Hi, A new member!!
Got my Roadster January this year (02 Ver) - love it dearly. Tyres are Vredstein Sportrac 2. I never seem to hear any comment from club members re these?, They do me fine, in the wet they step out a bit on sharp turns with power on but alway come back in line with a twitch of the wheel. Love to hear comments.
Thanks, David.
Quote from: "mattcambs"Now they're on the car they flex quite a bit compared to RE040s and I can see them needing to be run about 3psi higher than stock.
On the Fabia they were a lot stiffer than the Toyo T1R in the sidewall department.
Chris
That's interesting, Chris s:) :) s:)
Update:
Set pressures to 29 and 35psi for the 37 mile commute home. Obviously there's the wax coat to scrub off and they need to bed in, but until the tyres warmed up quick lane changes on the A14 felt a bit weird - like you could feel the springyness in the sidewall releasing stored energy when straightening the car up.
Once off the motorways, the tyres felt a bit better - springyness reduced and reasonable turn-in response.
I'll keep the pressures as they are for a few more hundred miles and then experiment.
for the application of daily driving and a more then occasional spirited drive the Toyo T1R is difficult to beat. I am going to be on my 4th season on my current set 23K and they still have another 6-7K in them based on tread depth.
I have 185/55/15 and 215/40/16 sizes. Softer then stone 040 they are better for daily driving. They feel less set then the 040s in the curves but I believe they grip better dry and certainly more so when wet. In expensive, durable and can handle the fun. Not a track tire but a great daily driver.
I note that below 50F they get a bit loose and I have never taken my car out in snow or even below freezing conditions.
I've been using Toyo T1-R's for the last 2.5 years and they have been excellent. They've not got particularly stiff sidewalls (relative so Bridgestone RE040's) but the wet weather grip makes up for that. I've always sworn by Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3's and whilst the Toyos aren't quite as good are as close as you can get without shelling out £100/corner.
I've been running 185/55/15 and 225/40/16 on my 2003 MR2 and the fronts have lasted about 30k whilst the rears about 15k.
I've only just changed my fronts and the Toyos seem to have gone up a fair bit since my last purchase (£67ea) so I've now gone for 190/50/15's, which make the fronts 1.6% faster but are only costing me £50 a corner from Black Circles.
Due to the change in profile the fronts are slightly wider. I started on 26psi and this seemed slightly too soft and the cornering suffered. I've now pumped them up to 28psi and they feel noticeably harder but handling has much improved. I'm going to give 27psi a go and am guessing that will give me a good compromise between handling and comfort.
Quote from: "Spudulike"Another set of Toyo's on mine. Utterly confidence inspiring in wet and dry, they're a soft tyre so they function well even on a frosty morning. 28psi front and 36psi rear seems perfect for me. They do squirm a bit due to the softer sidewalls but once you get used to the feeling of the car settling into a corner then you don't even notice it.
Way more performance than you ought to expect given the price and having read other's reviews they seem like a perfect match for the MR2.
Any reason for increasing the standard manufacturer pressures for a pre facelift model? Don't you find the car lacks grip round corners, especially with the rear pressure set this high?
I very recently got another pair of 205/50 x 15 T1-RS for the back recently purely because the fronts are much newer and I calculate the front and backs should all wear out at around the same time with this set (if I don't have any punctures etc which I have only had one of in 9 years on the Roadster compared to about three in four years on my MGF VVC with Toyo T1-S' tyres of the same sizes as the MR2).
Although the Toyos have been good up to now (they are miles better than the stock Yokohama A043 tyres that came with the car when new as I can only describe the Yokos as being completely lethal in snow and ice covered road driving conditions while the Toyos are pretty of if you take care on snowy or icy roads) I plan to switch to the new Hankook V12 Evos when I get my next full set of tyres.
Quote from: "Capvermell"Quote from: "Spudulike"Another set of Toyo's on mine. Utterly confidence inspiring in wet and dry, they're a soft tyre so they function well even on a frosty morning. 28psi front and 36psi rear seems perfect for me. They do squirm a bit due to the softer sidewalls but once you get used to the feeling of the car settling into a corner then you don't even notice it.
Way more performance than you ought to expect given the price and having read other's reviews they seem like a perfect match for the MR2.
Any reason for increasing the standard manufacturer pressures for a pre facelift model? Don't you find the car lacks grip round corners, especially with the rear pressure set this high?
I very recently got another pair of 205/50 x 15 T1-RS for the back recently purely because the fronts are much newer and I calculate the front and backs should all wear out at around the same time with this set (if I don't have any punctures etc which I have only had one of in 9 years on the Roadster compared to about three in four years on my MGF VVC with Toyo T1-S' tyres of the same sizes as the MR2).
Although the Toyos have been good up to now (they are miles better than the stock Yokohama A043 tyres that came with the car when new as I can only describe the Yokos as being completely lethal in snow and ice covered road driving conditions while the Toyos are pretty of if you take care on snowy or icy roads) I plan to switch to the new Hankook V12 Evos when I get my next full set of tyres.
Toyo tyres have been noted to have a softer sidewall so an increase in pressure is to help reduce tyre roll. put it in the search and you will find out more.
Quote from: "rbuckingham"Toyo tyres have been noted to have a softer sidewall so an increase in pressure is to help reduce tyre roll. put it in the search and you will find out more.
What if I already have the harder and shorter Toyota TTE suspension springs kit on the car? Perhaps making my tyres that hard won't then make as much sense?
I can give it a go for a while in my current quest for higher fuel consumption but I would expect a harder ride and less good grip in cornering.
Would be interested to know what sort of mileage you guys are getting
out of the various tyre's you all seem to be running, especially on the rears..... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Quote from: "Chris H"Would be interested to know what sort of mileage you guys are getting
out of the various tyre's you all seem to be running, especially on the rears..... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
To add this to the forum...
Smaller width of the wheels doesnt cut fuel economy. Even though you think it might lower cd. it wont lower rooling resistance.
The rooling resistance gain is more than that from wind resistance
Load capacity makes for "rounder tire" which then concludes into this
The patch, the area that is in touch with the ground should be as big as possible which equals to lesser pressure on each squere inch.
Lesser pressure means that the tire are more "round", in other words less rolling resistance.
Finally the importance of correct inflated tires. (as 8 of 10 car drivers have to little air in the tires this adds to the importance of "rounder tire" for increased mpg as well as the tire patch in direct contact with the asphalt.)
Other facts
Thread wear, energy saver wheels is best with threa wear value of around 400, 0048s or toyos are about 200
I would think that a higher load capacity tires would give a rounder tire so going to buy that to my peg-car.
example, load capacity of a 195x50/R15 82T, has a lower load capacity than the same with the ending 92T, the letter is the speed mark.
I used to run Yoko stock all round as they came with the car, but when the backs recently wore out went for Toyos all round. Main reason being that they no longer do the Yoko A043 and I wanted the same tyres all round.
Steering was a bit light at first and there was a distinct roll, BUT when I checked the tyre fitters had not put the pressures in that I had asked for ( 36/26 as recommended by this forum ), and they were way lower and mismatched. Once I sorted that everything was fine. Saying that, I can't really talk about hard driving, as I tend to drive a bit more sedately than a lot of other people on this forum that I know s;) ;) s;) .
Just had a new set of TOYO PROXES T1-R , NOT had any Sprited driving yet but the car feel's well planted , so many tyres to choose from, can reccomend the garage where they supplied and fitted EMPRESS MOTORS ACCRINGTON , WHEN THIS LITTLE MONSOON PASSES WILL TRY OUT THE NEW TYRES HOPE TO SEE LOTS OF PEEPS AT THE DING DAY .
Quote from: "Stephster"BUT when I checked the tyre fitters had not put the pressures in that I had asked for ( 36/26 as recommended by this forum )
28 at the front and 36 at the back are the pressure I have seen recommended for T1-Rs running the standard pre facelift sizes of 185/155 x 15 and 205/50 x 15. Running those pressures now after many years of ignorance (when I was running 26 at the front and 29 at the back) seems to have greatly improved the handling.
The Yoko A043s were only any good on a dry road and were poor in wet weather and completely lethal in snow and ice in my experience. The T1-Rs are much better in both the wet and with ice and snow conditions.
Presumably someone at Toyota wrongly thought that due to the car's impracticality for carrying luggage etc that it would only ever be driven on dry, warm and sunny summer days. Otherwise why they would have specced the Yoko A043s as OEM equipment?
I'm personally still itching to try a set of Hankook V12 Evos on my car and see how these compared with the Toyos.
Quote from: "Lippy"I have Toyo T1R's all round, they were on the car when I got it with plenty of tread, I have OEM wheels for facelift car but I find them pretty poor tbh asides from what everyone else says.
s:( :( s:(
Seconded
See above
Has nobody here yet tried a set of the new Hankook V12 Evos in either pre or post facelift stock car tyre sizes. This on paper looks to be an extremely good tyre at an extremely reasonable price. I nearly put a set on my car in December when my two back tyres were worn out but as I had one near new front T1-R and one only one third worn front T1-R I went for two more back T1-Rs reasoning that the front and backs would then be all worn out at the same time when the next set was required. (front tyres wear at only about 60% of the rate of the back tyres in my experience).
For anyone with a pre facelift car with standard wheels a major point to consider about the T1-R is that Toyo will be phasing it out out over the next two years and replacing it with a newer high performance tyre for which the smallest wheel size will be 16 inches. In 15 inch size tyres and below they will only then be offering lower performance tyres. This is a result of performance cars having increased their standard wheel sizes over the years as with the post facelift MR2 Roadster. As Hankook will still be making the V12 Evo in pre-facelift 15 inch sizes this is why members of this forum surely will begin to start using it at that stage?
When it comes to new tyres on a standard car (pre facelift) is it best to stick to the original sizes? Pre facelift cars are 185/55/15 front and 205/50/15 rear, is it best to stick to these or go wider/lower profile etc (whilst keeping original wheels on)?
Quote from: "bernie11a"You might want to try a nitrogen fill.
I had a full set put on last month & was told that a nitrogen fill would make a difference, running with 36 psi rear & 28 psi in the front and they are pretty good.
My mother was offered a nitrogen fill with free further top ups totally free of charge the last time she bought a pair of tyres for her car. The tyre prices were also some of the most competitive anywhere for that tyre so she didn't appear to pay anything extra for the nitrogen fill service. They also converted the two tyres that weren't worn out to nitrogen fill as well.
More on the advantages of this at m http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/ho ... ns/4302788 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/repair-questions/4302788) m
Hi, opinion varies about the tyres ... but they're all better than what you currently have fitted.
Toyo's are great, GSD3's are fab, no experience of the Falkens ... but always been tempted by them.
Considering your wheels are 7" then you are probably slipping outside of manufacturers specs fitting 225 tyres, but probably do-able.
The other sizes look good to me.
When selecting tyres I usually use a tyre calculator, it helps you get your rolling radius (or diameter) as close as possible to the original tyres. The 35 profile is a bit below the standard diameter so will help acceleration, but the low profile may not be that comfortable and could also cause a bit of quicker break-away as the walls have less to flex. Ideally though I would have preferred to go for that size for my car, and I have 7" rims all-round... I don't know if I could have lived with it though s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: and my front wheels are 16" so I couldn't get the 452's in a suitable size for the front s:? :? s:?
For me, Toyo's or GSD3's are probably the best choices depending upon what you want to spend, you won't regret either of them imho.
Help please.
Toyo T1R users...
How much tread do you have left on the EDGES of the tyre? I mean the bit that is just slits on either edges not the main agressive tread pattern. Im not sure if my 2 is wearing the outer edges or if the toyos have fairly shallow edges compared to the main tread. Also, the law is for 1.6mm or more across the main 3/4 of the tread, on the t1r's would you say the edges on wither side are outside of this 3/4 limit, therefore the 1.6mm rule doesnt apply?
Thanks!
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Quote from: "chris3boro"Help please.
Toyo T1R users...
How much tread do you have left on the EDGES of the tyre? I mean the bit that is just slits on either edges not the main agressive tread pattern. I'm not sure if my 2 is wearing the outer edges or if the toyos have fairly shallow edges compared to the main tread. Also, the law is for 1.6mm or more across the main 3/4 of the tread, on the t1r's would you say the edges on wither side are outside of this 3/4 limit, therefore the 1.6mm rule doesnt apply?
Thanks!
Yes, I seem to remember the outside of the Toyos does wear on the fronts, I never really had a problem with it though.
Yeah mine are going the same way although they have been on the car for a while and had some reasonably serious abuse! What size and pressures are you running?
(thanks for merging Nic)
Thanks for replies. Standard pre facelift 185/55/15 front, 205/50/15 rear, T1Rs all round, 28 psi front, 36 psi rear.
You see before I thought i needed the alignment sorting but as the tyres are 6 years old it may just be from time etc plus the fact these tyres seem to wear a lot on the edges anyway, if that makes sense.
I believe I've said this before but any tyre 6 years old is fit for nothing but plant pots.
....also because I have only had the car 5 months, for all I know the previous owner wasnt anywhere near as careful with checking tyre pressures as he should have been, therefore allowing the edges to wear even quicker than normal. I think I'll get the new t1Rs on all round and see how it goes.
Nic-agreed, they are being replaced as soon as I get back from my holiday in the next fortnight. I am looking forward to having fresh rubber on all round, always nice have new tyres on !
From memory the T1R's do tent to wear the shoulder off on the front ... theirs not necesarily anything wrong with that ... but then I do "exercise" my tyres s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
The Marangonis don't tend to suffer in the same way, but their tread is exceptional compared to many.
Interesting, seeing the comments regarding the T1-Rs excellent wet grip.
I'm of the opinion that they're pretty guff in the wet. Better than the old T1-s, but nothing like as good as 040/Eagle F1/Pilots.
I wanted something that was progressive, but not the best in terms of out and out grip, since I like chucking my car around, but I'm finding the sidewalls on the T1-R's to be a bit too soft in standard pre-facelift sizes, although having said that, it's more the fronts that are the issue. I had the car in for an alignment last week, and it's all reset to standard, but I'm taking it back tomorrow to add a bit of front toe in. I found the turn in a bit pants until I had an alignment done, although now it's much much better, but in a straight line, it feels a bit vague.
I'm told that's a characteristic of this car? It was in for an MOT last week and passed with not a single advisory, so nothing's worn to any sort of unnacceptable level at all, I was quite specific that if anything was at all baggy or loose, get it changed.
Anyway, I've rambled on a bit, but yeah, T1-R's are alright in the dry, pretty progressive, but a bit crap in the wet. Which is fun, and as a result, fine, but I wouldn't say they had particularly good grip.
Golly s:shock: :shock: s:shock: I found the Toyos hugely better in the wet than RE040's!
Even when fresh on they outperformed the RE040's and that was on standard suspension at the time.
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"Golly s:shock: :shock: s:shock: I found the Toyos hugely better in the wet than RE040's!
Even when fresh on they outperformed the RE040's and that was on standard suspension at the time.
I've not tried both tyres on the MR2, but I had both of those on my Prelude, and the RE040 was a superior tyre IMO, in every way.
I also found the Maragonis you like to be utter crap, but then, when I bought my MR2 it had a pair of them on the front, and some Nangkang crap on the rears, so it wasn't very well balanced. Understeered everywhere though, very frustrating.
Quote from: "doogz"Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"Golly s:shock: :shock: s:shock: I found the Toyos hugely better in the wet than RE040's!
Even when fresh on they outperformed the RE040's and that was on standard suspension at the time.
I've not tried both tyres on the MR2, but I had both of those on my Prelude, and the RE040 was a superior tyre IMO, in every way.
I also found the Maragonis you like to be utter crap, but then, when I bought my MR2 it had a pair of them on the front, and some Nangkang crap on the rears, so it wasn't very well balanced. Understeered everywhere though, very frustrating.
So you're basing your suggestion on a totally different car, that is heavier and is front wheel drive?
And mixed tyres is obviously going to handle like crap
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"Quote from: "doogz"Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"Golly s:shock: :shock: s:shock: I found the Toyos hugely better in the wet than RE040's!
Even when fresh on they outperformed the RE040's and that was on standard suspension at the time.
I've not tried both tyres on the MR2, but I had both of those on my Prelude, and the RE040 was a superior tyre IMO, in every way.
I also found the Maragonis you like to be utter crap, but then, when I bought my MR2 it had a pair of them on the front, and some Nangkang crap on the rears, so it wasn't very well balanced. Understeered everywhere though, very frustrating.
So you're basing your suggestion on a totally different car, that is heavier and is front wheel drive?
And mixed tyres is obviously going to handle like crap
In terms of grip, I didn't find them as, well, grippy. I severely doubt that's going to be affected by which wheels are driven. You're being obtuse. If they don't grip as well on one car, you think they'll provide more grip on another?
As for mixing tyres, that's quite a statement, given that as standard, you don't run the same load rating, width, sidewall height, or pressure, front to rear. Compound and pattern are just more variables.
yep grip is affected on a different car as the car weight change the load on the tyre hence the reason why the toyo's like a little more pressure
Sorry, you're going to have to explain that for me.
The car weight changes the load on the tyre, so the Toyos like more pressure?
That just shows how much attention you've paid to all the tyre discussions.
However....
I've often found that a tyre that performs on one car does not perform well on every car.
Pirelli P6000's worked well on my heavy VW Bora, but were crap on a lighter car.
Hence, the T1-R's probably suit the lighter weight of the MR2, but probably not overloaded under a bigger Honda FWD.
The P6000's would probably have been fine s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
If you assume it's irrelevant which end of the car is driven, or where the wieght bias is then you're sadly mistaken.
Please don't suggest I'm being obtuse, I think you'll find that I'm pretty helpful and share my experience with anyone who cares to listen.
Yes it is quite a statement to say mixed tyres don't allow for consistent and safe handling on the MR2, there are a few cars in scrapyards that show this.
There are plenty of people driving on many different tyres who rate them and have found through experience that Toyos operate better on this car at higher than oem pressures.
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"That just shows how much attention you've paid to all the tyre discussions.
However....
I've often found that a tyre that performs on one car does not perform well on every car.
Pirelli P6000's worked well on my heavy VW Bora, but were crap on a lighter car.
Hence, the T1-R's probably suit the lighter weight of the MR2, but probably not overloaded under a bigger Honda FWD.
The P6000's would probably have been fine s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
If you assume it's irrelevant which end of the car is driven, or where the wieght bias is then you're sadly mistaken.
Please don't suggest I'm being obtuse, I think you'll find that I'm pretty helpful and share my experience with anyone who cares to listen.
Yes it is quite a statement to say mixed tyres don't allow for consistent and safe handling on the MR2, there are a few cars in scrapyards that show this.
I'll happily admit I've paid approx. sfuck fuck sfuck all attention to tyre discussions on here. I don't think that makes my opinion or experience any less valid though, does it?
However, P6000s are probably the worst tyre I've ever encountered. I've been told they're better on heavier cars. I found them dreadful on an XJ6. Yeah, the Prelude was heavier, but it wasn't really a heavy car in the grand scheme of things, 1200kg ish? And similar power to the MR2, so the weight over the driven wheels was probably fairly similar.
If I assume it's irrelevant which end of the car is driven? Please, don't take what I say out of context. In terms of out and out grip, I found the 040 better than the T1R. Actually, I had them both on the 106 at one point, and thought the same. That doesn't necessarily make them a better tyre.
I never suggested you don't share your experience, however that doesn't mean mine is wrong, and yours is right, don't confuse your opinion with fact.
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"There are plenty of people driving on many different tyres who rate them and have found through experience that Toyos operate better on this car at higher than oem pressures.
Thanks, although that doesn't really answer the question.
It's true some people prefer the 040 and feel it gives better grip, I just found the T1-R gave a better all-round performance ... but it did take a while to realise the tyre pressures could significantly improve them. s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
You have to remember that a FWD is basically dragging itself along the road ... I do enjoy both FWD and RWD cars ... you have to admit though they do require markedly different driving styles. I have heard other people with FWD cars complain about the grip from the T1-R's, and the noise from them too ... probably not as important a factor in our cars.
Mid-engined RWD cars put different demands on tyres, for one thing the car tends not to lift away from the road surface like a FWD car, the tyres get pressed into the road surface due to the leverage of the weight.
So there is an important difference why tyres may behave differently on different cars.
The RE040 tyre is better than many, the T1-R is just a different option that behaves better than some and worse than others.
The best tyres I've had on the '2 are GSD3's ... but then I'm too tight to spend money on more exotic tyres.
The Marangonis were a shot in the dark I admit, and came well recommended by people who tracked, then I found some hill climbers really rate them too. Surprisingly they work very well and anyone who's tried them on the '2 have found them to be nothing short of excellent. They do have a quirky look to them like the car is wearing Nikes s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: ut they do work well.
P6000's were at one time good tyres, but you did need a heavy car to get them to work, and again maybe they just don't suit RWD cars.
I even had BF Goorich Profiler 2 tyres on my Yaris T-Sport and they were hilariously good tyres, and severely under-rated. People had tried them on other cars and found they didn't suite them at all ... so again a tyre that didn't suit every car.
So out of all of this ... tyre choice is hugely subjective, and you have to rely on peoples' opinions and then try them and form your own.
Which is why we have the Tyre review database.
Some people even prefer mixing tyres, it's not against the law ... but, in general, the MR2 doesn't react well to mixed tyres and people have crashed as a direct result.
Certainly people have crashed with matched tyres, but it is less of a probability.
Endless discussions have gone on over the years so I better stop now
So to sum it all up opinions from experiance on here and facts can be found via GOOGLE.
Actually, never mind.
FACTS in these cases are only opinions accepted by the establishment. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Because everyone has a different driving style you're never going to bottom the argument.
One persons experience is a fact to them, but only an opinion to others ... I accept that.
Doogz- can I ask, why did you get the alignment done with the toyos? Was it due to the wear? Would you mind taking a wuick red of my last few comments about the edges wearing quickly, Id appreciate it from another pre Facelift driver. Thanks
Opinions are like bottoms - everyones got one and they are all rather important to the person in question.
I think you also have to bear in mind the preferences of the person in question....
For example my last car (800kg,101bhp, mid engined rwd and far more go-karty the the '2) 452's were my weapon of choice for the rear, pilot sports for the front (yes in know mixinetc etc but wait)...
The reason for this was that I found that pilot sports offer HUGE grip BUT when they let go they 'switch off', 452's offer less ultimate grip but SLIDE. THe car had a slight tendancy to understeer but by putting a slightly less grippy tyre on the back and upping the presure slightly (about 1-1.5 psi) i could get a more neutral balance and towards the limit the tendency was for the tail to break away first - but in a progressive manner which i found more communicative than the pilot sports on the back where it had a tendency to revolve at a rate of knots with little warning.
Now I fully admit that pilots would have given more ultimate grip, but I found a 'solution'; that suited me better in that i dont MIND a slightly tail happy car - i can drive round that - but i dont like a 'snappy' car...
Now I am not saying that the same combination would work on '2 (though i suspect it might!) - or that it would be to everyones taste, but its an example of why one person might thing a particualr tyre is GREAT nad another person think its doo-doo.
(oddly I liked t1r's on the VAGmobile which weighed in at 1700+kg)
We aren't going to let this thread slide the way of others into an endless debate, its been done too may times before. BUT the combined wisdom in this club , for THIS car, is that mixing tyres is a bad idea. We have seen too many cars into ditches because of it.
At the end of the day it is the individual's choice, but there you have it.
I also apologise if I was a bit overtly abbrasive yesterday, lack of sleep and stress made me a bit cranky.
You're still wrong though s:P :P s:P
Quote from: "chris3boro"Doogz- can I ask, why did you get the alignment done with the toyos? Was it due to the wear? Would you mind taking a wuick red of my last few comments about the edges wearing quickly, Id appreciate it from another pre Facelift driver. Thanks
Chris, I didn't get the alignment tweaked at the same time, and one wasn't a result of the other. The car needed new tyres, the car needed the alignment done, the front toe was a bit squint.
I had the tyres done at a local place in Glasgow that a good mate owns, he has alignment equipment, but it's not as precise as the garage I use (for all the things I can't be bothered, or don't have the tools to do myself) so I had the alignment done when the car went for it's MOT. It's going back this afternoon so we can tweak the front toe some more and see what difference it makes.
As for wear on edges, I'm not sure from reading the thread if yours are wearing on the outer edge, or both edges. Both edges, obviously usually indicates underinflation, either individual edge can point to problems with the alignment in terms of toe angle. Wear on the inner edge can mean too much camber, or depending on how many miles they've done, and how you drive the car, can just be a product of having some negative camber, and wear on the outer edge can show positive camber, although this would be quite unusual, and you'd probably notice it visually, although again, depending on how you drive the car, it might be a sign that you've not got enough negative camber for the driving you're doing, and you're working the outside of the loaded tyre hard on cornering.
I've been meaning to buy myself an IR thermometer so the next time I'm messing about on track or on a hill I can see how the tyres are working, where the heat is.
So anyway, more rambling from me, where are your tyres wearing? Inner edge? Outer edge? Both edges? Do you have a print out from the last time you had the geometry checked?
Cheers
Doug
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"I also apologise if I was a bit overtly abbrasive yesterday, lack of sleep and stress made me a bit cranky.
You're still wrong though s:P :P s:P
Who me?
I'm never wrong. My opinion is fact. It's just yours that's not. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Na, only messing. I can be quite opinionated, but I never mean to insult or annoy. It just kinda happens like that sometimes...
So I have narrowed it down to (new tyres all round) :
- Toyo T1-R
- Uniroyal Rainsport 2
- Vredestein Sportrac 3
The cars running the toyos at the minute and I think it handles v well. BUT, having had the car for only 6 months or so I havent had anything else on it so cant compare. The only criticism I could have of the Toyos is the soft sidewalls but as I say I cant comment on the other 2 above regarding this.
I have heard huge praise for the Rainsport 2s generally and vredestein seem to be making a name in the sports tyre section.
Has anybody tried either of the other 2 options aove, ideally on a 2 but any other experience will be more useful thann nothing. Thanks
Hmm after some searching the general thoughts FOR AN MR2 seem to be very mixed at best for the vreds and uniroyals. Its annoying that this is such a subjective topic as it means you dont know if youll be happy until youve been using them for months! My ideal tyre would be Vredestein Sessanta, but not available in the right sizes s:( :( s:(
I have heard good things about the Rainsports too, but again it is subjective.
If you try something new then you will be expanding the options for everyone, which is a good thing. If you find they're carp then you've done a good thing ... Err.... For the rest of us.. s;) ;) s;)
No one said trying new things was without risks.
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Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"I have heard good things about the Rainsports too, but again it is subjective.
If you try something new then you will be expanding the options for everyone, which is a good thing. If you find they're carp then you've done a good thing ... Err.... For the rest of us.. s;) ;) s;)
No one said trying new things was without risks.
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Haha well this is it,it'd be like a service to mr2roc. I have looked at the best prices for the 3 options,incl delivery they are:
Toyos £216
Rainsport 2's £244
Sportrac 3's £257
Quote from: "chris3boro"Hmm after some searching the general thoughts FOR AN MR2 seem to be very mixed at best for the vreds and uniroyals. Its annoying that this is such a subjective topic as it means you dont know if youll be happy until youve been using them for months! My ideal tyre would be Vredestein Sessanta, but not available in the right sizes s:( :( s:(
I have the Sessanta's on my car and i also had them on my M3, they're a terrific tyre in the wet and dry but i had to get 71/2" wheels to get the right sizes.
Mike
Quote from: "Mike_V"Quote from: "chris3boro"Hmm after some searching the general thoughts FOR AN MR2 seem to be very mixed at best for the vreds and uniroyals. Its annoying that this is such a subjective topic as it means you dont know if youll be happy until youve been using them for months! My ideal tyre would be Vredestein Sessanta, but not available in the right sizes s:( :( s:(
I have the Sessanta's on my car and i also had them on my M3, they're a terrific tyre in the wet and dry but i had to get 71/2" wheels to get the right sizes.
Mike
Not heard a poor review on them yet,wish they did my size!
Neither have i and in my opinion they are one of the best tyres on the market, without doubt!!
Just a quick note, had e-mail from Hot UK deals saying that 195/50/15 Toyo T1R Proxes are £29.89 + £2.99 P&P from CamSkill Performance. Haven't had time to check other sizes but thought maybe someone might even need this size for another car.
Quote from: "chris3boro"Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"I have heard good things about the Rainsports too, but again it is subjective.
If you try something new then you will be expanding the options for everyone, which is a good thing. If you find they're carp then you've done a good thing ... Err.... For the rest of us.. s;) ;) s;)
No one said trying new things was without risks.
sent from a planet somewhere nearby
Haha well this is it,it'd be like a service to mr2roc. I have looked at the best prices for the 3 options,incl delivery they are:
Toyos £216
Rainsport 2's £244
Sportrac 3's £257
Our MR2 is getting close to needing new tyres, hence considering looking into Toyo's instead of the RE040's. Do you mind revealing where you got your prices from?
On a general note I have noticed that some owners have run Toyo's at an increased width (say 195 instead of 185), is there any reason for this??
For about 5000 miles I ran Rainsport2 on the back and RE040 on the front. Standard wheels on pre FL 02 plate. The front felt as if on rails but was badly affected by road finish so gripped well but tramlined and at times scared the hell out of me. Rears in comparison seemed to sway a bit and sit into corners.
Now have T1Rs on front (standard size) for 1000 miles and these are more forgiving to poor road surface. I'm not sure if grip as well as the RE040 but they are more predictable so the car goes where you want rather than where the road chucks you. Still have the RS2 on rear.
Tread pattern on T1R and RS2 is near identical and yes the side walls are softer than RE040. Car feels more balanced so suggest the 2 tyres are similar. Overall the grip and predictability means that for me a better (faster) drive.
Quote from: "Starfish"Quote from: "chris3boro"Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"I have heard good things about the Rainsports too, but again it is subjective.
If you try something new then you will be expanding the options for everyone, which is a good thing. If you find they're carp then you've done a good thing ... Err.... For the rest of us.. s;) ;) s;)
No one said trying new things was without risks.
sent from a planet somewhere nearby
Haha well this is it,it'd be like a service to mr2roc. I have looked at the best prices for the 3 options,incl delivery they are:
Toyos £216
Rainsport 2's £244
Sportrac 3's £257
Our MR2 is getting close to needing new tyres, hence considering looking into Toyo's instead of the RE040's. Do you mind revealing where you got your prices from?
On a general note I have noticed that some owners have run Toyo's at an increased width (say 195 instead of 185), is there any reason for this??
I looked through lots of sites and pieced together the best deals...
4 T1-Rs all from camskill for £216.36 posted
2 front sportrac 3's from mytyres, 2 rears from camskill, total £257.00
2 front rainsport 2's from allnewtyres, rears from camskill, total £244.78
All above prices are delivered and for pre facelift standard wheels (15 inch front and 16 inch rear tyres)
Hope that helps
Thanks Chris. Just had a rear pair of RE040's in OEM size for 16" rims fitted. Cheapest I could find was here: m http://tyresavings.com/ (http://tyresavings.com/) m costing £246 for the pair fully fitted through Halfords. s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Starfish"Thanks Chris. Just had a rear pair of RE040's in OEM size for 16" rims fitted. Cheapest I could find was here: m http://tyresavings.com/ (http://tyresavings.com/) m costing £246 for the pair fully fitted through Halfords. s:) :) s:)
Ouch thats expensive! Shows how much you can save from extensive searching online
Quote from: "chris3boro"Quote from: "Starfish"Thanks Chris. Just had a rear pair of RE040's in OEM size for 16" rims fitted. Cheapest I could find was here: m http://tyresavings.com/ (http://tyresavings.com/) m costing £246 for the pair fully fitted through Halfords. s:) :) s:)
Ouch thats expensive! Shows how much you can save from extensive searching online
Not really Camskills delivered =£212 before fitting. Guess this is the price one pays for keeping things stock s;) ;) s;) Tbh as I have used Bridgestone's on many cars to date, I was not 100% sure I really wished to trade down to Toyo's s:) :) s:)
Most rate Toyos on the roadster but its all personal preference. It sounded v expensive but I guess its because of the different sizes compared to pre facelift. The prices Ive got for the toyos all round, which I rate, is great compared to 2 bridgestones, which you obviously rate too. If you like 'em stick with 'em I guess.