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Title: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: nickthedinosaur on June 23, 2014, 23:19
Honestly I've looked EVERYWHERE for a second hand one and really can't justify spending £250 on a new one  s:( :( s:(  

I'm at a loss now
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Treboeth on June 23, 2014, 23:27
Have you tried Mattperformance in the Affiliates section?
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: nickthedinosaur on June 24, 2014, 12:50
yeah mate, no response as of yet  s:( :( s:(  might have a chance of one from the silver breaker in the sales section though *fingers crossed*
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: wotugonado on June 24, 2014, 16:05
There was one on ebay the other day.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: moorx on June 24, 2014, 16:25
Is this one?   s:?: :?: s:?:  

 m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-MR2-Ro ... 2ed3570567 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-MR2-Roadster-1-8vvti-Lower-Steering-Joint-/201114191207?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AMR+2&hash=item2ed3570567) m
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: nickthedinosaur on June 24, 2014, 22:36
it is yeah, I noticed it a couple of hours after posting on the silver breaker thread.  Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: nickthedinosaur on July 3, 2014, 22:11
Just changed the UJ over and its like a completely different car, i think the one that i took off was like a weird frankenstein half oem/half home fabricated thing   s:? :? s:?   do you reckon mattperformance will still want it for refurb??

cheers guys!
Foxy -   s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:   thanks for selling me it in the first place!
Les - awesome guide for changing!
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: StuC on July 4, 2014, 00:51
Welcome to the club Nick  s;-) ;-) s;-)

Now you get to enjoy your 2!!  s8) 8) s8)
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Treboeth on July 4, 2014, 01:08
Glad you got it sorted , better post up some pics someone may recognise it:D
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: nickthedinosaur on July 4, 2014, 09:35
Heres the cheeky bodge job :p

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/nicktheprick/IMG_1131.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/nicktheprick/media/IMG_1131.jpg.html)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/nicktheprick/IMG_1132.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/nicktheprick/media/IMG_1132.jpg.html)

and Here's the 2 in all of its glory  s:) :) s:)  
It's going to need a bit of TLC but over time I think I'll get there.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/nicktheprick/IMG_1021.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/nicktheprick/media/IMG_1021.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: foxy-stoat on July 4, 2014, 12:15
Am sure that repair did the job when fitted, and a lot cheaper than buying new.

Glad its all fixed with genuine parts now though   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: bluesmoke on July 4, 2014, 14:36
How do you know if you need one of these replacing? While I have two MR-S's on the drive I'd definitely like to be sure I've got the best UJ on the one I'm building.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: foxy-stoat on July 4, 2014, 14:44
Grab hold of the U joint after removing the spare wheel plastic and get some one to rock the wheel from side to side.  You will be able to feel if there is any play.  Similarly do the same to the U joints inside the car.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: bluesmoke on July 4, 2014, 15:03
Right. I will give that a try. But will it be obvious there's something wrong if you've never done this before?
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: foxy-stoat on July 4, 2014, 15:14
You will feel play from the joint, ie the steering wheel turns from one direction to the other but the play in the joint means the rack doesn't move with the wheel.  You will soon know if its good or bad.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: bluesmoke on July 4, 2014, 16:00
Ah OK that makes sense. Thanks matey.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: nickthedinosaur on July 7, 2014, 15:57
you'll notice it's extremely easy to turn the top part of the UJ slightly from in the frunk (the bit eventually attached to the steering wheel), obviously without the wheels moving... unless you have an uber strong thumb and index finger!!!
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: nickthedinosaur on July 7, 2014, 15:59
Quote from: "foxy-stoat"Am sure that repair did the job when fitted, and a lot cheaper than buying new.

Glad its all fixed with genuine parts now though   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Totally sorted spot on dude, so glad. and I can sleep easy knowing it won't go wrong in a hurry!
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Standard on January 31, 2017, 18:54
Arise from the thy ashes thread!

Anyone know where I can get a quality Lower UJ at a good price?
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: jonty on January 31, 2017, 19:10
TCB Parts, you have to phone and order but they'll have it with you in a day or two. It's around £100 and seems decent quality
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: JoeCool on January 31, 2017, 19:31
They are out of stock right now but he posted this week stating he hopes to have them back in ASAP - there's a delivery on the way I believe.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Essex2Visuvesi on January 31, 2017, 20:26
Am I allowed to mention the "Scottish breaker"
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: shnazzle on January 31, 2017, 22:11
Scottish? You mean Dick?
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Essex2Visuvesi on January 31, 2017, 23:04
Quote from: "shnazzle"Scottish? You mean Dick?

Indeedy
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: shnazzle on February 1, 2017, 00:01
Trusted breaker. Contact details are in the appropriate section in Marketplace  s:) :) s:)
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: mulaz on February 1, 2017, 07:37
I fitted a pattern Chinese lower knuckle after my original started to seize up on my 2004 car
it's Ok but not exactly the same as a Toyota item or as well made. you will have to have your steering alignment reset as the splines are slightly off.

i wasted hours trying every combination moving bottom knuckle  then top knuckle and steering wheel without success

i would get a price to have my old unit repaired if possible , its not a DIY fix as i tried with a few spare units donated by Dick Sloan.. place near me in Gateshead
may be able to repair them  m http://www.cpsdrivelink.co.uk/ (http://www.cpsdrivelink.co.uk/) m

Also check the bulkhead boot for the steering as mine was perished and worn and it's a ideal time to replace at the same time
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Jon_G on February 1, 2017, 08:32
I also need a replacement lower UJ and I've been waiting for TCB to get these in stock (they originally told me that would be December/January).

Not cheap at well over £100 with the delivery and VAT, but can anyone who's had one confirm that these TCB pattern ones are any good?

Has anyone managed to get one refurbished by an engineering company?
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: spit on February 1, 2017, 09:27
Quote from: "Jon_G"Has anyone managed to get one refurbished by an engineering company?

Yes.

One of our old affiliates had scrappered steering joints rebuilt which he sold to members in the £80-£100 range. Sorry, I don't recall who did them for him.

I had mine revived a couple of years ago by a chap who refurbs UJs from a small workshop out in the countryside. Known locally as Mr Propshaft. For around £40 it was a much better option than buying some time from a 2nd-hand part. He said he'd be happy to take on the odd one here and there but he didn't fancy being swamped with orders from ROC so I kept quiet about it!

Have a look locally for propshaft engineers - I'm sure you'll find someone who can rework your old joint.

As for the TCB pattern price, I'd say its reasonable. The joint isn't just a simple shaft-UJ-shaft affair - the upper half is engineered into a pretty hefty bush to create a cushioned soft-joint.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Standard on February 1, 2017, 09:37
The steering went heavy about a 9 months ago when I was in Newquay. I gingerly drove back and gave it a good dose of WD40 and it worked a treat... so much so I pretty much forgot about. I was checking all the fluids on the drive the other day and went to pull off and it was extremely heavy.

I gave it a liberal squirt of lube again and while it has improved a little I'm far from confident now. Saying that I'm probably lucky that I managed to do around 5k on my last 'fix'.

What tools do you need to do this yourself?
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: spit on February 1, 2017, 09:47
I reckon any engineer with a press and an appropriate staking tool could comfortably take these on.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Jon_G on February 1, 2017, 10:02
Quote from: "spit"
Quote from: "Jon_G"Has anyone managed to get one refurbished by an engineering company?

Yes.

One of our old affiliates had scrappered steering joints rebuilt which he sold to members in the £80-£100 range. Sorry, I don't recall who did them for him.

I had mine revived a couple of years ago by a chap who refurbs UJs from a small workshop out in the countryside. Known locally as Mr Propshaft. For around £40 it was a much better option than buying some time from a 2nd-hand part. He said he'd be happy to take on the odd one here and there but he didn't fancy being swamped with orders from ROC so I kept quiet about it!

Have a look locally for propshaft engineers - I'm sure you'll find someone who can rework your old joint.

As for the TCB pattern price, I'd say its reasonable. The joint isn't just a simple shaft-UJ-shaft affair - the upper half is engineered into a pretty hefty bush to create a cushioned soft-joint.
Thanks for the full reply! I like the idea of having the original part refurbished with a new UJ, but obviously the car would then be off the road for a while (I don't much want to fork out for a worn secondhand one along the way).

I'm still concerned about how faithfully the TCB item will match the original and would welcome a review from anyone who's had one.

Genuine ones seem to be available from eBay far cheaper than from Toyota... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-GENUINE-TOYOTA-MR2-MR-2-MR-S-ROADSTER-STEERING-SHAFT-UJ-45260-17141-/321747692049?fits=Model%3AMR+2&hash=item4ae9a82a11:g:YD0AAOSwpDdVSjvm
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Jon_G on February 1, 2017, 10:08
Quote from: "Standard"The steering went heavy about a 9 months ago when I was in Newquay. I gingerly drove back and gave it a good dose of WD40 and it worked a treat... so much so I pretty much forgot about. I was checking all the fluids on the drive the other day and went to pull off and it was extremely heavy.

I gave it a liberal squirt of lube again and while it has improved a little I'm far from confident now. Saying that I'm probably lucky that I managed to do around 5k on my last 'fix'.

What tools do you need to do this yourself?
I've had to free mine off twice in the last 6 months. The last time I also packed a big handful of grease around the UJ, which seems to have kept it free, but I know it'll probably tighten up again. Interestingly there is no free play in any orientation, just a general tightness.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: mulaz on February 1, 2017, 10:21
The needle rollers inside the bearings rust up and no amounts of grease WD40 or any magic will fix them.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: mulaz on February 1, 2017, 10:41
This shows the rust inside
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: spit on February 1, 2017, 10:58
Wow. Totally fubarred!

Quote from: "Jon_G"..... obviously the car would then be off the road for a while (I don't much want to fork out for a worn secondhand one along the way).

Our affiliate sold outright rather than on exchange so there's a chance that any member who bought one could have their old one knocking around. Borrow one for refurb you'll be free to tootle around without any downtime. For the price of postage its worth asking.

As for your EBay find, if you're satisfied that its genuine OEM its a great deal at that price. The heritage of the company looks decent. If it wasn't for Mr Propshaft (which is probably not his real name!) I would have been going for something like that.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Jon_G on February 1, 2017, 13:13
Quote from: "spit"Wow. Totally fubarred!

Quote from: "Jon_G"..... obviously the car would then be off the road for a while (I don't much want to fork out for a worn secondhand one along the way).

Our affiliate sold outright rather than on exchange so there's a chance that any member who bought one could have their old one knocking around. Borrow one for refurb you'll be free to tootle around without any downtime. For the price of postage its worth asking.

As for your EBay find, if you're satisfied that its genuine OEM its a great deal at that price. The heritage of the company looks decent. If it wasn't for Mr Propshaft (which is probably not his real name!) I would have been going for something like that.
Cheers
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: JoeCool on February 1, 2017, 15:36
Quote from: "Jon_G"Thanks for the full reply! I like the idea of having the original part refurbished with a new UJ, but obviously the car would then be off the road for a while (I don't much want to fork out for a worn secondhand one along the way).

I'm still concerned about how faithfully the TCB item will match the original and would welcome a review from anyone who's had one.

Genuine ones seem to be available from eBay far cheaper than from Toyota... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-GENUINE-TOYOTA-MR2-MR-2-MR-S-ROADSTER-STEERING-SHAFT-UJ-45260-17141-/321747692049?fits=Model%3AMR+2&hash=item4ae9a82a11:g:YD0AAOSwpDdVSjvm

I have a TCB Universal Joint.

It is functionally and physically identical with 1 small exception: The original has a rubber union/bush where the shaft enters the top of the UJ collet, The TCB part does not. I could not detect any difference at all in driving feel (other than the replacement not trying to kill me all the time).

Car being off the road? Yeah, for a couple of hours whilst you fit it. It's dead easy. Write up here:

 l viewtopic.php?f=88&t=56768 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=56768) l
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Standard on February 1, 2017, 18:52
Quote from: "Jon_G"
Quote from: "Standard"The steering went heavy about a 9 months ago when I was in Newquay. I gingerly drove back and gave it a good dose of WD40 and it worked a treat... so much so I pretty much forgot about. I was checking all the fluids on the drive the other day and went to pull off and it was extremely heavy.

I gave it a liberal squirt of lube again and while it has improved a little I'm far from confident now. Saying that I'm probably lucky that I managed to do around 5k on my last 'fix'.

What tools do you need to do this yourself?
I've had to free mine off twice in the last 6 months. The last time I also packed a big handful of grease around the UJ, which seems to have kept it free, but I know it'll probably tighten up again. Interestingly there is no free play in any orientation, just a general tightness.

Mines the same, feels really tight, no play at all.

It's just really heavy now (but probably exaggerated by my smaller steering wheel) I can only describe it as the shaft feels egg shaped instead of round.
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Jon_G on February 1, 2017, 19:25
Having seen mulaz's photo I'm now worried about the possibility of a sudden and catastrophic seizure...
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: mulaz on February 1, 2017, 19:46
i can assure people that the knuckle joint will not suddenly fail
The 1st instance is heavy steering and the steering will stop self centring when cornering as the needle rollers start seizing up with the rust
you may keep it going for a few weeks with WD40 but start thinking about changing it for a new unit.
if left until the bearing start collapsing you will still have steering but i recon it will have the feel of a old tractor when cornering but get you home
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: Standard on February 16, 2017, 09:09
Just got off the phone with TCB and they said they now have a healthy stock of UJ's in now.   s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Title: Re: Somebody PLEASE sell me a lower steering u-joint x
Post by: cabbydave on February 16, 2017, 12:21
Patrick Chambers has new Toyota ones for 120 posted