Yesterday was national vacation, so I decided to install the TRD suspensions sitting in my living room since a month with a friend (I did the installation with a friend, I didn't have a friend sitting in my living for a month s:roll: :roll: s:roll: ).
Insallation was kind of a pita... no real problem but nearly 5 hours of slow and meticulous work.
I gave the first run in position 2 (1 is "soft", 4 is HARD)
And OMG is it rocking !!
When you brake, it doesn't lean
When you turn, it doesn't lean. Even the TTE stabilizers set on hard at the front and medium at the rear let a little bit of roll. Now, nothing.
I tried position 1 to see. It's just a little harder than stock. It's still better than stock because it combinates better with the H&R springs than the stock struts, maybe H&R are too hard.
Tomorrow I'll try position 4, rock'n'roll baby !!
s8) 8) s8)
How long did it take to fit?
Quote from: "dieamond"Insallation was kind of a pita... no real problem but nearly 5 hours of slow and meticulous work.
5 hours including taking the tools out of the MR-S Cave at the beginning and cleaning ourselves at the end.
I saw a professionnal install my springs in 1 hour for the 4 wheels before though, so it's definitly possible to do better :-) :-) :-)
The Sportivo has adjustable struts? s:shock: :shock: s:shock: I always thought they were non adjustable...
Quote from: "143hawaii"The Sportivo has adjustable struts? s:shock: :shock: s:shock: I always thought they were non adjustable...
That WAY-DO is some new TRD series, the "real" Sportivo doesn't have adjustables.
Ahhhh, I thought it was a typo and he meant "Way to Go!" or something like that s:P :P s:P
Is WAY-DO only in Europe/UK?
No Waydo is an official name from TRD.
m http://www.trdparts.jp/parts_sportivo.html (http://www.trdparts.jp/parts_sportivo.html) m
That's it, but they don't list waydo sportivo for MRS
Quote from: "dieamond"That's it, but they don't list waydo sportivo for MRS
Yeah, their pages have always been more or less behind on what's really available s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "dieamond"No Waydo is an official name from TRD.
Wow, you learn something new everyday s:) :) s:)
Is this an entire sportivo kit similar to the normal kit (i.e. it includes sways, springs, struts, bushings, etc.) with the only difference being that the struts are now adjustable? Where'd you find it, japanparts.com?
Ad : I have good prices on them on mrs-passion.com s:P :P s:P
It's not a kit, but you can buy all the parts of the sportivo separatly if you want.
I recommend taking the springs, to have a good match
You can take the bushings which are cheap too.
Quote from: "143hawaii"Where'd you find it, japanparts.com?
I think everyone who sells TRD should have them...haven't checked on pricing, but I'd be surprised if the cheapest way to USA would be through Europe with double shipping and our taxes s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Edit: Oh well, let's ignore the taxes then s8) 8) s8)
A *real* society can sell without tax if it's out of Europe :-) :-) :-)
(I insist on real society, as opposed to "home business")
Arnaud,
any idea if teh springs are teh same part number as the ones that are usedon teh normal sportivo?
They are definitly different : harder, lower, cheaper.
WayDo Sportivo Springs :
front; 23.4N/mm
rear; 46.2N/mm
approx. 20mm - 30mm lower
Sportivo Springs :
Front K=15.6N/mm
Rear K=33.6N/mm
approx. 20mm lower
Sportivo springs are 80Euros more expensive than the Waydo
(don't ask me why...)
Quote from: "dieamond"Sportivo springs are 80Euros more expensive than the Waydo
(don't ask me why...)
One TRD brochure introduced Waydo as "cheap and fun for people who don't need the best" or something like that. Maybe they are more show than go, or maybe it's 100% marketing, who knows...
Quote from: "dieamond"They are definitly different : harder, lower, cheaper.
WayDo Sportivo Springs :
front; 23.4N/mm
rear; 46.2N/mm
approx. 20mm - 30mm lower
Sportivo Springs :
Front K=15.6N/mm
Rear K=33.6N/mm
approx. 20mm lower
Sportivo springs are 80Euros more expensive than the Waydo
(don't ask me why...)
Bloody hell thats stiff! (said the actress to the bishop...)
Are you sure they're not track springs? I dont think I'd want anything that stiff in the UK.
Ok...now you made me wonder...
The TRD track springs that have been available since 2000 or so are:
-25mm Drop
K=23.4N/mm(2.4kgf/mm)
K=46.2N/mm, (4.7kgf/mm)
And they are recommended to be used with these struts, also available since 2000 or so:
Damping force 4grades adjustable, ex.)2nd: 713/727N (73/74kgf)
The penny drops... So TRD have a load of unsold Track kits they want rid of then?
Quote from: "GSB"So TRD have a load of unsold Track kits they want rid of then?
Kinda looks like it s:? :? s:?
I guess that's a good thing, if you live in a country with good roads s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
To be honest, the car is better on hard road with struts + H&R than with H&R on stock struts
I think I read on SC that H1R springs are harder than the TRD
Quote from: "dieamond"They are definitly different : harder, lower, cheaper.
WayDo Sportivo Springs :
front; 23.4N/mm
rear; 46.2N/mm
approx. 20mm - 30mm lower
Sportivo Springs :
Front K=15.6N/mm
Rear K=33.6N/mm
approx. 20mm lower
Sportivo springs are 80Euros more expensive than the Waydo
(don't ask me why...)
Wouldn't it be great if we had the specs for the stock springs (00-02 and 03- models)...
I'm wondering whether the (standard) Sportivo springs aren't just the same stiffness (within 10% or so) as the stock, but just 20mm shorter?
But, hey, the WayDo Sportivo springs are definitely stiff, their specifications are almost the same as the competition/track springs (as seen on the Japanese version of TRD website)
I'm definitely going to fit the 4-way adjustable struts, but I'm still hesitating about the springs. If the standard Sportivos are stiffer than stock and you can adjust the shockies to "hard" that may be stiff enough for track days. Then you could revert to a more "civilised" setting for day to day...
Anyone know where I could find the specs for the stock suspension? Even Toyota dealers don't know!
Cheers,
John
Quote from: "phat"If the standard Sportivos are stiffer than stock
They are quite a lot stiffer than stock. I don't really remember the numbers, but the stock springs had very low numbers...I just remember thinking if the Sportivo would be too rough, when I saw the numbers before buying them.
...but then again, it's all about the spring+shock combination, not just the shock...
Quote from: "Tem"Quote from: "phat"If the standard Sportivos are stiffer than stock
They are quite a lot stiffer than stock. I don't really remember the numbers, but the stock springs had very low numbers...I just remember thinking if the Sportivo would be too rough, when I saw the numbers before buying them.
...but then again, it's all about the spring+shock combination, not just the shock...
Tem,
Do you know if the Eibach/TTE coilover springs are stiffer than the (standard) Sportivo springs? s:?: :?: s:?:
Did you also fit the member spacer that came with the Sportivo Springs kit s:?: :?: s:?: (the thing that looks like a round ended spanner) and if so, did it make a difference to your camber angle (I assume you got your geometry/alignment checked after fitting Sportivo s:wink: :wink: s:wink: )
Quote from: "phat"Do you know if the Eibach/TTE coilover springs are stiffer than the (standard) Sportivo springs? s:?: :?: s:?:
Already answered you on the other thread s;) ;) s;)
QuoteDid you also fit the member spacer that came with the Sportivo Springs kit s:?: :?: s:?: (the thing that looks like a round ended spanner) and if so, did it make a difference to your camber angle (I assume you got your geometry/alignment checked after fitting Sportivo s:wink: :wink: s:wink: )
Yeah, I put them in and the alignment check was right where it should be.
Worth mentioning that the mechanic said that these days all quality lowering kits come with hardware to get the alignment back to factory specs. I have no idea how much it would be off without the spacers, but I think most aftermarket springs come without them...
Quote from: "Tem"Quote from: "phat"Do you know if the Eibach/TTE coilover springs are stiffer than the (standard) Sportivo springs? :?:
Already answered you on the other thread ;)
QuoteDid you also fit the member spacer that came with the Sportivo Springs kit :?: (the thing that looks like a round ended spanner) and if so, did it make a difference to your camber angle (I assume you got your geometry/alignment checked after fitting Sportivo :wink: )
Yeah, I put them in and the alignment check was right where it should be.
Worth mentioning that the mechanic said that these days all quality lowering kits come with hardware to get the alignment back to factory specs. I have no idea how much it would be off without the spacers, but I think most aftermarket springs come without them...
Got some info from iMR2 and littlerocket from SC on the coils spring topic. From what they could recall, the Eibach/TTE are more or less the same stiffness as stock springs (albeit 30mm shorter).
The Sportivo springs are linear and slightly stiffer than the progressive H&R springs (average stiffness). A few people who do a lot of autocrossing have fitted the WayDo or Competition springs and said they were excellent. However for every day use, they are apparently too stiff.
Therefore I've opted for the standard Sportivo springs and the WayDo 4-way adjustable struts. I think this will be a good combination.
Got an email from TRD France (Dieamond) and Technocraft in Japan today... should be getting the gear next Friday :P