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Title: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 17, 2017, 17:39
Hi, I have a 2005 MR2 and the roof will only go about half way down before it feels like its jamming on something. I've checked the buckets and can't see anything that would be causing this. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: paulj on November 17, 2017, 17:45
The edge of the roof which goes around the window frames has a wire in it.  If the roof is properly up the wire sits in a groove but can get stuck in the groove and stop you folding down, have a check of this.

Is the parcel shelf free, as this drops with a roof drop?

The manual says to open the roof from outside the car, if you are doing it from the drivers seat it can twist and catch.
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 17, 2017, 17:58
The parcel shelf drops ok, but it seems to be the window that isn't dropping. It feels like something is stopping it but I can't seem to find what it is.
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 17, 2017, 17:59
I'll have a look for the wire you're talking about
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 17, 2017, 18:11
I had a look and still can't see anything
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Call the midlife! on November 17, 2017, 18:47
Are you "helping" the window to drop down flat in its recess? If you don't push it in it can stop the roof settling.


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Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Justin.D on November 17, 2017, 18:57
Quote from: "Call the midlife!"Are you "helping" the window to drop down flat in its recess? If you don't push it in it can stop the roof settling.


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+1
But could also be the strap for the 'ears'. Mine got caught around the frame stopping me raising the roof earlier this year
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: onion86 on November 17, 2017, 19:08
Also probably not helped by the cold weather, may have also been a while since the roof was treated. If all else fails try heating it by putting your heaters on full blast and see if it plays ball then (along with the above - the main thing being helping the window down).
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Carolyn on November 17, 2017, 19:13
+1
When it's cold it all gets stiff.  So the window doesn't drop on its own, the wires don't pop out of their channels and the vinyl doesn't want to bend.
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Call the midlife! on November 17, 2017, 19:14
Quote from: "onion86"Also probably not helped by the cold weather, may have also been a while since the roof was treated. If all else fails try heating it by putting your heaters on full blast and see if it plays ball then (along with the above - the main thing being helping the window down).
I've got the reverse of this to look forward to over the weekend, the roof has been down in the garage since last Sunday while I've been fiddling around on an evening.
I'll have to heat the garage for a while to soften it up [emoji23]


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Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 17, 2017, 19:22
I have tried helping the window go down flat but it really seems like something at the sides is physically stopping the roof from folding down. I try and push it a little and its pushing back. It feels like it could be a strap or something caught but I just can't see anything. It's starting to really frustrate me now!
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Carolyn on November 17, 2017, 19:32
There is a channel on the curve of the roof over the window, on each side.  There is a stiffening wire inside the edge of the vinyl that fits into the channel as the roof goes up.  It needs to pop out of the channel for the roof to go down.  If it's all stiff it might need a little help on both sides of the car. Do it bit by bit. Don't let it get to you, it's only a thing...
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: keeper2611 on November 17, 2017, 19:39
As has been said above, the cold weather will not help. Let the car idle with the heater on full blast for about 15 minutes then try to gently push it down. My new roof was stiff to put down today until I'd warmed it up a bit.
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 17, 2017, 19:50
Ok guys, I'll try to keep calm and carry on! Lol Many thanks, I appreciate the assistance! I'll try and locate the wires you're referring too and also heat the car up
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 18, 2017, 07:27
When you say the wire may need a little help, do you mean use a pair of pliers and pull at it gently to encourage it?
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Carolyn on November 18, 2017, 09:27
You should be able to do it just with fingers.  Here's a couple of pics.  Remember:  Get it well warm.  Push the rear window down, make sure the wires are leaving their channels.  Talk sweetly and nicely to it.
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 18, 2017, 15:48
I had another go and it worked! Thanks all!
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: paulj on November 18, 2017, 17:35
Well done for getting the roof down.  It doesn't end there though!

When you put the roof back up make sure the wires are seated in the grooves, they need a bit of persuasion especially when it is cold.

(go for a drive before you put the roof back up!!!!)
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 20, 2017, 09:11
Lol thanks Paulj, roof seemed to go up ok again! I actually had the car at a garage getting the O2 sensors changed and I asked the guy there about the roof too. He thought that it was probably just stiff from the age and recommended treating it to soften it up a bit again.
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Call the midlife! on November 20, 2017, 09:31
To be honest there's very little you can do with vinyl once it's of a certain age, you can't put back what the elements take out over time. It's more a case of care and attention when lowering/raising it and applying a top dressing when it needs it. The only thing that "softens" them is heat, either from the car's heater or the big, firey ball in the sky...


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Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 20, 2017, 21:38
Thanks call the midwife! I may consider a new top in the summer. A company quoted me £520 to do it. Unfortunately I'm in Northern Ireland and don't have a huge amount of businesses to choose from!
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Call the midlife! on November 20, 2017, 21:57
Quote from: "michaelb"Thanks call the midwife! I may consider a new top in the summer. A company quoted me £520 to do it. Unfortunately I'm in Northern Ireland and don't have a huge amount of businesses to choose from!
No worries, if there's nothing actually "wrong" with your roof, doesn't leak etc then it's probably just a case of inexperience. And that's not me being snide, I got mine on the road 1st March this year and when I viewed it a fortnight earlier the roof wouldn't go down before I took it for a test drive. I thought the seller was trying to have me over but once the heater had warmed the cabin up it went down sweet. And on a sunny day they're very supple, just need a bit of guiding, although I've been behind people in convoys that have just dropped theirs at traffic lights without leaving the driving seat!
My geography isn't the best but there's a trimmer called Jack in Swansea will fit you a new cloth roof for around £300, lots of folk on here have them.


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Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 20, 2017, 22:02
I had a mk3 mr2 in 2000 when I was a student and had to sell it as it wasn't practical enough. I decided 2 weekends ago that I wanted one again so I got one for the weekends. My one in 2000 just practically fell down when I opened it but I was aware that in the winter it could need a bit of persuasion. I roof itself is solid, no tears, stains or leaks but it does require quite a bit of work to get it down now. I'd have to get a boat over the Irish Sea to Swansea! Lol
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Call the midlife! on November 20, 2017, 22:09
Quote from: "michaelb"I had a mk3 mr2 in 2000 when I was a student and had to sell it as it wasn't practical enough. I decided 2 weekends ago that I wanted one again so I got one for the weekends. My one in 2000 just practically fell down when I opened it but I was aware that in the winter it could need a bit of persuasion. I roof itself is solid, no tears, stains or leaks but it does require quite a bit of work to get it down now. I'd have to get a boat over the Irish Sea to Swansea! Lol
Yeah I just wasn't sure how big a boat trip it was, price wise, in case it was more cost effective or gave more scope for a new roof in the saucy colour of your choice. As long as it's one of Jack's colours obviously [emoji23]


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Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 20, 2017, 22:12
They hold you to randsom on the boat! It would probably cost me several hundred for the trip and if you factor in the time, it would probably work out cheaper with the company here
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Call the midlife! on November 20, 2017, 22:16
Quote from: "michaelb"They hold you to randsom on the boat! It would probably cost me several hundred for the trip and if you factor in the time, it would probably work out cheaper with the company here
Fairy snuff, it's the opposite side of the country to me but at least I could do it there and back in a day!


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Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Treboeth on November 20, 2017, 22:23
Quote from: "michaelb"They hold you to randsom on the boat! It would probably cost me several hundred for the trip and if you factor in the time, it would probably work out cheaper with the company here
Missing out on a trip to Swansea though   s:( :( s:(
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 20, 2017, 22:24
This is very true!!
Title: Roof won't go down
Post by: Call the midlife! on November 20, 2017, 22:26
Quote from: "michaelb"I had a mk3 mr2 in 2000 when I was a student and had to sell it as it wasn't practical enough. I decided 2 weekends ago that I wanted one again so I got one for the weekends. My one in 2000 just practically fell down when I opened it but I was aware that in the winter it could need a bit of persuasion. I roof itself is solid, no tears, stains or leaks but it does require quite a bit of work to get it down now. I'd have to get a boat over the Irish Sea to Swansea! Lol
Just re reading this, if you had one in 2000 then it would've been 2 years old at the most? Not knowing what you have now but if it's the original roof then it's at least 11 years old so that probably explains the difference between your experiences [emoji2]
I know I don't bend as easily as I did in my thirties!


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Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: michaelb on November 20, 2017, 22:36
You're right! The one I had years ago was only a year old when I bought it and the one I bought recently is a 2005, so it's 12 years old!
Title: Re: Roof won't go down
Post by: Call the midlife! on November 20, 2017, 22:37
Quote from: "michaelb"You're right! The one I had years ago was only a year old when I bought it and the one I bought recently is a 2005, so it's 12 years old!
Mine's 17 in a few weeks time [emoji2]


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