Car going in next week to have the BMC type carbon enclosed airbox fitted. After discussions with my garage it's going to be mounted at the rear of the engine bay low down to channel the coldest air straight into the engine and keep it the furthest distance from the heat sources. Standard air box set up will be removed along with the markiii pipe so look out for them in the for sale section in the near future if you're looking for them.
Will be mounted in the same place as mine then I guess s:) :) s:)
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WIll you post some pics when its done?
Certainly will.
Do you mean the same location as the PPE ?? This is the best place for drawing cold air.
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I think he means more where the AEM goes Rob, but the PPE placement is no doubt the best place.
Quote from: "onion86"I think he means more where the AEM goes Rob, but the PPE placement is no doubt the best place.
I wasn't sure to be honest Stu, I went through the pain of different postions if you remember and certainly the PPE position (or other makes positioned the same) won hands down - especially in traffic etc.
+1 IIRC you did take some persuading on the PPE Rob s;) ;) s;)
Still miss my PPE s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "nathanMR2"+1 IIRC you did take some persuading on the PPE Rob s;) ;) s;)
Still miss my PPE s:( :( s:(
Yep to right there Nath. s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:D :D s:D s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "FGrob"Do you mean the same location as the PPE ?? This is the best place for drawing cold air.
Yes, that's where it going. I thought the battery would have to be moved but evidently not!
I was wrong then, I got confused with what 'rear of the engine bay' meant s:) :) s:)
Good choice of location, let us know how you get on.
Been speaking to to. About this today zonda, hes told me the plans using a silicone elbow. Should work well that; slightly diff to mine as I moved battery to the front to make way for charge cooler.
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Yes, enough space for it to be fitted without moving the battery so it's all good.
Yeah once u remove all the parts that are unnecessary in the bay there is loads and loads of room indeed.
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And I'll be able to sell the original induction system.
Yeah thats true. Always be somebody wanting to put a standard one back on I guess. Any other plans for it once this is done bud?
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There are always plans, depends if I get the new job as to whether I can proceed though! I'd like a new exhaust.
Yeah ive got loads of plans now lol. Want this new spoiler ive been after for a while and I think tom is wanting to twin turbo mine now rather than stay single lol should be entertaining lol
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I'd like a spoiler but cosmetic mods come after performance for me! I have a problem with my brakes that needs investigation too
Ahhh right yeah tom seems to be doing millions of them at the moment lol
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I dunno what's wrong, plenty of stuff on the pads and discs seem fine but making a terrible groaning under braking.
Hmmmm sounds wierd. Those ebc brakes can make noises like, im sure tom will figure it out like.
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Woohoo, this is finally being fitted along with my short shifter tomorrow, brake upgrade is being looked at too. I love it when a plan comes together!
Great stuff mate. Im going down tomorrow to sort out our japfest stand so I will have a nosey
I'll be there at 1.30, where is Japfest, I might go!
Its at castle combe mate in may
Just back from picking it up and have to say I'm delighted! No noise difference at tick over but a lovely roar that builds under acceleration but never becomes boomy. Engine response from low revs is much better which resulted in me nearly being caught out while exiting a roundabout s:shock: :shock: s:shock: to be fair it was wet but I gave it the normal power I would always have used and lit up the rear! Pics to follow as soon as it stops raining.
Glad tom worked his magic for u zonda. Looked a well put together kit when he was doing it yesterday
Bah! I've not seen it yet!
Aye its very similar to my set up mate. Nice exhaust will really set it off s:) :) s:)
can you give us a breakdown of the bits you had to get thinking of doing mine s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown: s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
I got a BMC style carbon airbox from Car Builder Solutions, exactly the same as a BMC but only £60 odd quid, I also bought a Spectre Performance MAF adaptor from Amazon America off all places! I scoured all the online car part shops in the UK but none had them. It came from the States in 7 days for £30 delivered. Tom at Future Racing Developments then ordered 2 silicon hoses so it could be mounted where he wanted it, I haven't seen these yet but they were £25 from eBay. I'll get pictures put up as soon as I can. So far if you want a system to get you car breathing better with a bit more noise you can't fall off for the cost.
sounds good to me s8) 8) s8)
Think I still have all the receipts for the stuff I ordered for mine like mate
One straight silicone
2 45 degree silicones
The cbs carbon filter
2 samco hose joiners
Few micalor clamps
Sorted s:) :) s:)
would sound well with the cobra exhaust ....
Yeah I have mine coupled with a veilside exhaust and it sounds epic
Stop it! I'm skint...
Bracing is key to be honest on a standard power roadster.it honestly transforms the car
I know but I'm not sure what to go for in that respect.
Front strut upper brace and under body breastplate with out a doubt! s:) :) s:)
Nathan's running a group buy on a load of bracing bits n bobs at the mo!
Front upper brace
Rear upper brace
Belly brace
Front lower brace
Rear lower brace
Anti roll bars
Thats ur basic choices
The biggest difference u will notice is
Front upper brace
Belly brace
After that I would do anti roll bars
Then u have the remaining ones and also the option of polybushing the car too.
Quote from: "dj2k21"Front upper brace
Rear upper brace
Belly brace
Front lower brace
Rear lower brace
Anti roll bars
Thats ur basic choices
The biggest difference u will notice is
Front upper brace
Belly brace
After that I would do anti roll bars
Then u have the remaining ones and also the option of polybushing the car too.
You forgot the side bracing. But on a side note I have all that bracing and I can jack up one corner but lift three corners off the ground at once.
Yeah I dont count the side bracing because its not bolt on.
Yeah I know what u mean. Mine is so stiff its unreal! (Cars pretty stiff too) lol jokes
No but seriously my car handles like a wasp now
I used to be able to lift 3 wheels on my Golf it was that stiff, mind it had a fortune spent on it...
Ok here are the pics, you can't see much given where it's located but you should get the idea.
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In case you're wondering, the bit of wood is a TRD item for when someone's replaced the battery with a smaller size and the bracket doesn't fit anymore!
Speak to tom he has some good pics from underneath. .. I must say though ur engine bay is shamefully dirty... tut tut lol
It's bad enough cleaning the bits you can see!
Dont be so defeatist. Get the bay cleaned up and u will feel loads better lol
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Happy now!? And no I'm not spending any more time on it today, it's started snowing!
Doesnt look like you have touched it... get some elbow grease on their young man
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There something like that.. spit and polish lol
oi!!!!...leave him alone....its for driving not polishing s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: ya tart
Hahah a clean car is a happy car...
The dirt that sits in ur engine bay and body work means the air passing through isnt a smooth flow and is disrupted meaning more drag at speed and ultimately a massive loss of power.. upto 0.00001 bhp in some cases, a power that can only be gained back through at least 3 magic tree air fresheners .... fact!
Quote from: "dj2k21"Hahah a clean car is a happy car...
The dirt that sits in ur engine bay and body work means the air passing through isnt a smooth flow and is disrupted meaning more drag at speed and ultimately a massive loss of power.. upto 0.00001 bhp in some cases, a power that can only be gained back through at least 3 magic tree air fresheners .... fact!
I just make sure I have a big dump before I go for a drive to lighten the load!
Oh jesus haha... too much info haha
and that piece of decking wood looks rough and needs sanding for better streamlining s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
I just need someone with more skill than me to alter/fabricate a new bracket!
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Image from underneath the car.
Quote from: "Zonda_"I just need someone with more skill than me to alter/fabricate a new bracket!
just get a length of 6mm threaded stud bar cut to desired length bend one end so it hooks into holes couple of wing nuts on tuther end then clamp down the cross piece that holds battery in place
See I wouldn't even know where to buy threaded bar!
B&Q s:) :) s:)
any nut and bolt supplier or merchant just do a google for you area or yellow pages
Quote from: "FGrob"Do you mean the same location as the PPE ?? This is the best place for drawing cold air.
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which induction kit is this one
Quote from: "ray835"Quote from: "FGrob"Do you mean the same location as the PPE ?? This is the best place for drawing cold air.
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which induction kit is this one
PPE s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
looks very neat ,any uk suppliers of these s:) :) s:)
Nope. Import from the states but very expensive. Great bit of kit though, still miss mine s:( :( s:(
gonna get a cbs enclosed filter.....what size silicone hose do i need theres so many on ebay?
70 mm
Quote from: "jamiepeters29"gonna get a cbs enclosed filter.....what size silicone hose do i need theres so many on ebay?
You will need a MAF adaptor with this. I had to get mine from Amazon in the states. Its made by Spectre Performance.
cheers will look these up now s:D :D s:D
have a look at this too. I use it to make my induction up.
m http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show ... -air-feed/ (http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/41/725/toyota-air-feed/) m
Very similar to what I used but mine was a fraction of the price including delivery from america.
Hi guys,
Can you list the required parts that you used, prices, etc.
MAF adapter, what size, type.
CBS box. Hoses required and sizes .
Did you have to get the car re tuned or simply buy and fit.
Thanks
Brilliant threat!! def going to follow suit s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Zonda_"Very similar to what I used but mine was a fraction of the price including delivery from america.
Just wondering if the mount is still lasting well or would it have been worth while paying for the more expensive? And if the BMC carbon style one is still lasting well?
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I can confirm.. 5 years on and it's going strong still.. perfect s:) :) s:)
Is it a BMC? That's what I'm thinking of going for, sounds like they last well
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I can confirm.. 5 years on and it's going strong still.. perfect s:) :) s:)
Cheers
Very clean engine bay by the way s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Is it a BMC? That's what I'm thinking of going for, sounds like they last well
Are you thinking of going down the genuine BMC route, or for the Car Builder Solutions replica? From what dj said above the replica seems to last well
Quote from: "dkirkwood89"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Is it a BMC? That's what I'm thinking of going for, sounds like they last well
Are you thinking of going down the genuine BMC route, or for the Car Builder Solutions replica? From what dj said above the replica seems to last well
I was thinking he BMC but if there is a replica which is as good, share the details!!?
Quote from: "Zonda_"I got a BMC style carbon airbox from Car Builder Solutions, exactly the same as a BMC but only £60 odd quid
Zonda/dj - was this the one you used? - http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/remote-carbon-fibre-canister-air-filter
if it is, it's a lot cheaper than the genuine BMC one, and by what dj said it lasts and works just as well
The car builder one is the one I bought originally and then put zonda and the others onto buying it I've compared it to a genuine.. believe me... its not a replica. . Your paying for the BMC sticker thst comes with it lol
Quote from: "dj2k21"Think I still have all the receipts for the stuff I ordered for mine like mate
One straight silicone
2 45 degree silicones
The cbs carbon filter
2 samco hose joiners
Few micalor clamps
Sorted s:) :) s:)
What bore size of silicone hoses did you get and why did you end up with 2 45degree ones and a striaght one - was this to get it down behind the rear light?
And (sorry for my ignorance here) what did you need the hose joiners for?
Quote from: "dj2k21"The car builder one is the one I bought originally and then put zonda and the others onto buying it I've compared it to a genuine.. believe me... its not a replica. . Your paying for the BMC sticker thst comes with it lol
haha that suits me ok. maybe get my own logo made up...
Honestly can't remember the size at all. It may have been 76mm but I would have to physically check.. well I had to use the hose joiners to join 2 bits of silicone together to achieve the desired length but my pipework will be alot different to yours with mine being turbo.
I will nip out and take some pics in the garage for you
Here you can see the air filter and the silicone hoses I use as a cold air feed. The bends are joined together using hose joiners as seen on the picture.
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Next you see where it's mounted on the chassis of the car. Then the silicone hose after the filter is heat wrapped to prevent both Melting and heat soak from the exhaust system
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Next is just a close up picture of the hose joiners for you. I'm still unsure of the size however the cbs part does come with its own ducting it just wasn't suited to me that's all so at least you could fit it before upgrading to silicone. Pretty sure it's 3 inch though.
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Lastly you can see yet another hose joiner joining the silicone bend onto the intake side of the turbo.
Apologies for the dirt the cars not been used in 18 months
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Ah didn't realise about the turbo lol cheers great help
Going to check with my insurance after work how it will affect it then get buying :-) :-) :-)
Did you get the filter from car builders?
Dale
Thanks from me too, I'll order one from car builders I think
I'm gona have a look to see if I can pick one up cheaper anyway else (doubt it though) - I'll let you know if I do
That'd be great, thank you s:D :D s:D
Yeah I got mine from cbs but then I spread the word about this amazing product and the price shot up because they must have cottoned on that they were selling loads lol
There are a few choices on eBay with 3" inlet / outlet for around £50.
But I would probably get the cbs one as it's known good quality
lol I was just coming back on here to say the same thing, going to just go with cbs
if all goes ok when I ring my insurance tomorrow I'll buy my parts then s:) :) s:)
I found the spectre maf adapter on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spectre-Performance-8705-Air-Flow-Sensor-Mount-/311237458823?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item487732bb87 - incase you haven't got one yet
Im just going to buy it and cbs carbon filter kit as it has hoses and clips with it. I'll eventually get samco ones but this will do in the meantime
Yeah the bits you get with the kit are ok.. but the ducting is really cheap nasty silver stuff. But gives you a good base to start with. . Gladly I didn't have to buy the maf adapter as I don't run a maf sensor on mine
I'm going to be using it on a 2zz conversion so don't need a maf adaptor ( well, I do, but it's different). Have to wait to see what silicone hoses etc I need once the engine is in.
Yeah best way to do it is measure and make up your own kit like for sure
My CBS kit came today s:D :D s:D probably won't get at it til next weekend though
Just have 2 questions - what end of the air filter goes to the inlet manifold? And do you just leave the other end of the filter with nothing attached to it?
What do you think of the general quality?
Put some hose to take air direct from the scoop into the inlet of the cda
It all seems good quality apart from the ducting. It will definitely do the job for a while but am going to replace it with samco hoses.
Quote from: "dkirkwood89"It all seems good quality apart from the ducting. It will definitely do the job for a while but am going to replace it with samco hoses.
Do you mean the ducting iINTO the airbox? That stuff is always cheap rubbish. Samco is unusual for that side of the box, you can get a better quality flexible hose
The silver ducting you get with the kit is pants. You deffo need to make up your own cold air feed to the side scoops for sure. That's what I did but with silicone hoses. Much nicer. The filter itself is awesome and never needs to be touched again s:) :) s:)
Are your silicone hoses flexible or did you just use the std rigid ones? I know what you mean, it looks just like the hose on the back of my tumble drier lol
Can't wait to get it in to it now. Going to measure it tonight then look for the silicone hoses online
should be 3", but let us know if not! thanks. take pics along the way!
ah bugger forgot to go out and get it lol (got it sent to my parents)
Will definitely take pics a long the way though s:) :) s:)
dj/mark - what end of the filter goes into the inlet manifold and what end is the inlet of the filter?
From memory I don't think it matters which way buddy. Both the same as far as I recall.
My silicone are the rigid type. Once you know what lengths and bends you need you just order them to suit s:) :) s:)
Brilliant s:) :) s:)
I'll have to head round tomorrow to bring it round (I just get everything sent to my parents because the postman knows where to put parcels when they're not there lol)
I'll keep you's updated
If you look in the canister you should be able to see what is effectively a cone filter. Personally I would fit the box so the filter is facing the way that it would normally be installed if the carbon box wasn't there.
Cheers Mark, that's the way I was thinking of going
Quote from: "dkirkwood89"Are your silicone hoses flexible or did you just use the std rigid ones? I know what you mean, it looks just like the hose on the back of my tumble drier lol
Can't wait to get it in to it now. Going to measure it tonight then look for the silicone hoses online
Hi dkirkwood89,
Did you have any joy with the hoses?
Probably going to order one of the CBS filters too s:) :) s:)
Yeah I ordered them from AutoSiliconeHoses - look a good job but haven't got round to fitting anything yet cs im still waiting on my MAF Adapter arriving s:( :( s:(
I'll stick some photos up of what I have at the minute at the weekend s:) :) s:)
Finally got this done lol gives a great sound when flooring it like you said, but still nice and quite when just pottering about town
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Just to add to this thread - I've recently bought the Car Builders Solution (CBS) carbon airbox, and I've been able to compare it to the identical one on ebay for around half the price that a friend bought. I can confirm that they are indeed identical - right down to the moulding marks on the plastic end caps. Both have fine steel mesh filters (i.e. no cotton). SO if you're considering one of these, save your money and go for the ebay one!
Good to hear :-) :-) :-)
Help needed.
I am trying to fit a BMC CDA behind the battery and cannot get it in s:scared: :scared: s:scared: . Smutty comments and jokes will be well received after I fit in s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
I have the box recommended by BMC for >1600cc engines. Dimensions 200l x 150d, the air inlet is 80 and outlet 82.
There is a smaller box available with 185l x 130d and outlet 70mm, but only recommended for < 1600cc.
Pics to follow which shows the Elise Maf holder and SFS 45deg bend in place.
I have removed the battery bracket for access.
Any thoughts appreciated.
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Just another point is I understand that the CBS lookalike is 200l x 130d and 75mm orifices.
Here's a picture of mine. I'm using the Elise parts MAF adaptor and the CBS carbon filter can.
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I had to trim the silicone elbow right down to get it to fit, and also cut off the bracket on the bulkhead (you can just about see where I cut it off, above the left hand end of the carbon canister).
I've moved my battery to the front too.
Thanks!!!!
I thought the bracket could go as it just keeps the electrics in the way.
I ran up the engine without the filter and all ok (briefly in the garage). I left the spacers off the Maf screws because with them in place this left the plastic sensor just proud although the "o" ring was well in.
Wondered if you used the spacers or not?
Much appreciated the reply and the pic s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
I bought the BMC CDA (the larger one) I have battery up front and whatever I did couldn't get it to fit and still achieve a sensible route to the side vent. It's that bump in the bulkhead that causes the issue even if you drill out the little bracket.
Shame as they are a well made thing, I ended up selling mine and locating a cone right out into the airflow in the side vent
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I also stuck a side vent on to ensure plenty of cool air.
Hows the cone working for you? Running well?
I ended up going back to stock as my wife was driving the car daily and didn't really like it. Also, I had bought a cheap MAF holder and it didn't work well as the diameter wasn't right. I've bought a spare standard airbox and going to cut the holder out of it and then re-do the induction kit. This won't be for a few weeks though as I'm changing job and will have more time once I do
Dale
It runs well on the cone, it's a fairly large Jetex one and the cone shape lets it push right up to the back of the side vent. I use the Eliseparts MAF holder which also works well. The setup is very loud though, really screams at high revs (2zz probably adds to this) not a problem for the track, but might be bit wearing on the road.
Progress s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: .
Bracket removed and silicone hoses trimmed, been in and out more times than a proverbial s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes: :
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Next bit the battery (no wonder hens get upset) s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
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More room in a sardine can, but clearly you can fit s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Looks good Jock
You happy with the sound?
I'm hoping to get mine sorted over Christmas
Thanks s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown: .
Yes also happy with the sound, but not really the reason for the install. I did not run mine on the road before also adding the Cobra Quad so hard to isolate one from the other. I did have a tick-over in the garage, with standard, no filter and then the BMC and its more obvious outside than inside the car. Especially from the nearside air vent s:lol: :lol: s:lol: .
You'll see from the earlier bits in this thread that mr-ed_smt moved the battery. I have mine in place but altered the position of the securing bracket. This gives you about 20mm extra which you'll need.
You will really need to trim back the hoses, which you'll see from mr-ed and my pics.
Have fun s:D :D s:D .
AND you'll need to get rid of that bracket s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
After 2 months I finally have a reply from BMC in Italy regarding the size and spec for the CDA. No use to me now, but maybe helpful s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown: .
"I think that even the smaller CDA (ACCDA70-130) can work on your car. It will surely perform better than the standard OE filter.
Please do not hesitate to contact me for any further clarification.
Kind regards,
Alessandro
BMC AIR FILTERS
Alessandro Galletti – Area Manager"
This means a saving of 15mm on length and 20mm on diameter from the ACCDA85-150 which was recommended for cars over 1600cc. Cheaper too s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: .
I finally got round to putting in my CBS BMC style air filter last night s:oops: :oops: s:oops: lol
going really well, but the engine light came on today and I had to put more oil in. Battery was reset but engine light back on, haven't had a chance to connect my EML tester to see what the code is yet.
Any ideas what the issue could be? I haven't done the 10 minute battery disconnect and couple of hard drives to reset it yet.
Dale
Getting there Dale s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
You are a daft bugger if you did the work with the battery connected s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
Anyway, you do not need hard drives, so check your code and see what's recorded. Depending on the reader you have it may have the facility to re-set codes.
I suggest you carefully check the joints between the MAF sensor and the manifold. If these are not properly tightened you could be sucking air s:? :? s:?
Another thought is the MAF sensor holder. What have you done here ?
I know lol kicking myself now
I bought a spare air box and cut it down to use it as I had a bit of bother with a universal one I got before
I think I'll disconnect the battery later, spray the MAF then take it to training. It'll get sitting an hour and half then a drive home so will know better then. If the EML light comes back on ill check it when I get to the training, think I can reset it with mine
So I disconnected the battery for ten minutes then drove home but the EML came back on - P0136 P and P0141.
The last time I tried to put the induction kit in I got the exact same error, ie P0141, but not the other one. That was about a year ago. Not sure if this is just a coincidence so I might just reset the codes with ODB reader and see if they come back on
Have you been driving the car without EML issues before doing the induction work?
If so the you need to carefully go over the things you have done s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
The sensors and wiring are not the most robust s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Yeah just since the induction kit went in
I'll get a look on friday. Its just strange that it's an 02 sensor that is showing just. Maybe try taking it out and back in as well checking the wiring
It sounds to me like air getting in behind the MAF.
If it isn't properly sealed then the MAF will be showing a lower airflow than the engine is actually getting, it'll then adjust the mix incorrectly and the exhaust O2 sensors could be going outside their voltage tolerance and throwing the error.
+1 AndyM.
Dale take a look at the earlier pics in this thread. If you have installed as your earlier post last year then you are missing worm drive hose clips either side of the MAF holder s:? :? s:?
Compare with mr_ed_smt and mine.
If you want to check this then you can run the engine without the filter and use the spare clips to properly secure the MAF holder and make sure the MAF sensor is properly seated s:wink: :wink: s:wink: .
AndyM/Jock cheers s:) :) s:) that makes sense
I'll get a look on Friday after work, won't get any time until then
FYI I ended up putting it where the standard airbox was and running the ducting to the duct behind the light. I'll get some pictures up on Friday when its (hopefully) fixed and I have my BMC CDA sticker stuck on it lol
I got sorted with the EML light... turned out we had just forgot to reconnect the connection at the coolant bottle s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Only noticed it when I took the light off on Friday as the other end was tucked neatly under the piping
All good now s:D :D s:D
I added an image...in my own thread below so I would stop taking up this one s:oops: :oops: s:oops: sorry
http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=53985
Is there any crankcase vent lines to worry about when doing this type of mod or are those gases dealt with another way? I'll be aiming to run a catch can in the long run but haven't seen any mention of it here
Quote from: "Tonys track hack"Is there any crankcase vent lines to worry about when doing this type of mod or are those gases dealt with another way? I'll be aiming to run a catch can in the long run but haven't seen any mention of it here
I haven't heard it being mentioned before Tony, unless anyone else can shed any light on this
How does the Elise-parts MAF housing tube compare with cutting off this section of the airbox? I noticed inside the plastice airbox MAF housing there are two vanes for channeling air that are missing from the Elise-parts MAF housing tube.
Is this the one you're using https://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/41/725/toyota-air-feed/ or is there another one available as this is only listed for 2zz-ge Elises?
That's the correct part as shown in my installation but a tad more expensive than it was s:( :( s:( .
Have a search about on here as a few members have modified boxes as Dale has done, which seems to work better than the universal MAF holder that Dale tried last year.
So compare?
The Elise feed is a simple install and no performance or sensor issues. Others may come on and give more details or pics of the cut-down, but simply the vanes are there to channel the air from the box - which you no longer have s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
If you look on here you'll get a decent image of how another member cut up his airbox
http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=49042&hilit=induction
it's about half way down the first page. That's the same as how I cut mine and there have been no issues at all. I managed to pick mine up on ebay - full airbox with MAF sensor for £15
Dale
There has been discussion about the vanes before both on here and on Spyderchat.
The airbag version has them primarily to regulate the airflow into the MAF which is very turbulent. If you think about it the air is coming around two 90 degree angles in the engine bay, then into the lower half of the box, 90 degrees again up through the filter and then 90 degrees back towards the throttle body... very messy.
However, in a less turbulent installation they will be less important. The main decent third party induction kits like the K&N and PPE don't feature them as they are more or less a straight line from the intake to the engine. I built mine using the alloy housing from a PE turbo kit (without vanes) and it's been great.
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Ok thanks for explaining about the vanes, that makes sense. I've bought a section of 70mm diameter silicone pipe with a 45 degree bend, a K&N filter and a secondhand airbox which I have cut the maf housing tube off. I'm going to fit it and if I decide to keep it then buy the lotus parts MAF housing pipe.
I did try an Apexi induction kit a while ago and liked the increased throttle response, sound and pull at high revs but felt it lost too much low and mid range power and made the power delivery pretty lumpy. However the Apexi did locate the cone filter where the stock airbox is so it suffered a lot from heat soak.
I've got to cut the section of silicone pipe down, how long is the section you're using and do you have any problems with the filter moving around, hitting the battery or bulkhead and getting damaged?
Which install are you asking about s:? :? s:? ?
Any of the ones that locate behind the battery and aren't secured apart from by the intake pipe.
I'll try and measure the pipe for you tomorrow. Mine was dictated by the space needed for the heat shield but without you could get it deeper down towards the vent if you wanted.
Movement wise it's been fine. I was originally going to make a bracket to secure it to the battery mount but it was proving fiddly. It literally moves about a mm given how tightly packaged it is with the shield so decided not to bother (also the shield physically protects it too).
All in all I'm happy with mine. Sounds good, no heat soak that I've noticed and feels like it pulls a little better through the range (certainly no worse than my old K&N panel/markiii pipe combo which was noticeably better than stock at the low end).
OK my install is all supported by the hose connections which hang off the inlet manifold. As with AndyM I looked at a bracket for support. In my case the BMC comes with a bracket. However with the LOA and the Elise feed none was required. I have stuck door frame draft excluder on the back of the filter between bulkhead and battery support, but no sign of wear and no vibration evident. If you look at the earlier posts you will see that Mr-Ed_Smt and I removed the bulkhead bracket and in my case ground the protruding screw for access.
So far as measurements I followed the bit by bit process. First shave the 45 degree connection at both ends so that you get a firm connection but not cause disturbance in flow. Next trim the joint between MAF holder and filter (if BMC) to allow for space and solid connection. If a cone like AndyM this distance will be to place the filter nearer the airflow from the vent. Next decide if you want or have space for a flexi on the intake side to direct air.
Simples s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
I fitted mine yesterday. Really pleased with the performance and sound improvement, it doesn't seem to have lost any low end torque, still able to drive at 30mph in 6th on flat, but it definitely seems to pull harder and rev quicker higher up the rev range. When I have the accelerator just lightly down at low revs it does make quite a noticeable hissing noise, does anyone else have this? I'm using a k&n cone attached to a chopped up maf housing from a stock air box.
Come on post a pic s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "js1mr2"When I have the accelerator just lightly down at low revs it does make quite a noticeable hissing noise, does anyone else have this?
Yep s:) :) s:) Mine with the Apexi on it you can basically hear the engine taking a deep breath on throttle, and then a growl as you move up the revs. Goes nicely with the exhaust note when pushing on I find.
+1 AndyM. Think your Apexi has more sound transfer than the BMC CDA. Like a peaceful intro for the rest of the band - harmonies with Cobra cool s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Jock"Come on post a pic s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ygh2sjks33tc6nw/k%26n.jpg?dl=0
Just a bit of a test fit, really pleased with the performance result after a week of driving so I've bought the (extortionately priced) eliseparts maf housing. It's shorter then the section of plastic maf housing from the air box I'm using so when I fit it I'll adjust the length and angle of the silicone pipe as currently the filter is resting on a hose in the pic.
I do like the noise when accelerating but I am surprised by just how loudly it hisses, I had a k&n cone filter on a pug 306, civic vti, s2000 and mk2 mr2 and none of those hissed!
Glad your sorted s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
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Here's one i'm constructing - its cost about 25 quid so far!!
looks good. where did you pick up the cone from cheap?
how does it sound?