the MR2. Fun at sensible speeds, not a torque monster which requires license loosing speeds to be fun.
^^I agree^^
Beemer service costs and that additional 5K (which is quite a chunk of cash... and i suspect the BMW will be more likely to hold its value a year or 2 down the line!! s:? :? s:? ) to purchase the BMW would be enough to put me off... if i was able to even consider either car?!! s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:P :P s:P Also, the fact that i know 3 friends who have had their BMWs (a new shape Z4, new shape M3 and new shape 3 series) in and out of the garage with unresolved issues (one, being the weak alloys which crack really easily...?!! s:scared: :scared: s:scared: ) ...and all have suffered poor BMW customer service, in addition s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Plus... the GT86 is the better looking car s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D
The GT86 looks a lot like a Beemer from the back... when Paul sent a pic of one he'd seen up close, i thought he was losing the plot... then i saw the front view and realised it was the Toyota s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I'd have a used M3 over a GT86. Saloon ones in particular are good value at the moment.
Hoping that at some point a manufacturer will bring something out with the ethos of the MR2 that doesn't look like it was designed in 1997 and overpriced for the bhp per £.
GT86 = a huge waste of time and money...! s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Anyone can see that...?
Wait till Subaru start bringing out "hot " versions of their car: it'll make the '86 seem pointless...
...and If (when?) Toyota start souping the '86 up, it'll beg the question "why didn't they just do it from day one!?"
To be relevant, the 86 should have at least 280hp out of the box AND be £25-28k.
OR be as it is, but £18k..?
Too much dosh for not enough, imho...... s:? :? s:?
Oh well, its not my millions of investment, is it.....? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I'm struggling to understand what the excitement is all about with this car especially on an mr2 roadster forum? The car is a front engined 2+2 with a boot (which could easily have been a hatchback)
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's nothing like a mid engined 2 seater convertible with a cubby hole behind the seat? Hardly an mr2 replacement, more likely something a celica owners club will get excited about?
Quote from: "AckersMR2"I'm struggling to understand what the excitement is all about with this car especially on an mr2 roadster forum? The car is a front engined 2+2 with a boot (which could easily have been a hatchback)
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's nothing like a mid engined 2 seater convertible with a cubby hole behind the seat? Hardly an mr2 replacement, more likely something a celica owners club will get excited about?
We are excited as its the first of its kind in a while and its a breath of fresh air when all the main manufacturers follow the pub figures brigade and keep making FWD hot hatches with more and more power that just keep getting heavier and heavier. With the exception of the MX5 which too has become more watered down as time has gone on, the GT86 is the first of its kind in a long time. Light, fun at every day speeds, cheap to run (okay the retail cost is a tad steep).
Didn't do much for me either, agree about the ride, I don't mind hard suspension but it's jarring at times and basically just hasn't got enough power under the bonnet, fully loaded car is 27k+ which would get something far more entertaining.
I really like the exterior but think the dash is a mess of different sytles, esp from the climate controls up which is just hideous.
Anything with a useless sofa in the back and I switch off!! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "AckersMR2"I'm struggling to understand what the excitement is all about with this car especially on an mr2 roadster forum? The car is a front engined 2+2 with a boot (which could easily have been a hatchback)
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's nothing like a mid engined 2 seater convertible with a cubby hole behind the seat? Hardly an mr2 replacement, more likely something a celica owners club will get excited about?
I was interested because mainstream car manufacturers have stopped making light cars that are good to drive. Most "sports" cars are now made by premium manufacturers such as boxster, z4, elise are mostly 40k+ now new. As a new car I can only think of the mx5 which is similar to the 2 out at the moment. And that looks like a boat with the engine in the wrong place.
Quote from: "AckersMR2"I'm struggling to understand what the excitement is all about with this car especially on an mr2 roadster forum? The car is a front engined 2+2 with a boot (which could easily have been a hatchback)
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's nothing like a mid engined 2 seater convertible with a cubby hole behind the seat? Hardly an mr2 replacement, more likely something a celica owners club will get excited about?
Its history based it on the Celica and the Corolla apparently.
Oh and a bit of news for everyone - Toyota have 17 cars to be released over the next 2 years so watch this space!
bet you enjoyed that Mark for a birthday trip. s:D :D s:D
you said some far points about the car.
do not think any body here be happy till they bring a direct replacement for the 2 out, then it will be its to expensive,not quite what we wanted from Toyota.
so we will stick to our roadster 2s s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "puma2"do not think any body here be happy till they bring a direct replacement for the 2 out, then it will be its to expensive,not quite what we wanted from Toyota.
so we will stick to our roadster 2s s:D :D s:D
Spot on there Paul. I'm happy to stick with the MR2 for as long as it takes for someone (not necessarily Toyota!!) to come out with a Roadster that's affordable - though it might never happen! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Hadn't seen another GT86 on the road, blue car parked opposite my house today, colour didn't suit it at all but it was filthy so guess the owner had been enjoying it.
On the test drive I said I would sell for a few organs for a "new" MR2 then he mentioned something about a hybrid s:shock: :shock: s:shock: not really what i had in mind, 17 cars sounds promising if the person responsible for the GT86 interior has been reassigned.
Dont get TOO excited about "17 new cars " from Toyota! s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Most of these will be Corolla / Yaris / Avensis upgrades, a few of them will be Hybrid's and the rest will be variants on these themes..!
...oh, if we're lucky and Toyota are on the ball, we MAY just get a couple of overpriced, overweight, underpowered MR2 Mk4's....!? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
(oh..I forgot [silly me!]...there's bound to be something 4x4-related, as well, isn't there.....) s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I thought the iQ was overpriced, but the new Yaris Hybrid is about £16k! Nuts.
Quote from: "AckersMR2"I'm struggling to understand what the excitement is all about with this car especially on an mr2 roadster forum? The car is a front engined 2+2 with a boot (which could easily have been a hatchback)
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's nothing like a mid engined 2 seater convertible with a cubby hole behind the seat? Hardly an mr2 replacement, more likely something a celica owners club will get excited about?
Bit surprised by that comment, as someone whose 'other car is a kawasaki' I thought you would realise more than most that rear drive + an attempt at weight saving, is a good recipe for fun ?
If the new car market was flooded with affordable lightweight mid engined roadsters I would agree with you, but given Toyota's range of recent years, even a diesel estate would look quite interesting if it was circa 1200Kg and RWD s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "MisterK"took the car out on the test drive with a very young sales 'executive' who seemed quite happy to let me drive it as I wanted to. I actually went onto the road I normally commute to work on, so I know exactly what I can do in the MR2 - time to see if the GT86 is better.
To be perfectly honest, I don't think that there was too much difference. I would probably have to work a lot harder in the MR2, as I think the roadholding in the GT86 is better, but overall a close thing.
I know that if I take my (60Kg) wife out in the MR2, it noticeably dulls the performance, so IMO a much better test drive would be if you could ditch the 70 /80Kg+ of sales executive???
Has anyone on here driven one solo?
Of course we live in an era where 1500Kg diesels putting out well over 200lbft of torque are common place,but the GT86 isn't playing that game, it's TORQUE to weight ratio is very very similar to that of the 2 and as the two cars are also relatively close in overall weight I would expect its performance edge to be similarly dulled by having a passenger on board.
Not that surprising either that the two cars have similar 0 to 60 times - the power advantage not really coming into play until higher speeds where aerodynamic drag is the main factor.
As a skint Petrolhead I think the GT86 is one of the most interesting cars for a long time, especially as the uninspired Hyundai coupeish styling and forever image free Toyota badge should mean they'll have very bad long term residuals compared to anything Porsche, Lotus or BMW ever put out. I think I smell a future bargain s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "KTM_RIDER"given Toyota's range of recent years, even a diesel estate would look quite interesting if it was circa 1200Kg and RWD s:) :) s:)
No kidding, hugely depressing line up for years since axing the roadster!
Quote from: "KTM_RIDER"I know that if I take my (60Kg) wife out in the MR2, it noticeably dulls the performance, so IMO a much better test drive would be if you could ditch the 70 /80Kg+ of sales executive???
I wish the Toyata dealer had let me loose on my own, but the sales guy was only a youngster who was happy enough for me to give it the beens & it was up to the red line in each gear, so can't complain!!! You're probably right, there isn't too much in it on a like of like basis. I just can't get my head around the price though! You might be right about a future rarity - not many people will buy it at £26K+, though I might be proved wrong!
Will be very interesting to see how well it sells, but I do think that whether they become a fairly common sight or not I really can't see them holding their value too well long term.
Image, styling and BRAND appears to be ever more important to so many car buyers (Yawn !), never mind how good the car actually is s:roll: :roll: s:roll: - of course these would be reasons not to buy the car new as well, but the hype and novelty factor may see it sell ok at first - whereas a few years down the line it may be destined to be seen as just another forgettable looking jap coupe.
I would think that Subaru's strong performance image will give their version the edge there also !
Maths was never my strong subject but it will sell for around $21200 in the US which @ 1.5 is £16600 (I think s:lol: :lol: s:lol: ).
Obviously this is their target market.
If they were selling for that in rip off brit.. Sorry UK I would be tempted but fully loaded here is crazy money & Subaru's version is rumoured to be even more s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Will be interesting to see how the 2nd hand market is in a few years.
Quote from: "Richard41"If they were selling for that in rip off brit.. Sorry UK I would be tempted but fully loaded here is crazy money & Subaru's version is rumoured to be even more s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Will be interesting to see how the 2nd hand market is in a few years.
Celica should give a rough idea. They are doing their best to disconnect the two, but surely its the mk5.
Quote from: "KTM_RIDER"Bit surprised by that comment, as someone whose 'other car is a kawasaki' I thought you would realise more than most that rear drive + an attempt at weight saving, is a good recipe for fun ?
I just thought that apart from it being RWD it has more in common with a Celica than an MR2?
And as a major appealing factor of the 2 is that the roof folds down doesn't that alone discount the GT86 as a car we would chop our 2's in for? After all isn't that what attracted most of us to them in the first place, the fact that they are so great to drive is an added bonus we didn't know about until we got behind the wheel.
I'm not too sure how it will do in the uk, it is a brave move by Toyota, Hyundai didn't bother with their new coupe. I think the problem is the target market they are selling to worry about running costs but if you make a car that is clean, good on fuel and not an animal to insure then people start comparing performance figures and moan that it's a bit flat, exactly as said here and what the reviews will say.
Make it a 350bhp animal and the tax will be £600, the insurance will be £1000 and it'll do 18mpg and people will be put off by the high running costs!
Quote from: "dick2ski"surely its the mk5.
Mk8!
Quote from: "AckersMR2"as a major appealing factor of the 2 is that the roof folds down doesn't that alone discount the GT86 as a car we would chop our 2's in for? After all isn't that what attracted most of us to them in the first place, the fact that they are so great to drive is an added bonus we didn't know about until we got behind the wheel.
Well, there have been strong rumours about a convertible version, so for those with an open top preference the current GT86 ought to whet the appetite a bit.
Personally, I had wanted an MR2 ever since I read road tests on the Mk1 in the mid eighties, the fact that the Mk3 was a convertible was of little interest to me when I bought it and much though I like that feature now, it's the handling that makes me grin like an idiot s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "AckersMR2"Quote from: "dick2ski"surely its the mk5.
Mk8!
Oops! I had a mk2, have there been 6 body shapes since then?
Quote from: "KTM_RIDER"Quote from: "AckersMR2"as a major appealing factor of the 2 is that the roof folds down doesn't that alone discount the GT86 as a car we would chop our 2's in for?
I like the idea of the car being designed from the drawing board as an open top. Not a coupe with the top chopped off, then a load of steel welded on to try and stiffen it up.
Saw my first one on the motorway this morning. Tyres were way way too skinny, looked terrible from behind.
As it came up behind me I first thought it was a Hyudai Coupe but something didn't look right.
If I wanted a car like this, I think I'd prefer the 370Z ... far better looking and a nice lump of an engine.
Quote from: "dick2ski"Oops! I had a mk2, have there been 6 body shapes since then?
I like the idea of the car being designed from the drawing board as an open top. Not a coupe with the top chopped off, then a load of steel welded on to try and stiffen it up.
The Celica ran from 70-06, I read it on Wiki so it must be true s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I agree, a chopped up coupe usually means performance is hampered by the extra weight, either that or there's not enough bracing and the thing flexes like a flip-flop.
I also read the US car is to be produced with cheaper components to a lower spec to keep the price down?
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"If I wanted a car like this, I think I'd prefer the 370Z ... far better looking and a nice lump of an engine.
+1, my local Toyota dealer also owns a Nissan dealership next door, I don't envy the Toyota reps trying to sell the GT86 when potential buyers can look across the fore court and see a pre registered delivery miles top spec 370Z for the same money?
Quote from: "AckersMR2"Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"If I wanted a car like this, I think I'd prefer the 370Z ... far better looking and a nice lump of an engine.
+1, my local Toyota dealer also owns a Nissan dealership next door, I don't envy the Toyota reps trying to sell the GT86 when potential buyers can look across the fore court and see a pre registered delivery miles top spec 370Z for the same money?
Just booked a driving experience in a GTR! Now there is a car. Under £75? Bargain.
Didn't the 1ZZ start life as a cheap American built unit?
I like your thinking about chopped coupe -vs- roadster designed from the ground up ... it rings truer everytime I think of the concept.
It's a sign of the times that roadsters are now designed and built with greater safety margins, greater refinement, and therefore less involving and boring s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
By the way, while I was on holiday in Scotland I didn't see a single other MR2 of any flavour, I shared the hotel carpark for a day with a couple in and old 911 Carerra softop and they always had the roof down like me. Saw several MX5's of varying ages, all with their roofs up or hardtops on. A Ford KA softop with its roof up. Oh I forgot I saw an old MK1 MX5 in town parked up with roof down.
It was sunny nearly all thee time, it makes me wonder why people buy roadsters and don't let their hair down.
I did see one other roadster driving around with its roof down every time I saw it....
(http://www.321auto.com/Actu/Essais/Opel/GT/20_T/600/OpelGT.jpg) it actually looked ok in a GM sort of way
Quote from: "dick2ski"Just booked a driving experience in a GTR! Now there is a car. Under £75? Bargain.
+1
Awesome car. Lucky bugger. s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "dcod"Quote from: "dick2ski"Just booked a driving experience in a GTR! Now there is a car. Under £75? Bargain.
+1
Awesome car. Lucky bugger. s:D :D s:D
Its even cheaper about once an hour. I clicked the link to buyagift via fleabay, but noticed the price drops randomly. Dont forget the promo code on the left.
15Aug, Staffs for me. Cant wait. Ill try not to repeat that trackday mortality of last week! s:| :| s:|
I took one out on Tuesday (Mr T valeted my MR-2 while I did! s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen: )
I liked the drive. Not sure about the engine note in the car, but the boot was useful with the seats down (I have to buy keyboards that fit in the '2!)
Handling was superb and felt a bit more pokey than the '2 - but a sluggard compared to my ole BMW 328i (which was just as much fun to drive.)
Nice to see Toyota making a proper driver's car though. But at £25Kish - too expensive for what it is.
I just wish the styling inspiration had been from slightly older Toyotas - as it is, the Hyundi (and most of the competition) are nicer looking. Compared to the pretty, understated lines of the '2, it's a dog.
(http://www.jhwclassics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Toyota-S800.jpg)
PS I see Porsche are nicking even more styling flourishes from the '2.
(http://www.partsoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/New-Porsche-Boxster-2012-side.jpg)
Stephen
Quote from: "AckersMR2"Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"If I wanted a car like this, I think I'd prefer the 370Z ... far better looking and a nice lump of an engine.
+1, my local Toyota dealer also owns a Nissan dealership next door, I don't envy the Toyota reps trying to sell the GT86 when potential buyers can look across the fore court and see a pre registered delivery miles top spec 370Z for the same money?
You guys are comparing apples with pears again. The 370z has bloody big powerful engine and weighs a heck of a lot more. The driving experience will be totally different between the two. The 370z will be heavier on fuel, tax, maintenance costs etc...
Quote from: "stargazer30"The driving experience will be totally different between the two. The 370z will be heavier on fuel, tax, maintenance costs etc...
I think that's the point I was trying to make, kind of? Are the sorts of people who care about the environment, tax and running costs the same sorts of people looking to buy a new 2 seater sports coupe (let's face it the rears seats are only really for putting the shopping on?)
What they want is big noise, big wheels, big engine and a big p3nis s:lol: :lol: s:lol: and they'll have the money and pay the premium to get it?
(http://www.jhwclassics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Toyota-S800.jpg)
That looks good!
For me the Sirocco is a better car than the 86. I had one of the first in the country, wasnt impressed, but still better.
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"If I wanted a car like this, I think I'd prefer the 370Z ... far better looking and a nice lump of an engine.
suppose it depends how you define 'a car like this'.
To my mind, the GT86 follows the less is more philosophy of MR2s ( especially Mk1 & Mk3) whereas one and a half tonnes of 370Z definitely doesn't, so it isn't 'a car like this' in the first place.
Quote from: "AckersMR2"Quote from: "stargazer30"The driving experience will be totally different between the two. The 370z will be heavier on fuel, tax, maintenance costs etc...
I think that's the point I was trying to make, kind of? Are the sorts of people who care about the environment, tax and running costs the same sorts of people looking to buy a new 2 seater sports coupe (let's face it the rears seats are only really for putting the shopping on?)
What they want is big noise, big wheels, big engine and a big p3nis s:lol: :lol: s:lol: and they'll have the money and pay the premium to get it?
so presumably you think there would be next to no market for a modern take on the Mr2 Mk1?? s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "dick2ski"For me the Sirocco is a better car than the 86. I had one of the first in the country, wasnt impressed, but still better.
you prefer FWD then ? s:? :? s:?
I prefer 4WD, but stupid VeeDub only put it on the Golf R.
Quote from: "KTM_RIDER"presumably you think there would be next to no market for a modern take on the Mr2 Mk1?? s:( :( s:(
To be honest no I don't, and clearly nor do the manufacturers, otherwise they'd be making them?
Quote from: "AckersMR2"Quote from: "KTM_RIDER"presumably you think there would be next to no market for a modern take on the Mr2 Mk1?? s:( :( s:(
To be honest no I don't, and clearly nor do the manufacturers, otherwise they'd be making them?
Of course it depends again how you define it s:) :) s:) I did actually mean one made by Toyota, though arguably there is one out there - which happens to come with a Toyota engine, the Lotus Elise 1.6.
The Lotus is hardly a bargain at £28.5k, but surely lends weight to the argument that the 86 is overpriced
could get a good 2nd hand Exige for 27K, unlike the GT86 that would put a huge grin on my face s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
Of course, interesting though I think the GT86 is, it will probably always look pretty poor value compared to the three grand go -kart I've just been circulating some of my local roundabouts in.
£3k for something prettier than a Porsche that even gets mistaken for a Ferrari,
OR
9 times as much money for a Hyundai Coupe clone.
Hmmmm........... difficult s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "KTM_RIDER"Of course, interesting though I think the GT86 is, it will probably always look pretty poor value compared to the three grand go -kart I've just been circulating some of my local roundabouts in.
£3k for something prettier than a Porsche that even gets mistaken for a Ferrari,
OR
9 times as much money for a Hyundai Coupe clone.
Hmmmm........... difficult s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
The GT86 has a very nice keyring. I won one at the Bolton launch, got £29 for it on Fleabay! s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "dick2ski"The GT86 has a very nice keyring. I won one at the Bolton launch, got £29 for it on Fleabay! s:D :D s:D
goes well with the car then - overpriced s:wink: :wink: s:wink: (although maybe not
that overpriced, just discovered that an 2.0 MX5 lists at £23k s:o :o s:o )
You seem to have to pay best part of £20k for almost any half decent car new these days! Golfs/Focuses etc etc with the middle of the range engine etc, huge amount of money!
Quote from: "KTM_RIDER"Quote from: "dick2ski"The GT86 has a very nice keyring. I won one at the Bolton launch, got £29 for it on Fleabay! s:D :D s:D
goes well with the car then - overpriced s:wink: :wink: s:wink: (although maybe not that overpriced, just discovered that an 2.0 MX5 lists at £23k s:o :o s:o )
OT... someone near me has white MX5 sports black, never been a fan of the mazda but its a
really nice looking car, but like the GT86 I wouldn't pay that much for one of those either s:wink: :wink: s:wink: