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The Workshop => Maintenance, Problems & Troubleshooting => Topic started by: darkstar on May 24, 2017, 15:31

Title: Oil burning advice
Post by: darkstar on May 24, 2017, 15:31
Hi
mine is 2002 model 102k mileage, recently when done MOT they said just passed, with exhaust gasses
Also i have done oil service in April and now after 2000 miles oil pressure low indication came and when checked with dipstick, no oil on dipstick
Topped up, but my doubt is , whether my car burning oil? also i can see good amount of smoke when cold start
anybody good samaritans near berskhire, as if go to local garage they say all nonsense.
any advices and suggestions please
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: Carolyn on May 24, 2017, 15:40
Time for a rebuild.  That was very low, for the light to come on.

How are you on the spanners?

Thinking about it... perhaps keep an eye on the oil on a weekly basis, or set one of your trip meters and check every 200 miles.  A litre per 1,000 miles ain't too bad for one of these with that mileage.

Then you can decide how bad it is.  If it's not too bad - keep topping her up and enjoy the summer.
Title: Oil burning advice
Post by: smarty72 on May 24, 2017, 16:47
A few questions spring to mind...

Your first post was only around six weeks ago, was this when you bought the car?

If so, have you been regularly checking the oil usage within that period?

Around a month ago you posted 'just serviced'.  Assuming the oil was changed and then filled to the max mark on the dipstick, how many miles have you covered since then?  As you may already be able to answer Carolyn's query with regard to ascertaining how much oil it's using.

Was there any knocking from the engine which accompanied the oil low pressure light?

Looks as though the previous owner may have palmed off an oil-burner on an unsuspecting buyer (I'm not a big believer of coincidences!)
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: darkstar on May 24, 2017, 17:56
There was no engine knocking, luckily while going to work i just saw , oil low pressure blinked for 10 sec and gone, i carried on to office and came back total 80 miles, i do every day 80 miles.  As you mentioned , yes in April i did service with full oil change. yesterday i topped up about two liters
Last year i did service same time in april and carried on till Feb, when i sound strange noise coming from behind , then garage found no oil in engine, luckily not ceased.
But this time it happened too quick.
Also i bought this car two years ago and keep posting in different areas on this forum
i'm bit worried whether i should change the engine? and what gurantee  is that second hand engine would be better.
if this has to be rebuild, I'm not a mechanic, but somebody can help me that would be great, as i love this car ,don't want to loose.
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: Carolyn on May 24, 2017, 18:37
After that abuse, only a rebuild will do. Drove 80 miles after the oil light came on???????

I'm the person that helps our lot through rebuilds.  I can't keep on rebuilding engines for next to nothing, I'm afraid.

Any used engine will be a lottery as the breakers can't know what the oil consumption might be.  A used engine goes for about £450.  You could buy one, but then you've got to get the old engine out and the new one in.  Might as well rebuild the one you've got...  

You need to find a local mechanic who can do the work.... budget £800 - £1,000.  I can assist with parts sourcing and advice.
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: ilovejapcrap on May 24, 2017, 22:47
This seems such a common issue I'm surprised someone hands on has not purchased a few second hand engines and does an exchange program for rebuilt engines TBH.
Title: Oil burning advice
Post by: jonbill on May 24, 2017, 23:04
I think you'd have to be charging maybe £1500 to supply and fit a rebuilt exchange engine, prob more.  How many would pay that on their £1500 car?

This is prob as good as it gets for a rebuilt exchange engine:
 m https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172317808499 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172317808499) m
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: Carolyn on May 25, 2017, 09:35
Quote from: "jonbill"I think you'd have to be charging maybe £1500 to supply and fit a rebuilt exchange engine, probably more.  How many would pay that on their £1500 car?

This is probably as good as it gets for a rebuilt exchange engine:
 m https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172317808499 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172317808499) m

And that's a rock-bottom price.  This is a job you need to do yourself, if it's to make economic sense.  Unfortunately most people have neither the space nor the kit.
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: darkstar on May 25, 2017, 10:52
May be i have to stop putting more mileage and look for engine replacement. TBH, i get smoke only when cold start, it is normal level , once engine reaches normal temperature, it is fine. no heavy smoke and engine runs very smooth, I'm only worried as my oil has got burned so quickly.
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: Carolyn on May 25, 2017, 13:09
Keep a regular eye on the consumption and keep it topped up.  Low oil and a vigorous right-handed bend = rod rattle.  Anything better than 1Ltr/500 miles, you can live with for a long time.
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: darkstar on May 25, 2017, 13:26
thanks carolyn for the advice.
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: ilovejapcrap on May 25, 2017, 16:59
Quote from: "jonbill"I think you'd have to be charging maybe £1500 to supply and fit a rebuilt exchange engine, probably more.  How many would pay that on their £1500 car?

This is probably as good as it gets for a rebuilt exchange engine:
 m https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172317808499 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172317808499) m


that to be fair is not a bad price I gave 500 quid for mine so with that it would stand me at 1500 which is about its market value when you consider it may cost me what 500 quid by time I'm done to build myself I don't think its that bad I suppose. its just having the money to do it.

How would you know its a 140 bhp engine and not less out of curiosity ?
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: ilovejapcrap on May 25, 2017, 17:02
just seen not in this country so postage pushes it up !!
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: lamcote on May 25, 2017, 17:08
I think (not absolutely certain though) that the low power 1zzs were the pre vvti ones, there were some small differences even with vvti but if you get one that has vvti you should have c.135bhp-140bhp.
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: The Other Stu on May 25, 2017, 23:02
I could be very unpopular here, but Dick on Facebook has a lower mileage 06 engine with the new pistons that he's looking to get rid of for considerably less than a rebuild would cost you and is offering warranty on it.....
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: Carolyn on May 26, 2017, 06:30
Quote from: "The Other Stu"I could be very unpopular here, but Dick on Facebook has a lower mileage 06 engine with the new pistons that he's looking to get rid of for considerably less than a rebuild would cost you and is offering warranty on it.....

That sounds like a good (and rare) opportunity for someone who's not up for the rebuild job.
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: ChrisGB on May 26, 2017, 08:04
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Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: carolineasb on May 26, 2017, 08:41
Hope not the one that was cooked by the last owner lol?
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: ilovejapcrap on May 26, 2017, 21:49
Quote from: "ChrisGB"http://mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=60182


Wow he breaks a lot of mr2 amazed any left !

Save a couple pal lol
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: carolineasb on May 27, 2017, 09:19
Dick is not the only person doing this in the UK. The "dead" 2s do keep other 2s alive and kicking!
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: darkstar on May 30, 2017, 21:52
Quote from: "The Other Stu"I could be very unpopular here, but Dick on Facebook has a lower mileage 06 engine with the new pistons that he's looking to get rid of for considerably less than a rebuild would cost you and is offering warranty on it.....

I contacted Dick, he says he got s reg 94k engine . where did u see that he has 06 engine?
i think i have to replace my engine. but want to make sure it is not oil burner.
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: darkstar on May 30, 2017, 21:57
I've decided to replace engine, any suggestion of a good fitter near  my area (berkshire), as going to local guys is waste of money, if they are not experts in this.
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: The Other Stu on May 30, 2017, 22:56
Quote from: "darkstar"
Quote from: "The Other Stu"I could be very unpopular here, but Dick on Facebook has a lower mileage 06 engine with the new pistons that he's looking to get rid of for considerably less than a rebuild would cost you and is offering warranty on it.....

I contacted Dick, he says he got s reg 94k engine . where did u see that he has 06 engine?
i think i have to replace my engine. but want to make sure it is not oil burner.
Interesting, it was definitely on Facebook, because I asked him a question about it.
He's obviously removed the post as he was probably asked about it (or maybe he found something wrong with it - as he said, he was offering warranty).
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: carolineasb on May 31, 2017, 14:41
Dick did have a low mileage 06 engine but the owner had decided to keep driving with a leaking rad and, of course, ended up cooking the engine! He had photos on fb and head was warped. Possibly, he thought it was ok before opening it up?
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: The Other Stu on May 31, 2017, 14:59
Ah, that'll be why the post disappeared!
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: Carolyn on May 31, 2017, 15:03
Dean at Rutland MR2 has quite a few engines, but it's a crap-shoot what you get as he can't drive them all far enough to know what's an oil burner and what's not.  You could go for one and get lucky....or not.
I'm swapping my engine out right now (have rebuilt the original one that I took out a year ago).  The one coming out is a low mileage late 04 engine, goes through a litre of oil every 650 miles!  I'ts been reliable and has run just fine.  Just finally got peed off enough with it to get motivated.

Swapping the engines is hard work,.  The rebuilding is pure pleasure!
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: ilovejapcrap on May 31, 2017, 21:49
Quote from: "Carolyn"Dean at Rutland MR2 has quite a few engines, but it's a crap-shoot what you get as he can't drive them all far enough to know what's an oil burner and what's not.  You could go for one and get lucky....or not.
I'm swapping my engine out right now (have rebuilt the original one that I took out a year ago).  The one coming out is a low mileage late 04 engine, goes through a litre of oil every 650 miles!  I'ts been reliable and has run just fine.  Just finally got peed off enough with it to get motivated.

Swapping the engines is hard work,.  The rebuilding is pure pleasure!

An 04 according to all the myths they should be ok no ?.

What you doing with old engine ? Rebuild and selling. Let me know lol
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: Carolyn on June 1, 2017, 07:05
Yes the 'face-lift engines don't have the problem' is a myth, they've got exactly the same oil holes in the pistons.  Old  engine will be rebuilt, wrapped up and stashed.  I like having a spare ready to go.
I noticed you asked about MAG stuff.  I've used their pistons (big improvement on originals) and a couple of other bits. Jvanzyl got their timing chain kit, which seemed fine (no rough edges) but I was not impressed by the chain tensioner.  That kit does not seem to include new head bolts (which are a must).
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: darkstar on June 1, 2017, 14:25
any idea how these guys are i found two on eBay  supply and fit
 m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOYOTA-CELICA ... Sw9N1V1Ytr (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOYOTA-CELICA-AVENSIS-1-8-FULLY-RECONDITIONED-ENGINE-SUPPLY-AND-FIT-/221858580187?fits=Model%3AMR+2&hash=item33a7cd46db:g:aloAAOSw9N1V1Ytr) m

 m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOYOTA-MR-S-M ... SwGtRXyw94 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOYOTA-MR-S-MR2-ENGINE-1-8-VVTI-1ZZ-FE-2000-06-SUPPLY-AND-FIT-/222397246483?hash=item33c7e8ac13:g:0rkAAOSwGtRXyw94) m

I spoke to the second guy in birmigham, anybody have any idea , how these are?
Title: Re: Oil burning advice
Post by: ilovejapcrap on June 1, 2017, 15:08
Yeah I've looked at them too darkstar.

The issue is your I'm assumptions no just getting another mr2 engine with same fault due to pistons.

As Carolyn said her 04 plate engine has them.

I think way toward is getting engine out of car

Then s rebuild ( once engines out you may get a m cha if to do it fairly cheap as that's more of a pain then working on just engine)