Ok guys some of you have heard rumblings and there has been some limited discussion in another thread.
Here is the lowdown;
Representatives of all of the UK MR2 clubs were invited for lunch with the DC (MR2 Drivers Club) at MR2004 last week. At this meeting all clubs were invited by Ken Kinnersley to talks with regard to a possible unification of the clubs.
The letter below summises the invite, though it should be stressed that the emphasis was put on the fact that this is not a proposed DC merger/takeover, but potentially a completely new club, with a new board, a new structure, and a new name.
m http://www.mr2roc.org/documents/MR2DC_proposal.pdf (http://www.mr2roc.org/documents/MR2DC_proposal.pdf) m
After discussion amongst the Committee we have decided that we will listen to any proposals and report back to you the membership.
Many of you may be members of other MR2 clubs as well as ROC, some of you will be aware of the historic reasons behind the current multiude of clubs and why they were set up in the first place. But this isn't the place to go over old ground.
There may be benefits to a "One Club" approach, there may not, there may be benefits to a closer relationship between the clubs than the somewhat antagonistic approach that currently exists. Though, in fairness this is usually between the other clubs and the DC - I haven't seen much evidence of it, for example between ourselves and IMOC. Or, there may not.
At the present time, we are not advocating any course of action save one, hearing what there is to say.
What we would like to hear is what you the membership think. Do you have views on a "One club approach", be them good or bad, and how do you feel about a paid membership? What would constitute the best future for the club(s) in your mind?
We aren't asking for a vote, more to get an insight on your feelings, what you'd like to see, and even the things that you don't want to see. If theres a reason you're here, and not IMOC or the OC or the DC, why is that? What would you not like to see happening? Do any of the other clubs do things better? Things you'd like to see?
This will give us a basis on which to evaluate any discussions, and the ability to share your concerns or suggestions. Should the clubs as a whole reach the point where there is a motion to vote on a particular course of action rest assured your votes will be what decides it, with regard to whether ROC participates or not.
Only two other points to bear in mind, please let us keep this rational and sensible, and bear in mind that any opinions from committee members raised in this discussion are only their individual opinions, just as yours will be. They hold no more credence or sway in any outcome.
So let the discussion commence...
Looks like I am the first to see this - probably because Friday is an early lunch!
Only just bought a '2, and only just joined the club. I did initially sign up to IMOC before I even knew about MR2OC, but I got fed up of all the Mk1 & Mk2 chatter. Unless there was a seperate "division" for Mk3 run by Mk3 owners (because it is so different a car), I would prefer to keep seperate.
Having recently been looking around the other sites I agree. No disrespect to Mk1/2 owners at all but i'm not really interested in their cars, (and it seems the feeling is mutual).
The Mk3 is such a different and unique car and has very little coverage on the other sites as they appear to firmly concentrate on Mk2's.
I feel that our roadster community would be diluted if there was an alliance and I would certainly miss this site.
That's my view anyways!
<straps on concrete boots, jumps in with both feet>
Personally, I have nothing against a paid membership - as long as it carries some benefits - though I don't count a magazine as a benefit s:) :) s:) Club insurance schemes, traders discounts etc do count however - and lets face it, club insurance schemes are easier to set up if you can say "we have X thousand paying members" than "we have a few hundred free members"..
However if any new club was formed, I'm not sure I'd want it to be run as the MR2DC is.. Accounts have to be made public, in full rather than just a summary, and I'm not sure I believe in clubs being run as for-profit businesses with full time employees that have perks (such as company cars) - when I'm paying membership to a club, I liked to know that the money is going toward running events for the members, not toward paying for someone elses house and free car..
Other than that - I very much like the MR2ROC, and I'm not sure I'd want it to lose it's identity and it's forum, this is a nice place to be, well policed in terms of moderation, polite, friendly and full of good technical advice. By the same token I wouldn't want to lose IMOC-UK-CHAT - unmoderated banter and sarcasm abound.. I can honestly say I've never bothered visiting the MR2DC forum (if it even has one) - I only joined to get a good deal on insurance, and that turned out to be a waste of £40!
Just my (quite large) 2penneth,
Aaron
i second that.apart from spyderchat there was no other mk3 only site that i could find (probably didnt look hard enough s:D :D s:D )
the help and advice good or bad i have recieved on here has been excellent and i feel that if it was a combined site it could lead to 'my car is better than yours or should have brought a mk2' disccussions.
i wouldn't mind paying any sort of yearly subscribtion s:?: :?: s:?: but there would have to be some benifts to that rather than just access to the site.
Unfortunately, I as with many others only have any affiliation with the MR2DC for insurance purposes (strong DIG bias). Other than this I have gained nothing from being a member of MR2DC over the many years of membership. There is a very strong link between MR2DC and DIG which I'm sure is purely for financial reasons, as DIG no longer offer the same sort of wide spread mod freindly insurance across the board as they used to.
In my personal opinion MR2DC are too smug for their own good and offer nothing to the likes of MR2ROC, MR2OC or IMOCand only look for a unification deal due to the many 'two' owners that they as yet do not get membership fees from.
Once the present generation of 'picnic hamper and AA road atlas' style owners have disappeared, then I cannot see the MR2DC continuing unless they are successful in this move. (wise move on their part!)
I will continue to pay their membership fees as long as I remian with DIG, however if I should change insurance company then I would not. The same would be said if MR2ROC became part of this business empire as MR2DC is a business, do not ever doubt that!
to finish, I believe MR2DC are old school and offer nothing, they wish to unify for financial profit and self survival. IMHO of course s;-) ;-) s;-)
with regard to the MK3 specific discussions being lost and having no interest in teh MK1 and 2 stuff, I tend to agree.
From my perspective though there are 2 issues, a merging, or closer co-operation between teh clubs, and seperately how the websites/forums/mailing lists would run.
The first is more concerned with overall governance, i.e membership, be it paid or not, national events, discounts, insurance, all that kind of things
The second is more day to day operational, so for example say there was one website, I would expect specific sections for different Marks, to cover the same kind of divisions currently served by the clubs at present, certainly there would be no point in just one large bucket where everyone talks about everything. Under such circumstances we would just frequent the areas that interest us, much as we do now.
Like wise with regard to Aarons comments (cheers matey) I would want any web presence to be much like we have now, inevitably it's a awkward line to walk between total free speech and keeping the site useable. But I certainly see the online presence as a community not just a place to discuss techie issues. Thats currently why teh DC site is so scorned because it is rigid technical and anything else is deleted.
Just to re-iterate,
While I do agree with Perry's comments. one thing to clarify is that there is zero chance of us or I suspect any other club just saying let's up and join the DC with a few bells and whistles.
For any merger to be considered there has to be benefits to both sides, and a coming to gether of equals. and Perry has very much summed up teh benefits to teh DC.
What is going to need to happen in order for any merger to occur would be a club run along teh lines that we all buy into, and that IMHO does not mean company cars e.t.c.
OUR requirements would need to be met which is going ot mean an awful lot of change for teh DC as well.
For example I personally don't know Ken and he may well have altruistic motives or he may not. Fact of teh matter is that I don't think any merger would be contemplated with him still around by the majority of teh uK clubs membership. That may be not fair, but I don't beleive they will ever trust him. Thats a concession teh DC will likely have to make.
Quote from: "markiii"Like wise with regard to Aarons comments (cheers matey)
Anytime Mark, you'll stick the fiver in the post today, right? s;) ;) s;) s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I tend to agree with Perry - MR2DC are only doing this because otherwise they'll simply slowly die out, especially now that DIG are now no longer offering the great insurance schemes they were, and sadly that was basically the only reason for a great many of us to join - the magazine is very Mk1 biased (with a bit of Mk2 and Mk3 thrown in here and there), and generally.. well - I only read one of them!
I'm not sure a unified board would be that great either - personally I come here and hit 'View new posts since last visit' - which works really well here.. If there were umpteen sections I had no interest in, it would be really hard to keep up with the stuff I
am interested in - the Mk3 stuff (oh and the friendly banter!).
I'm not sure I agree that joining the boards would result in us being told to buy a Mk2 though - sure, we get called all sorts of things on IMOC-UK-CHAT (y'know, hairdressers cars, we're all s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: etc s;) ;) s;) ), but that's because it's a chat list s;) ;) s;) I think 90% of members of all the clubs are mature enough to keep that kind of thing out of the technical sections.
If the clubs did merge, I'd want to know that our committee (and the IMOC committee) were sat right up at the top of the tree alongside Ken (assuming he remained, I know a lot would rather he didn't) to make sure things were being run
for the members, and not for financial gain.
As I say, I'm not entirely against the idea of paid employees - once clubs get to a certain size it becomes almost necessary due to the workloads on the club committee members - but I'd really rather we stayed as three smaller clubs that could continue to be run on a not-for-profit volunteer basis.
There's nothing (IMHO) to stop us holding joint events, though I think joint events would go down much better with people if they weren't organised by the MR2DC as headliners - perhaps if the ROC or IMOC organised them and invited MR2DC..
Broadly speaking, then, I suppose I would be against the idea of one, grand, unified club.. Unless it got me a fantastic deal on insurance - but I think the days of clubs being able to negotiate great deals on that are sadly over s:( :( s:(
Aaron
I can see the benefit of a combined club in terms of discounts, insurance cost of badwith, but on a day to day basis, I really do not see the advantage. I'd hate for the amalgamated club to just be somewhere you join to get insurance cheaper, like the DC appears to be now.
Also i'm not being elitist in any way, but I think the memberships between the clubs is also very very different, and i'm not sure the personalities are particularly complimenting. This was evident at JAE when one individual from another club was spinning his car right by ours. I can't ever imagine someone from ROC doing that.
I think the divide which has become apparent thus far in the forums is evidence enough that the cars, and owners are very different in their interests and conversations. TBO honest I have no 'real' interest in the Mk2, and I feel that sentiment is true for Mk2 owners.
Having said that it could be really great to join the clubs, in my own experience i've had more waves from Mk2 owners that Mk3 owners, so if there was a way to join the clubs it could be quite something.
Overall though, ROC functions so well as a standalone club, i don't see the advantage to this club. I can see the advantage for other clubs joining ROC, in terms of knowledgable membership, admin and general running of a non profit community.
Also how would the amalgamated club allocate bandwith betwen marques etc? Or would there be no moderation? If there was no moderation surely a club like MR2OC with the majority of mk2 owners could effectively dominate the site, and it appear just like the MR2OC of today.
Just my thought of course!
I would kind of like to back up what has already been said here about MR2DC. I was a member for the aforementioned insurance purposes (which, really, the benefits aren't THAT great) and have to say, having owned two Mk1's and had a Mk2 for 6 months usage, the DC membership was dwindling even when I was a member, over two and a half years ago. It does smack slightly of being worried that they are going out of existance and that they need to do something. Also, the Mk1 is becoming a rarer and rarer commodity and most people who have a Mk2 tend to use it as an everyday car that doesn't really have any speciality value. The Mk1 certainly does because it was a great little drivers car, which give rise to many enthusiasts.
Also, I came here after the existing clubs offered me nothing on my Mk3. No info, no help, nothing. The forums and the technical areas concentrated on the Mk1 and 2 and it does seem strange that they have all of a sudden taken an interest in our car. Most drivers of the other marks completely blank or ignore us, tending not to associate with us, purely cos we don't have a hard top!!! Seriously! I have, in the time I have had my Mk3, had 1 waved from a Mk2 owner and a chat on a forcourt with a Mk1 owner, only cos I spoke to them first and said I had had one!!!!
Paid membership is only beneficial if there are benefits to the memebers, as Aaron has said. But one of the attractions, if I am to be brutally honest about it, of this site and club is that it IS free. I realise the moderators and sitekeepers do a hell of a job, but we have got by so far without having to charge for membership. And I am sure that it will remain a big attraction to a lot of people, either here or new. I for one am very happy with the donation process. It is voluntary and with a little campaigning, we CAN raise enough money to keep us going, as we have recently done so.
And finally, even though I have owned the previous marks, I am no longer that interested in them. I am now only interested in the Mk3. I have nothing against the other marks (especially the Mk1. I wish I still had it actually. Great car!), but my interest is no longer, so therefor, I want only to know about the Mk3. Why do I have to go to a community where, in the majority of the cases, the rest of the people on there are not intersted in MY car? I wouldn't be of theirs, I wouldn't expect it of them. So, whats the point? Everyone seems to be getting on just fine and the fact that we HAVE a choice of the different clubs is a good thing in my opinion. Each club offers something slightly different. DC is very technical. IMOC is, as far as I can tell and remember, very mod orientated. Here, we have a community that is very tolerant of all lines of thought and we all get on and exchange info and pleasantries very well.
I personally don't see the point of changing the status quo. It works like it is very well. Why change it and cause large disruptions, possible conflicts and a difference of opinion. I think it would be more trouble than it is worth.............
Don't know why, but I've always felt that MR2DC is only for people in UK. While MR2ROC is in UK, but for people everywhere. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't join MR2DC, or whatever the new MR2 club would be. Especially if there's a membership fee, which might have discounts for stores/insurances in UK, as I have absolutely no need for them. I have a hunch that many foreigners think the same. I can understand the reasons for UK people though.
For me this is the best MR2 Club. If this turns into one big club with all three generations in it, I don't think I have much interest for it. MR2 Owners Club ( m http://www.mr2faq.com/ (http://www.mr2faq.com/) m ) already tried this in US and failed. The Club is a great place for Mk1&2 owners, but there's basically nothing for Mk3.
(and I'm afraid that even though the reasons for separate Mk3 places might be old, the same reasons still exist...good will from people who run stuff isn't enough to change it)
have toadmit thats one of my concerns with membership fees. overseas members are valued, but would get no benefit from paying.
Wow, some very lengthy posts s:!: :!: s:!:
I'm a member of both here and MR2DC and I feel that being a part of these two clubs gives me the best of both worlds. I'm not clued up as to whats gone on in the past and don't feel thats relevant. The MR2DC has some very nice members of a wide spectrum of ages across all 3 models of the MR2. I'm also amember of IMOC which is very much Mk1 and Mk2 based whilst the OC is a very poor attempt at duplicating MR2ROC. IMHO.
The MR2 will one day stop being produced and we will all be in a club that will inevitably die. Therefore the stength of numbers can only be achieved with one overall operation containing all factions of the MR2 world. I don't believe it is possible for just one club to emerge as the old saying goes "you can't please everybody all of the time". Therefore if all the existing clubs became one then this would give rise to the birth of numerous smaller clubs run by people who did'nt want to get involved with this one big super club.
The membership at MR2DC is falling but they still have well over 2000 members. So they must be doing something right. The social side of MR2DC their strength, with regular monthly meetings. The IT side is their weakness as their site is not user friendly.
It makes great sense that all MR2 clubs should come together to co-exist and work together to obtain greater benefits from insurers, dealers etc. Maybe something like "MR2 World" which has associate clubs (MR2DC and MR2ROC etc) that have regular meetings of a committee set up for the benefit of all the clubs. This could be done as a two tier system. Firstly free access to website forums and secondly subscribtion for access benefits. Then maybe an annual MR2 event could be attended by all 2 owners and we can something that is the envy of most other makes.
I guess if there was just one club, there would still be breakaway clubs formed and in a few months or a couple of years we would be back to several club. The DC cant stop other clubs being formed.
I vote no. (but then Im no longer an owner s:cry: :cry: s:cry: )
For all the reasons stated above, and more besides...
No...
I'm happy with things the way they are. If I had a MkI or MkII I would happily go on to one of their boards. I'm sure if someone wanted to upgrade to a MkIII or downgrade to a MkI/MkII ( s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: ) then they would venture onto the relevant club.
I can see why they may want to merge, why should it matter what version car we have, we all drive MR2s. Given that each revision seems different in its own right, it seems the commonality is really only in name.
No offence to the guys on the other board, but I don't want to get bogged down with talk about model specific issues that I'm not interested in. All I could see it would really bring is increased banter posts and little benefit in technical issues. OK general mechanical / electrical issues might be relevant but I would hazard a guess that they would be generally model specific.
Would it just not be better to have an overall club co-ordinator for things that are relevant for each sub-club. That person(s) could then get in touch with each club secretary to let them know of offers / large meets / etc.
I'm happy in our own little corner of '2 ownership with things as they are s:) :) s:) Things might be better as a huge club, but I can see no real benefit to changing, so it would get a no vote from me.
Like the others I like this place because:
It's specific: The other cars may be called MR2's, but at the end of the day they really aren't that similar to my car, and so info about them ain't much use to me.
It's friendly: The balance here is just great.
It's not too big: It's easy to spot people, to get to know people etc. etc. You really don't get lost in the crowd.
I've nothing against paid membership, but if it were more than a token gesture (fiver/tenner type money), then there'd need to be reasonable incentives.
I've no real problems with joining the other clubs, but only if the result didn't mean me having to cope with thousands of posts about mk1/2 cars where aren't for me, and likewise so I didn't get lost in the crowd.
If ain't broke don't fix it. s:D :D s:D
EDIT too!:
I joined this site because I have an uncommon sports car that I enjoy discussing with, or getting help, from a limited number of like minded people.
It has been bl**dy useful and friendly site that would be hard to be improved to my liking without:
a) the car being sold for many years to many non boy racer owners to increase the number of different stories / experiences with the car
and / or
b) with many new aftermarket products services being produced
So for me personally I can't see either of those things happening just by coming under the umbrella of one big MR2 club. Therefore the only small attraction to me is the possibility of discounts and not being treated like a unknowledgeable halfwit by main dealers.
I have to agree with all the recent posts. They may be all MR2's but they need to have specialist clubs for all derivatives; so my vote is with leaving the ROC club as it is s:? :? s:?
No.
EDIT
Sorry. s:oops: :oops: s:oops: Quite simply for all the reasons stated above. The web site would have to be huge, and the ROC members would want to retain the same 'feel' as the site is now. So the new MR2 World (sounded good s:wink: :wink: s:wink: ) site would ahve to have a main page with three sites linking to it. Otherwise it just wouldn't work – there is just too much info for three models to fit into one site.
Better? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Darth Paul"No.
using as an example Pauls post. While it's a valid point of view more useful would be the reasoning behind it.
I would say stay as we are but try some joint ventures to see what happens. Then re-evaluate in 6 months to a year.
Doesn't every company trial & test before making decisions s:?: :?: s:?:
You can't decide on an unknown else we would all be millionaires & be in the Ferrari / Porsche owners clubs s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "SilverMSD2"Doesn't every company trial & test before making decisions s:?: :?: s:?:
PMSL.... er, not the one I work for s:) :) s:)
Ooops, sorry off topic.
Not too much to say as its already been said I think.
I joined the club before it was this big, before I had a 2. I bought a 2 and stayed with the club as it was roadster related, and the people are great. I sold the 2, and stayed with the club because the people are great!.
If we merge, then there are too many egos from other gens of 2, and it would be difficult to see any real benifits really. The only way really would be to have one club, but with 3 or 4 completely seperate areas, but cant see that makes any difference from now.
Keep as we are please?
My feelings towards this are pretty much the same as everyone elses, so I don't have a great deal to add on this matter.
I will say, however, that this is a fantastic place to come and chat with Mk3 owners: whether it be for technical advice, the odd bargain GB, or just to talk rubbish about whats on telly tonight. Anything that could possibly upset the great community spirit that has been built up here can only be a bad thing IMHO.
I personally don't agree with paying for membership of a car club: I'd much prefer to 'chip in' with money as and when needed, rather than being forced to pay regardless of monies needed to keep the club afloat. At least this way, we know that the Committee members aren't trying to screw us by getting as much money as possible and then spending as little of it as possible. I'm not saying that that happens in DC, but the way this club is run it can't happen. For a start, most of us know where other people live... s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
So, in short, I'm very much against the idea. There are numerous MR2 clubs for a reason: not everybody wants the same thing.
I'd echo pretty much what you've all said...
I've never owned a MK1 or 2, and have no intention or interest in doing so. I stumbled across MR2ROC and consider myself lucky to have happened across such a friendly, helpful knowledgeable bunch of people. I'm not a member of any of the others and whilst I'm too new to it all to know about the "history" that's been alluded to, I'm starting to get the idea and having rummaged around some of the other sites I'd be really disappointed if we went the same way. s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
It's the "R" in ROC that attracts me - I have a roadster, not one of the other marques, and no disrespect to them - but they hold no interest for me whatsoever. I've only been to a few of our meets but have enjoyed the opportunity to crawl over other roadsters and check out their mods and stuff - I just am not interested in doing the same on the other 2 versions. Having said that , as someone's already said - there's no reason why each club couldn't have a co-ordinator that could organise something big for deserving occassions?
I'm not against paying some sort of fee if it meant we could keep going in the current format, but as already stated, money can be raised through donations as and when required as we've already seen. But I certainly wouldn't want to pay a membership fee to receive a magazine and fund company cars etc - I'd rather opt out altogther.
thank you for listening s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
I've had my 2 for 4 months and before that I spent 2 years reviewing forums and websites for MR2 information.
This forum (and the Groups predecessor) is the only site I use/used on a regular basis. The DC forum was almost devoid of MK3 information.
I have a standard 2 and I'm not planning any modifications. The DIG quote was terrible (over double what I'm currently paying). Therefore, there is no benefit to me paying for membership to a group whose benefits I would not use.
If it is a question of finance for mr2oc running this forum, and the fundraisers do not raise enough, then I can understand a merger and a fee.
But if oc are self sufficient then, for me, I want things to stay as they are.
minor point but we are ROC, OC is teh otehr bunch s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I may only be a relatively new member here, but I agree with the general concensus so far - that there's no real advantage in joining/merging the clubs.
My parents are members of the DC (as they own a Mk2) and I used to be when I owned my Mk1. I only really joined for the insurance, however my parents regularly go to the local meets (they're in their fifties); which I think reflects what the DC really stands for - more of a social meet. I used to post on the DC site, however did find it very frustrating sometimes that the posts where purely technical.
I, like others on here, have progressed from owning a Mk1 to (almost! s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: ) owning a Roadster and feel that this communtity far better suits my current requirements than any of the other clubs do s8) 8) s8)
Quote from: "markiii"minor point but we are ROC, OC is the otehr bunch s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
It's getting like Life of Brian here, "People's front of Judea", "Judean People's Front", etc... s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
have to agree with a lot of people in that i cannot see it working, the 3 types are too different and you would end up with total confusion, i like ROC as it has that friendly feel to it that comes with a smaller club, you go to meets and are able to chat by name with a few faces that you recognise from before. How the hell are you going to remember 5,000+ faces or are there going to be as someone else mentioned, little splinter groups as as happened in America to Spyderchat.
LONG LIVE MR2ROC!!!!!! s:D :D s:D
I await the detailed proposals with interest but i can't really see them offering up much to make it worthwhile.
I'd really rather leave as is. I joined the DC expecting to get something useful but in the end found it far too 1+2 oriented and the DIG insurance quote wasn't competitive. Other forums don't seem to have the same atmosphere as this one, which I like very much. I think the ROC could only lose by association with the other clubs. IMO!
Ladies and Gents, thanks for teh feedback, so far keep it coming.
just for teh record though the UK clubs currently consist of
MR2ROC ---- US
MR2DC --- MR2 Drivers Club (Have the association with DIG
MR2OC --- MR2 Owners Club
IMOC ---- International MR2 Owners Club (UK Division)
MK1 Register --- MR2 MK1 Owners Club
Well to my mind, as other people have said - if there's benefit in belonging to a larger club then its worth it. I'm talking free stuff, cheap stuff etc etc.
There's power in numbers,
I don't think necessarily it will alter the dynamics of the club anyway, I'd see it as a member state of a larger commonwealth. You get the benefit of having thousands of members, but never have to talk about a Mk1 (if you don't want to).
We fear change - sorry Wayne's World moment.
Seriously. I'd rather stay Mk3 only. I know there maybe other benefits of joining with the others but I think we would be disadvantaged in other ways.
Mk1 and 2 owners don't aknowledge me at all - they are seen as different cars.
just to add my 2 penneth worth!
we have a lovely website here, and the forum COULD NOT be any better. this club is PERFECT as it is.
when i log on to the site and go straight to the forums, there's just that cosy feeling with everybody being so nice, which is what makes this club so fantastic.
i fear that change may disturb things a little. I have never ever visited the IMOC or MR2OC or what ever they're called (in fact i dont even know the web address) as i have no interst in the ealier mk's what so ever.
this is the first time i have actually been a 'regular' posting member to a car club as the previous cars i have owned haven't had half the club this one has
*raises glass*
To MR2-ROC!
s:) :) s:)
Here Here!
To MR2ROC, long may she live and all who sail in her!!? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Poll Results from MR2OC
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Quote from: "Peter Wright"Poll Results from MR2OC
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Looks similar to our feedback
I tend to agree with a lot of what has gone before. I feel that the 'Roadster' owners should keep their identity. I could see a useful move being to have three specialist areas for the three marks. The mr2roc would then be THE Mk3 site and the others wouldn't be cluttered with Mk 3 info
In way of an update, I have had an email from the DC thanking us for our offer to attend talks - unfortunately though, we were the only club who were prepared to even talk about the proposals it seems, so this has pretty much killed the idea off I would have thought.
If anything changes, or the DC rethink the way thay want to go forward, then we shall look again at the possibilites. If I hear anything further I will let you all know.
I was just about to comment that I'm not in favour of a "group" club, but the last post (by slacey) may make my thoughts academic . At least ROC representatives were prepared to attend the meeting.
I resigned from MR2DC, because the membership fee of £28 wasn't worth just being able to access the forum and see technical posts for Mk1s and Mk2s. I asked a question on the DC forum about tyre choice in the MK3 section and didn't get a single response. Also, part of my subscription was helping to lease a car for KK. I believe most DC members weren't happy with that, but had to accept it as part of the cost of getting "cheaper" insurance. If DC do have a membership of 2,000 that's an income of nearly £60,000pa. Our Committee and a large proportion of the membership contribute in some way or other to enhance the benefits of "Our Club". We are not running a business needing to employ people and engage the services of Accountants, Solicitors etc etc.
I've had the Roadster for nearly four and a half years, so I doubt very much that I could contribute anything on a technical matter in respect of the 1s and 2s although I had a total of 6. I would imagine that a similar thing would apply in reverse. What would any other driver know about our cars?
As Comer said "If it ain't broke don't fix it"
s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D
Well, I feel boring just echoing what everyone else is saying but I may as well give my thoughts on the matter - especially if they could count toward a decision going one way or another. STAND AND BE COUNTED!
Keep MR2ROC as it is. That's pretty much my view in a nutshell. Why? because like many others here, I'm not interested in MK1/2 apart from I think they're cool cars. I don't own one though so I don't want to read about them.
I like the spirit in this club - it's really friendly. So friendly I'm thinking of arranging a meet at my place in the near future and I've only ever met some of you briefly at JAE! s:D :D s:D You're a bloody nice bunch.
I'd be happy to pay for membership but would like to see some real benefits in doing so. GB's are good here but some more generic deals like insurance offers or similar incentives would be nice. A magazine would also be good! With some of the owners cars featured? or even just the owners? We're all nosey b*stards who want to know more about each others lives I'm sure! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I've said enough anyway - I could rant for ages but won't. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Or modify it too much!
MR2ROC 4EVA!!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: (IMHO)
The need to say something
Im not the greatest member to post as you all can see due to the fact that my spelling isnt the best and my keyboad skills are just as bad.
But ive owned a mk2 and was a member of the DC club i didnt mind paying a membership, but with all the event We did go on not one made me and my partner fill very welcome it did make me fill like we were just
makeing up the numbers. it did some time seam like we were on a school outing, anyway that was a long time ago and now ive got a mk3 and long since bean a member of any car club. when i found this club i must say it is all you could ask from a club with the topicks that is coverd, alway get some kind of help when asked and when Liesl and i whent to JAE this year
it was great we were made welcome and found it easy to chat to over members and not just about cars. So job well done i think keep like minded people together cos im not to sure that mk2 and mk1 owners arnt realy intrested in the mk3.
As for the DC club i dont like there attitude they seam very clickey,
ive bean on a cupple of runes that were alganised by the mk1 club and imco were thay have invited any club member along which wernt bad
but last year there was a run to France that we were aksed to go along to
which we all meet up at the euro tunnel, when we got there i soon found out it was a DC club run and was aked if i was a club member which i anwserd no, a bit of a silace and was then told oh i dont think the other member will aprove of this to which i said it didnt seam to matter that you wernt member of the other club event that most of them went along to 2-3 week prior with that she stomped of, and being one of 3 mk3 there i found most of the mk2 owners proseded in telling me what they didnt like about the mk3, what a great day not.
So ROC is the club for me, may be there should be a poll set up to see what people think.
sorry about the spelling and the grammer s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Maxum – well said.
Nice one Maxum, spelling may not be 100% but the message is.
Emma said for me to put a post on from her! I can post two opinions as I represent a partnership!!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Anyway - she wants ROC to stay as it is. There's another "Aye" for MR2ROC!
Cheers all - Jono (& Emma)
Thought you would like to see what IMOC is thinking:-
Hi all,
Basically our poll on the MR2DC offer was concluded to the effect
that we should co-operate more with other clubs on organising events,
but keep a separate identity. I'm not going to say 'watch this
space' as it's just irritating when then nothing happens :¬) But
MR2OC peeps have already been in touch with us about this so
hopefully this will develop more in the future where we will have a
joint events 'page' as it were.
This 'separate identity' of IMOC is something that requires a bit
more investigation. For some weeks now we've been devising a poll to
end all polls :¬) Basically all that we can think to ask regarding
IMOC and what we want to do with it and where we want to go with it.
Thats all of us, not just any current 'admins'. I'm not saying it'll
be the last thing we'll ever ask you, or that we've thought of
everything any of you think should be asked - but it's a start and
will fashion the intermediate future of IMOC.
This poll is on the IMOC site rather than in Yahoogroups, to allow
access to our web users who are not registered on the list. The URL
is here:
m http://www.imoc.co.uk/poll/survey.asp (http://www.imoc.co.uk/poll/survey.asp) m
Please take a moment to vote, if IMOC is to continue in any form at
all then basically we have to have enough people wanting that to
happen. Please also take a moment to thank Aidy who has spent a
considerable amount of time and effort in organising the coding etc.
of the poll which has taken some time to sort. Note you have to be
an existing member on the IMOC site to vote.
We look forward to your answers. Any questions or anything that
isn't clear please do not hesitate to let us know at imoc-uk-
e
admin@yahoogroups.com e
Regards
Toni
imoc-uk-admin
I would tend to agree with the IMOC
Quotethat we should co-operate more with other clubs on organising events,
but keep a separate identity
That may work well, may be a Mr2 all clubs get to gether along the line of JAE once a year but with each club haveing some input to keep it fair.
The MK1 club with its open invite to all clubs like the Brighton run and the kentish run held for the last 2 years are fun to go along to
Quote from: "Jono & Emma"Well, I feel boring just echoing what everyone else is saying but I may as well give my thoughts on the matter - especially if they could count toward a decision going one way or another. STAND AND BE COUNTED!
Keep MR2ROC as it is. That's pretty much my view in a nutshell. Why? because like many others here, I'm not interested in MK1/2 apart from I think they're cool cars. I don't own one though so I don't want to read about them.
I like the spirit in this club - it's really friendly. So friendly I'm thinking of arranging a meet at my place in the near future and I've only ever met some of you briefly at JAE! s:D :D s:D You're a bloody nice bunch.
I'd be happy to pay for membership but would like to see some real benefits in doing so. GB's are good here but some more generic deals like insurance offers or similar incentives would be nice. A magazine would also be good! With some of the owners cars featured? or even just the owners? We're all nosey b*stards who want to know more about each others lives I'm sure! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I've said enough anyway - I could rant for ages but won't. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Or modify it too much!
MR2ROC 4EVA!!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: (IMHO)
Off topic drift, but if anyone wants to submit an article for inclusion on teh site please do so.
Although teh articles so far are of a technical nature thats just because thats what got written.
We'll be more than happy to includeother club/roadster relevant articles, on your online magazine :-) :-) :-)
This idea arose because of something happenning (or not happenning) in another club. Whatever. Somebody elsewhere has an agenda, perhaps they are full of good intent, or perhaps not. No matter. From my perspective it's all irrelevant.
MR2ROC does a fine job 'as is'. We have a good pool of collective experience and wide range of people of varying backgrounds that makes a fine online community. Time and again I've benefited personally as a result. So keep things as they are please!
I feel that now I have bought a MR2 I can post into this thread.
When I was looking to buy my MR2 recently I searched google for some time looking for information regarding the Mk3. I was pointed at various other MR2 noticeboards and found that they were no help to me. They had plenty of information on Mk1 & Mk2 but nothing on the Mk3. I was getting a bit bothered about it all and then I believe someone pointed me this way (sorry can't remember who).
This board is great there is a really nice atmosphere and everyone seems very friendly. I have read a lot of technical info on my new car and I intend to use this infomation to improve my motoring. s:) :) s:)
Please keep this board as is, it would be a real shame to lose it.
I have found this site to be one of the best I've seen for exchange of information in a very friendly manner. I'd miss it badly if it were to close s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
This is the only single marque forum that I've continued to read after selling the car in question. The S/N ratio is about right and it has a good mix of people. Admittedly I don't keep up to date / contribute as often as I used to but it's still nice to pop in once a week say and have a read.
As for it being absorbed by another club; I'm struggling to see any benefit. This club was formed because none of the other clubs offered anything for Mk3 owners. I'm not entirely sure that now the MR2ROC is established that we should now bolster their subs. Personally I'd rather give money to keeping this club going.
Not sure if my opinion matters much but I strongly disagree with the idea of the "superclub" for all the reasons mentioned. In my opinion, the MR2ROC is one of the best (if not the best) and it'd be a shame to reduce it to anything else, especially since there is no particularly good reason for doing so.
I really enjoy logging on to MR2-ROC. A superclub wouldn't have the "close knit" feeling of MR2-ROC, we all have the same passion for our cars. The meets I have attended have been great and I've met some very friendly people. One big club wouldn't have the same attraction and a lot of members would be lost.
I deffinately like it the way it is!
Oh, I really like this idea, whether it be as a magazine, or better an on-line format (probably a lot cheaper to do too!):
Quote from: "Jono & Emma"A magazine would also be good! With some of the owners cars featured? or even just the owners? We're all nosey b*stards who want to know more about each others lives I'm sure!
just received my November copy of the 'Log Book' (MR2DC monthly news letter) and it states " We have received a positive indication from the Roadster Owners Club"
As nearly all posts on this thread have been negative I assume this only refers to an agreement to talk further?
Quote from: "perry190"just received my November copy of the 'Log Book' (MR2DC monthly news letter) and it states " We have received a positive indication from the Roadster Owners Club"
As nearly all posts on this thread have been negative I assume this only refers to an agreement to talk further?
Correct. While it appears others are closed to even talking with MR2DC, the committee felt it at least worth while opening communication and seeing what possibilites (if any) are available.
Yes, that comment of theirs is a bit misleading. I did send notice of our willingness to talk, but that was as far as it went at this point.
there does appear to be a little spin in teh way teh logbook is being worded lately, rest assured we've noted your comments and there will be no rash decisions
I hope the club stays as it is. I am only interested in the Mk3:)
Quote from: "a_fly_guy"I hope the club stays as it is. I am only interested in the Mk3:)
Just as an update on the situation, I have had no further contact from the DC at all, so I would be led to believe they have given up on the idea, so for the forseeable future, MK3 only we will be.
Maybe we should wait until the Mk.IV comes out, then maybe we will consider joining up with the OC.
Until then I feel that there really isn't that much in common between the MkII and III. In fact, we probably have a lot more in common with other "light weight sports cars" like the Lotus Elise or the MX-5 s:) :) s:)
Having just said that, we do have a lot in common with the Mk I....
D'oh! cannot make my mind up!