. Hi, folks. I need to replace all 4 tyres. Has anyone any experience with Landsail tyres. Half the cost of Bridgestone 040s, but is this a case of you get what you pay for, are is this newish Chinese manufactured product a bargain. Help, please.
Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on March 29, 2018, 12:17
. Hi, folks. I need to replace all 4 tyres. Has anyone any experience with Landsail tyres. Half the cost of Bridgestone 040s, but is this a case of you get what you pay for, are is this newish Chinese manufactured product a bargain. Help, please.
No experience but they are going to be cheap for a reason the tyres on our cars are an important choice and IMO you can't scrimp in that department IMO
You may find very little sympathy on here for use of cheap tyres. That's not because we're snobs or purists but because we have seen what cheap tyres can lead to on these cars.
Toyo T1-Rs are very cheap for what you get back.
Let's keep you safe :)
A quick bit of googling suggests Landsail aren't actually a manufacturer but get there products manufactured wherever suits them, which I imagine is the case with others but doesn't instil confidence in quality control etc.
As Shnazzle suggests Toyos are good for the money as long as you treat them right, or Falken, Nankang. A quick search of recent topics on here should find you something for your budget without having to risk untested brands.
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They're poor I'm afraid. My missus had to get one in an emergency, and within about 2 months it needed replacing as it wore very quickly, and was very noisy iirc
These cars need decent tyres, don't short-change yourself.
As above Toyo Falken Nankang all decent tyres.
They are the only contact your car has with the road.
Tyres and brakes are the last item to scrimp on.
Toyo, Kumho and Falkens can all be found for good money by searching the internet. I've used Camskills & Tyreleaders and rate them both highly for VFM tyres. When i was looking for some tyres for my Touareg Demon Tweeks for Toyos were the cheapest. A bit of time on a computer searching the internet is worth it.
Ehh?? I was told to stay well clear of Nankangs as they are completely terrible :-\
I remember when Nankangs were the cheapest of the cheap budget tyre and everyone stayed well clear of them.
Well there's budget and intermediate in all brands, there's at least one well informed member on here who swears by them.
At the end of the day it's down to matching performance to limitations, I'm on T1Rs and they're way better than the mixed bag of ditchfinders that were on it when I bought it but push them wrong and they'll suffer for it.
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I was very happy with the falkens I had.
You won't regret buying Toyo T1 R's, they aren't expensive and they work well. There are better more expensive tyres out there, but for most people they exceed the requirement.
Thanks for your rapid advice, which confirms my fears about going cheap. There's quite a lot of support for Toyo TIRs, but some folks report them being very weight sensitive, such that they chose to remove their hard top. What do you think about this aspect?
Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on March 29, 2018, 20:50
Thanks for your rapid advice, which confirms my fears about going cheap. There's quite a lot of support for Toyo TIRs, but some folks report them being very weight sensitive, such that they chose to remove their hard top. What do you think about this aspect?
The side walls are not as hard as some. Speaking personally, I have a heavier engine and a hard top. The tyres are fine.
Few extra psi in the tyres and they're sorted. I run them on my turbo'd 2 and they never let me down
Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on March 29, 2018, 20:50
Thanks for your rapid advice, which confirms my fears about going cheap. There's quite a lot of support for Toyo TIRs, but some folks report them being very weight sensitive, such that they chose to remove their hard top. What do you think about this aspect?
Absolutely correct. Remove the hatdtop. Regardless of tyres.
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Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on March 29, 2018, 20:50
Thanks for your rapid advice, which confirms my fears about going cheap. There's quite a lot of support for Toyo TIRs, but some folks report them being very weight sensitive, such that they chose to remove their hard top. What do you think about this aspect?
Absolutely correct. Remove the hatdtop. Regardless of tyres.
Hardtops are responsible for 99.9% of MR2 accidents
You'll be fine with the cheapo ditchfinders just ditch the hardtop.
A good tyre transforms a mr2 the difference between a t1r and a r888 is 4 seconds over a 50 second lap.
Quote from: tomaky on March 29, 2018, 22:05
A good tyre transforms a mr2 the difference between a t1r and a r888 is 4 seconds over a 50 second lap.
Notwithstanding the drivers imput, 4 seconds to the typical car driver travelling on the local roads is possibily irrelevant sir?
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Quote from: Ardent on March 29, 2018, 21:48
Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on March 29, 2018, 20:50
Thanks for your rapid advice, which confirms my fears about going cheap. There's quite a lot of support for Toyo TIRs, but some folks report them being very weight sensitive, such that they chose to remove their hard top. What do you think about this aspect?
Absolutely correct. Remove the hatdtop. Regardless of tyres.
Hardtops are responsible for 99.9% of MR2 accidents
You'll be fine with the cheapo ditchfinders just ditch the hardtop.
Apologies for hijacking, but can you please explain why the hardtops are responsible for accidents?
Reduced visibility.
And a certain amount of tongue in cheek in club banter. :D
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Quote from: tomaky on March 29, 2018, 22:05
A good tyre transforms a mr2 the difference between a t1r and a r888 is 4 seconds over a 50 second lap.
Notwithstanding the drivers imput, 4 seconds to the typical car driver travelling on the local roads is possibily irrelevant sir?
Not at all! That proves the difference between a quality tyre. That was the same day 2 sets of wheels. It proves a massive gain in grip which also translates to on road handling.
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Quote from: 1979scotte on March 29, 2018, 21:54
Quote from: Ardent on March 29, 2018, 21:48
Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on March 29, 2018, 20:50
Thanks for your rapid advice, which confirms my fears about going cheap. There's quite a lot of support for Toyo TIRs, but some folks report them being very weight sensitive, such that they chose to remove their hard top. What do you think about this aspect?
Absolutely correct. Remove the hatdtop. Regardless of tyres.
Hardtops are responsible for 99.9% of MR2 accidents
You'll be fine with the cheapo ditchfinders just ditch the hardtop.
Apologies for hijacking, but can you please explain why the hardtops are responsible for accidents?
Because if ardent or scotte see you with one on they hunt you down and purposely rear shunt you as a warning.......
Quote from: LydonB on March 30, 2018, 14:04
Quote from: 1979scotte on March 29, 2018, 21:54
Quote from: Ardent on March 29, 2018, 21:48
Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on March 29, 2018, 20:50
Thanks for your rapid advice, which confirms my fears about going cheap. There's quite a lot of support for Toyo TIRs, but some folks report them being very weight sensitive, such that they chose to remove their hard top. What do you think about this aspect?
Absolutely correct. Remove the hatdtop. Regardless of tyres.
Hardtops are responsible for 99.9% of MR2 accidents
You'll be fine with the cheapo ditchfinders just ditch the hardtop.
Apologies for hijacking, but can you please explain why the hardtops are responsible for accidents?
Don't worry Lyndonb, they are refering to the hardops on the MK2's. It won't affect you!
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Quote from: LydonB on March 30, 2018, 14:04
Quote from: 1979scotte on March 29, 2018, 21:54
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Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on March 29, 2018, 20:50
Thanks for your rapid advice, which confirms my fears about going cheap. There's quite a lot of support for Toyo TIRs, but some folks report them being very weight sensitive, such that they chose to remove their hard top. What do you think about this aspect?
Absolutely correct. Remove the hatdtop. Regardless of tyres.
Hardtops are responsible for 99.9% of MR2 accidents
You'll be fine with the cheapo ditchfinders just ditch the hardtop.
Apologies for hijacking, but can you please explain why the hardtops are responsible for accidents?
Don't worry Lyndonb, they are refering to the hardops on the MK2's. It won't affect you!
You are dead to me x2
Decided to go for ToyoT1Rs, as recommended. Ain't got a hard-top. so please don't "shoot me down like a dog" (apols to Django and Christoph Waltz!
Me again. Re advice given - spoken with Camskills and they report that Toyo proxes T1R tyres were discontinued years ago, the same for the Bridgstone Potenzas. They suggest the Uniroyal (made by Continental) Rain Sport 3 tyres (A rated in the wet, against E for the T1Rs - technology has moved on. they say). Anyone got any experience with a roadster on Uniroyal Rain Sport 3's?
Rainsport are an excellent tyre.
Wouldn't worry to much about the ratings they give with tyres.
AD08R have more grip than anything else I have tried and don't rate to well.
How about some Falken ZE 914 quite a few members have tried them. Good for the money.
Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on April 6, 2018, 11:37
Me again. Re advice given - spoken with Camskills and they report that Toyo proxes T1R tyres were discontinued years ago, the same for the Bridgstone Potenzas. They suggest the Uniroyal (made by Continental) Rain Sport 3 tyres (A rated in the wet, against E for the T1Rs - technology has moved on. they say). Anyone got any experience with a roadster on Uniroyal Rain Sport 3's?
Did you ask whether Camskills who have probably sold thousands of T1r tyres are now out of stock and selling something else on which they get a better margin?
Did you check if you like the Toyo R1R s? Have them on one of mine and they have some serious grip on dry.
Quite good on wet roads as well, car comes back quickly after it sways on the rear. I once lost the rear on some diesel and control also came back in an acceptable time.
Quote from: LydonB on April 6, 2018, 12:45
Did you check if you like the Toyo R1R s? Have them on one of mine and they have some serious grip on dry.
Quite good on wet roads as well, car comes back quickly after it sways on the rear. I once lost the rear on some diesel and control also came back in an acceptable time.
Ahh, the old "lost it on some Diesel" chestnut...[emoji23]
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Quote from: MR TWO on April 6, 2018, 12:34
Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on April 6, 2018, 11:37
Me again. Re advice given - spoken with Camskills and they report that Toyo proxes T1R tyres were discontinued years ago, the same for the Bridgstone Potenzas. They suggest the Uniroyal (made by Continental) Rain Sport 3 tyres (A rated in the wet, against E for the T1Rs - technology has moved on. they say). Anyone got any experience with a roadster on Uniroyal Rain Sport 3's?
Did you ask whether Camskills who have probably sold thousands of T1r tyres are now out of stock and selling something else on which they get a better margin?
Toyo still list them on their website but some dealers claim they have been replaced with the T 1 Sport (I think) if it's true it would explain why Demon Twerks are in a rush to get rid.
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Not had Rainsports on the 2, Didnt do in the correct size for me when I was looking. But are my go to tyre for my daily. Love love Love.
Did have some Falkens. Very pleased with those as well.
Both good, but not as good as the AD08r, but, they are more pocket friendly.
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Quote from: MR TWO on April 6, 2018, 12:34
Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on April 6, 2018, 11:37
Me again. Re advice given - spoken with Camskills and they report that Toyo proxes T1R tyres were discontinued years ago, the same for the Bridgstone Potenzas. They suggest the Uniroyal (made by Continental) Rain Sport 3 tyres (A rated in the wet, against E for the T1Rs - technology has moved on. they say). Anyone got any experience with a roadster on Uniroyal Rain Sport 3's?
Did you ask whether Camskills who have probably sold thousands of T1r tyres are now out of stock and selling something else on which they get a better margin?
Toyo still list them on their website but some dealers claim they have been replaced with the T 1 Sport (I think) if it's true it would explain why Demon Twerks are in a rush to get rid.
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I thought Toyo Sport were only availabl;e in 17 rim size?
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on April 6, 2018, 13:05
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Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on April 6, 2018, 11:37
Me again. Re advice given - spoken with Camskills and they report that Toyo proxes T1R tyres were discontinued years ago, the same for the Bridgstone Potenzas. They suggest the Uniroyal (made by Continental) Rain Sport 3 tyres (A rated in the wet, against E for the T1Rs - technology has moved on. they say). Anyone got any experience with a roadster on Uniroyal Rain Sport 3's?
Did you ask whether Camskills who have probably sold thousands of T1r tyres are now out of stock and selling something else on which they get a better margin?
Toyo still list them on their website but some dealers claim they have been replaced with the T 1 Sport (I think) if it's true it would explain why Demon Twerks are in a rush to get rid.
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I thought Toyo Sport were only availabl;e in 17 rim size?
You're probably right, I never actually followed it through it's just what some suppliers were listing as the replacement in general terms.
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Yoko AD08R's are great... seem to be the best tyre that was avilaable in the same pattern for front and rear... I had some initial concerns about the sidewalls flex, but tried them (for one run) at 30PSI (4PSI over recommended) and the "sidewall" issue is clearly just my 60k mile stock suspension getting a little tired... this is next on the list, when funds permit!
Yeah you won't find nay flex in the AD08R sidewalls. They're fortified with metal. They're stiff as can be.
Sure you're not thinking Toyo T1-R
Quote from: BahnStormer on April 8, 2018, 20:46
Yoko AD08R's are great... seem to be the best tyre that was avilaable in the same pattern for front and rear... I had some initial concerns about the sidewalls flex, but tried them (for one run) at 30PSI (4PSI over recommended) and the "sidewall" issue is clearly just my 60k mile stock suspension getting a little tired... this is next on the list, when funds permit!
AD08R have sidewalls hewn from granite so it's your suspension for sure.
Quote from: 1979scotte on April 8, 2018, 20:50
AD08R have sidewalls hewn from granite so it's your suspension for sure.
Yeah - original tyres were very old and ropey, so never leaned on them at all... once I had the Yoko's on there, I started to do that - had one bad "wobble" straight after they were installed (valve on the front right leaked from 26PSI to <20PSI and it was a long, hard left corner) and even though I pulled over and confirmed it immediately - got it fixed within 24h, it took months before I was properly confident in them again.
There's still a sponginess to the ride that is now 99% due to tired suspension, but that'll need ~£800 and a friend around the corner to clear his drive for the day (?) - neither of us has done MR2 (or any Toyota!) suspension before, so hopefully we'll do it all in a few hours!!
Don't negate your bushes. They can go pretty iffy and have a lot to do with spongy feel
Quote from: BahnStormer on April 8, 2018, 20:46
I had some initial concerns about the sidewalls flex, but tried them (for one run) at 30PSI (4PSI over recommended)
As in lack of?
I trust you now have the correct pressure in front and rear. 26F 32R
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Quote from: BahnStormer on April 8, 2018, 20:46
I had some initial concerns about the sidewalls flex, but tried them (for one run) at 30PSI (4PSI over recommended)
As in lack of?
I trust you now have the correct pressure in front and rear. 26F 32R
No, too much flex. I don't think there is any more, but after the initial valve problems (front right deflation) and obvious corner "wobbling", so I was looking at tyre pressures initially. Problem is I don't know what to expect as I never drove the car hard when it was on bad tyres and now that it is on good tyres, I've started to notice the sponginess. It may just be that the Audi insulates you COMPLETELY from what's happening on the raod and it's been 15 years since I've owned a car that gives you decent steering feedback (BMW E30)....
I have the pressures back down some of the way: 28PSI front (stock+2PSI) and backs have always been 32 PSI rear (stock).
Still feels spongey in the corners, not sure if that is purely paranoia or also tired suspension. I'm betting on an equal measure of each.
March was an expensive month with the '2 - >£1000 in MOT+fixes + new hood.... mostly the latter!! As soon as I have that sort of money to spend on the car again, it's going on MeisterR's and I'll polybush (only the suspension components!) when that's going in.
It'll be suspension. Those tyres and painfully solid at times :)
Quote from: shnazzle on April 9, 2018, 13:56
It'll be suspension. Those tyres and painfully solid at times :)
Yeah - pretty sure you're spot on with that. I'll let somebody take it for a ride at one of the meets and give me some feedback... problem is once the suspension is firmer, I'll be wanting the chassis tightened up too... it's a slippery slope that I've been down before in previous cars.... plus I'll probably be running 25-26PSI and complaining about the sidewall stiffness after that :)
slightly tongue in cheek
I was thinking the same as shanz, that somehow you were thinking of the T1Rs.
OK, so I've got Uniroyal Rain Sport 3 tyres all round about to be fitted. Any info/experience about suitable tyre pressures for road use. Thanks.
Quote from: uncletravellingmatt on April 11, 2018, 10:11
OK, so I've got Uniroyal Rain Sport 3 tyres all round about to be fitted. Any info/experience about suitable tyre pressures for road use. Thanks.
Start with stock pressure 26 front 32 rear and go from there.
Assuming you've got stock or close to stock sizes.
Toyo T1 Sport don't go below 17" and the smallest for the fronts would be 205/50ZR17, so massively over-tyred.... unless you like rolled arches and an undrivable car....
https://www.toyotires.com/tire/pattern/proxes-t1-sport-ultra-high-peformance-summer-tires
Real shame they don't do T1-S's any more - they had those for 16" rims and about 195 width, if not 185's (and smaller rims).... but I think they stopped those about 10years ago - it was like a T1-R, but where the V patterns went all the way to the side.... they didn't hold their line quite as well as the T1-R's, but there was a lot more feel and when they started to let go, they were very progressive.... very good fun indeed!